Nothing will happen. I highly doubt G2A is paying taxes so it is pretty much free funds for them. Moved away from G2A a while ago and i'm using Kinguin instead since they are less fucky it seems.
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As I recall, it's the dysentery you have to be worried about most.
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Live and learn
Well, probably not for too much longer. Bandits or river fording'll probably get us, if the dysentery doesn't
Well, that or the zombies.
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What do you expect from people that doesn't have much money?
If they can still get the games while paying less, because they can't afford the prices, it's still better than pirating them.
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It's like you haven't at all been following all the developers complaining against G2A, or the reasons why [namely, that due to fraudulent payments and subsequent chargebacks, they actually lose money by grey market selling being encouraged- and even those developers not concerned with losing profits still prefer pirating over supporting G2A, with their manipulative and exploitative (and not to mention developer-damaging) conduct]. Meanwhile, G2A portrays themselves as the professionals and the victims, while shifting all blame to the developers, even though G2A is the one flaunting legalities and promoting the issues, and making illicit profit while the developers often take losses.
Clearly, G2A isn't considered better by the developers [who are at all concerned with the matter] either in terms of profiting or ethics, and as the developer perspective is pretty core to the matter, I'm not sure what basis you have for saying G2A is better [for developers]. :P
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So as long as you and the devs are happy who the fuck cares about avoiding taxes, amirite guy?
When the alternative is not being a fucking child and living without a game for a couple more weeks till you can afford it then no, dealing with shady wankers like G2A isn't better. At all. Even slightly.
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many people, including some devs, prefer piracy over g2a & co.
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most likely they will notice you not being where you claim to be, and then ask for physical proof before you get the item
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What sort of "physical proof" would I have to provide?
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On Kinguin I had to provide them with some kind of receipt with a recent date from a local store. And that even was for "buying" a $2 game with a $2 coupon, so I had to proof them where in the world I was in a very idiotic way for paying a $0.00 bill...
G2A will likely handle things in the same way.Could be though that they only do this for a few transactions at random, like as an spot-check procedure.
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The physical proof on G2A is a screenshot of a random key seller site. That is it. Sometimes they act like as if they actually care, but most of the time you snap a pic of an IndieGala account page with the same email on it as the one you registered at G2A with, and everything is fine and dandy.
Also, they don't even require any kind of proof for the first 10 or 15 keys you post.
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That sounds like a proof for a seller, that you actually do own a key you sell. In my case I never sold something, just signed up to buy.
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If you buy there, your proof is the paid Shield service, which is actually something that makes them answer your tickets slightly faster: they still can say a nice "fuck off" if you try to refund more than three games, even if they really were fake keys. But for the first few times they pay money back without question, regardless of the price.
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Don't worry about what G2A will do, when inland revenue finds out, then you're fucked. Tax fraud is a big deal.
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I never bought from them but have read so many negative reviews of the service. Mostly people getting their stuff removed due to chargebacks from stolen credit cards.
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no. there are shady sellers on the page...
g2a is like ebay. there are shady people on ebay so ebay is shady?
like at every place in the www: just use brain.exe
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eBay doesn't exactly hide behind oversea shell companies to avoid EU and US commercial laws, so not exactly a great analogy. eBay also never used a pyramid scheme or spambot networks for advertisement. Some people may have forgotten that Twitch originally had to implement spambot protection and verified email requirements in their chat because G2A spambots were posting up to 100 messages/minute in chats, but I didn't.
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g2a bots or people that try to make money with ref links?
Same happend back in the days with amazon ref links...
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G2A ref links didn't exist back then, they implemented it months later, when they offered partnership not just to the largest YT streamers but any volunteer. They were spambots, ran by a spambot network, who were later hired to advertise porn sites, also on Twitch and a few similar sites, before after like a year Twitch shut it down completely.
(Only to open them up for about 3 months near the 2015 TwitchCon, which was coincidentally mostly sponsored by G2A. The spambots were posting URL shorteners, where it led to non-ref links but random G2A games that were advertised "on sale" on their main page. But that was another story.)
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Ebay isn't G2A..so before attack him use your brain.exe
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G2A is the source of the "we're like ebay" claim, but it's not actually true. Ebay, as is expected of any professional company, follows a lot of consumer protections that G2A flaunts, avoids, or charges extra for. Ebay's handling of things is very different from G2A.
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it is today. 15 years ago ebay was "shady" like g2a today.
Again: only had one problem, didn't had the shild bullsh*t and the problem got fixed soon.
If you bought something on ebay ~20-15years ago it was more like gambling
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You yourself said, "15 years ago". It is not now so your comparison is off.
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G2A sell on their own website under the name G2Play, G2Play have had tons of keys revoked.
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Yes i use my brain.exe and it tells me not to buy at a place where prices seem too good to be true, g2a as a whole is a terrible place, where you are just waiting to be scammed and nothing you can do about it besides avoiding that place altogether.
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Nothing, click some country out of EU (0% VAT) and go for your game. Just enter any random address from choosed country... google is full of this :)
Jesus i love pipolz with "shady avoid them" so all markets are shady if users can sell things? Ebay, amazon, allegro, also steamgifts (trades sure). reddit, barter and all other sites? Key can be shady, and? If key is good, not stolen sure and will stay on our accs forever where is problem? Sure soem keys can be stolen, also idiots are here who using refund on paypal after they buy game to get it for free, but most of sellers are normal pipolz who want sell games for profit, most of games are bundled things or some high discounts. And all still bother with stolen keys, sure they are here, but not a lot of them. Mooost pipolz are normal sellers like on other sites or here traders. But G2A itself is shit, extreme high fees, pointless expensive things like shield, their support is tarded. Bad site but good to sell some games (if we ignore stupid high fees and other payments), most stupid payment by me is "booster" :D
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SteamGifts trades, barter, and reddit don't force you to pay a hefty amount of your received money to them for the sake of hosting you as a seller, therefore they are not considered to be a business, which should follow some rules and regulations in the countries it does its business in. G2A manages to avoid said laws and regulations by being registered outside their jurisdiction and kinda forgot to register a business in the US. The only reason it even has an EU address is because despite being a "Hong Kong" company under a Singapore company, it is actually run by Polish and they have their helpdesk in Poland.
So, no, not the same by a very long shot.
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Am not native so idk if i understand well and correctly to what u said. Well i dont care about their law things, their problem. I mean sellers, bcs peoples explain it as its shady bcs stolen codes. This guy (creator) want buy some game, for him is important what he get, not their (g2a) register business things. It would be shady but if they provide normal legit key i have no prob.
Yes ^^these sites u said dosnt need from you fees etc, but still its game selling (lets say here H games W PP) i talking about part of users and keys, not G2A and their shits itself about law
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Let me simplify it to you: normally, if you buy something from a company in another country and they royally fuck you up, you can go to court to get your money back. You cannot do that with G2A since they actually couldn't even sell anything to anyone outside China.
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That's actually incorrect, as I understand it. Trying to get money back from an online company not based in your state is typically not feasible, while suing internationally is typically effectively impossible, especially if the country the company is in doesn't allow suits from non-citizens.
At least, that's what I learned after IndieGala stole that $35 from me. -.-
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We are both living in the EU. Here the customers cannot be cheated that easily, or more precisely, we have more legal tools to defend ourselves. If a company is registered to do business in the EU, no matter which member country they settled in (although it is mostly Luxemburg, Ireland, and UK), they can be dragged to court by any citizen.
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Well, yes. If you and the company are in the EU, you're fine. And with EU going after a US company, you may be able to get support, as well.
But, at least for US going after EU, there's no protections.
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There could be, but the United States really seem to be raving mad now about the prospects of TTIP.
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There are scammers on steamgifts: shady site, avoid it!
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Except, G2A and Kinguin are known for being full of scammers and credit card info stealers, black market people, etc. I'd believe a very popular and cool streamer, who's sponsored them until he found out what they were up to, over any other person, anyday.
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sorry that i'm not a cool and very popular streamer but you can just start to sell games by your own on g2a. nothing shady about this.
again: brain.exe and you will be save. on ebay are a loooot of "black market" people, people that try to steal your money and all that but still most people that claim g2a to be shady will not say ebay is shady.
I just can say: I bought ~40 games on g2a and kinguin. only had one problem (because i got a "secret game" that i already own) and they fixed it in hours... I had more problems on amazon, ebay and even on steamgifts and most of the times, the problems where not solved that fast
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though i mostly agree, but brains doesnt mean shit against someone who decides 30days later they are a little broker then they would like to be and decide to go for the easy chargeback route... the most intelligent person in the entire world can still have a chargeback occur.. not saying this makes g2a shady though, the exact same scenario can and does happen on ebay as well though, thats where i 100% agree, but your "brains.exe" is not gonna help stop a scammer from being a scammer.
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This brain.exe is more like: WOW, the new AAA-Game for just 5€. BEST DEAL EVER!
For g2a: don't buy biggest games but games that where bundled before, that have nvidia/amd/msi etc. promos. things like that.
If a new game, that was never on sale, has only on g2a a price that is more than 10% less than original I would say "no"
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oh well yeah, i agree. but at the same time there are sellers who buy games legitly and sell at a reasonable fair price even you would think is fair.. it all works out fine and dandy for a full 45days, you've even beat the game and moved on, but then suddenly a chargeback occurs because they decided they needed the money back... its just to simple of a company to take advantage of and there isn't anything really stopping scammers from doing that.. they get another paypal account and start a new account over to repeat the process.
imo its just safer to avoid people sales and people trades and go thru a official source of some type. i mean yeah, if you don't mind losing a $1 to $3 on some bundled game, then sure take the risk. its not a severe loss on your side either. but for AAA i would just avoid entirely. and yes, i feel the same way about ebay.. i do not buy from ebay nor recommend it either. but in neither case do i consider the site shady, only a significant amount of its users.
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Well, said streamer was actually involved in some of the inside stuff about G2A and wasn't allowed to say anything because he was bound by contract. He released what he knew, after the contract ended. In other words, I'm pretty sure Cryaotic would know more about what actually goes on than you. G2A and Kinguin are bad sites to use and even can affect developers like the thing with tinyBuild. http://www.pcgamer.com/tinybuild-claims-g2a-sold-450000-worth-of-its-keys-without-paying-a-penny/ Shit sites, either way.
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I will not say, that sites like g2a, kinguin and others don't have bad affect on developers.
The question (even in this TinyBuild stuff) is:
- is G2A selling the keys?
- where are the keys from?
- and why does a leak like this happen to tinybuild over and over again?
But I'll stop. to much blacklists for a simple topic that where talked about over and over again on different boards.
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I don't really care about Blacklists. Haters gonna hate or whatever :')
I understand where you're coming from, but I avoid it altogether, just in case and since a lot of professionals are saying to avoid it too, I listen to them.
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As long as you only buy from the people with 10k+ positive rep you are fine. The problem is when you buy from someone with less than 10 rep...
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What has Kinguin and G2A being shady have to do with scammers? Do you understand why they are referred to as grey market? Because they operate in a grey area between law and morality. Even if there wasn't any scammers on G2A or Kinguin they'd still be shady because their business model is morally wrong.
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Supporting frauders and avoiding VAT - don't buy it if you can't afford it. Otherwise you are just hurting developers and the community.
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Bro, average wage in germany is like 4-5 times higher than in croatia. Developers do not care, they set same prices for both. So why should I care about developers again?
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why should I care about developers again?
if you don't like the gaming then you shouldn't. but if you like gaming then supporting the developers is how games are produced. luckily not everyone shares your mindset or there would be very few games developed. i don't see how it is the developers fault wages are lower in one area then another. if you feel the price is too high for a product, simply don't buy it. no reason to support people rather then the developer.
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there's a Search function on the site: same Q, 2 days ago
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i cringe everytime i see this.... no clue on question sorry.... all i can really say is GL keeping what you buy.... =)
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!? You register here on SG and 4 minutes after you open a public thread to ask if it is easy to fraud VAT on a given web store ?
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you beat me to it - I mean, is this really what you want to start your life on SG off with :P
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Didn't want to get banned on my main in case admins got salty I opened a thread about tax evasion
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Rolfdor: Didn't want to get banned on my main in case admins got salty I opened a thread about tax evasion
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Guidelines: Users are limited to one account per personz
Suspension: Using Multiple Accounts- Permanent
LOL
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I really suggest contacting the moderators fast and ask to kindly delete this profile or promise to never open the site with it, unless you want to be modified out of SteamGifts on both accounts permanently.
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I know, it just seemed like you thought the joke was real since nothing pointed to you being joking.
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"unless you want to be modified out of SteamGifts on both accounts permanently." Would such moderating me out be a IP ban of some sort?
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Nothing. If they would be actually paying taxes, they would use the information they already determined from your IP and payment address to include VAT accordingly. Even if you pay the taxes, they just kindly thank you and pocket the money. So there is zero reason to say anything than 0% unless you really want to donate some additional money to a pair of Polish tax evaders. :)
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Not a damn thing, it's not their responsibility to do something.
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why would you buy such an expensive thing from the grey market?
If it's something very very cheap, below any typical sales value, and you're willing to take the risk, then whatever, but I bet that's not the case
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Pick EU business VAT, no way anyone will check upon that either way.
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I stopped using G2A. indie devs are begging you pirate their game instead of buying their game from g2a.
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i'm not buying indie games tho I'm trying to buy AAA games such as the new battlefield and what not for multiplayer so pirating isn't really a option..
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And pray tell, how do you think a single individual seller—not associated with any publisher or seller officially—can offer that Battlefield for a lower price than any market on the globe ever did?
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Buying stuff on g2a eh. Ppl still do that?
Like people and devs get scammed once every 30seconds there yet there are still ppl using and defending that shit...
Boggles my mind tbh
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Yes I agree they are pretty shady and when I'm buying indie games I would rather just buy from steam and pay and extra pound or two but I'm buying games such as the new battlefield and i think we can all agree EA has plenty of money .
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i look forward to your next topic ^^
"my battlefield game was revoked from payment issues"
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I pre-ordered Overwatch Origins Edition on G2A and i'm still playing it.
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gratz, but is that instantly supposed to mean everyone will be that lucky?
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the higher the $ or £ or whatever is, the higher the risk, so yeah very imo. but yes it can work out, it may even be a majority of the time it works out. but its still an awfully large risk on a AAA game especially. imo if i were to ever risk money it would only be on a $1 - $3 indie game instead, though i personally see no need to do that either. but i can understand people risking a few dollars here and there on a game. hell its better odds then opening csgo cases hoping for a knife or literally gambling money anyways. but people can and will do what they want with their money, i just suggest people pay a few extra dollars rather then take the risk to lose a lot of money.
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I have bought around 10 games from g2a without VAT while living in EU, you're fine.
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I want to buy games on G2A but can't afford them if I have to pay 30£ for the 20% VAT, What would happen if I said I was from outside EU and avoided VAT.
Note: I will be using credit card so I have to enter my address...
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