More mods for every language?
This is an English website, not an international one in terms of language. Therefore, a good proficiency in the English language is to be expected. If you are incapable of speaking the easiest language in the world, however, you may most definitely refrain from using this website.
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English is hardly considered the easiest language in the world. It's a strange amalgamation of two different language families, which results in quite a few oddities, making it relatively hard to learn for someone who's not exposed to it from an early age to learn. How hard obviously depends on your own language, going from a Slavic language to English is harder than going from a Germanic language.
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That wasn't an opinion but rather a fact. There is no easier language than English, regardless of your mother tongue.
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I would really like a source on that fact.
Oh, and here's an article from the Oxford royale academy explaining why English is a hard language to learn.
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How is a source necessary? I'm somewhat confused right now. I thought that everyone was aware of that fact.
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Are you serious here?
Yes, a source is necessary. Just because "everyone knows" something does not mean it's right, and if you make a statement you need to be able to back it up, otherwise you're just sharing an opinion. I backed up my statement with a source, which also explains why English is not an altogether easy language to learn.
Second of all, "everyone" is obviously not "aware" of this fact, as seen by the fact that me and doctorofjournalism disagreed with you.
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You can google for your beloved sources if you feel like it. I'll most definitely not waste my time doing so since you seem to be unconvincible.
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I would be convinced if you would actually supply a proper source from any form of reputable source. I.e. like a language institution or a university or anything like that (so not a personal blog or something along those lines). I backed up my argument, you just came with an opinion that 3 people thus far have disagreed with.
Also, to demonstrate why the statement that English is the easiest language to learn no matter your native language, take a look at this chart, made by the commercial site +babbel (so not a super reputable source, but still, it's a site focused on language learning), which is meant to demonstrate how much you get "for free" if you learn a similar language. Take a look at the Scandinavian languages in particular, learn one and you get the two others almost for free.
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Adding to that, we have the work by Bruno Flochon in 2000*, which estimated the time needed for a French speaking High school student to become fluent in another language, and listed Italian at 1000 hours for an average student, while English requiring about 1500 hours, which would indicate that learning Italian, for someone fluent in French, would be easier than learning English (and German was estimated at 2000 hours).
*Flochon, Bruno, 2000, « L'espéranto », in Gauthier, Guy (ed.) Langues: une guerre à mort, Panoramiques. 4e trim. 48: 89–95
This is a source that thus directly contradicts your statement that English is the easiest language to learn, no matter what your native language is.
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A) P=NP!
B) Got any reliable source for that?
A) I'm confused, I said P=NP. Why are you so unconvincible.
t0b3berlin in a nutshell.
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first things first: I totally agree with the statement that english ain't the easiest language to learn.
BUT what you stated @Fnord should be watched to a certain extent since french and italian are both romanic languages which makes it easier for each other to learn.
I - personally - think that there is NO language which could be called "the easiest to learn" since it always depends on the person and the mother tongue.
And you already provided scources to underline your statement, which @t0b3berlin still owes us..
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That was my point though, Italian is easier to learn for a French speaking person than English, because they are more closely related. That's why I was careful with specifying that it was a French to "other languages" comparison. For me as a Swede, that list would probably be reversed, with German being the easiest and Italian being the hardest, as I get a lot of things for free with German, enough so that German is not entirely incomprehensible for me as is.
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I think english is a language you can easier learn to a degree that others understand you than many other languages. But it's quite difficult to master it as it has so many irregularities.
The easiest one would be something like esperanto because the grammar is learnable in a few hours and you just have to learn the base versions of the words.
But don't waste your time on discussions where the other one doesn't want to even think about your statements 😉
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I'm trying to get him to give me a source that backs up his statement. I've now provided several that backs up mine. But yeah, you're probably right, he does not seem to have any real interest in backing up his statement or consider that it might not be correct.
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He's from Germany like me and I can tell you a large proportion of Germans can only speak very poorly or no English at all especially if it is the spoken part of it.
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There seems to be a lot of regional differences in how well people from Germany are able to speak English. Just based on my own observations, and well only that really (so not exactly the greatest source), people from further to the west tend to be better at English (that would make sense, considering Germany's history, and the economic differences). And like in most countries, people living near major cities tend to be better at English than those living in more rural areas.
Also, I really should have been wise enough to not try and argue with him. This is not the first time this has happened, or seen it happening to others :P
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Well - at least this duscussion earned you a blue heart.
I really enjoyed your more scientific approach (e.g. proper citing) and that you actually tried to have a decent, fact-based discussion on the interwebs. chapeau!
We need more of this :D
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I don't know from which part of germany you are but in Baden-Würrtemberg the most of the people, under 50 years, write english in a understandable level.
Speaking is a different thing because english would be teached, mostly, not from native english speakers and not used much in the daily life (why i should speak english with, mostly, German people in Germany ? ... so i use it with other people that don't speak german.. -a part have much contact to such people are part have no or not much contact...-).
All in all the english speaking is, in germany, more worse then the writing.
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Oh I'm from NRW so I don't think I have to say anythig about our "education" here 😉
But yes what I'm talking about is mainly the speaking and understanding skills. Of course Germans don't have reason to talk English to other Germans but so don't have Dutchs, Swedes and others.
Maybe I just expect to much of myself and therefore of others too 😅
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We have the "disadvantage" that many movies are dubbed whereas subtitles are much more present in other countries (as far as I know).
IMHO one should be very careful on the 'populations' compared. If you take anyone who reads or listens to English on a regular basis (books, TV-shows, games, professional) that person will have much less problems to make themself understood by others, than a person who learned Englisch in school (BW or NRW ;) but never used it outside school.
That gap exists for all ages. I know young people, who finished school with good grades in English, not willing to watch an English movie in their early 20s. I now people above 50, who worked with English speaking people 20 years ago and still are willing to give a movie set to English dub a shot, even if they sometimes changed the language to German or English with subs after a couple of minutes.
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He can not AND want not proof anything....
Wasted time to "discuss" with such one's. They only want hear THERE words and "(alternative) facts"
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Are you serious? Modern English is very confusing.
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Well be my guest and name 3 languages which are harder than English.
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I don’t understand why you’re asking that. English is a difficult language, whether you want to believe it or not. Many native speakers still have difficulties navigating it.
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Many natives speakers are from the US. I guess I needn't say more at this point.
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Oh yeah, because Americans are idiots! Hahahahahaha, good one!
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Jeesh, you're really working against your argument here...
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Differences between Facts and Opinions
That being said, I'd like you to know that wherever you're from, you've managed to make me facepalm from miles away...
P.S. Get off your high horse and stop pigeonholing people based on where they're from. Certainly, most people are more
educated and broad minded than you, no matter where they're from. I think everyone is aware of that fact.
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Personally, I'd say this:
All languages are difficult. But, compared to many other languages, English is one of the easier languages unless you speak languages like Russian, Korean, Japanese, Chinese and so on. These languages all rely on a different alphabet and even a completely different structure of writing. But take any European country and it becomes blatantly obvious that English is an easy language to learn in the grand scheme of things. We're not talking about C2 level proficiency (native speaker). A person would need around B1, which is just a step above the beginner level.
I speak Estonian as my native language. English for us and the Finns is considered to be pretty difficult compared to any other European language. The reason is that literally everything except the alphabet is different. Pronunciation, tenses, pronouns, descriptive language and so on.
English is being pushed in all European countries from a very young age. Most TV programs are in English and they tend to be presented with subtitles instead of having dubs (though countries like Latvia and Lithuania tend to dub over a lot of content), the Internet is mostly in English and Russian with English taking the majority of the mainstream media on the internet.
So, sure, it's difficult still, no doubt about it. But the easiness of the language comes from not just the language itself but its dominance in the modern world. It's hard to go anywhere without being in touch with English to an extent.
Brand names? In English.
Advertisements? Translated to an extent but the original names and sometimes even their slogans are in English.
Phones? In English. People in most cases don't have access to their native language there or if they do, it sounds very unnatural because some terms like "attributes" for example are known better in English.
So, again, the language is difficult. The difficulty lowers naturally because of the world we live in and the global nature of it all.
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Why do you want him to name 3 languages which are harder than english, if you want to argument that it's the "easiest" language to learn?
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Any variety of Chinese.
Japanese.
Arabic in its variations.
Russian, or anything that has "case".
Don't you want to know "easier" though, not "harder"?
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Lol, what? If your mother tongue is Italian, Spanish is the easiest to learn and vice versa.
I'm not sure of other languages and the difficulties and similarities between others, but English is difficult because it is a bastardization of two different languages and completely inconsistent in it's rules.
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LOL... what a B...shi*....
It's a fact because you say it ? You not have proven it with anything.
I, as example, never heared from that "fact"....
Maybe think over a Namechange to anything with Trump....
I say only "alternative facts" :-D
Ich hab kein Problem damit wenn man unterschiedlicher Meinung ist und sogar unterschiedliche Quellenaussagen gegnüber stellt.
Ich habe jedoch ein Problem damit wenn man Behauptungen aufstellt, diese als Tatsache hinstellt aber keinerlei Belege dafür bringen kann UND nicht mal willens ist dann wirklich zu diskutieren wenn andere ein Gespräch dazu beginnen.
Wenn man einfach nur die eigene Meinung als ultimative Wahrheit ansieht dann sollte man Selbstgespräche führen, dann widerspricht auch niemand.
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To some, it's hard, yourself for example; I take it..
But when looking at most other languages it's on the easy end.
Mandarin, Russian, Finnish, Hungarian, Polish, etc. are all much much harder, so relatively speaking it's considerably easy to gain a good deal of mastery in, even when there a lot of little rules which add complexity, but people can disregard and still communicate well enough.
Sure, there are languages that have been designed to be simpler or are easier based on pre-existing knowledge, but that doesn't preclude English from bring pretty simple in comparison to languages which are hard to learn.
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That it give harder languages not say that english is the easiest language for ALL people :o) ... that was the (main)point that can't be true and are not proven from him in any way (only with his "thats fact" sentence).
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proven was the right word :o)
(but i am sure you understood it anyway -when i am sleepy my translation quality drops rapidly :o)-)
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Yeah, I understood it, but I figured you'd appreciate any help.
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I kind of agree with him. Most foreign words in most languages originated from English, so you've got that down immediately.
Most media on the Internet is in English. (Russia has a huge portion as well, but it's nothing compared to English.)
Most media overall is in English. (Movies, books, comics, TV)
Most schools in the world try and teach English as the first foreign language. (in Europe, Africa, Asia to an extent)
A lot of terms have two words for them. One in British English, one in American English (film (tends to be the same in almost any language) vs. movie).
Sure, on the surface it might seem that English is more difficult, but take all these things into account and you have a language that can be easier to learn than your own native language. That's no joke either, I know too many people that are struggling with commas and grammar in Estonian but they almost excel in English.
English is everywhere in the western world. Other languages... not so much.
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I'd say that makes it more accessible to learn rather than easier to learn. Although, I have to say I also kind of agree but to be a bit more specific. I'd say it is on the easier spectrum in terms of learning basics/enough in order to communicate; although maybe by some a bit broken English.
With all that said, I don't agree with him acting like his word is law and the seemingly rude tone in his message.
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I would say the base of english is pretty easy.
A problem we have in our language is SO many words that mean the same thing. Like Great = very good. Better = very..very good? Best = ok we got it it's gooder than good god damn.
Eloquent. What? Elephant?
Oh you mean speak good.
Well*
What?
You speak well, not good.
Fuck off english.
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Well, if you think that "good" is an adjective and "well" is an adverb, then it simplifies things a little. :)
I think what makes English a little bit simpler than the other mentioned languages might be:
- Same verb form for all the persons (except for the present tense, third person in singular, where you add a "s"); only two exceptions (I think) here, "to be" and "to have", just as in most languages.
- Lack of any kind of genders for all substantives (compare this to German or French, where it is a big part of the language).
- All adjectives have the same form, no matter the gender or number of the substantive that they define.
- The plural is usually (with an accent on "usually") formed by just adding an "s" to the end of a substantive.
- A very small number of cases, and quite well defined prepositions, which simplifies the grammar a little bit.
- Most of the verbs are regular, so you can derive the rule quite well.
What might make English a little bit harder to learn might be:
- Pronunciation. You know this has to be the first one. You get the hang of it eventually, after some years of study, but why, oh, why, do they need to have exceptions in exceptions in exceptions? Some letters pronounced differently based on other letters, or on word, or on meaning, or... you understand.
- When it comes to irregular verbs or plurals, you have to learn it by heart. No other choice.
- The order of the adjectives (why not "yellow beautiful car", but "beautiful yellow car"?).
Of course, it all depends on the level of exposure that you've had since birth, the willingness to learn, and definitely on your mother tongue. There are, of course, easier languages to learn than English (I can't argue with that), and harder, but I think it is good to look at a problem from more angles. :)
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I'm still not sure if english or german was harder for me in school - I learnt english from 1st grade, while german only for 4 years, but started when I was 14-15, so I had a really different mindset. Focusing only on the languages themselves, not how accessible content in those languages is (In media, and how similar that is to the studies forms) - english is simpler, but very nuanced because of the very weird written form-pronunciation connection, while german is super easy to pronunciate, most rules are rigid and straightforward, but there are more that one needs to learn beforehand. So it's like english is easier to learn (by using it and being subject of it, not really the learning from books-way) while german is easier to study, as a system.
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I think you are very right, I kind of feel the same. I find German very well structured, and it feels somehow easier to study, in this sense. It is good to know that I am not the only one. :)
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your first point was fine, this is primarily an English site, though that can change if enough people want it to and owners are willing.
your second, there is no easiest language. it all depends on the language you were born into and what new language you are trying to learn.
if you have a source for your opinion why not post it.
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English is relatively easier than other languages, but I doubt it's the easiest one. My opinion is that it only seems easy to learn because we're bombarded with it from a very early age thanks to the predominance of media in english, so it ends up being simple to learn no matter what your native language is thanks to all the vocabulary you absorb just by surfing the web, playing games, listening to music or watching subtitled movies.
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Защо си такъв задник!? Високопарен неудачник и дребнава душуца. Сък май дик. :)
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I thought this was a site about giving games, and being generous and nice to other people.
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I agree 100%, it took me just watching a few TV shows and movies with subtitles, and then without subtitles, and I was already speaking English. The words are easy to learn, they are easy to pronounce, there is no accentuation, it's all very easy. And it's a language that is used everywhere, so if you know English chances are you will be able to communicate with people anywhere in the world.
I find my native language, Portuguese, and my "sister" language, Spanish, infinite times harder. I never had any difficulties whatsoever learning English, but I was never able to learn Spanish. And when I look at languages like German, Russian and Chinese, my head hurts.
OP should just stop being lazy and learn English.
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"English is easy"
'One of the reasons why English is known for being difficult is because it’s full of contradictions. There are innumerable examples of conundrums such as:
There is no ham in hamburger.
Neither is there any apple nor pine in pineapple.
If teachers taught, why didn’t preachers praught?
If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?
“Overlook” and “oversee” have opposite meanings, while “look” and “see” mean the same thing.'
https://www.oxford-royale.co.uk/articles/learning-english-hard.html
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Hamburger comes from Hamburg, not from ham.
Pineapple is because it looks similar to the fruit of pinetrees; I know this because the same happens in spanish, in some countries the fruit is called "piña" in reference to its similar look the pine fruits even tho in others (like mine) the less confusing "ananá" (the name of the plant) is used instead.
The other cases are just run of the mill irregularities that are bound to happen in any unregulated language.
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Actually, there is also at least one Russian mod that I know of.
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All languages would be very hard, but having mods fluent in at least the most represented languages. Going by the stats, the most common languages should be English, Russian, Polish, Portuguese & German, so it would be good to have these represented.
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Hire mods for all languages
Estimates of the number of human languages in the world vary between 5,000 and 7,000.
Ticket response times will become instantaneous and all those thousands of hanging user report tickets will be finally dealt with!
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So if I want to get a faster response time I just have to write it in greenlandic? xD
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Actually I was hoping that mods assigned to less frequently used languages would also handle English tickets during their downtime (like it probably happens now), but your idea is much better!
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You don't need that many. When I opened localization for my ASF program which is used by approx 360k users, only 35 languages were requested to be added.
Sure, there are also other ones, but we can safely say that most popular ones that would make sense to be supported end with 40. Whether it makes sense or not to hire 40 mods just to cover 40 languages is entirely different thing though (and I don't think it makes sense).
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Well, you have translated your program into different languages but you do not have any people answering questions in those languages, have you?
I would totally welcome it if the support section and possibly the notifications were translated to minimize problems due to language issues.
But if e. g. a German user writes in German with a German moderator, the other moderators can't totally verify, whether the actions were justified or not.
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Actually I do. Yes, not in all 40, but there is dedicated support section for some most popular ones, especially russian.
It doesn't matter though, since ASF is ASF and SG is SG. However, I don't agree with you there - there is no possible abuse if everything is done correctly. A moderator in this case would just communicate with the user in his native language, but that doesn't mean he can't leave a short staff note what user wanted and what was done, everything is possible to verify. You can as well assume that current mods share some private details in non-public conversations with users and leave only generic info in the ticket itself - it'd not be any different than that. Take a look at Steam support or any other support, they always have some people responsible for handling different languages. Not everybody speaks English fluently, or feels fine using it every day. I have absolutely no issue with it, in fact, I use English more often than Polish, but I also understand people that struggle heavily - and it's not necessary their fault.
Functionality-wise this suggestion can only help make site better. From practical point of view though, I consider it useless since almost everything else benefits the site more than this. So yeah.
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Okay I see your point here 🙂 Let's see what cg will decide 😉
I think translated support sites would definitely reduce the amount of support tickets, even if unfortunatelly many people don't even read them 😒
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Your english is good xD definitely better than mine
So add more mods which speaks more than just english
i think if they just add more mods would be good 😖
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If it makes you feel any better I never perceived your english as being bad, I just thought you liked being sarcastic or something.
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Ahh lol ty. I thought its really hard to understand what I could mean.
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Havent you noticed others trying to speak your native language ? Even if its broken as hell you usually understand the point.
Same with you. Those who speak english will probably understand the point. Unless its compelitely broken and phrases are used incorrectly. While you have mistakes and they are noticable, people still understand what you mean :D
an example from my life :
Sister of my aunt married and englishman. My aunt doesnt speak english. But from what shes heard on TV and others have taught her, she could put togother very hard to understand sentences but english dude understood what she meant anyway (Not perfectly,but up to a certain point)
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I agree with you that tickets should be able in other languages aswell. As long as the forum stays completly english ;)
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Was hindert dich daran, die Fragen auf Deutsch zu stellen?
Falls die Frage nicht schon eine bekannte Antwort hat, können im Zweifel wir restlichen deutschsprachigen Nutzer dir helfen die Fragen auf Englisch zu formulieren.
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Cosa ti impedisce di fare domande in tedesco?
Se la domanda non ha già una risposta conosciuta, in caso di dubbio possiamo aiutare altri utenti di lingua tedesca a formulare le domande in inglese.
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Weil, wenn ich die Fragen ins Forum stellen würde, ich im Normalfall einen Perma Bann erhalte.
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Dann würde ich sagen, ist die einfachste Lösung besser Englisch zu lernen ;)
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Dann wäre das hier: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GerGive eine Idee?! :)
Oder ein Giveaway, dass nur Region "German" hat.
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- Da wurde ich rausgeschmissen weil ich meinen eigenen Thread löschen wollte und der Leader deswegen dann rumgeheult hat.
- Es geht mir um die Tickets nicht um die region locked giveaways.
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zu 2.
Ich meinte: stelle deine Frage im Giveaway ;)
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Wer sagt mir denn das ich dann nicht wegen Calling out und so reported werde? Das ist doch das selbe wenn ich die Frage im Forum stellen würde.
Ich könnte es maximal so verfassen das ich keine Namen nenne und ihr mir den Text einfach übersetzt und ich dann die Namen einfüge. Aber dann würde ja jeder wissen was fürn Arsch ich bin wegen was ich die Leute reporten will ^^
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Nun vielleicht sagt dir dann wer vorher, dass das Bullshit ist und du belastest nicht unnötig das Support-System ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Wenn man nach Punkt 1 in diesem Kommentar geht, liegt es nicht an der Sprache falls der Eindruck aufkommt dass du flamen willst. Du bist tatsächlich so, auch in deiner Muttersprache.
Übrigens glaube ich nicht dass deutschsprachige Mods lange dabei bleiben würden, wenn sie dann die Freude hätten sich exklusiv mit dir beschäftigen zu dürfen.
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Es gibt 54.000 Deutsche auf SG. Ich bezweifle deshalb das ich der einzige sein werde der Tickets auf Deutsch verfassen würde.
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Das exklusiv bezog sich darauf dass diese 1 oder 2 Deutschen Moderatoren dann immer die Ehre hätten deine Ansinnen bearbeiten zu dürfen. Die Begeisterung dürfte sich da im Rahmen halten.
Und von den restlichen 54k Deutschen würde die Mehrheit vermutlich auch weiterhin bevorzugt auf Englisch kommunizieren.
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Der Typ ist so ziemlich in jedem Forum oder deutschsprsachiger Gruppe gesperrt selbst auf dem Steamforum, es liegt also garantiert nicht an den Sprachproblemen.
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Wenn du was zu sagen hast, kannst du mich gerne auf Steam anschreiben. Ich werde hier nicht mit dir, den ich noch nicht mal kenne, ein Thema durchkauen was bereits Jahre her ist.
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Das Thema scheint ja immer noch aktuell zu sein wenn ich so dein Zeugs lese :) Und klar kennst du mich nicht, würde ich auch nicht, wenn ich jeden Tag in Foren bis zu 15 wildfremde Menschen dumm anmachen würde. Das Blöde daran ist nur das sich diese Menschen an dich erinnern.
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Hab in den letzten Threads ne leichte Verbesserung festgestellt... mal schauen wie es sich entwickelt... :P
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Jeder wird mal Erwachsen die einen brauchen halt ein wenig länger, aber ich bin noch ein wenig kritisch ob das heute schon der Fall ist :)
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Nach einem Monat muss ich sagen, dass deine kritische Ansicht leider wahr geworden ist...^^
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You become a mod by being close friends with people who know people who know cg. It's not by qualifications or request. So you're out of luck until the inner circle becomes more diverse.
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I could go directly to him instead of creating a confusing text like this here ^^
Good Christ, this is why moderators and volunteers in general quit.
Do not contact people directly.
There is a ticket system for a reason. People have lives, let them live them.
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Wait, I just realized you're not part of support anymore? Did that happen a while ago and I just never noticed?
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I imagine, though I could be mistaken, that his intent was not to go directly to the mod. Instead, I think he meant he can directly write it in his mother tongue rather than have to translate his support ticket to English (which of course could lose some of the meaning/ be confuisng).
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Is there a problem?
English?Spanish?
It is not my mother tongue.
I use machine translation.
Express nationality other than English-speaking countries.
I understand roughly.
It is good to describe such circumstances at Steam's profile and posting.
"Approximately matched" is sufficient.
However, only "guidelines" should be stated in national languages · · ·. I think so.
Without understanding, help requests will increase.
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Eu não me importo com o inglês. Não é das mais fáceis de aprender, mas quem sabe tem uma maior vantagem em quase qualquer área de trabalho. Tendo isto em conta acho que o inglês deve ser incentivado.
Plus in the end English is much more accessible for most people than a very specific language. Yes, you could say that English is a very specific language, but it is the language we all (somewhat) have in common.
And to prove my point I wrote half of the argument in my native language. You're welcome ;)
But if the demand forces that action, so be it.
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That's not a good idea. Why? Because when everything is in english every user and every mod understands it.
When I'd be a mod and answer ticket of polish user in polish, then other mod who'd need to go back to this case few months later would have hard time to understand what's written there. Same goes with tickets in spanish, german, russian, italian, chinese and so like. It'd create one big mess.
Also tickets are to be solved within SG support section itself, I don't want to try imagine situation where there would be 1 german-speaking mod and some of 53k german users would want to contact them directly on Steam or in their GAs.
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While the site runs on English basis, it'd be better to have other language specialties in supports. If you want SG to be an open place, it's a right direction.
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why muricans don't complain about racism when it comes to language? just wonder. murican image in the world is that you're brave fighters against discrimination, but if you don't speak english - you're probably from a shithole (c).
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I don't understand what you mean, but apart from USA english is used in Great Britain, New Zeeland, Canada, Australia or Ireland as main language.
So don't know why are you writing about only 1 specific country.
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because united states population is nearly thrice greater than all your listed countries summed and it's the only country ruled by trump at this point.
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I will support this, partly.
As stated, this site's language is English, so that should be the default language, where possible.
But, I agree with the "more staff" part. Most people fele like we need more staff. If that staff is multi-lingual, that would be nice, but shouldn't be a necessity. I know it can be hard to speak multiple languages for people, but English should be, and already is, a thing you just have to learn.
P.S. if there would ever be a 'hiring' (as it is voluneteer based) of more staff, I would want to help, and I speak Dutch (mother tonge), ENglish, German and some (soon more) Spanish. So, everybody happy :)
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I think Russians could use a few support staff, yeah. But the reason for that is because some terms in English can be a bit difficult for a Russian. Europeans can understand English well enough to not need special mods.
It's just that this will most likely contribute to the cultural segregation on SG even more. Russians are usually silent on this site and when they speak, other Russians tend to just respond in Russian, instead of using English.
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Europeans can understand English well enough to not need special mods
But not the other way. Many mods already tell me I speak to angry with them but its just because I cannot find the correct word.
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It's one of those things where, as time goes on, you'll improve.
I used to struggle with different terms for concepts that I was trying to explain, but over time, I just learned more and more words and in the end, I didn't need to look up words or anything like that.
Of course it depends on the topic. Just yesterday I had a discussion about music and, while I have studied music a fair bit, I couldn't muster up the vocabulary necessary to have a discussion about it. I still kept talking and over time I learned some terms and now, today, I'd say that I've improved a small amount.
Stuff like that takes a while, but it's doable. Not to mention, it doesn't take a lot of active effort.
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That can still happen even if you're a native speaker. Years ago, on another site, I got a warning for saying something inappropriate because I couldn't think of the right word and instead used one that had unfortunate connotations (the context should have been enough, but that site was/is stupidly strict). I'm a native English speaker who was reading on the college level at six; I just had a brain fart that day. It happens. :P
(If you're curious, I said "bodily contact" instead of "physical contact". "Bodily contact" implies something sexual, which isn't what I meant, and "physical contact" just means touch.)
Your English is quite good; it is obvious that you're not a native speaker because your grammar is unusual, but you have excellent spelling and it's plenty understandable from what I've seen, plus you'll improve with time and practice. If you're trying to say something and aren't sure whether you've chosen the right words, just say so--unless the person you're talking to is a jerk, they won't hold it against you so long as they know that's what's happening.
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Actually, in sports (Rugby for instance), it IS referred to as bodily contact, so you actually made no mistake at all and just dealt with somebody with a broomstick up their arse and a low grasp of the language.
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I don't disagree with the broomstick part, but I wasn't talking about sports. :P It was something about dealing with a gross merchant, trying not to let my hand touch his when giving him money, that sort of thing. Roleplaying. The context made it clear what I was talking about, but most innuendo flew over my head at that age (this was when I was 13-14) and even I realized how it might sound out of context. I just couldn't think of the word "physical" and thought the context would take care of it.
Might have just been a bot instead of an actual mod too, where all it saw was the word I used. That's a possibility--in fact, that's probably what happened, given how quickly I got the warning. Unless a mod was actively reading that thread or something. I guess I'll never know for sure. XD
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Or unless they did have a broomstick up their yahoo! O____o
Now theres a mad idea... a bot with a broomstick!
Either way, bodily contact has no more euphemistic value than physical contact.
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Ehm, don't you think that this is kinda difficult to achieve? Where will we they find mods speaking every damn language of the world? xD And I hope you won't give me an answer like "Oh, I was just talking about my language". :P While I agree that not everyone should be obligated to learn the english language, steamgifts is supposed to be an english site.
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No. Definitely NO!
I don't want any subcommunities based on language or race in SG. If you can't speak English, try using google translate or ask for help, just don't expect any special treatment from mods because you speak the same language with them.
Besides, it shouldn't be too hard to learn "just enough" English to use the site.
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I think bilingual mods are a good idea (generally - for most forums / sites where possible). While I dont think it would be a good idea for that to be the primary contact language, it would help to diffuse certain situations / make things clearer where there are misunderstandings and so on as some terms and ideas never really translate properly.
(Example: apparently in German and some other languages, irony translates as sarcasm - which is ironic as its not.)
Also, a lesson for anybody who does not speak English natively: NEVER apologise for your "Bad English". Many native speakers can do no better, and the hybrid nature of the language allows for a myriad of dialects and speech patterns. If you spend your time apologising for your ability, its unlikely you will ever gain the confidence to improve / learn more.
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I think bilingual mods are a good idea
Agreed. Just as being bilingual is useful in the workplace, I don't see why there should be any opposition to having a selection of bilingual mods, at least for the larger sub-sections of the userbase. It can only improve things.
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Intha case, ah vulunteer fur tha weegie banter mudderatin puzishun, pawl!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4yeqSgNxiE
*picks up bucky
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so site needs to change because can't fit your specific lenguage capabilities...
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I'm in for way more mods, because the ticket numbers are hilarious compared to the staff size. Even more since it's only done voluntarily and nobody should become stressed due to this situation.
If by recruiting new mods other languages could be supported it would be a nice add-on. But it neither should be mandatory nor a premise for the recruiting process. There are other abilities a mod should have.
I could go directly to him instead of creating a confusing text like this here ^^
This is another reason against it, because it would burden the specific mod even more. There's a ticket system and a team is working with it. If someone doesn't have time at the moment, others can work on the ticket. You could still write it in two languages hoping that the specific mod with comprehension of your language takes care of it. Yet you shouldn't expect it.
And sorry for that, but I don't think that it's your wording which leads to bad impressions, since it's also happening in German.
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Right now there are mods for the french, spain, english. But I think there are no mods which speak rus or german. I have so many questions but I cannot ask you because I cannot translate it. Also sometimes it looks like I want to flame you because I cannot find the correct word. So add more mods which speaks more than just english. I could go directly to him instead of creating a confusing text like this here ^^
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