Hello, two years ago I was reading about buying good headphones here, there were many threats so it was mostly general opinion that Sennheiser headphones were awesome quality and less expensive than Bose, as well as durable.
 So now I was checking prices in my country and it came to my attention there is a HD598 about 500 dll, this seems the best option because the other models are a HD 205 II and a 203, but those models are arround 120 dlls, so I don't think the quality would be considered supreme.
 And I might be able to get a big Stereo system or a home theater for 500 dlls, my room is medium size so I don't think I would need a 5000watt stereo.
 I find this LG stereo 2.1CH 1900 RMS with a subwoofer.
 But if a pair of headphones is as expensive as a stereo system do Sennheiser headphones provide a better quality than external systems??
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in that price range stick with headphones (personally I prefer AKG over Sennheiser), if you want a stereo, actually buy a stereo and not a home theater system.

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also, depending on your headphones, you might wanna consider a pre-amp/headphone amplifier

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would you reccommend them even beith high quallity headphones, considering the HD598 ?

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Check this playlist, it has excellent headphones reviews and if you really want crème de la crème audio, you need a high impedance model of headphones combined with a DAC. No motherboard audio solution can compare against a good DAC

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLknCNmc8uMa7qMMQGdoV-n2vWoxBhtiK3

And if you get headphones, be sure they are 120 ohms minimum, buying a DAC for headphones lower than that its a waste of money

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Well this info sounds awesome I'll definately check it and will check specs from thse headphones I wanted to buy

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No problem man, just beware and don't became an audiophile, its a very expensive hobby, and "Once you go DAC, you never go back..."

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/signed

also, i would like to add that headphones have different characteristics regarding amplifying lows, middle and highs.

if you're into drum and bass or trance, music that contains a lot of bass, the sennheiser hd598, might not be the best headphones for you.

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If you're still considering the HD598 let me put in a positive word for them. I'm sure you know they don't really cancel sound, so they obviously aren't great in a noisy environment, but the sound quality is superb and the sound stage is great. I use them for everything on my computer-- mostly music and gaming, an occasional TV show. I watch most movies on my TV.

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Wat. Impedance isn't a measure of sound quality. And newer motherboards have decent enough DACs I doubt most people will notice a difference. They might notice an amp though.

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http://sound.westhost.com/impedanc.htm

I never said that more impedance=more quality, although the way I exposed my argument maybe wasnt the better, and in fact,some of the most famous headphones have low number of ohms(less impedance), BUT, i was speaking directly about the headphone/DAC combo, when using an external DAC its pretty useless to purchase a low impedance model of headphones, I recommend you to read that article if you have further doubts about the influence of impedance in audio quality.
About your statement of motherboard DACs its pretty subjective, and my own statement its also pretty subjective, for some people it will be a notable difference, and some people will be the same, it depends in each individual sensitivity.
From the Beyer Dynamics Website:

"The impedance is determined by the voice coil (dynamic headphones), which is a winded copper wire (coated to avoid a short-circuit). This copper wire is available in nearly every length, but not in every gauge (thickness) and a thicker wire has less resistance than a thin wire ("less fits through"). The magnetic field of the voice coil depends on the number of windings of the coil, causing a low impedance system to use a thicker (also heavier) wire and since the membrane foil can't be infinitely light-weight, the moving mass (voice coil and diaphragm) is relatively high. It's pretty clear that a higher mass can't move as easily (following an audio signal) as a lower mass. This low mass can easily be accomplished with thinner (lower weight) wire, but the thinner wire has a higher impedance. This means that the DT 770 PRO with 250 ohms sound more natural, but plays (depending on the used headphone amplifier) not as loud as the 80 ohms version.

The transducers of the 80 ohms versions are stronger and more powerful, a bit more low-mid accentuated and therefore this version is ideal for powerful reproducing of low-frequency material f.e. coming from a bass guitar. The 250 ohms version sounds more smooth and voluminous and can be used for mixing situations within the studio to analyse the whole mix."

My English is not the best btw, I know that sometimes I can't get to expose my arguments as good as I want :p

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Sorry but why does an external DAC make low impedance headphones useless. This doesn't make any sense.

Edit: And yes theoretically more winds of the coil allows finer granular control by the amp but that doesn't automatically make a higher impedance headphone better. And the differences in the DT770 models are a result of how the drivers are tuned, not a property of impedance.

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Most of the DACs/Amps can't deliver the current required for low impedance headphones and that lowers the damping factor.. Investigate it by yourself man, you are coming at me without any sources so I will end the disscusion here, I need to sleep. I will leave you some interesting readings about this, if you want to find the sense. Do not want to be rude or anything I just need to sleep, maybe I am wrong about all of this, but I am sure I have read a lot about this topic because I used to be kinda addicted to this years ago...but maybe, as you said, newer motherboards aren't shitty as I said.
http://www.apexhifi.com/specs.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/15wunp/guide_dacs_and_amps/

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Alright so first of all you shouldn't be running a headphone from a DAC's headphone out in the first place. Most amps that people recommend have an output impedance under 1 ohm. For a damping factor of 1/8, any headphone with 8 ohms or more input impedance will sound fine without any noticeable decay in the bass. And this is all in theory, most people wouldn't even notice a difference with impedance mismatches.

I'm not sure why I need sources for basic circuit theory.

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Yeah, I understand that, at the end of the day as you said, it will be very hard to notice differences sometimes, hell, I still don't get why some people buy $2000 DACs when there are excellent ones for less than $200. Maybe I am exaggerating all of this, I am not an engineer, I just read a lot of stuff a while ago when I entered to the "audiophile" thing.
Maybe I fell into some marketing thing, but one thing I can assure you man, I am very happy with the sound of my DAC/Headphone combo :)

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happy cake day

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Happy cake day

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headphones

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Headphones:

  • Generally Cheaper.
  • Noise Cancelling on some models.
    =Ease of use.
  • While some can put out decent bass, you won't get that whole body feel as from a sub-woofer.
  • Easier to break, Harder(possibly more expensive) to repair

Home Theater:

  • True Surround Sound.
  • Bass you can feel.
    = Could be a bit complicated to set up, but once your done you won't have to mess around much.
  • Wake the neighbors/wife
  • Takes up much more room, electricity.
  • more expensive.

Quality is a matter of brand. Sennheiser Headphones are fantastic, they weren't lying. However, I have doubts as to the quality of a stereo system that is the same price as a set of premium headphones.

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It's LG, but it includes a big subwoofer so that vibrates more than a home theatre, right?

Also in this case those headphones are not cheaper than a stereo system.

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Wake the neighbors/wife? I have a girlfriend, can she be woken up too? That's the entire reason I bought these sub-woofers.

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I agree with you sub woofers rock, besides I sleep early and my family don't bother with my music.

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what's wrong about m30? I can only get m30 in this country.

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The m30x are not collapsible, no 90 degree swivel, no detachable cable and they're not as loud and crisp. The m30x are still great headphones but I personally prefer the m40x for the most natural flat sound.

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I say get a good stereo and a cheap headphone. The headphone solely for the purpose of talking to people (online games and such). Stereo for everything else. I'm a big bass enthusiast so I would never give up a good stereo over a headphone.

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Yes, i am also learning to play bass so It's hard to listen bass lines sometimes, that's another reasn I wanted high grade headphones. Thanks mate.

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That's cool! Good luck! But come on! If you're learning bass you must know how awesome it feels to stand in front of a big and powerful stereo while the wind blows on you!

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I find the headphones more appealing when listening audio files(not gaming), the quality and detail you get because of the distance compared to a stereo its something to consider, plus personally I like a more private environment, I don't like to bother my neighbors when hearing my music but that its totally me, others will differ, and of course, the damage to your ears is arguably bigger when using headphones, so there is that advantage for the stereo option

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Yeah I remember reading something about problems using headphones. thanks for remembering me the info.

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Well, i like to be aware of my surroundings. so i don't ever use headphones
plus

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There's open-back headphones, which provide awareness of the surroundings. Made for indoor-use, the advatage of those is you have the speaker-feeling, while achieving a better sound quality for a lower price in most cases.
Also headphones at maximum volume aren't 105db - in that sense, your source is false, because it all depends on the sensitivity of headphones. Typically measured at volume @ 1mW input power. Most headphones can achieve much higher volumes.
Also, with speakers it's easier to turn the volume higher than the threshold for starting to damage one's hearing, because the distance from the ear to the sound source lowers the threshold quite a bit.

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all true.
but people with headphones usually have it to high. don't know why, but they do... hence, my case is still valid.
heard about the open-back headphones. never tried, it seems weird, but maybe someday

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wasn't saying it's invalid, just false in a common sense. I know people always turn their headphones far too loud, mostly its less-grown-up people with the desire for MOAR BASS, despite the lack of actual quality in it... But as most people don't care to spend more than $15 on a headphone that breaks twice a year, it is to be expected.

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you win.

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I went through a little audiophile phase for a while. I think the big stereo is far more satisfying, but the headphones are honestly as good if not better for sound separation and general quality. My favorite headphones of the ones I bought were the Grado SR80i's. They weren't the most expensive of the bunch but they have a good comfy sound so I keep going back to them.

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"LG stereo 2.1CH 1900 RMS with a subwoofer"
Sorry, but that sounds fake. It's like with cars. If someone is offering a Golf with 300 PS for the price of a Polo with 55PS then something is not right.
Plus, having a lot of Watts does not automatically mean sound quality.

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Lots of watts never means any sound quality at all. Watts are not more than measurements, not in any, any, any way related to the sound quality a speaker can offer. Nor are watts related to loudness, nor are they related to how big the bass can kick in.
Watts just don't mean shit, that's all there is to say about it and I hope more people will start to realize this.

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what should i look for in stereo systems for home??

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Damn those threats...why would people threaten for asking about headphones? :( Anyway, I don't have headphones at all. Like TinyPurple said, I like to be aware of my surroundings as well. I don't wish to isolate myself from my gf. Also, so far any headphones I've tried make my head hurt pretty fast.

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IDK, I just remember I read like 8 threats asking the same three years ago, in one of those was that i heard about sennheiser.

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First of, I'll repeat myself: Watts don't mean shit. Not in any way. They're to be ignored.

Secondly, not only one brand can or should be considered good at making headphones. Lots of brands - lots of fine headphones, often from lesser known ones, as the big names tend to use their brand name and start to lose out on sound quality in terms of price/performance.
The HD205 and 203 are cheap headphones, they sound ok, but for that price, much higher quality sound can be achieved, for instance with the usually even cheapter monoprice 8323, or the likely a tad more expensive takstar HD-2050, just for measure.
Just to make my point, headphones under the HD598 (so everything with a lower price and model number, leave aside their wireless solutions) aren't really up to what the competition is currently offering. Not to say Sennheiser is a bad brand, other brands do it as well (AKGs headphones are sometimes worthlessly overpriced, for instance) but there's no all-round-go-to-brand in headphones. See below, regarding personal taste. Also, market competition should always be taken into consideration. Just because one's never heard of one brand, doesn't mean it's crap, for instance.

Third: LG just makes trash speakers. Forget about LG!

Also, wearing heapdhones doesn't instantly mean losing awareness of surroundings -> there's open back headphones, which don't isolate nearly as much from the environment around you, also decent speaker replacements for example reasons listed in one of my other posts in this thread.

In any way, you should consider what you really want: Freedom all the time with speakers, but lesser sound quality compared with equally priced headphones and more quality loss when listening from a bad angle, or not-so-much freedom with heaving to wear headphones, but the advantages listed before?

When buying headphones or speakers, you should very much consider testing them yourself in a good-sorted hifi-store. They all differ in the kind of sound signature they deliver, to match people's different tastes in almost every price-range. Buying the wrong sound-signature will definitely turn down the speakers or headphones value for yourself! Choose the one that suits your own tastes best!

Also, when buying speakers, really, really think about buying a subwoofer. Stereo-speakers have bass, too, for starters. Sometimes, it's a lesser experience than subwoofers, of course, but mostly, stereo speakers deliver the higher-quality experience.
Additionally, a wrongly-placed subwoofer won't sound good - the bass will be bloaty, too extensive and will wipe over the frequencies lying above (like higher bass and lower midrange frequencies), taunting lower-frequency vocals and the like, making the sound in general sound very bloated - less enjoyable.

What you should consider (and tell in the thread) is:

  • how big is your room? Where would you put the speakers, and in case, the subwoofer?
  • What will be your most-of-the-time usage?
  • What of the mentioned pros/cons for headphones/speakers (such as, freedom, etc.) appeal most to you?
  • Are you planing on using the headphones mobile?
  • What sources to drive the headphones or speakers are at your disposal, which are planned?
  • something I forgot to mention but is important to you...?
  • lastly: what are you willing to spend?
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how big is your room? Where would you put the speakers, and in case, the subwoofer?
is about 20m square. i'll place them beside my TV.

What will be your most-of-the-time usage?
I use them as my pc speakers, so i listen music, watch movies and video games.

What of the mentioned pros/cons for headphones/speakers (such as, freedom, etc.) appeal most to you?
I am opting for a stereo system since it's true headphones deal the most damage to ears.

Are you planing on using the headphones mobile?
No i just wanted to listen quality music on my home, too much noise on the streets.

What sources to drive the headphones or speakers are at your disposal, which are planned?
Sources my PC

something I forgot to mention but is important to you...?
nothing

lastly: what are you willing to spend?
the 500 seems good

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500 dll is a currency that doesn't tell me anything. Dollars? No, Sennheiser HD598 don't cost that much. Pesos?
Anyway, can I derive/assume the budget is around $200?

For a 2.1 system in a square room, depending on the place you're going to be listening most of the time, the subwoofer is best on the floor on one of the corners in the room, placed about 1 foot away from the walls, free-standing, if you want to reduce interference standing on an isolation pad. But for this budget, I wouldn't get a subwoofer anyway, for it's three loudspeakers for the budget of two - two for the same money sound considerably better!
If you cannot place the subwoofer in a corner with the required space, placing it under a table or in a shelf sounds awfully terrible - not recommended. In case you're going to be listening mostly on the same height as your subwoofer can be placed on a table / desk, you could put it there, but being below the subwoofer will make the bass sound overpowered and bloaty.

Again, assuming the budget is around $200, the go-to system would be the edifier S530D, if opting for a 2.1 system. Not the best, compared to a 2.0 system of the same price, but enjoyable, considering the factors.

A little under the supposed budget, the Alesis Elevate 5 do a good job on a desk / table / shelf.
If you want to spend a little more than that, you might want to look into the Fluid Audio F4 or the liiiittle bit more expensive Swissonic ASM5. Or, if still available (they're not in Germany) shoot straight for the M-Audio BX5.
Shortly said, all of these offer more resolution and detail than a comparable 2.1 system, but of course, the neighbor won't be bothered by a lot of bass. Yeah, there definitely is less bass, but it should be enough to satisfy. Also to be considered that the bass, especially the kick and decay, are of a higher quality in these monitors.
Also, they all are upgradable with a better subwoofer later on.

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Watts are one of those measurements that only confuses people. They see more Watts and think something is better. I run into this with stereos, lightbulbs, appliances, etc.. People just can't seem to grasp that its a measurement of power usage and has nothing to do with how well something does its job.

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Well I would argue that watts in lightbulbs are pretty relevant since it considerably affects how bright the light is. Hurts my eyes when my gf bought a 70W bulb. I prefer those 40W with more of a mood lightning than this "hey, I like everything to glow white" types of bulbs.

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Except your example is a perfect example of why people don't understand Watts. Watts just refer to how much power its using, not how many lumens it produces. Hell, the heating coil on your stove will use far more Watts than that, but good luck reading from the glow it produces.

A 40W bulb will vary greatly from brand to brand, and it depends whether its incandescent, CFL, halogen, or LED. They'll produce wildly different amounts of lumens, and yet still use the same amount of power.

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Yes well I'm only talking about the regular old bulbs. Incandecent? I have no experience with the other bulbs, and wasn't referring to them. So within incandescent bulbs, in my experience there is a correlation between the watts and that's really all I need to know about the subject. They aren't categorized in the store by their lumens but by the watts. And the only reason anyone would care about watts is the brightness?

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You care about the watts because putting in a bulb that will draw too much power can cause fires. That's why lamps and fixtures have labels telling you not to put anything above "X Watts". But you can put in a CFL or LED bulb that uses a fraction of the power and provides just as much or even more light, and it lasts longer.

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Ok, never heard that. Luckily I generally prefer non-bright lamps anyway. I haven't bought any other types of lamps yet because they're more expensive. I tend to go with the cheaper ones as it's just a bulb. I go for the most expensive stuff with pillowcases and computers.

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The more expensive bulbs can be a little hard to justify, especially the $30 LED bulbs. But you just have to think of it like an investment. The power savings will pay for itself if you get a LED or CFL bulb. They'll use 75-90% less power, and last for years longer than a normal, incandescent bulb. Skip halogen, though. They don't normally last any longer than a plain incandescent bulb and costs 3 times as much.

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Thanks for the info!

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Its what I do. :)

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With loudspeakers, that's not even the case! Those wattage-specs don't tell how much power a system will draw. The PMPO, which is often used (and I guess, was also used by LG for their system) tells about..nothing, realy, since the PMPO isn't specified or defined - each manufacturer can use whatever they like, mostly it's the peak power output of the amplifiers in a system combined. Which will never be a case in real-life. And the other wattage specs also mostly say nothing. For those interested, this wiki article discloses the basic information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_power

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I would imagine they use watts to advertise it because its a larger and impressive sounding number.

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Wooden 5.1. No exceptions! :)
Once you'll try it in gaming you'll never even think about headphones.

And buy some cheap headphones for those cases you need to be quiet for your housemates.

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Sure, 5.1 on his budget, that will sound...great. not. Also to be considered before recommending or suggesting a 5.1 is if the person in question can put the loudspeakers in the right places (no right placing, no 5.1 benefit) or even if it makes sense - in case you listen to music most of the time, it absolutely doesn't. Upsampling stereo to 5.1 is a no-no in terms of quality and soundstage presentation, and music that was made to be listened on 5.1 systems is really, really, really rare and mostly special interest or taste.

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