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Have you had your 2-Minute Hate this morning yet?
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Does this affect your hate for Epic?
The gamepass is great and the xbox app works pretty good.
Also: I love my (not only free) games on epicstore.
my only proble is that the xbox app is preinstalled on windows and cannot (easily) be removed
What kind of problem does this give you?
it's called bloatware
Epic helped me save money! By using torrents more often especially when it comes to exclusives!
That's sinking low. I'm patient, I will just wait for the exclusive period to end and then buy the games I want on Steam. Since they will be older I will pay less for them, too.
You really think the same greedy people that went for exclusivity will settle to put the game at a lower price on Steam after the exclusivity period ends? I strongly doubt that. Why? Because they know there are people that won't buy on Epic in hopes of waiting for Steam version, so they will most likely set at full price. And why is it sinking low? Deep silver deserves it, BL3 deserves it as well and so on. I bought my share of games, i bought games that i first played them from torrents and after some time i bought them on Steam and replayed them.
Epic helped me save money! By using torrents more often
Epic helped me save money! By using torrents more often
The irony is not lost on you man.
I'm pretty sure most of those AAA games won't have any GOTY/Gold/Ultimate editions only to release on Steam for $60+$60 DLCs, wait 3 months and then relesase $90 GOTY, wait 3 months and then make first -50% Steam sale.
Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble Microsoft rabble rabble!
(how are you finding Exodus by the way? A friend said it was really buggy but his PC skills are a mess so can't really tell if it's him or not lol)
Actually still installing. And I'm at work. So I'll check it out over the next few days. :)
Got no hate to show :) lovin my xbox gamepass so far
microsoft store is a horrible experience though
I can't deny that. It ginds my gears, coming from a long time xbox owner. Their Microsoft store has some of the worst UI ever. Everything in it needs a rework. But at least the xbox team knows that and gave us the option to install a seperate lightweight application to browse, install and play all your gamepass games (works a lot better) so then you don't have to scratch your eyes out from using the MS store. (Also not saying it's perfect, but at least a start into a better direction)
If you want a link to it I can share it
Just click "Download the app" it will download a 32-bit program that will be a kind of soft launcher for the gamepass games. Much easier than the horrible store.
PS just make sure you've got windows up to date to at least build version 1903
Thank you I have already updated my windows using the Microsoft tool.
Actually this combination of Exodus and Game Pass offered me the worst experience I had in many years. The Xbox App always instantly logs me out, when I successfully end the login process. The game requires to be logged in and it seems the Windows store version has plenty of issues..
Another technical issue I had was that downloads didn't resume.
I tried to contact Microsoft via phone, mail and bug report. Each of them with hilariously absurd results. Via phone they forwarded me twice, the third one insisted that it would be a console issue. Informing him about the Game Pass for PC was futile.
I did manage to play one game actually. But by then I was so frustrated with this "service" that I stopped playing after 5 minutes and canceled my subscription.
EpicGames = PC gaming terrorism, They are ISIS in PC gaming and have no legitimacy, I never buy anything from EpicGames store. Only Steam, GOG and Microsoft store.
Wow. Hyperbole like that is not helping you express yourself. It is instead making you look like a lunatic.
And why is he crazy for that?
i thought we are in the internet with free speech .
I mean if you like epic games you can buy it there for full price instead of buying this gamepass .
Not all shiny things are golden ^-^
But I thought all things that glitter are gold.
Because saying something as hyperbolic as a gaming company being ISIS is crazy, you clearly don't know what free speech is, if you think calling someone's ideas crazy somehow infringes it...
U called me "lunatic" and then blacklisted me, Good job :)
U even don't tolerate any opposite view.
Huh. I have not in fact blacklisted you. And I tolerate your view just fine.
I do hold with my opinion that comparing The Epic Game Store to Isis is not helping you express your view and instead making you sound like a lunatic.
ISIS tried to sell oil of occupied lands with huge discounts, Epic do the same by making 3rd party games exclusive.
Epic don't care about the final customer and limit the customer to their stupid launcher (Like ISIS by forcing people to become muslim), they just care about the game publishers. That's the problem.
and more ...
It's 21st century, dictatorship is bad and not only for countries or political systems.
Wow. You are making it worse!
Equating using the Epic launcher to play a video game with ISIS forcing people to change their religion...
Let me ask u a question besides my bad examples, consider a game like "Cyberpunk 2077" will be released on every possible platforms, Which platform do u like to purchase ur game?
I would get it on GOG.
But really I'm a bargain hunter. Price is the most important consideration for me. That's why I have games from all sorts of places.
So, that's the point. It is ur right to choose wherever u like.
Nah. It's not a right.
Heck, I wanted to play Journey since it was released, but it was always a console exclusive. Now it's on epic. I played it finally after all these years. It was a lot of fun.
But that wasn't my right.
I'm sorry, but the comparison between forcing someone to become Muslim, and Epic's game exclusivity is ridiculous. You have a choice to use the Epic launcher or not, unlike whatever religion or law is being forced by ISIS. You could easily wait for Epic's exclusivity period to end, buy it on console, or pirate it if you're that desperate.
I get your point, exclusivity is bad and it hurts the consumer. I even agree. But the way you're trying to prove your point, with over the top examples, isnt going to get very many people to take what you have to say seriously. Besides it being incredibly trivializing towards the damage ISIS has done to so many families and people.
Yeah, you're right.
If the op didn't blacklisted you, don't worry, there are some epic fanboys around here and if you don't abide to their opinions, they just blacklist people. Hell.. people can't have free speech around here without hurting some snowflake's feelings.
No one is actually stopping you from voicing your opinion. So, you still have free speech, right?
LOL, someone else who doesn't know what free speech is.
People blacklisting you are using their free-speech; your thinking that your speech shouldn't offend anyone and not being free because that's not the case is the most asinine conflagration of the concept I've seen yet.
Aha, so if get blacklisted by them is not against free speech or is it just that i hurt some snowflake's feelings?
"Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction." I see blacklisting as a form sanctioning someone just because you don't agree with them or in the case here, that i hurt someones feelings. Either way, i don't care, it's not like i'm gonna miss on anything from them, would be better to actually see who blacklisted me, so i could blacklist them as well.
Googled much those fancy words to use in your sentence or just had to act like you're special as well?
If you are up for it keep reading through that Wikipedia article.
It's at best retaliation, and the principle of free expression is different from freedom from any consequences (particularly through the state), it has limitations including others being free to utilize their own freedom of expression to tell you that you're a dumbass... It really doesn't take a snowflake or someone to be offended, to acknowledge that.
That happens automatically, so you should read up on how blacklists work.
No, but I'm sorry that you feel insecure about your vocabulary; I can try to write monosyllabically to make it easier for you.
I see, calling someone names now if they don't agree with you. Ok. So i'm insecure because i choose to talk with simple words so other people can understand me, without assuming that there might be other people around here that might not have a high understanding of the English language? Good for you, stroke your ego even more, you might become famous one day.
"epic fanboys", "snowflake", "act like you're special"...
Pot, meet kettle.
I had my fun.
Maybe you'll look back and realize who the easily-triggered snowflake is and make it a little bit harder.
Typical troll response when he tries to act all mighty and goes into arguments for fun. Nah dude, i'm not the one blacklisting people around here, i just ignore people, they don't hurt my feelings and yeah, should have said that you insulted me calling me a dumbass cause i don't agree with you. Gonna stop here, no point wasting my time with you.
But what i dont understand i why i have to buy the pass again for just Metro Exodus. I bought a pass a few weeks ago and i can install State of Decay 2 but not Metro :(
State of Decay is on Xbox Game pass (On the Xbox) But because it is a play anywhere title you can play it on PC too.
Metro Exodus (Windows) is on PC Game Pass.
Isn't it like $1€ more to get both tho.
yea it is not sure for how long tho but I was able to cancel my xbox gamepass even though i had it for a week, and even got refunded
Yeah but kinda weird they have 2 separate passes for it though. Its just 1 euro but still.
I've got installed already, can't wait to start playing.
I'd love to have a chance not to moan at Microsoft but unfortunately any game that is labelled "Administrator approval required for installation" refuses to download (just giving a rather unhelpful error code 0x80070005), which includes Metro Exodus and Vampyr, the latter being the game I was most looking forward too... 😒
Microsoft online support was as useless as I thought they'd be 🙄
I did get to finally try Sunset Overdrive, Hellblade and Ori though, so it's not all bad 😅
did you download this?: https://www.xbox.com/de-DE/xbox-app
Yep, that's how I was able to install and play some of the games, just not the ones that require admin approval (which is weird as my Windows account is an admin one and always has been)
Try running the app as an administrator
Thanks for the suggestion, but I've already tried that and it made no difference... 🙁
if you click on the windows logo on the lower left corner and then click on your profile picture under account settings, doesnt it show under your name and e-mail Administrator?
It's a "Local Account" not an Outlook/Live one but it definitely says "Administrator".
P.S. There's a bunch of people reporting the same issue, no official response from Microsoft yet that I've seen (although one person did say they'd been told to wait for an update)
ok, good luck!
There are people using MS Store? To get horrible nonworking apps instead of real programs?
What do you mean? I have a few games there. They run just as good as your average Steam game.
I mean them ruining desktop Windows with mobile app crap has been reason enough to hate on it. Then they burned the mobile platform so it was for no reason. Apps provide only stupid limitations with no benefits, so why support that kind of crap at all?
they burned the mobile platform because it failed.
They can only pump so much money into a new product before giving up
They could have first made a non-failed mobile platform before ruining Windows for power users with it. I said right from the start when I read the news that it will be horrible crap and never got a reason to change my opinion. At least as a Finn I get to enjoy them saving Nokia from losing the competition to Android/iCrap and allowed them to invest those billions in Alcatel-Lucent, so not all bad except for MS. They can keep wondering why so many still use Windows 7.
the current version of Win 10 is much more like Windows 7, especially if you take the time to customize it. The abomination known as Windows 8 shall never be mentioned again.
I know, I'm still using it because of my firm belief that they manage to do every other version of Windows at least somewhat right. And it has got a lot better, that's true, but still has some really stupid features like always resizing windows to who knows where when there is any chance in displays. TV shuts down? Let's move all windows snapped to corners to be slightly off snapped to borders and 1 window off screen as small as it can be, that must be what the user wanted! At least I can have HDR on the TV without any hassle already. Only real alternative I have been thinking about is just using an unactivated version of 10 Enterprise without any apps or other useless crap, but then I would probably lose some wanted features too.
I never installed Vista and lasted 3 days on 8, went back to 7 after 3 strikes and jumped on 10 when it came out, was testing on VM before. But not going to use the store for anything, tried once and only thing I managed to find of use was Spotify, which I'm not currently using but it wants to install back without asking every time I have to reinstall 10 because some update screwed it up.
8.1 with the Win7 start menu (with a great tool that I forgot the name of) was actually quite decent.
EDIT: I think it was called StartIsBack.
Or Start8 or ClassicShell or any of the other alternatives showing most people don't like huge metro tiles. Same work for 10 too making the start menu much better by allowing you to actually decide for yourself what you want there.
I actually like the tiles in Win10. They don't replace any of the usual elements, they are just an addition. I use it to link a few programs that I don't use often enough to pin them to my taskbar, but still would like to have quick access to.
(and sorry for late answer, was travelling for a few days...)
Oh, that's what you mean, of course. "nonworking" implied - well, that they are not working. I agree that UWP is questionable and the whole app store concept is unnecessary. Still, the games I bought on the store worked fine (Gears of War 4, Forza Horizon 3, Quantum Break*, and something I am forgetting now). I wouldn't buy anything there that I can buy on other platforms. But for games that are only available there, it's actually alright. A nice touch is that you don't need to start a launcher to play. Which in a way makes it more comfortable than the launchers I don't use that often, like Origin.
*Well, Quantum Break had performance issues, but that had more to do with their DX12 implementation than with the store.
No need to start a launcher for Steam games either, since Steam is always on anyways. ;)
Anybody want to yell and moan about Microsoft?
Anybody want to yell and moan about Microsoft?
Yes please. But for unreladed reasons of WHY IS EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF THEIR SOFTWARE BROKEN AS SHIT?! ~ Someone who had to deal with Skype for business, Outlook and AX crashing for no reason at work for yet another day... And Windows 10 is the absolute worst OS.
Ok, I feel better now that I got it out of my system.
Glad I could help!
Skype for Business is horrible. And once you installed it together with Outlook, you can't even uninstall it seperately. Which is frankly unbelievable. Can't say we have any problems with Outlook itself, though.
It indeed is. I have had so many issues with it in the past few months I have been using it I could write a book about it.
My main gripe with Outlook is that it randomly freezes for me for no apparent reason what so ever. And what I say random, I mean random, there is no patter to what might be causing it.
I guess the standard Outlook problem would be OST file too big?
I don't have any severe problems with Outlook, to be honest. But Visual Studio is a daily struggle for me. Especially in Windows 10, where I can either run it without admin rights (then VS cannot register my ocx controls) or with admin rights (then drag&drop does not work anymore. What's baffling in any Windows version is that Visual Studio including the resource editor (where you design your dialogs) is 32 bit. That means I cannot load my own 64 bit ActiveX controls that I just created within VS. And it has been like this forever. We live in a time where 64 bit is more common than 32 bit, yet the biggest IDE in the world cannot load 64 bit controls. I have to compile them as 32 bit versions in order to use the resource editor, then do 64 bit versions again to run the application. And if I have to make another adjustment, it's the same procedure again. Sometimes I need to do this like 4-5 times. I can't believe there's still no solution to this.
ever tried Vista?
Not on my own PC no, I went from XP -> Win 7 for very obvious reasons ;)
I have removed/disable all xbox stuff that i can find on windows 10 looooool
It's not the exclusivity so much than the bribing I dislike. If they clean up their act, provide proper service with their store and stop paying people off to sell their games there, I'd be fine with buying games there.
Does it still require you to opt into the preview builds (Insider Program) of Windows? I played through a bit of Metro, but it didn't feel right. Running only Discord and Steam would use up ~50% of my CPU, and games were unplayable because they were constantly throttling my CPU and the gameplay was nothing but input lag and stutters. It wasn't just the PC pass games either. I tried Battlefield V, 7 Days to Die, Minecraft, and even Roblox. Each one of them maxed out my CPU and caused input lag and stutters. I've never had this problem before I updated to preview builds, so I reverted it and am probably going to give up on the PC Pass for now. It's a great deal, but it made every game I tried to play absolutely unplayable. I have it until mid-august, so hopefully it's fixed by then. After reverting everything works fine and there are no issues.
I don't believe you have to opt into all preview builds, only the current preview build so that the app can be installed.
That CPU issue is strange though, not sure why it is happening to you.
Thank Microsoft from saving us from Epic!
Does anyone know how to make desktop shortcuts to the games installed?
Drag and drop from Start Menu?
lol thanks my dude wow I couldnt figure that out xD
I could yell and moan about MS a bit. For starters, their stupid app tells me "Due to a suspension, xbox live features may be limited..." This happened the first day I made the account, after changing my username. But, clicking the link with the message, leads to a website which says my record is perfect. Contacting their automated bot, it also tells me I have no suspension. Trying to get human support does not work at all, just waiting to connect permanently, every time. I've still been able to play all the games I wanted to, because the message seems to be some kind of error, but, not having any way to make it go away irritates me.
Also, that annoying pop-up when launching games, asking for permission to let the publishers access all your data. I hate that. If I say no, it tells me it couldn't sign me in to xbox live, and I won't be able to save my games, so, why even have the pop-up, if it's forced anyway?
Also, had some sound problems with a few games, which could be a problem on my end, but, I couldn't find a solution until I also had the problem with Sunset Overdrive, and the reason I found a fix with that one(enabling windows sonic for headphones, despite me not using headphones) is because google lead me to a steam forums thread, whereas with Crackdown, there doesn't appear to be any forums anywhere.
Obviously, I still prefer Steam over a monthly rental fee, but, for the $1 price, getting to play several games I wanted to, and trying a dozen others to realize I didn't want them as much as I thought I did, it was worth dealing with for a month.
As for Metro Exodus, I just didn't like it as much as the last two. So, I'm glad I got to try it for cheap.
And fuck epic.
Microsoft is doing things right. Hell, Halo and Gears are on Steam. Game pass seems alright. And more of their games are going to come to Steam. I'd be willing to bet that "Project Scarlett" is more of a device than a traditional console.
Epic doesn't really do anything right. They just take choice away.
They (Microsoft) even seem to be leaving the studios they bought alone. Like Complusion, Ninja Theory, Double Fine, Obsidian and InXile. Though, it remains to be seen what will happen after the projects they had already started before the acquisition finish.
I can't install any of the games that have the "Administrator approval required for instalation" and i tried everything to fix it, nothing works
It's infuriating isn't it? 😠
Why hate when we can love?
why love when we can lust?
Haven't got any hate, certainly nothing special towards Microsoft--they've been doing some sweet things lately, but I'm still not sure how I personally feel about this whole "games as a service" thing, or whether I feel comfortable supporting it. I couldn't imagine playing a bunch of games through the service, completing them and getting to really love and cherish them and then having to say bye bye to everything if I end up not being able to afford it anymore. Feels like the service has quite the uncomfortable hook, and once they have a solid subscriber base they will most definitely start slowly hiking up the price as Netflix and other streaming services have done--this time holding video games hostage to keep you. And man for many will it be hard to leave it.
I'd also hate to see these things get so successful that Xbox or Sony for example, decide to have game pass "exclusive" games or "temporary exclusive"/"first to premier" games. The idea might seem far fetched now, but if they're successful enough they'll do it, don't fool yourself. Exclusives are the only thing right now keeping their business model from truly matching that of the tv and film streaming services, and all of the largest players in the industry right now are investing heavily in making this games as a service thing a reality. They know that's where the next huge source of money lies, investors LOVE the idea, and it'll most likely be the "war" of the next gen.
I haven't made my mind up on the matter completely yet though, so I'd be happy to hear some other takes. Maybe I'm missing something.
e: another thing I'd like the point out, is that with the slow death of physical copies and cds, the idea of ownership of games really is starting to degrade. This could be the last nail in the coffin, and with everything digital (and many behind a subscription service) damn do companies have a lot of power over you--enough power for some very greedy business decisions.
Most games I acquire I don't grow to cherish, and I'd be just as happy to never have them available again.
I know plenty of people who have Netflix or Amazon Prime and use it to watch movies for free, use it to purchase digital movies, and then they still purchase DVDs and BluRays.
I think subscription services make sense to most people, who don't mine the endless catalogue of Steam for hidden gems. They just want to play more or less what everybody else is playing. And that's what you'll get on a subscription service.
I also don't see subscription services doing away with Steam or a digital library of "owned" games. They will exist parallel to each other. But it may siphon off enough business from Steam to cull the worst and cheapest games. Meaning, if enough people start spending $10-$25/mo on subscriptions, they might spend that much less on buying games. So, cheap bundles will suffer. And Steam might start getting only a thousand new games every year instead of several thousand.
I'm not keeping my subscription past 2 months, though. I've got my gaming budget/mo, and $10 for a subscription bites into that budget too much.
That's actually a good point. I'm usually pretty against games as a service, but I think you're right, it might actually help quality over time. Never thought about that part before.
to me, it's kinda like renting a home or leasing a car. I prefer the idea of ownership, but I can certainly see the argument for renting
Subscribing to a service (for games or movies you want to play/watch) for a limited time can make alot of sense and can save alot of money if you're ok with not being able to continue playing/watching that stuff after the subscription ends.
I've been subscribed to Origin access for a few months, enjoyed some of their Battlefield games and some others, and it cost alot less than buying those, even considering sale prices.
I guess I'll do the same at some point with either Netflix or Amazon Prime, to watch a list of movies I wanted to see, and then unsubscribe afterwards, hopefully not getting hooked on any currently running series, which would make me delay unsubscribing.
Especially when your time is precious, subscription services for one-time consumable stuff like singleplayer games or movies are actually a good deal, as long as you don't insist of owning the stuff forever.
I just hate Ekaros!
It's still weird to live in a world where Microsoft is somehow less overtly evil than Epic Games.
Still, Microsoft Store is horrible. It still doesn't let you filter games by gamepass, so I have to check lists on 3rd party sites to see what games are in it and then search them in Store... :V
It's not epic, so it's okay