My aunt asked me what laptop she should buy for her daughter (my cousin) who is going to study interior design abroad.
She said that the budget is around IDR 10-20 million (USD 700-1400). I'm aware with that amount, we can get pretty high end gaming laptop.

But knowing that my cousin is not really a big fan of PC gaming, I don't want to recommend an overkill laptop.

So, what is the recommended requirement for interior design. Do we need fast processor, or more focus in graphic card?
Do we need core i7 / ryzen 7 or is it overkill and useless for her?
Should we go for Intel or Ryzen? As I heard that Ryzen is better in multithreading, meanwhile Intel is better in singlethreading.
Is GTX1050 enough, or should we go GTX1660 and maybe even higher?

I'm thinking Asus TUF FX505DD-R5581T with Ryzen 5 3350H and GTX1050 3GB is already good enough.
Or should we go for ASUS TUF FX505DU-R7666T with Ryzen 7 3750H and GTX1660Ti-6GB. This one costs 50% more than the former one.

NB: I'm not asking for a particular brand/model as we may looking around and find other brand but with similar performance.

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I am not expert at all but as far as i know, architect programs are heavy as f*ck. I don't think it would be overkill, especially if she uses it frequently because render times will be a pain in the a+s.

Don't forget to put a good amount of ram (pref. >=32 GB), graphic cards and processor are both important but i don't know brands too much :/

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architect programs are heavy as f*ck

Is it? I don't know much about that field of job. But from my perspective, I'm working as a programmer and I don't see much different in speed for my Core-i5 PC against Core-i3 of my office PC. So I kind of getting impression that Core-i7 and above are only needed for heavy video rendering or computational task such as analyzing big data.

For RAM, I do think that 16GB is a minimum, so if the laptop comes with 8GB, then we will upgrade it to 16GB. If the laptop already comes with 16GB, we may wait and see if we need additional 16GB.

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Core-i7 and above are only needed for heavy video rendering

Here is the thing tho, she will probably create a lot of 3D indoor environments and it is heavier than video rendering.

I currently have 16 GB ram for after effects, and it is not enough. Professionals are using 128GB+ rams, so 32 GB ram is still low for this kind of job actually. I am not saying 16GB is impossible to work with, but she would appreciate more than 16 if she works frequently.

I think you should ask her(secretly) if she really planning to use it for her school, or if she going to watch movies or browse social media. If she is serious about working, believe me it is not overkill.

Lastly, i think you should ask in reddit/architect (or sth like this), because it will be more accurate than here.

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Email the head of her course/programme as they will be able to tell you exactly what she needs. We can only guess.

I'm a graphic designer, but have also done Multimedia as an add on to my Vis Comm degree which included using Adobe Premier, After Effects, Media 100, Final Cut Pro and so on. We had to work in a number of different apps. Now, for the more intensive stuff, we had our own personal lab machines (I had two pretty powerful macs in my space, all to myself). It really depends on the university and the resources that are available to students.

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multithreading is important in this case

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So I guess Ryzen is better for this?

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i would think so but definitly don't skimp on ram like jfmugen said

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Atleast in my country, there exists cheap non-gamer laptops with beefy RAM and CPU specs. They are called Acer Swift 3, you can get Ryzen 7 + 1TB SSD + 16GB for $800, don't know about prices in India though.

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Thanks for the info
The graphic card seems pretty low specs. And I can't find 1TB SSD in their store page

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Might have gotten it wrong, but 512GB should be enough anyways. The GPU shouldn't make a different in this case, but I'd consult the place she will be studying for a better explanation.

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I cannot stress how much you should ignore his advise. I've been doing 3D for 15 years, and you do NOT want a laptop without a good GPU for anything involving 3D work.

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So from my perspective(Architect) in interior design they will render different images a lot. So in Interior design best pc specs is always apreciated.
3Dmax or any other software for rendering works better with multithreding so i would suggest Ryzen overall (tho i am using intel processors). In terms of kind of Ryzen i would suggest Ryzen 7.
I cant sugest any Graphics card because better card will give you more performance and faster rendering.
Crucial point in Graphics card is amount of ram on it. 3gb is minimum but i would suggest 4gb as a nice amount while 6gb would be a perfect amount to create a nice scene with good amount of objects.
In my opinion GTX 1050TI will lack some performance so i will suggest GTX1660TI or regular GTX1660.
In terms of RAM 16gb will be more than enought. Because have low influence in rendering.
So my suggestion will be:
Ryzen 7
GTX 1660TI
16GB of RAM
SSD (256gb or more)
And optional HDD for 1tb or more.
In future i will suggest buying and external HDD for models and textures (because they weight A LOT. HELL OF A LOT).
Here is a nice article about CPU and GPU rendering. https://td-u.com/cpu-vs-gpu-renderer-which-is-better/
And it will be worth asking if she need a powerfull laptop that will work as rendering station or a slim laptop that will be light but mediocore powerfull.

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Nice detail suggestion.

That's pretty much of ASUS TUF FX505DU-R7666T specs I wrote above. Except for RAM which we need to buy another 8GB stick.
I just asked my acquaintance who has a shop, he said that he can contact his distributor to upgrade the RAM without voiding the warranty, which is nice.

And also thanks for the article.

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Checked that laptop and only con i found is its weight(. But its ok for that specs.

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Definitely don't get something ridiculously overpowered

Totally agree with you. It'll just a waste of money if you can't utilize most of the performance.
And if she somehow needs it in the long future, better to buy new machine that time, not now.

But then again, if we buy too low specs, she'll just wasting time waiting the PC to do its job which good PC can save a lot of time.

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I doubt the GPU is very important. Since she'll presumably be carrying the laptop around a lot, I'd focus more on weight/portability. Maybe a Dell XPS 13 or similar. It's also worth asking whether Macs or PCs are preferred for her program, as some are very Mac centric.

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Nope. Almost all of them are PC centric. And for price of semi powerfull mac you can more powerfull windows laptop.

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Is she going to be studying at a school / college / university? If so, check with them - they may have a spec they recommend, and you could base it off of that.

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This didn't cross my mind.
I'll ask her right away.

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Also, if she wants to learn/use real time architectural visualization, more exactly lo use software like Unreal Engine 4, Twinmotion, etc, maybe a video card with ray tracing capabilities would be great,

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you should definetly find out which tools she's going to use and have a look at their websites for hardware recommendations... there's absolutely no worth in asking in a forum like this instead of doing proper research.

just have a look at the currently existing comments, those are even 100% opposing.. you simply have to do your own research since this is a very specific section...

from what i can offer to this: We do a lot of CAD work, which i think might be quite close from the type of software (but i can be completely wrong) and consumer grade GPUs are worth close to nothing... we tested a 1080Ti and a Titan Xp in Catia V5 and Siemens NX since we were sponsored by NV for a university ai project.... both were doing way worse than an old Quadro K2000.

that said: if you want to do your cousin a favor, do proper research on her tools and try to find something that suits those.

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This. There's so much variance here that I would hesitate to recommend a single product in that price range. Her program should have a person to reach out to or some recommend specifications on their program website. Picking up the wrong GPU (consumer vs workstation) could render the laptop near useless.

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Indeed, I do my own research in other websites and ask some of my relatives who work in this industry too.
I ask here to get more insight and different point of views.

And you're right, most said 8GB is minimum and 16GB is recommended, but here JFMugen said 16GB is not enough.
Some said high end graphic card is recommended, but here some said GPU is not that important.

do proper research on her tools and try to find something that suits those

And it is also what I'm looking for from this thread.

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Looks like you purchased the laptop, I hope it goes well!

To be clear, I wasn't trying to be rude with this post. I was trying to indicate we didn't have enough information to make a proper recommendation. If we knew where she was going to study and what programs she was going to be using, we'd be able to look up what those programs would work best with given your budget. But with just the information you provided, we could easily end up recommending you the wrong device for your needs. My apologies if this came off differently.

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I wasn't trying to be rude with this post. My apologies if this came off differently.

No problem, I don't think you were being rude.

If we knew where she was going to study and what programs she was going to be using.

Oh I just realize I haven't wrote about the country she'll be going. She'll going to Malaysia. We still don't know what software they are going to use, so I'm asking about the recommended specs that can be used for general interior design.

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For graphics-intensive stuff, a system with its own dedicated graphics card will generally perform better vs. an on-board graphics chip.

More stuff:

https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/learn-with-crucial/about-graphic-design/mac-vs-pc-for-graphic-design

Hope this helps!

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You will want at least 32GB of RAM and at least a Geforce 2060 or better for the GPU (the raytracing tech can significantly improve performance in certain instances, such as most GPU-bound renderers like Octane, or texture baking if she needs to realtime-presentable scenes). If using CAD or Solidworks you'll probably want to consider a workstation (Quadro) GPU instead (mostly due to improved float point performance).

For the CPU, if you can get a laptop with the brand new Ryzen 4000 series then go for one of those, otherwise stick to Intel. In general latop CPUs aren't great for rendering and she'll probably be using the GPU for that instead (thankfully GPU based rendering has come a long way in the last few years).

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Thanks guys for all the input.

We've just bought the laptop.
I'll leave this thread open until the giveaway is over.

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So did the uni / program give you spec recommendations? What did you end up buying? Out of curiosity.

I remember using CAD on an old computer and the rendering times were sh*t.

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No, they don't. She said that the college still has not said anything about what to bring etc. Quite contrary with my sister who went to college in Chinese (Glad she came home a week before Corona outbreak).

We ended up with ASUS TUF FX505DU-R7666T, Ryzen 7 3750H, GTX1660Ti-6GB, and added an extra 8GB RAM stick.
I hope it is enough for a while, at least until she has a job and need more performance for bigger project.

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