Thinking of what I should go for. Going to be gaming only.
Looked at benchmarks, but still can't choose.
Want something that will give me good performance, and will last for a long time.

Edit: If intel, what motherboard would you recommend? Don't want to throw too much money at it.

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What would be better, Intel 8600K vs Ryzen 5 1600

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Look at the complete price of a system. Cost of the motherboard with the features you need (OC), HSF, etc.
I personally would go for a Ryzen.

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I've got myself this and so far enjoying it, paid 1200€

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Very good value made similar build for my friend he is very satisfied money and performance wise

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For those two, performance wise for gaming, Intel of course.
Then again Ryzen system is cheaper, but if price is not an issue you might even go for I7 8700K

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Well that's a very expensive cpu ,also you need a good mobo to go with it

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Nothing is expensive if the price is not an issue.

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Valid argument.

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intel all the waaaay

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Combining both actual ingame performance, longevity of the chip (and underlying platform) and price to some extent, then intel is the better choice. (And only choose the K if you want to overclock it, which is best done with an aftermarket cooler for longevity sake)

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I agree if you have the money get i7 if not get ryzen 1600or 1600x I believe i3 and i5 not worth it anymore for games

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this thing about i5 not worth it, is very depentent, look at i5 8400 for now (shows pretty good fps in games) O.F.C depends on GPU and game's optimization
Thank you, AMD, for post-quad core consumer CPUs!

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i think the new i5 has 6 cores, thats a good thing, 4 its not future safe anymore

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking, just your wording made to comment :D
"...I believe i3 and i5 not worth it anymore for games..."

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"Combining both actual ingame performance, longevity of the chip (and underlying platform) and price to some extent, then intel is the better choice." What? Intel changes socket every year. Price? Ingame Performance?

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It doesn't matter if you pick Intel or AMD for longevity, when you update, you need to buy a hole new system.

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Just cause they change sockets doesn't mean you can't keep using it. Longevity in this case meaning better build quality from what I've seen. Anecdotal evidence sure, but no reason to discount it. Especially if you can't afford upgrading every year, you want a chip you can overclock and still get enough years out of before it would break down.

Not sure what you mean with the rest of the comments. Ingame performance with an overclocked intel chip beats the comparing amd chip.

If you look at price per performance, then AMD is cheaper. But I'm personally a fan of build quality and not having to upgrade after a year to be able to keep up since in the long run that evens out the initial price difference.

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Better quality build from what you seen. So what you seen exactly? Where did you found that information? Thermal paste, so much quality build. If you overclock you need to buy a beeter cooler and more powerfull power supply, it's not like you overclock because your cpu is becoming old. Overclocking is for enthusiast mostly.

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It's obvious you disagree, but so far you haven't given any reasons for amd being better to make this a worthwhile discussion. It's easy shooting at someone's arguments without supplying your own, especially if you play the 'fanboy' card in another post. I guess I'll stop posting after this: enjoy dissecting it and stating I'm wrong and AMD is better. I'll leave the conclusion up to whomever accidentally reads this.

To respond to what you've mentioned, it might be anecdotal but so far amd's track record with the pc's I've seen built by anyone has been that they have stability and compatibility issues, mostly RAM so far. So it seems they fixed their old overheating issues, well done, but have some new issue to tackle. Not convincing with regards to build quality and testing-methods. Oh, and intel wins with singlecore performance which is still most important for a lot of games. That doesn't quite match with what ryzen is built around.

'Overclocking being for enthusiasts', that's how it used to be in the past, not really true anymore today. it's a viable way to get extra performance without going for a more expensive card and to avoid 'having to upgrade' too fast. With a proper overlock after a while you can still keep an older cpu longer to play new games at decent settings. Saves money in the longterm by using a cpu longer, you don't need an actually expensive cooler or insane psu for that.

My two cents remain:
If the main concern is saving money right now, regardless of anything else: then go amd.
If you want to save money in the longterm and/or have better performance go intel.

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So say I'm not supplying arguments, and you noticved that I'm using "fanboy card" in another post, but you didn't noticed that I also said in the same post this "you have more core and threads for the same price, you have less power consumption and its an investment for the future because the socket will remain the same for years." My english is not fluent so I have a probem to say everything I want in a proper way. So, please read what user talgaby said in posts bellow. I wish you to have a good time.

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this states Ryzen 5 1600 has about 10% higher value for performance

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If it's purely for gaming then Intel is the way to go.

If you're not going to overclock an i5-8400 is a way better choice imo. And if money isn't an issue i would personaly go for a 8700K instead.

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One major disadvantage is that ryzen needs fast memory modules above 2800mhz or your gaming performance will suffer at least on 1080p . Those modules cost more and may need some tweaking to work properly.

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Do you own an r9 290 ? If yes you know the true meaning of pain and frustration

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I only see here just a lot of Intel fanboys or people than "heard from someone" that Intel > AMD. Ryzen CPUs beats Intel on almost every aspect. you have more core and threads for the same price, you have less power consumption and its an investment for the future because the socket will remain the same for years. Ryzen all the way.

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Please don't play the fan boycard it will not end well and you know it . I like ryzen too and I am excited about the future of the platform see threadripper

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yeah nice arguments.

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Ok cool down buddy I mean no trouble, have a good day

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have a good time

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You are comparing a 300 USD+ CPU for Intel and the 250 USD category of the current AMD. Interesting picks, to say the least.

A system with that AMD CPU will be cheaper since it runs cooler and motherboards are already in the decent price range. Not to mention that you do not need the absolute spiffiest chipset to actually overclock it, if you want to, unlike with Intel's practises.
Also, if you ge

The Intel system with a 8600K should be great for any kind of work you throw at it, but it will not be that much better at anything as the additional cost would indicate.
Also, if you go that route, get a decent aftermarket cooler for it. Intel's stock coolers have decent-ish performance, but you can hear them from the next room.

If you want purely for gaming and nothing else, AMD is, as always, a better pick, since it can give the same game performance for a lot less money.
If you want to do other stuff, especially CPU-intensive stuff, then you may think about the Intel one, but in that case you really should get more money and buy a 8700/8700K.

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I agree on everything but don't forget you need fast and expensive memory for ryzen to trully shine
Also how about threadripper?

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I think it's time to talk about the elephant in the room and ask you about your budget.
It makes to sense to pick one between those 2 CPUs if we have no clue if you're going to build a $500 PC with a secondhand GTX 960 or if you're going to build a $2500 PC with a GTX 1080 SLI

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best comment so far +1

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Threadripper, I have no idea why it is marketed as a gaming CPU. It is as much of a high-grade workstation CPU as it can get without threading into server-grade category. No game in existence can use 32 threads… heck, majority can use maybe 4 at best.

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very good single threaded performance maybe?

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Erm, not really, those are usually mutually exclusive: you either get a really strong core for one thread, but putting 16 together needs a large die/tons of power/ridiculous cooling. This is why even Intel downclocks its server-grade CPUs, despite having the same chips in them as the gaming-grade CPUs.

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Easy, it's for those hardcore gamers who play 8 games at the same time, of course 🙃👀

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pc master race finest

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fully agree

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Agreed. My personal opinion is that since games don't really use CPU all that much, Ryzen is a better choice in this scenario due to the price. I'd consider buying the more expensive one only if the PC is used for rendering or programming and similar jobs.

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Ryzen 7 1700 OC to 3.8 GHz

8 cores/16 threads vs 6 cores/6 threads. You should also check the prices for each motherboard.

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on air or water? can you specify motherboard?

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Pretty sure it can be OC'd to 3.8 with the stock cooler, but there are factors that could cancel that out, like a case with bad air flow, or low rpm case fans that don't produce enough CFM. Above 3.8 is where you'll want to get an aftermarket cooler.

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wraith cooler it is not bad at all a bit noisy for my taste

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Mine's nice and silent. Only fans I ever hear are my case fans, and well, they're barely noticeable unless I crank up the rpm.

Edit: Ofc, I haven't overclocked my Ryzen, not sure how much difference that makes in fan noise.

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do you have a good case? also what memory modules do you use?

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I have a Phanteks P400S TG, all air cooled, 4x DeepCool TF120's. Only running 8GB ddr4 2400 right now, because of budget restrictions when building, but it runs well. Paired up with a Sapphire RX 580 Nitro+ 4GB. Graphics cards (Nvidia or AMD) have been insanely priced in Canada, or at least while I was searching, so I jumped on the first good deal I could find after weeks of searching. Aside from the 4GB VRAM limit hurting in some rare instance on Ultra settings for new games like Let's say, Ghost Recon Wildlands, everything games good by my standards. Wildlands tends to be one of the lowest fps games in benchmarks I see though, along with The Division and Ashes of the Singularity, but still, my results turned out good for me.

As you can see, Ultra suffers cause of VRAM, but still, game looks great on Very High with Ultra Textures. As for how much RAM frequency makes a difference, hard to say. To my understanding, it makes more difference in higher end rigs, while more mid tier like mine is little difference. But yah, will upgrade to 16GB of 3000 once I find good sales, or prices drop.

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better get 16gb 3200mhz with lowest cl possible, also resident evil 7 is one of those vram hungry games
most important you should wait for a ram upgrade ddr4 prices already reached the skies.

you gpu is good for 2 years more at least, even on 1440p

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Air. You can overclock it a little more like in this review but you'll have to rise the voltage a lot and you need a better cooler. Not worth the effort/investment for 200 MHz.

can you specify motherboard?

I think any MB with a B350 chipset should be enough.

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those are cheap too

used this one for a friends build
ASUS PRIME B350

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I've not seen benchmarks for the coffee lake stuff yet, but... My guess would be that Intel will provide better fps in gaming. Now does that mean it's the best choice? Well that comes down to you. Personally I'm using Ryzen now, only a 1500X, but I'm quite happy with it's performance so far. Getting 60fps at 1080p is all I really care about. Anything above and beyond is just a bonus.

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I'm gaming very well on my Pentium G4560 lol

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It also depends where you live. Usually Intel has better prices if you are from US, but in certain countries they become too expensive. AMD's target are people who live outside US and UK, because Intel is usually more expensive (but it's worth the money)

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This is very true. As an example, when I was shopping for a 1500X, i5 7400's were about $80 more expensive for me. Live in Canada.

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I wish AMD got back on their feet when I was buying my current PC. Well, I guess I should be happy that they managed to get back into mainstream at all. There was a long while when it looked like they would only be competitive in the GPU and servers part of the market.

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I would go with the AMD system. While the Intel has more performance, AMD has the better bang for the buck. Also, AMD's AM4 Chipset should be used for the next few years making upgrading later very easy.

And I have read that the new Intel is running way hot. Kinda like they rushed it out as an answer to Ryzen similar to how AMD did trying to with the last AMD-FX series.

Basically, if money is no object, enjoy an Intel, if you actually have bills to worry about, go AMD.

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just compare the price for 8600k + motherboard with ryzen 1600 or better + B350 motherboard (overclockable)
and you'll probably could get a Ryzen 1700 + B350 mobo cheaper ...

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Get ryzen 5 + a good b350 mobo and put the saved money on a gtx 1070

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I'd recommend Intel, but for a completely different reason: Customer support. Intel's support is WAY superior.

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why would u ever need that? thats not a valid reason whatsoever

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What.. are you being serious? Havn't you ever had to depend on customer support in your life? You reply is really weird.

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absolutely never,I've studied at school about hardware and software,I've been building all my PCs the past over 7 years,never once did I have to use customer support,not from Nvidia or Intel,or AMD or even Windows support,never,not even ONCE,I figure the problems on my own,if I get in a place where I'm not certain there are forums around the internet that can give you 50 times more adequate help compared to intels or amds support.

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I've never needed customer support for a CPU...

Intel Extreme Tuning Utility is very nice though: I wonder if AMD has something as good (notably, I like being able to tweak frequencies, tensions, etc)

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Ryzen master.

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before you will run into cpu limit with ryzen you will run into gpu limit. so don't buy the intel cpu.

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so my suggestion,Ryzen are all good 6 cores 12 threads,but can only go up to like 4-4.1GHz,IPC wise at the same clocks ryzen runs about 4% slower,but then again the i5 is 6 cores 6 threads,so if you're planning on things heavier than just gaming the ryzen would be the better choice,but if you're just going to be gaming the i5 will offer better experience,then when it comes down to pricing...yeah building a ryzen system is cheaper since you can OC on B350 motherboards,albeit the lower quality components you should still be fine with a b350 mobo for years to come,also AMD have said that they're going to be using the AM4 socket until atleast 2020,so you will be able to buy at least the next 2 gens of AMD CPUs and put them on the same mobo,and Ryzen 2 will probably not add new cores,rather they'll work on the performance on the new one,I expect Ryzen 2 to be able to reach 4.5GHz,then on Intels side...well...they tend to swap mobos like every gen nowadays...but idk,your choice dude, I personally recommend AMD at this point,price/performance wise plus the promises AMD have given about AM4,yeah my money went into a Ryzen,and I regret nothing

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Based on the benchmarks I've seen, the Intel 8600K consistently performs better. And it has a far better single core performance, for applications where this matters (like if you want to play Dwarf Fortress). That said, your processor is generally not the limiting factor in a gaming rig, it's the graphics card, so getting a better graphics card is, within reason, better than getting a better processor.
If you're set on either one of those, and price is not an issue, go with the 8600K.
If price is an issue (and let's face it, for most of us, it is), the Ryzen is an attractive choice. Though prices vary a lot by region, so you should look around to see how big of a difference it is where you live. If the difference is like 10%, then go with the intel, but more than that, and the Ryzen starts to become an attractive choice. But getting a good graphics card is the most important part of most gaming rigs.

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Also, from what I have read about the newer Intel, while better in performance, it also runs very hot like they tried to rush it out the door like AMD with their last AMD-FX lines before they stopped.

You pay for that performance premium.

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I built my new PC with a Ryzen and couldn't be happier, don't look at it from a number perspective because 5% or 10% better in some games does not translate in worth investing more in one than the other. Go with what is cheaper where you live because both of them are solid and also the memory thing, even if you go for Intel because you can go with slower memory, who would actually buy 2133mhz ram instead of at least 3000...

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Nothing wrong with AMD, but Intel is the king of the CPU market. Their CPU's tend to perform better (especially when overclocked) and have the most compatibility with today's software - ESPECIALLY games. You can be perfectly happy with AMD, and it will probably cost you less money, but if you want a CPU that will perform better under stress and have fewer problems with very specific cases of software, then Intel is your safest and best bet.

I'm running an Intel i7 with an AMD r9 280x so it's not like I'm anti-AMD in any way. :p

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For pure gaming Intel beats the shit out of AMD, because of better singlecore performance. Most of the games are fully utilizing just 4 threads or so.

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Don't exagerate, most game are on par since the Ryzen got a lot of bios updates and can run faster memory. Other than some games that where designed specifically for Intel like GTA V most games benchmark look pretty much the same. Some are won by Ryzen, some by Intel but in no way one "beats the shit" out of the other.

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