This is not an actual problem, mankind history, doesn't matter the tags, and mankind will need other 1M years (and is more probable we extinct killing each other before anything else) to take a cultural evolve, is hard to admit this is the world, but once you get to use it, is a bit easier to know we will die before mankind became really HUMAN.
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We have a song. "People arent that bad, but mankind is terrible."
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well keep in mind that there are high courts in place that might not agree with these decisions
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Truth is, this will continue to happen worldwide, for any reason (not just gender) simply because people are brought up to fear what's different. just because it's different.
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Have you seen "The adventures of Florida man"?
Sad, but funny.
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The "Sex with an alligator" ones make me laugh every time.
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I was completely oblivious to the Florida man until this post, but having googled this, I love it.
What I liked most was the article saying is was a hoax and concluding with "The mugshot ... is actually that of an Illinois man ... who was found guilty of sexually assaulting a peacock".
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As someone who lives in Florida, those aren't even exaggerations lol. I can't wait to move soon.
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Where do you want to move?
If you can still laugh, there's a bunch here:
http://floridamanandwoman.tumblr.com/
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I'm saving to move to Colorado in about a year
I remember seeing the bouncy house one on the news lol
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I liked Colorado, there's quite a bit of natural diversity. So it's great for hiking and stuff.
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No idea. It's not a great chart, but still funny.
Of course some state is going to be the one that most googles any question, either per capita or in total. They just picked weird questions and checked. They are not the most searched question in each state, just the state that most searches it.
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Missed all the dramatized fishing boat shows on Discovery etc... Channel ? :)
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Seeing how California is the most populated state, that seems reasonable.
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"Questions each state Googles more frequently than any other state."
"How to Google something?"
Okay.
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Just remember, Trump voters are now trying very hard to kill themselves with repeal and replace/delay. Some towns won't have anyone left to use any bathrooms so you can just wander into any at your leisure.
But on a more serious note. Change takes time, be it discrimination on religion, race, gender. Nothing can stop a society from changing, or we would all still be running around in sheets trying to stone each other to death. There are still plenty of -isms, but we are ever evolving.
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hmm, I don't think fk america, I think just fk the backward-thinking people that seem to be dominating the news lately...
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The one thing I have learned is that an American really should not follow the news from within their own country. It's all very polarising, creating tension, dislike, rifts, hate.
As a European going to the US and turning on the TV is such a shock. Fox shouting opinions one way, CNN shouting opinions the other way. And that's just the top tiers of the news, the feuding happens at all echelons, from the billion dollar TV stations all the way down to the local 1 sheet newsletter for Hickville.
The "funniest" is comparing CNN to CNN International, here in Europe we get all kinds of news on CNN, in the US it's just a constant barrage of opinion, party rhetoric, 'look what Trump did now' on a constant repeating loop.
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I agree, the news just lies to people and for some reason they believe whatever the news tells them.
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the most entertaining thing I've come across on the internet are the comments to articles on foxnews.
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Problem is that what you're seeing down to the local news level isn't really local problems, it's being made into them through powerful, wealthy, and insidious ideologues. Another example would be the Koch bros along with other industrialists creating a "grassroots" movement. Funny things is the alt-right in Europe is accusing George Soros of the same thing. It's all a distraction from the wealth gap and class war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvtNyOzGogc
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Trump banned transgender people in the Military
Well you can view the positive side: that's now a guaranteed way to escape the draft. I surely don't want to join the military, and I'd be happy to be "undraftable". I just don't like getting killed for some reason 👀🙃
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And sports are allowing trans-gender competitors more and more, so winning a medal just got slightly easier, no need to run the gauntlet for a Purple Heart, just run the 100 meters for an Olympic Gold...
(okay, it might be slightly more difficult than that)
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It isn't really a problem no, depending on the time between the transition and the event. The change isn't instant after all.
Even when all things are equal it could remain a problem, just like a blade runner joining the regular events, people that want to see a difference will still see a problem, no matter how much science says there is none.
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It isn't a myth, there have been several competitions where once they allowed trans-women into the women-only competition, they dominated.
The advantages of male bone structure and muscle density don't disappear with the hormones. even long term. The whole point of having women-only events is to give them a chance to compete. You can see how even top female tennis players can't compete with mid range male ones, and that sport isn't as much about strength as other ones are.
Inclusivity aside, we shouldn't pretend that there is no advantage to having a male body in a physical activity.
On the other, funnier end, the only really competitive/pro woman Starcraft 2 player was trans, but there the advantage is probably more cultural than biological.
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Do your homework.
Source: Personal experience...
what kind of homework is that...
I disagree...do you have an actual source?
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Yes but you can't demand people do their homework and don't provide any information or sources apart from personal experience.
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Not really.
That's what's referred to as anecdotal evidence.
But sure, I can express things more clearly for you, eventually, your musculature can change, not your bone structure (that;s what I meant). To what degree that happens, there isn't enough research to support your hypothesis that a trans woman will not have any residual advantages over a "regular woman". If you can fundament that hypothesis, do point me to the study because I've yet to see it.
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as I'm already blacklisted I can tell you your "anecdotal evidence" carries exactly as much weight as "no evidence" xD
Cheers.
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You are right, I'm stating my conclusions without citing sources, but I am also not trying to prove that something is simply a myth,
As far as the burden of proof is concerned, that lies on the side that made the positive statement, not the side that invited it to provide evidence. Generally, anecdotes don't count as evidence.
Like I said, no evidence I've seen yet supports you or any other trans woman having the same or lesser strength than that of a "regular woman" (or whichever term you would like to use) even after years of hormone treatment. The articles of people having a harder time "bulking up" or generally performing, after the transition, don't go far enough to support that there are no remanent advantages to having developed as a male for most of one's life. But, again, if you have conclusive evidence that that is the case, I would love to see it and be "educated". I would like to have the correct information/facts whenever possible.
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Ask scientists who study the bones of the dead, and they will tell you that bone structure varies hugely, and does not fall neatly into discrete male and female categories, particularly when you take into account diversity of populations around the world.https://www.hindawi.com/journals/janthro/2015/908535/ Even allowing for general trends such as pelvic width, there is evidence that this does not result in efficiency differences in running, etc http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0118903 As far as "regular woman" goes, the further up the scale of althletics you progress, the less "regular" people become, whether cis or trans, and Trans men like Chris Mosier are able to successfully compete against cis men, despite the theoretical advantages you pose above. At lower levels... I'd just rather people got the chance to take part in sport, whatever their gender or physical difference.
(Also, the military ban and the language around it is awful.)
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I mean, you still have to sign up for ss if you're born male, and theoretically it could be used again, though I don't see that being the case.
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theoretically it could be used again
Exactly
Edit: well I just stumbled upon that on my FB timeline: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/07/26/trumps-lgbt-supporters-defend-him-after-surprise-military-transgender-ban/
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Born female, too. At least, possibly. The ASC has tabled a proposition to add women to the list. Might not be this year, might not be next, but don't think it won't ever happen.
Hell, it wouldn't surprise me that the next D in office will repeal the Trans-Mil ban and throw trans-folks onto the SS roster as well. Kinda makes sense for everyone to have to register. Equality cuts both ways.
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True, but in the case of war the draft may be reinstated.
But with the case of more and more people being banned from the military there will be less and less people qualified or allowed in. Trump is going to reverse the ban on gays next and ban Mexicans, Middle Easterns, African Americans and anyone else that's not blonde haired and blue eyed. AKA American Aryan's.
Make Amerikkka white again was Trumps REAL motive all the time.
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of all the complaints I have against trump, the draft isn't one of them.
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Fk us, we humans. I hope earth will recover quickly after we have perished. We are nothing but evil. We torment everything, ourselves, our children, animals, and this planet... yes I am a misanthrope indeed.
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theonly bonus there is the military ban. the rest are terrible choices, going back decades after so much fighting...
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Well, the military ban is just currency. Trump just did a 180 on the LGBT community, who he said he supported, to use the new ban as a bribe to win votes from the 9 Republicans that voted against the BCRA.
(He said it was decided after long deliberation with the Army, although the Pentagon stated not knowing anything about it...)
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Trump just did a 180
well big surprise xD...I wonder if there is still a topic Trump hasn't had two completely opposing positions on.
edit: maybe that he is bigly awesome or something xD
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No he didn't really, It was pretty obvois he never suported lgbt rights.
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it was pretty obvious that he was full of shit from day one. Anyone dumb enough to believe him deserves what they get. unfortunately, plenty of people who aren't idiots will also get shafted
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Trump was pro-abortion, I mean he's on record as wanting Tiffany to be aborted. He was okay with gay people up until recently. I mean yeah he's full of shit.
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I think you should be glad that you live in the US. The condition in there is not the best of course, but there are worse places in the world. In some parts of the world, someone could get stabbed, whipped or even beheaded for being gay/lesbian/transgender and there would be very little to no uproar. At least in the US you'll have people who strongly supports you. There will most likely never exist a place without discrimination, but you can at the very least take solace in the fact that you live in a decent enough country with a lot of people who are willing to support you and your community.
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Yeah, the recent purge in Chechnya is a terrible example :(
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This
I have a lot of critiques about our home country, too, but its tolerance of people from all walks of life is certainly not one of them. Even though it has a long way to go before it has earned the moniker "land of the free" it's still worth remembering how privileged many of us are here.
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sorry but I disagree...
the fact that the situation is even worse in other countries doesn't make the situation in your country any better.
I see what you mean...and most certainly agree that a lot of countries need to go a long way in terms of acceptance.
But the argument that you should be glad you don't have it as bad as others is deeply flawed and kind of undermines the struggles they go through.
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I agree with you, and I respect your opinion. Someone else having it worse doesn't make your situation better. But I didn't say what I said to justify or discount the struggles of those affected, I meant it as more of a 'let's see the good in bad' thing. I'm affected by these things too - but I guess I'm just too much of an optimist sometimes. I keep trying my best to see the best in things. I apologize if I came off as insensitive. Your emotions are always valid, no matter if someone has it worse than you or not.
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I apologize if I came off as insensitive
I don't think you did...
I just wanted to point out the flaw in the argument as I heard it on a lot of topics and it just bugs me
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I don't understand how people complain that they don't have enough rights, when we have many rights that people in other countries would die to have. A woman could be killed for showing her ankles or not wearing a proper head garment. Women flee from their countries to obtain an EDUCATION. You could have a limit to the number of children you're allowed to produce. You should be glad that you're not treated as an object and more as a person. Yeah, America isn't the BEST it could be, and it's got a lot of manipulative liars, but at least we can act and change things for the better. We won't be legally stoned or decapitated for speaking out as a group.
I'd say America has come pretty far, from the abolishment of slavery, voting rights, gay marriage, and other various privileges that you wouldn't have if you lived in a different country.
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I don't understand how people complain that they don't have enough rights, when we have many rights that people in other countries would die to have
Because if we wait for all other countries to catch up there will be no progress. Do you want to wait for North Korea to allow gay marriage before we try to improve our societes further?
If you feel there is something wrong in the society you live in...complain and protest...thats how we advance
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Yeah, America isn't the BEST it could be, and it's got a lot of manipulative liars, but at least we can act and change things for the better. We won't be legally stoned or decapitated for speaking out as a group.
I agree with you, if the person/people is actively trying to change things. Doing something about it helps, but just complaining about it doesn't help. Protesting, filing actual complaints, and writing letters to Congress help. Complaining on an online message board doesn't do justice to the problem at hand, if people truly consider it a problem.
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I'm not doing this instead of protesting, I'm gonna protest too, but I also just use this site to vent, plus I can bring these news stories to attention, 'cause besides the military ban I doubt many others would learn of them.
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I mean, if it gets you out of the draft, I'd consider it a +1.
Also, glad to see that you are protesting and whatever you need to do to help improve your style of living. I'm just sick of seeing people that complain about how bad things are, then just making a Tumblr post or doing nothing about it.
I know a few person that are trans, only one of them is completely insane and should seek serious mental help. Not because she is trans, but because she is just a terrible human being and wished an expecting mother to have a miscarriage for trying to get her fired for being bad at her job.
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yeah ofc this thread will change nothing...but the threads about how steam screws us with region locks and new gifting policies do nothing either xD...we just exchange opinions here
and this topic brings out very strong opinions I feel ^^
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I mean, the fact that other people are in worse positions doesn't make me safer.
And I don't think that because some place people don't have any right, I should feel lucky that I'm only missing a few basic rights.
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as someone living in a third world country, meh, thats nothing lel
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Many people do not realize that the US is in large parts a 3rd world country.
Having to work 2 or 3 jobs and still not being able to afford a suitable home and having to rely on food stamps to feed your family is a reality for more people than most of us know. Then there is Healthcare, Infrastructure, Education. People are familiar with prestige projects, but it's not about what a country likes to flaunt that determines who they are, it's what they try to hide that tells the true story.
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I would argue that Gender isn't binary because 1.) Identity is unique to the self, so if you yourself don't identify as part of the binary then obviously don't identify that way. and 2.) Expression is how you present to society and how it views you. Because androgyny is a thing, society does not view every one on that binary, some people are viewed as both or neither.
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Honest question, based on your previous statement.
Would you consider Race to be binary? If so, why?
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No? Iv'e never even seen race to be claimed to be only 2. Also race is is more based on society than genetics. Like here we have the one drop rule, where you're not considered white if you have like any other race in you.
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Can you choose your race?
Because to me, that seems the same as the gender argument and the last time some lady said she identified as black there was a witch hunt.
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Some can? I could Identify as Native American, African American or Biracial.
But yeah, you don't really pick your race or gender.
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Yeah, I feel like it should be all or nothing really.
If you can choose your gender, I don't see why choosing your race would be wrong.
So I didn't get that outrage.
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you can't really choose your race. if you're born from specific parents, you're then bound to that specific race. it might be a mix of two or more, sure. but you can't choose that. and as far as i understand, it's the same with gender. trans people don't feel they have a choice. i think. can't say i know all too much about this.
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It would be lovely if everybody had to get one of those Ancestry DNA tests just to show how mixed we all are.
But that can never happen, we fear DNA because it could potentially be used against us by government, insurance, medical, discrimination based on purity...etc etc.
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Isn't that confusing "gender" with "identity," though? Identity is much more complex than gender.
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It is as if you didn't read what I wrote. If A is part of B, they are necessarily two different things.
Have you had a chance to read my request? I see you haven't acted on it, yet.
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I mean, gender identity is a part of identity as a whole, but yes different than just identity itself.I don't see how my argumet is confusing the two.
And,yeah, I jut got home and had to walk the dog, it'll be gone in like 5 mins.
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In an anatomical sense we speak mostly of 2 genders, however humankind has evolved so much that the psychological has surpassed the anatomical as a defining factor.
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In an ideal world that would be the case, but until our collective western society sheds its (hostile) fixation on sex, the anatomical difference will continue to take precedence. That fixation won't go away any time soon, as it has underpinnings in old mentalities towards the whole gender roles thing. Our culture needs to mature some more before we can shed the rest of this stuff, and thanks to the media relying on stirring anger as a form of generating perpetual interest, and now the internets vast overlapping social media letting people get trapped in all kinds of accidental confirmation biases about rights-groups oppressing each other, who knows when that'll ever happen, heh.
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Who gives a fuck if there's 2, 4, 7 or 4092 genders. Why wouldn't they be allowed in the army? Also, nice bait.
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That's probably a matter of scale.
Wounded veterans needing help getting it being more prominent than trans troops.
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I get what you say, and yes, costs for trans people may be a lot higher, but there will always be less trans people in the army, because there is a lot less trans people in the world. So, even if their costs are higher, there will never be enough trans people to justify "not accepting" them in the military. Their cost is irrelevant for their number. Also, one day their treatment will come to an end (I think).
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Fuck you and those sickos, they should be getting psychiatric help instead of surgery to try to make them something they're not. Thankfully these people are usually suicidal.
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You misspelled your name, Folly. :P
(oh, or Suspendy :P)
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Psst, Guess what the effective treatment for gender dsyphoria is. Transition.
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It's apparently been recategorized as a symptom rather than a disorder now, but I've seen conflicting reports on the effectivity of the treatment.
Perhaps it's just anecdotal or due to a lack of cultural acceptance, but it seems like many people went in expecting it to be an easy fix and that they'd be happy after the transition but end up regretting it when they notice that their quality of life didn't really improve, They might have the same job and feel as marginalized if not more.
I'd like to see more research done on whether it really is the most effective option, as, in general, I wouldn't expect cosmetic surgery on working organs to be a very good solution for something that could perhaps be tackled psychologically.
That said, I am not an expert on the subject, perhaps there is better material and conclusive studies I haven't been exposed to.
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I don't know anyone who goes in expecting an easy fix. Being trans sucks, but getting the "correct" sex organs is the beat and most effect way to lessen gender dysphoria. Your state of mind improves, but generally quality of life doesn't 'cause being trans ain't all that acceptable.
There are studies that show this, give me some time to find them.
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Yeah, I consider that probable.
Sure.
Would love to take a look.
No rush.
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Well I gotta take a nap before work, but this is a good place to look for articles.
Finding studies with full access to is hard, I mainly got abstracts.
In 1990 Green and Fleming concluded that sex reassignment surgery (SRS) is an effective treatment for transsexuality because it reduced gender dysphoria drastically. Since 1990, many new outcome studies have been published, raising the question as to whether the conclusion of Green and Fleming still holds. After describing terminological and conceptual developments related to the treatment of gender identity disorder (GID), follow-up studies, including both adults and adolescents, of the outcomes of SRS are reviewed. Special attention is paid to the effects of SRS on gender dysphoria, sexuality, and regret. Despite methodological shortcomings of many of the studies, we conclude that SRS is an effective treatment for transsexualism and the only treatment that has been evaluated empirically with large clinical case series.
Outcomes of Treatment for Gender Dysphoria
Richard A. Carroll
This paper reviews the empirical research on the psychosocial outcomes of treatment for gender dysphoria. Recent research has highlighted the heterogeneity of transgendered experiences. There are four possible outcomes for patients who present with the dilemma of gender dysphoria: an unresolved outcome, acceptance of one's given gender, engaging in a cross-gender role on a part-time basis, and making a full-time transition to the other gender role. Clinical work, but not empirical research, suggests that some individuals with gender dysphoria may come to accept their given gender role through psychological treatment. Many individuals find that it is psychologically sufficient to express the transgendered part of themselves through such activities as cross-dressing or gender blending. The large body of research on the outcome of gender reassignment surgery indicates that, for the majority of those who undergo this process, the outcome is positive. Predictors of a good outcome include good pre-reassignment psychological adjustment, family support, at least 1 year of living in the desired role, consistent use of hormones, psychological treatment, and good surgical outcomes. The outcome literature provides strong support for adherence to the Standards of Care of the Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association. Implications to be drawn from this research include an appreciation of the diversity of transgendered experience, the need for more research on non-reassignment resolutions to gender dysphoria, and the importance of assisting the transgendered individual to identify the resolution that best suits him or her.
Sex reassignment: outcomes and predictors of treatment for adolescent and adult transsexuals
Background. We prospectively studied outcomes of sex reassignment, potential differences between subgroups of transsexuals, and predictors of treatment course and outcome.
Method. Altogether 325 consecutive adolescent and adult applicants for sex reassignment participated: 222 started hormone treatment, 103 did not; 188 completed and 34 dropped out of treatment. Only data of the 162 adults were used to evaluate treatment. Results between subgroups were compared to determine post-operative differences. Adults and adolescents were included to study predictors of treatment course and outcome. Results were statistically analysed with logistic regression and multiple linear regression analyses.
Results. After treatment the group was no longer gender dysphoric. The vast majority functioned quite well psychologically, socially and sexually. Two non-homosexual male-to-female transsexuals expressed regrets. Post-operatively, female-to-male and homosexual transsexuals functioned better in many respects than male-to-female and non-homosexual transsexuals. Eligibility for treatment was largely based upon gender dysphoria, psychological stability, and physical appearance. Male-to-female transsexuals with more psychopathology and cross-gender symptoms in childhood, yet less gender dysphoria at application, were more likely to drop out prematurely. Non-homosexual applicants with much psychopathology and body dissatisfaction reported the worst post-operative outcomes.
Conclusions. The results substantiate previous conclusions that sex reassignment is effective. Still, clinicians need to be alert for non-homosexual male-to-females with unfavourable psychological functioning and physical appearance and inconsistent gender dysphoria reports, as these are risk factors for dropping out and poor post-operative results. If they are considered eligible, they may require additional therapeutic guidance during or even after treatment.
Objective To assess the prognosis of individuals with gender identity disorder (GID) receiving hormonal therapy as a part of sex reassignment in terms of quality of life and other self-reported psychosocial outcomes.
Methods We searched electronic databases, bibliography of included studies and expert files. All study designs were included with no language restrictions. Reviewers working independently and in pairs selected studies using predetermined inclusion and exclusion criteria, extracted outcome and quality data. We used a random-effects meta-analysis to pool proportions and estimate the 95% confidence intervals (CIs). We estimated the proportion of between-study heterogeneity not attributable to chance using the I2 statistic.
Results We identified 28 eligible studies. These studies enrolled 1833 participants with GID (1093 male-to-female, 801 female-to-male) who underwent sex reassignment that included hormonal therapies. All the studies were observational and most lacked controls. Pooling across studies shows that after sex reassignment, 80% of individuals with GID reported significant improvement in gender dysphoria (95% CI = 68–89%; 8 studies; I2 = 82%); 78% reported significant improvement in psychological symptoms (95% CI = 56–94%; 7 studies; I2 = 86%); 80% reported significant improvement in quality of life (95% CI = 72–88%; 16 studies; I2 = 78%); and 72% reported significant improvement in sexual function (95% CI = 60–81%; 15 studies; I2 = 78%).
Conclusions Very low quality evidence suggests that sex reassignment that includes hormonal interventions in individuals with GID likely improves gender dysphoria, psychological functioning and comorbidities, sexual function and overall quality of life.
Now this one is very interesting, Endocrine Treatment of Transsexual People: A Review of Treatment Regimens, Outcomes, and Adverse Effects
Cross-sex hormone treatment is an important component in medical treatment of transsexual people. Endocrinologists are often faced with designing treatment recommendations. Although guidelines from organizations, such as the Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association, have been helpful, management remains complex and experience guided. We discuss the range of treatment used by transsexual people, the rationale behind these, and the expectation from such treatment. Recommendations from seven clinical research centers treating transsexual people are discussed. In addition, self-reported hormonal regimens from 25 male-to-female transsexual people and five female-to-male transsexual people are reported. Finally, the potential adverse effects of cross-sex hormone treatment of transsexual people are reviewed. In light of the complexity of managing treatment goals and adverse effects, the active involvement of a medical doctor experienced in cross-sex hormonal therapy is vital to ensure the safety of transsexual people.
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Thanks JV. I'll look at them.
My impression was what's being acknowledged in this line:
the only treatment that has been evaluated empirically with large clinical case series.
Though it makes progress, it seems the 2015 article echoes it:
need for more research on non-reassignment resolutions to gender dysphoria
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Your topic is stupid just a factual statement, not an insult. Trump does not represent America, he represents a very small population, in fact all presidents for the last century have been backed by under half the populace, voter outcome is low because the system is broken, and we can't do shit about it til either all the old assholes die, or we kill them, I'm preferable of the latter personally. Texas and Maryland are not America, and even further single people in Maryland are not Maryland. Texas is full of bigots though, I'll back that, I've been there, it's a very backwards place. Outside of gun laws, they are wrong about nearly everything.
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I'm sorry but the head of the county doesn't represent the country is the stupidiest statement I ever heard. Sure, he doesn't represent the opinion of all citizens, but he does influence the legislature, enforcement of legislature and a whole lot of this country.
Texas and Maryland are parts of America, parts I'm frequently in. And violence against transgender people is still a problem, those two stories don't exist in a vacuum.
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The person running a country very frequently doesn't represent the large margin of the country they are head of. That's why this claim is always and uneducated generalization no more inappropriate than presuming all black people are criminals or that all Mexicans are lazy. The country is part of all the people, one ridiculous lunatic who got elected by around at best 30% of the population does not a country make.
Maybe you aren't aware, but America is a republic. States govern themselves to a large degree, they are their own entities, your "vacuum" comment is entirely irrelevant. They make their decisions, everyone else in the country can't force them to agree. If you have a problem with Trump, say Fuck Trump, only spell correctly, and if you have a problem with Texas have a problem with Texas. If you have a problem with a single individual who happens to live in Maryland, just name them, again no one but that person is responsible for his actions.
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But the person running the country has a huge influence on laws and enforcement of laws of a country. The government determines the direction of the country.
And I don't just have a problem with a single person in Maryland, because he is not the only person who has commited voilence against trans people, and the other who perpetrate and accept it are just as bad.
I have problems with American Government and a sizable part of American society, so I will say, fuck America.
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A population gets the leader it deserves, not the one it needs.
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we can't do shit about it til either all the old assholes die, or we kill them, I'm preferable of the latter personally.
The person who spoke approvingly (one post back) of suicide rightly got suspended. Surely this comment is just as worthy?
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Calling an entire swath of the populace (which will also be present in this community and actively reading) 'sickos' and celebrating suicides among them, is a far cry from hyperbolic catharsis about public figures who are not present and have been behind a constant slew of decisions that denied people equality. While similar at a glance, they are far from reasonably equivalent.
edit : Under the assumption that 'the old assholes' was referring to the teeming armies of old white-haired dudes who keep penning propositions based on outdated mentalities; literally not just 'old people' :P
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The problem is not old people.
The problem is the people can't or won't vote.
Working people who can't vote because it's not a national holiday, and need extra days off to get valid identification, so the Republicans get an advantage.
People who are lazy or jaded like many young people who could make the difference but don't try, voting should be mandatory or fine-able, after it's made achievable.
Fix those 2 things and you wouldn't have such low voter turnout.
Gerrymandering and citizens united don't help, but fix the turnout and you'll probably be able to fix these.
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Yeah, participation is a huge issue. Honestly, people should be automatically registered to vote.
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I dunno if that would solve the problem. Perhaps things would improve if voting were only allowed for people who demonstrate they have educated themselves about the things on which they are voting? I don't know how that would be accomplished, however.
Some of the most important responsibilities in life (e.g. voting, marriage, parenthood) require no qualification to participate, yet I have to undergo rigorous training and maintain certification in order to swim underwater (SCUBA). It is a tragedy that the general populace are so flippant about matters which impact so many people to such a great degree.
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If you make it mandatory to vote, you don't necessarily fix the problem. Without proper engagement and more clarity of information (as opposed to the constant bombardment of spin and dishonesty from all angles) you're just forcing votes which can serve as just the addition of random choices. An uneducated vote may as well just be a spin on the wheel of fortune, and even a well-meaning vote who didn't devote an awful lot of time to trying to see through the thick curtains of bullshit may be an effective vote opposite to values they wanted to support.
The system may be standing, but the wood is rotting. The system can't be reformed while big money is balanced on top of it. Consider that the popular vote doesn't even guarantee the candidate will be elected, and that the repercussions for broken promises are pretty much nil. There is no one thing at fault, but it all adds up into a genuine fuck-shit-stack.
If only there was a realistic way to regulate news-media, so that any group claiming to be of that profession can be held accountable for knowing misinformation, and those like Fox who used previous cop-outs such as "we're actually just in the entertainment industry" have to clearly mark themselves as such. News outlets that knowingly get stuff wrong are branded with a big turd sticker in the corner of their broadcast for a week. A turd with googly eyes. Surely nobody could abuse such a system.
Okay, scratch that. I have a better idea. Nuke us all from orbit. Yes.
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after it's made achievable
By that I meant first make it so people can vote,
That is how it is in my country and most countries which seek to ensure a degree of civic participation do it.
Yes, the uneducated mob can be just as destructive, but all indications of the state of the US, in my opinion, point to the great majority of those not voting to be those who would vote against the republicans, which tend to act against people's best interests (*)... If that mob can make a difference when facing gerrymandering and the electoral college, both designed to make numbers irrelevant, I can't be certain of. Yet, I expect it could give the democrats a fighting chance.
Agreed on the Fox "news" propaganda engine.
(*) taking away affordable health care (after they themselves ensured the bill was a mess), ignoring or sabotaging environmental protection efforts, de-funding every program not involved with the socialist monstrosity that is military spending, removing health and safety, and financial regulations, rigging the election system, ensuring the number of gun death goes up because the NRA pays them not to even do background checks, and many more things that point to the idea that they stand on morality and principle being simply a lie,
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Wait, their voting day isn't a national holiday? I can see how that would cause major problems.
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Is 'fuck america' a factual statement? i think it is an opinion
(unless you are planning to have sexual relations with every person in america in which case, good luck on that :P)
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Trump has a 35% approval rating or something like that, right? so, roughly 1/3 of the country supports him. that may not be a majority, but it's not a "very small population".
by the way, the only reasonable gun law is "no guns allowed. no exceptions." your statement about killing old assholes is perfect proof of that. people are not smart and responsible enough to have guns.
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Personally I would be a lot more worried about having a president that so clearly suffers from narcissism. (I mean the US, need to read up on Duda before I diagnose him :P) It is very unfortunate that it's a mental disorder that doesn't get diagnosed as easily as say schizophrenia, now they (and we) are stuck with the guy :/
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i see support is working hard cleaning the trash from this thread. 👌
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I wonder if they'll close my thread "because of commentators" again.
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Here in this country it's suddenly a problem if a train announcer says goodmorning ladies and gentlemen, so not to offend anyone who doesn't feel fully male or female, they started in Amsterdam, not to say it anymore and keep it gender neutral.
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so its just good morning? xD
yeah we had the same thing with gender neutral road signs and the like and everyone from both sides was against it
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So now he says "Hey everybody", which will only be politically correct until...
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I always thought that the added "Ladies and Gents" part made the announcement seem more classy and meaningful.
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Sad to see so many bigots crawl out of the SG woodwork...
The Trump ban was the only one I've heard of, and I found it disastrous. Didn't they just get accepted into the services kinda recently?
Over here in Northern Europe we've got 9-year-olds wielding knives and mugging old people. The world's gone to shit.
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Yeah, it's sad and we do have our share of intolerant people here. Still, I feel like most of us do not share these opinions and blanket statements like these aren't fair to the rest.
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It won't change anytime soon...I just saw the new Netflix Star Trek series trailer... :(
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What's the issue, the no white men mains or the gay couple?
I saw it, and I don't get it.
And that's from someone who noticed the adding women to the center of every shot possible (mostly in the rebel bases) in star wars 7.
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This topic is wasting my time but it's fun for me. Cause I'm not american. Thank you for making something like that and That isn't right question but I allow to myself to ask you Are you MtF (male to woman)? If yes so it has a reason.
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This topic is wasting my time but it's fun for me. Cause I'm not american. Thank you for making something like that and That isn't right question but I allow to myself to ask you Are you MtF (male to woman)? If yes so it has a reason.
Yes I am.
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Damn. I read your previous article on this site. That is something new for me and I don't know how I should react on this. I'm suprised. You had a problems with your sex from your birth or it's just your chose?
All what I wrote after is my attitude to that. in brief I'm suprised and I don't know it's good or not!
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Признаюсь честно немножко ранили меня эти темы. Ранили своей противоречивостью. Никогда не доводилось встречать таких людей и быть свидетелем какой-либо их активности. Я не поддерживаю ЛГБТ и не являюсь противником этого. Я просто не знаю как к этому относится, потому что в моей жизни этого не было. Но от того что это не попадает в мое поле зрения это не значит что этого не существует!
Потому что есть же люди, у которых эти проблемы врожденные, и как им быть?
Медицина конечно отчасти решает их проблему. Но... Черт. Даже не знаю что здесь написать.
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I've wished I was a girl for much of my life, and hid being feminine all my life, pretending to be a masculine man so people wouldn't be hostile towards me.
But after my last suicide attempt people found out, so I stopped hiding who I was. And I learned that what I thought, I could never be a girl, isn't necessarily true with modern medicine.So I'm changing myself so I can now hopefully not completely hate who and what I am.
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I'd temper that disappointment in reference to the rest of the world and history.
You might not be proud of how your country is today, but truth is, in some places like much of Africa, the middle east, or most of the world over the past millennia, you might have been beaten, killed, etc. when you decided that you identified as a woman, not a man.
At least in the west, things like this are being normalized and things like you choosing your gender are becoming much more accepted.
Sure it might not feel like it, but being depressed before and not having the change fix things can be as much of a culprit of your general discontent.
That's not to say things are perfect and you shouldn't work to improve them, but do so acknowledging the progress that has been achieved already.
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Yeah, it's just annoying that that progress is now going backwards.
And I mean violence against trans people, especially trans woc is still a big issue, some are still beaten and killed here.
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I know. I just mean that sometimes we need context so we appreciate the strides that are made, and not dismiss them just because the goal hasn't been reached yet. Not that that will make you feel much safer or better if you aren't already.
The left in the US seems to have a pretty big problem with accepting progressive changes. Most people working for them are not good enough because they aren't perfect and most changes are not big enough because they aren't the biggest possible,
At least that's what it feels like as a foreigner with the news I get.
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Yep, it's ugly, can't argue with that. And it's especially ugly since the things were getting better just recently. But I'm sure that you'll get a president who cares about human rights again pretty soon. It's a reason to be sad. To be enraged. To oppose your current government, obviously. But is it really a reason enough to hate your country? You'll find intolerant and violent people everywhere, and Trump is there for a short term only, I hope.
And honestly, it's hard to sympathize properly while living in Russia. We've got such a nice situation with LGBT rights here (although obviously far from the worst in the world). And female rights. Basically, with any kind of human rights, actually. I'm not even talking about relatively tiny things like legal prosecution for telling minors that being gay is normal or impossibility for two people of the same gender to get married. We've got such amazing territories as Chechnya were a person can be murdered for being gay, and local government supports it, or, say, Dagestan were little girls' genitals get mutilated traditionally sorry that I'm writing a bit wider than stated in OP, these are still parts of the same problem, to my mind. I somehow doubt that such things could be tolerated in your country. Once again, I'm sure that America is going to be ok.
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America is gonna be fine, but a lot of minorities in America aren't. And I mean yeah, there are many other reasons I hate this country but this doesn't help.
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Well, I always fail both at being supportive and expressing my thoughts in a comprehensible way, sorry about that.
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You think that all Americans support this horrible behavior? If you hate the USA, that's your prerogative, but please don't condemn us all because our president is a bigot! Bigots, racists,and misogynists exist in EVERY country, sadly :(
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threefour articles came out. One about the Maryland Man who stabbed a friend 19 times because he was embarrassed she was transgender, Texas senate passed the bathroom bill,(Oh, Texas is fucking lovely) and Trump banned transgender people in the Military. I hate this country.Comment has been collapsed.