if you hate it and live there ... move out ... im sure it will survive the loss
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you live in America.. you are free to leave America if you dislike it so much.. As for hating on all of America for a few politicians passing any anti transgender legislation that just makes you foolish.. The majority of American's are in the I don't support this, or I don't care enough to support or not support this camp..
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well put . I have always been in the camp of ..." OH you mean to tell me that YOU hate people that hate people that think differently than them? DO TELL!" But well said Pucker!
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Intolerance, and being intolerant of intolerance, are two very different things.
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you're arguing semantics ... intolerance is intolerance regardless of where it is directed . Ignorance is thinking you are justified in your intolerance because you're beliefs are different than the current popular belief structure when in all honesty people that virtue signal at every available opportunity are just as bad if not worse than the people they are against in the first place. intolerance doesn't simply change its definition to suit whatever your current argument may be .It is what it is.WAAAH I hate tithe entirety of group x because some of them hate group y ! WAAAH! its just gross...
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Actually I would say you're arguing semantics.
Being intolerant of an entire denomination of people based on the qualities that build them as a human is a VERY different thing to people who are intolerant of those prejudices being voiced in public or acted upon. One is the assertion of personal opinion upon other people, the second is an unwillingness to allow that to not go without opposition.
Yes, in the pursuit of countering prejudice it is entirely possible for people to go too far and actually become just as prejudiced and vile themselves, but that is actually just plain old 'intolerance' again. :P
However you cannot expect people to not oppose bad behavior under the myopic accusation that it automatically makes them as bad as the people they are against. If you go down that road, you could accuse mugging victims who fought off their attackers of being 'just as bad' as the mugger because they hit back. It'd also be pretty cool if you could stop with the scapegoating "WAAAH gross" stuff. Yes hypocrites exist, we all understand that, but being opposed to intolerance does not magically make you just as bad as the intolerant person. False equivalence.
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If your argument is that you are righteous because your beliefs are just and others are not ... that you have the RIGHT to be intolerant of someone else because their beliefs line up differently than yours and your buddy says you should feel the way you do and others are evil for believing otherwise ..than you are adding nothing at all to the solution by stating as such ... in fact by going OUT of your way to preach about how you're so great and have such great beliefs and others are such savages for thinking differently then you probably need to take a long hard look at yourself and realize ... you are not the
end all be all judge and jury of what makes another individuals beliefs right or wrong . The O.P posts with such vitriol that it just ebbs and flows from their every statement and yours comes off as wide as the ocean and as deep as a puddle .
If people that cared about ACTUAL equality and tolerance ACTUALLY wanted to make a difference it will be done through mutual understanding and hard work ... NOT hopping on the Internet to see which sycophant has the most self loathing and (PUKE) Privilege (seriously if you're one of those privilege morons kill yourselves now ... make that sacrifice to show how much you care please)
Just because you share similar opinions on things as your personal peer group is NOT a litmus test for the rest of the world and should not be treated that way. It is quite typical for people such as yourself to fall back upon words like myopic and odd smoke screens like the mugger comparison which has no value or even common thread with the issue we are discussing currently ( thats kind of a disappointing argument to say the very least ) when talking about people like myself whose opinion on the world clearly differs from yours I would argue that it is the "virtuous " belief that your views are so beyond reproach that it certainly is not people like myself that put blinders on , obscuring the view as to what ACTUALLY is the right approach to change . ACTUAL change . My point is clearly validated by that statement alone ... your opinion matters because it is yours and any different opinion ... well clearly i must have a narrow view on the issue.
Beating the drum and freaking out every time someone (PUKE) "triggers " you paints the side of the argument you clearly stand for as not worth listening to ... If you cry about everything people don't want to hear when you cry about something worth while .
THAT is something that contributed GREATLY to the outcome of the last election in The States.
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Nobody wants "actual equality." For starters, nobody is "equal" to anyone else as we are all distinct individuals. Then there's the fact that treating people "equally" would be injustice as people have different needs according to circumstance.
What people really want is fairness and justice inasmuch as that is possible. The clamor for "equality" is just a diversion used by those who want to derail the push for achieving both. Sadly, that ploy seems to be effective.
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Resticting civil rights is not the same as having a different opinion.
And I'd leave if I could.
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And here I thought that most american thing you can do is force your opinion upon other people. At least that's what your foreign policy taught me.
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you are free to leave America if you dislike it so much..
You realize this is the antitheses to the entire concept of the United States as a whole, right?
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"Just a few"
" I don't care enough to support or not support this camp.." is fucking enabing this shit.
And believe me, I'd leave if I could.
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meh... I can tell this is going to be another busy thread. P
Before I start wading through the comments, would you please edit your title? You can always spoiler tag offensive text in the comments, but that doesn't work as well when it's in the title.
- Piracy, pornography, and other material that may be inappropriate to a general audience should not be posted to the site. If you're posting anything that may be considered NSFW (not safe for work), please prefix any links or images with a NSFW tag to warn others.
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what annoys me the most in topics like this, is that the OPs opinion is always holy and right, and as soon as someone disagrees for a valid reason, the rage and the bashing begins.
i don't mind gay/lesbian/trans people, but what i hate is when people try to shove it in your *** everywhere.
what has an article like this to do with steam, or with steam gifts? nothing.
we are not on facebook here.
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i don't mind gay/lesbian/trans people, but what i hate is when people try to shove it in your *** everywhere.
What exactly do you mean by this? Really think about it.
what has an article like this to do with steam, or with steam gifts? nothing.
we are not on facebook here.
"Off-Topic"
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it's like people who do crossfit, or are vegan. or vapers, or pot smokers. everyone needs to know, because its very important.
if you still don't understand, it's fine. no problem.
and yeah off topic, still its hard to find a place in the internet now. where people DON'T talk about politics, and that's generally annoying for me.
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Guess what? Politics is life, man. It is literally how life, as lived, is dictated. It will be "shoved in your ***" until the day you die.
My advice is to stop hiding, because politics certainly isn't hiding from you.
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Also the big point here is that when it comes to matters of government policy, it's very much a case of having often arbitrary rules "shoved in their ***". Unless there are exceptionally good reasons with logic that fully pans out and is backed by evidence, all denominations and subgroups of citizens should be treated with equal consideration. It would have helped if the thread title was more descriptive so that M4C could avoid the subject I suppose? :u
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maybe it would help in general if offensive immature titles like "fuck amerikka" wouldn't even be a thing on here.
and i'm not even american.
maybe the OP would even be taken seriously without rants like that.
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True enough. When I saw that thread title I didn't know what to expect either.
I get the frustration but for a discussion opener it was pretty loaded. Then again, if policies kept getting directly targetted at my specific denomination I'd probably feel the urge to drop a "Fuck youuuu, UK". Its a natural blowback I suppose. Here's hoping it gets edited to dodge a few bullets.
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Sarcasm is often used where character limits are tight. The comedy can be lost if you don't know the person and the context.
(this is actually a big issue on twitter media, people have taken heavily to using passive-aggressive jabs and perpetual sarcasm instead of debate, because making a full point usually requires more characters and it's so much easier just to knock the strawman instead :P)
If you looked far back enough in my nick history you'd probably find stuff like "Grumpy Piss Wizard", "Auntie Alan" and "What If White Obama?". I can assure you 'Auntie Alan' was a voice-chat related goof where someone slipped up on their joke, and not an anti-trans joke, and that "What if White Obama?' was a joke about the most nonsensical tweet a person could make to generate rage from all groups simultaneously. I can neither confirm nor deny my status as a piss wizard though. I am however quite grumpy.
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The big point here is that when it comes to matters of government policy, it's very much a case of having often arbitrary rules "shoved in their ***". Unless there are exceptionally good reasons with logic that fully pans out and is backed by evidence, all denominations and subgroups of citizens should be treated with equal consideration. There is only so much people can endure before passive mentions of "I don't support this" land like big slaps in their faces, especially when they're just trying to play catch-up to what the majority has. The intent may be more neutral or passive, but there are some implications that can't be avoided. Its like people forget their present company includes those they're speaking about, and have gotten too used to relating to the subject in a disconnected fashion.
By all means, some people can lash out and take things too far and over total non-offenses, and those people need to be held accountable for their ill behavior (especially where incensed individuals engage in odd counter-prejudices), but it helps to consider the shape of the landscape and the pressures in play. It helps to not see 'trans' as a singular entity, much like how we as 'gamers' dont have a hivemind and shouldnt be expected to inherit the sins of the worst among the collective hobby, y'know? It also doesn't help that with the media stirring things up and social media being as it is, it allows for people to slip into echo chambers that turn scapegoats and strawmen into totems of an 'enemy' or passive opposition. The 'gender wars' between various hyperbolic and obnoxious vocal people has stirred a lot of truly poisonous things out of otherwise innocuous interest groups, and has happily sucked in even the mildest of people and turned them into unapologetic militants. It's the internet effect, and how the media you consume by mere association to friend and foe alike can create a powerful confirmation bias that preys on your good intentions (but usually just makes you into a total venom-gremlin)
Besides, crossfit enthusiasts, vegans, vapers, potheads and the like aren't having their toilet habits made into political currency. Hobbies don't really compare to issues of personal identity being a barrier to common livelihood. Being LGBTQ is naturally a thing they talk about a lot, and not necessarily from a a sense of personal hyperfocus, but also because opponents are prone do the same. If you can't swing your arms without hitting three people who 'have an opinion' on your state of life, that subject is naturally made into a more focal point of your day to day dealings (and naturally enters conversation and thought with more severity). The reason why there is comparatively less ruckus about homosexuality is because they are more able to just get on with their lives without the snap judgements, as they have more control over picking and choosing how they expose that aspect of themselves to others, whereas trans people are more often subject to being identified by physical identifiers (voice, dress, physical changes) due to the number of people undergoing hormone therapy, much less daring to dress outside the gender code. It's a big pressure cooker from all angles, TBH.
Anyway, I babbled enough. Just hold the assholes accountable when they go overboard without due cause, but otherwise try to empathise even if you can't sympathise, if that makes sense?
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Huh? Why's transgender banned from military wrong? I want to know the reason.
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someone linked an article about health costs..are much higher compared to normal people.
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Not the place for it. You can't be disabled or obese in the Military either, why isn't anybody upset about that?
There are WAY more obese than transgender in America.
Nobody is offended that little timmy with multiple sclerosis can't join? Hello it's 2017 and it's pronounced handi-capable!
No, nobody is saying that because it's ridiculous to recruit anybody that is not able-bodied and able-minded for your military.
You can't even join if you're over 35. There are shitloads of 35+ people who would do very well in the Military, nobody is fighting to let them join.
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'Cause its not based on any other reason than 'trans people are icky'
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Banning people with mental disorders from military service is not wrong.
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So you hate America just because of a few things, yes seems logical.I don't care if you hate America or not but I do think it's a bit crazy to hate a whole country because of choices of a few.
That is like say Trump bans all blacks from something and you condemn all white people just based on Trump being white.You also forget race has been an issue ever since mankind discovered other people were different from each other.It will always exist and it will always be a problem so you either find ways to get past it or spend your life full of hate.
I don't agree with the choice of the ban and so on though I also don't assume everyone in Russia is like Putin.I don't judge all based on a few bad apples.Though when you say fuck America you are also insulting me so I say FUCK YOU! back!
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They would also be insulting themselves, given they're also american. They knew this. They're just venting frustration.
Granted, with some awful choice of wording (that thread title) for instance, heh.
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They can vent that is fine and I just shared what I thought about their rant nothing more.Clearly saying fuck America is a lot better than banning people from serving hate is hate regardless of reason.
The transgender bathroom thing makes sense depending on what view you have.I don't like to ban people for their gender but I also think to allow this will also allow predators to abuse this to gain access to bathrooms and nobody will know if that person is transgender or just a pedo trying to lure or take kids.If I was transgender I would be against it myself for those reasons.I would much rather have children safer than me having a bit more rights.
That is, of course, my opinion and I'm not looking to get people to agree with me and fine if they don't.I'm just trying to give a different view on that.
I'm not sure of the reasoning behind the service ban other than political and personal views.That person who killed that other person because of gender had way more issue than just being embarrassed that is the worse reason I've heard in a long time.Normal people don't kill out of being embarrassed they kill out of hate or need.If we killed out of embarrassment a lot of us would be cold stone killers.
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Nah, theres many other reasons I hate this country, and I don't care about offending people who are so patriotic to identify with this country.
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suspending ppl here and allowing the thread name 👺
unfortunately first link could have happened anywhere with big enough population %$@$# people will always turn up ;/
ps. for more knowledgeable ppl - is other states will be following Tx?
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Texas is actually following other states, North Carolina is famous for thier bill making poeple use the bathroom of birth sex and a few other states also have similar bills I belive.
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So you're a transgender? I guess that explains why people feel offended when you send them the nudes
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Reading is hard, the fact I'm transgender is about the only thing that you got right.
Also I don't consider civil rights a politcal agenda.
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Well, show me a country that is or ever was open-minded, because I don't know any. xD It's the same in every country.
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Well, I don't know a whole about America. I kinda focus more about how fucked up I am in this little hole 'Turkey'. xD
But we can't blame the whole country for its president or the ignorant ass people who are in it. Because there is still open-minded and good people everywhere. Just unfortunately not much.
And I literally can't understand people, seriously. You have brain, use it.
Everybody is human. Being asexual, bisexual, homosexual or transgender doesn't change shit.
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Why do you care? Are you a transgender who wanted to join the military?
If you are you're one of like 5 people.. this is a non-issue.
Accomodating transgenders is inefficient, plain and simple.
Adding a transgender bathroom alone would be a huge financial burden on the American people for such a ridiculous cause.
The Military is not the place for mentally unstable people, you aren't even allowed to be bi-polar let alone be in the middle of a sexual/gender identity crisis.
They can serve if they want, as whatever gender they are (look down if unsure).
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Because i am stupid and have nothing to say.
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Sorry you're having to deal with this. It seems like trans people are being used as an easy target for the ripping up of rights, along with migrants and disabled or ill people. It's particularly galling to see people who fall under the LGBT umbrella turning around to happily ditch those facing discrimination, be that transphobic, racist, disablist, biphobic, or an unpleasant combo of them all. People deserve so much better, and those who see this pattern of events as 'no big deal' need to understand what it's doing to people's lives.
Wishing you good stuff despite having to deal with this torrent of horrible news (plus thanks for sharing so much with other SGers, and making other people's days a bit better.)
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But nobody is angry at how CNN keeps defending terrorists? Well... welcome to 2k17, where transgenders are the bigger issue than terror attacks and how the media seems to enjoy defending and excusing their crimes based on a racial and religious view...
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What? Cnn is racist af, I doubt they'd care about Islamaphobia.
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If you plan to fuck Amerikkka, please, for the love of god and country, make sure you use a condom!
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Then leave. I love this post xd. If you have the balls (or not lets not "discriminate" women) to say that, then leave. Please
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I would if I could, you act like leaving the county is as easy as making a wish.
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lol k. Well while you stay here at least don't disrespect our country. Kinda rude, considering that you get to live here with the right to say the stuff you're saying, but yet it's the worst country.
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No. This country doesn't deserve my respect. And it's not the worst, but certainly not the best.
Look, I get it that some places have it worse, and I am grateful that I wasn't born there, but I will not thank America for affording me some rights. I don't owe America that. I owe Taxes (which btw, is kinda hard when I can be legally fired/not hired for being trans), participation in government, registering for ss, jury duty or being a witness and following laws in exchange for equal rights and protection that every American citizen are deserved, and america is failing it's end of the bargain. I will thank it for "letting" me have some rights, nor apologize for demanding to be treated like every other American Citizen.
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threefour articles came out. One about the Maryland Man who stabbed a friend 19 times because he was embarrassed she was transgender, Texas senate passed the bathroom bill,(Oh, Texas is fucking lovely) and Trump banned transgender people in the Military. I hate this country.Comment has been collapsed.