Hello, Recently so many fake and alt accounts start joining SteamTrades
Scammer numbers in that site are grown and grown,, fake +rep are bought
so i suggest the following :

  1. Users with less than 5-10 +Rep can't rep other users.
  1. Users with less than 25 +Rep can't vote on reviews.
  2. Instant ban for multiple accounts [IP Check].

I really hope to make America SteamTrades Great Again

Also i want to unlock: 200 Gifts Sent achievement

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SteamTreades will back safe please again?

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Potato Yes
Potato No
Potato don't care
Potato Potato

I agree that there is a problem, but I also think that the poll should have had an option for building a wall around SteamTrades and making the alt accounts pay for it.

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Account with 100$ games [non-bundled] was good method

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Seriously - I don't get why that was removed, it wasn't perfect but it did prevent a lot of problems.

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when have they removed it?

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when they re-lunched steamtrades

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Didn't cg posted something a while ago in the sense that there are so many free games out there that the mandatory 100$ account was holding back new SG members/SG members quantity?

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Yup, but making fake GA is mush better than scamming other users
so if he removes this limit in SG it wont be big problem
Sadly there is no support or mods at ST

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Mind you I would also like to have the mandatory 100% account back that does exclude freebies

I don't trade anymore but I have traded a lot and I have voted on more than 700 trade reviews and you've certainly got a point because in the last weeks I have seen the same traders dishing out from -3 to -11 rep just to troll not counting revenge -rep, -rep for things that have nothing to do with trading and impostor induced -rep. I heard that Steam Trades would get mods but to date the Steam Trades are lawless except for the reviews.

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Steam Trades are lawless except for the reviews.

sadly true ;(

Thank you♥

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🎯

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Has steamgifts removed it too?

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IDK, but i dont think so

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Users with less than 5-10 +Rep can't rep other users.

While it may help, I don't agree with that. It kind of defeats the purpose of the rep system. +Rep is given when you had a successfull trade. If this gets implemented, a lot of users can't give rep anymore, which may actually hurt legit traders. And while I agree that something should be done about scammers, legit traders shouldn't suffer for it.

Instant ban for multiple accounts [IP Check].

What if there are multiple people using the same pc? It's not that rare to have just one pc in a household. I agree that multiple accounts should be banned, but this is not the way to check for it.

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0 rep users shouldn't be able to give rep. Some entry barrier, but still allows to respond when given.

Or alternatively less than 5 if they haven't gotten rep from the person.

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Great idea added to OP ♥

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Yeah, that could work. It could still be abused, but at least a bit less.

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if i have only 3 +rep, i cant - rep smb when he scammed me?
its dumb i think

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you can do that,, but they will stay hidden till you get your 5-10 reps

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whats the point of that?
scammer will be scamming without punishment, nice

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prevent fake +rep

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While it may help, I don't agree with that. It kind of defeats the purpose of the rep system. +Rep is given when you had a successfull trade. If this gets implemented, a lot of users can't give rep anymore, which may actually hurt legit traders. And while I agree that something should be done about scammers, legit traders shouldn't suffer for it.

Maybe Legit trader can leave +rep,, but it cant be shown till that user gets his first 10 reps.

What if there are multiple people using the same pc? It's not that rare to have just one pc in a household. I agree that multiple accounts should be banned, but this is not the way to check for it.

They should message the support for that

i got 3 -rep form the same scammer,, he offers to remove them if i removed me -rep
i ACCEPT to stop trading, but i will do my best so other people don't get scammed

Thank You ♥

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I agree with Ekaros, there must be some entry barrier.
$100 was good practice but prevent a lot of good people to join. Maybe raise to $200 bundle (not given for free) or $100 for non bundle.

And agree with Dnomyar96 for IP. + Not all ISP have good equipment, meaning, few years ago friend of mine and I had same external IP...

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Isn't it already 100$ with bundle counting as 0 ?

And also, me and my rommates all have the same IP.

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Don't know but someone write that they removed.

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Scammers will find their way through and legit traders will suffer.

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Because they have nothing to lose

i think that 5 users cant do trade is better that 1 user get scammed

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i think that 5 users cant do trade is better that 1 user get scammed

I think this is an argument against the rules you sugested in OP?

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i think that 5 users cant do trade is better that 1 user get scammed

I think I have found a solution to your problem:
You won't get scammed if you don't trade at all. ;)

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Biggest problem is free open registration (witthout $100 limit, i said $100 is low and instead of it its totally off xD), many alt, many "friends" registred just to give -rep, spam, hijacks... today i meet Steam with lvl 1, 1 game and 3 friends whois registed into trades, seems legit.
Bro, nobody from mods care about ST and following rules. And here you go.
Lot of problems since limit was removed. I know lot of +xxx/-0rep guys and all saying same. Its big problem.
Btw instaban same ip isnt good, lot of pipoz have shared IPs, using some public /wifi) places etc. Biggest problem is not open registration >90% problems coz this.

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I'm trying to do something,, it worth to give a try,, isn't it?

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Sure thing, i asked some week/s ago 1 mod. Nobody cares about ST and things around.
But i hope here is chance to fix ST, its about money and its important, idk why all only cares about giveaways only.. And u have already voted to delete your rep sure. :)
many problematic users, registed month ago and got -7 rep, registed 2 months ago got -11 rep... report user is pointless when i can see one of my user report pending over year! Someone should take care finally and ban these problematic guys. +14/-11 seems normal for someone?
guys like this are registred into trading? Seems legit

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To be fair your suggestion can be easily bypassed ...

You do few legit trades for some shit on couple no rep profiles , and then use those to +rep the other ones .

Its an issue , but tbh there is no way to be sure that even someone with a lot of rep isnt just going to scam you .

The Instaban for IP Check wont work either ... many ppl use dynamic IPs , while other live in dorms etc with shared internet ...

Sadly there is no way to know that even someone with pages and pages of +Rep , over 3k games on steam and close to 400 reps here wont just block you and revoke that GTA V Gift ... >.>

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You do few legit trades for some shit on couple no rep profiles

Yeah,, but it will be harder for that scammer ,, it will waste his time on 1 account
it will be costly if he had many alts

The Instaban for IP Check wont work either

Let's say instant mod alert instead of instant ban ,, won't that work?

Sadly there is no way to know that even someone with pages and pages of +Rep , over 3k games on steam and close to 400 reps here wont just block you and revoke that GTA V Gift ... >.>

True ,, but there is different with the chance

Thank you ♥

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Yeah some kinda notification for when many users log from the same IP should work fine actually .
Thats a good idea . :)

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IP Check is something that should never be used for something like this, lot of schools, college campuses, internet cafes and basically everything that gives people access to internet trough its network will give to everyone the same external IP address so all those people would get instant ban

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Let's say instant mod alert instead of instant ban ,, won't that work?

Thank you ♥

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the mods will love you for that....not xD woked as support for a browsergame once, doubleaccount detection was hell. Only possible when you keep an eye one specific acounts for a couple of weeks to determine login/activity patterns.

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https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/aIKoRTt

its about MONEY and its important

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just saying. As far as i know the mods dont get anything for their work except a warm handshake, (distributed digitally). And its honorable that they do what they do, but you cant expect them to do a fulltimejob with checking IPs for doubleaccounts/scammers.

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it would just flood the mods, imagine that there are 5000 student live on campus that gives them internet ant that all of them have the same external IP, now if only 10% of them go to trades that would be 500 fake alerts in the start. And now add to that all those guys that have siblings, in my home i currently have 7 devices that are online and that share the same external IP and are used for playing online, surfing the web. that is the problem with IP checks, IP check will tell you that traffic is coming from that place but you don't know if its a router with couple PC's connected to it, some big network router with couple of thousand PC's connected to it or just one guy

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If you do this, then anyone can scam any user who is not an active trader here, because they cannot report the scammer.

Yes, the system can be played easily. So does the community voting one. We know it and hopefully the site admin realised these loopholes as well, but this is something where you cannot really devise a system that protects everyone. That would need a metric fuckton of support people dedicated just to the trading section. But, based on the feedbacks I vote on, it would be easier to herd one million brain-dead cattle than explain how a goods barter system is supposed to work in reality for an overwhelmingly major percentage of the user base.

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If you do this, then anyone can scam any user who is not an active trader here, because they cannot report the scammer.

They can report him on steam Rep ,, with real proof

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Considering that the No. 1. method of scamming is impersonation because the majority doesn't use/never heard of Enhanced Steam and/or SteamRep, sadly it only helps a few.

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Steamrep archives as invalid all the scams which happen with cd keys, game codes, steam codes, Pin codes etc.. They will just send the users to Valve support for those (which will also do nothing).

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So if i see someone with +10 rep and someone with +5 i will choose first cause he can give me +rep?

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Its up to you,, in trades we look for good deal [ make both sides happy ] we don't trade to get +rep

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i think more important would be just to get some support and moderation over there.. we finally got some additional ones here, but there still isn't a single soul doing anything over there.

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+1
more mods = more safe

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+1

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  1. What's the point of giving a new trader (<10 rep) +rep then, he won't be able to +rep back. Soon there will be no more new user and the site is dead.
  2. Without rule number 1 this rule alone is useless as +rep means nothing.
  3. IP check is not as reliable as you think. As IPv4 address is running out, NAT is sometimes used on a ISP level. This leads to the website believing all the requests come from the same machine (but they aren't). The same applies to corporate/school/home router.
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0 rep users shouldn't be able to give rep. Some entry barrier, but still allows to respond when given.
Or alternatively less than 5 if they haven't gotten rep from the person.

Thank you

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I would suggest the reputation model from Stack Exchange. It is much more mature.

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well maybe could be a good thing dunno as for me i started not long ago trading there and have 7 +rep 0 negative and i plan on keep the negative like that xD have some decent (or so i think) games to trade think i still havent traded more cause of low rep and that the latest replies to my thread didnt had anything that interests me

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one f*g which stole my cs go keys there just - rep me, when i uploaded a proof with his scam
its bullshit, he scammed me and just posted negative review for nothing. what the hell?
i wonder why he still not banned, so ridiculous

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I already voted to remove your -rep long time ago,, but sadly mods do nothing

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thx, but the situation is really sad

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You can reply to fake review. Also :

Our system will automatically delete a negative rep if at least 60% of voters believe it should be removed.

So it may take a while, to get enough amount of votes on your case.

You can vote other cases, so they are removed from other queues, and your case may have then higher chance to be reviewed ;-)

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Users with less than 5-10 +Rep can't rep other users.

Then the other trader will also not +rep them, so they will never get enough +rep. I call bullshit. :P

Users with less than 25 +Rep can't vote on reviews.

Because you think that the people voting on reviews, usually have a lot of +rep? I don't think that many people vote on reviews and that most of them even have sufficient +rep. I also call bullshit. :P

Instant ban for multiple accounts [IP Check]

That's actually cool, although what if they are brothers or sisters? :P

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^_^

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Also, as EvilBudgie said, if users with low +rep won't be able to downrep, then they'll get easily scammed.

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Why are you trumpifying me?

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Users with less than 5-10 +Rep can't rep other users.

That's free authorization to scam new users, which won't be able to downrep users here and will be ignored both by steamrep and valve.

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They can message steamgifts support :P

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Good luck to them. Is steam trades even supported these days?

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This is owr problem,, that there is no support ♥

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I hope they change the system but I would not hold my breath - Steamtrades always sucks when it comes to trading.

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its Great site,, only need some care

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I have better idea, what about making a database with IP and MAC of scamers ? That would be much more efective than hurting both scamers and legit traders with your rep idea.

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There's nothing wrong with having less than 25 rep. Few trades don't actually mean that you're evil, but -rep do. Also, they should bring that $100 acc requirement back. There's a lot of scammers and people who don't give a shit around because of that open window.

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they should bring that $100 acc requirement back

THIS

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Since ST is "new", how people with no rep yet can give feedback to each others after a valid trade ?

  • scammers can just setup private groups of accounts that can +rep scamming accounts

Actually, I think suggested solution may paradoxally encourage trading fake rep.

Maybe ask support if they acknowledge the problem, maybe they already have planned/implemented solutions, just imho :

  • like limited number of review per user / per period ? (something like that already exists)
  • dynamical hidden weighting of user votes if previous votes was not concordant enough with deletion results
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scammers can just setup private groups of accounts that can +rep scamming accounts

There is Already rep boost groups

Maybe ask support

there are no support :D

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