Because total value isn't considered cheap enough for it to be considered one...
Unlike the bundle stars 24/48 Games per 1$ the total value of humble monthly doesn't go past 80% ( maybe even lower ) for all games combined.
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Does anyone explicitly buy the monthly to farm CV? On average, I usually end up activating half the bundle myself and giving the other half away. But, someone subscribing solely to give the games away? That seems a bit silly.
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Haha, you silly boy! I guess I never thought of other folks' reasons for subscribing. I simply drunk-ordered the yearly sub sometime last fall.
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I actually started buying the monthly to give away since the quality is/was so much higher than anything else and I prefer to put quality before quantity, but in the end activated half of it myself most of the time and now I'm not even sure if I can continue buying it, so plan failed :p
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Yeah, I held off buying the first few monthlies. But in the end, they always had a lot of snazzy stuff suited to my tastes!
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This was addressed when Monthly Bundle first came out...lemme find the link.
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https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Db76K/are-humble-monthly-games-considered-bundled
That one by any chance?
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Are you sure it's figured that way, though?
If it were, the higher priced games would end up bundled, and apparently they don't.
The example used, Alien Isolation, was actually removed from the bundled list a few months ago.
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Similar examples were used in other threads, I dunno. I dont do giveaways anymore so it's not really a concern for me xD
Just recalling what I'd seen.
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Yeah, now I have no idea how it's figured and why. Like you, I was just passing along my observations. :)
I don't care much about CV, though, so I don't have a strong opinion either way.
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Why did you stop the giving? And why not stop the taking also then?
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I do not owe you or anyone an explanation. :P
If that means I get blacklisted, so be it! No skin off my nose.
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I didn't wanna sound offensive, I was just curious. It seems unfair to me, and you always came across as a decent person to me, so this really makes me wonder about your reasons.
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Combined value counts, not single ones. So it's all or nothing ;-)
Alien Isolation was due a ru-store price bug incident
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Combined value counts, not single ones.
That's what I figured. It'd be too hard to place individual values (i.e. $2 per game) due to the wildly ranging prices of the games in the bundles.
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I had no idea HB monthly games aren't on bundled lists. Now I feel bad for giving 3 of them away last week...
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Perhaps we should lower the threshold for the bundle list. That could address this issue
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Or just forget this bundle CV thing and expand the level system so level 10 is at 25k or 50k raw CV or something, with the 5+ copies rule remaining in effect (or dropping their CV to flat 0 after 5 copies).
or drop the entire level thing altogether. ^___^
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But then we will go back to the dark ages D: to sg v1
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SGv1 had CV for the most part (CV got implementedlong before me and you joined the site and it was years ago), actually in initial phases of SGv2 beta CV was dropped altogether, simply as the ultimate solution to deal with all forms of CV explotation, replacement of CV with levels happened very late, in final phases of beta, before that SGv2 was supposed to be CV-free and level-free
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If you have proof of specific games going below the 95%~ threshold then you can make a ticket for it and I think it will get added to the bundled list. There was another Monthly game that was exploited (Wasteland 2 maybe?) which was bundled. According to what you're saying it's not every monthly game just a few of them, so there's no need for all the games to be bundled? Does explain all those cheap monthly games on strades though 🤔
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To get to bundle list, price of bundle < 5% of Steam price of all games in bundle.
So, Monthly games would need to have a value of $240.01+ to be bundled.
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USD 216, more likely, since we mostly calculate with the lowest value, which is $10.80.
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I'm not sure what G2A resellers have to do with steamgifts. Are you saying that guy is abusing the system and giving people free money in order to give those copies here?
Afaik, they said 1. most prices in monthly don't get under 95% discount compared to USA price and 2. you don't know what you'll get upfront for those $12 so it's not like you can plan to give things away and 3. you're limited to what, 1 bundle per person?
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Forget G2A, I m talking about steamgifts users! You yourself (any user) can buy it and do what I wrote and get shitload of free cv. And therefor it is abusable; and if its abusable it deserves to be on bundle list. Any individual can farm this way 100+$ cv per month.
You're limited 1 bundle per 1 ccard afaik. How many friends with different ccards you can ask for a favor to do like the guy in screenshot? I can ask at least 10 friends to do the same.
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But why would I spend so much money and go through that trouble for CV? I admit I gave some games I was not interested in after activating those I liked... but I don't see the point in subscribing through several accounts just to farm CV. I can understand someone doing all of that to resell and earn paypal wallet or what not... but for cv?
I already said somewhere, once you're above lvl 5-6 and enter some nice and friendly groups, cv becomes meaningless.
Also, I'm pretty sure I was against allowing bundled games on the website at all couple of years ago (not sure if you remember, but they were forbidden and you could get suspended for giving a bundled game before support removed it from the list) but now I realize they made a good call allowing them, because out of 5 games 3 were already bundled somewhere and 1 is on the way to be bundled. It's harder to find a game that was never bundled than to have a threesome with 2 models nowadays.
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I think the limit is actually 1 per account, not 1 per credit card.
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It is also per credit card example I have 2 accounts
on account 1 I buy and pay via my cc
on account 2 if i try to pay via same cc I wont be able to purchase it since HB drops error only 1 per card.
I believe i was something like that last time i tried to do that
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But buying the bundle and gifting it for CV gets you less CV-per-dollar than buying a game at ~90% off. Anyone who is "farming" it is an idiot.
(Anyone who is farming at all is an idiot - we've done the math before to show that even with the best possible methods, it would take actual years to earn back the value you spent in games won, and they wouldn't even necessarily be the games you want most. There simply aren't that many high-level giveaways. But even if someone is being an idiot and farming for CV, there are many much better ways of doing it than the bundle.)
I mean, a lot of people give away bundle games, but I think that that has more to do with people having leftover copies of keys for games they already own or don't want.
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m3h duno ... on 1 side its a bundle so it technically shouldve been there from the start ...
On the other hand there are many people who would be upset to say the least if that happens retroactively ....
Not to mention some of the bundles did not go past 70-75% off the combined retail price ... which is not really low enough to be considered Bundled by the 90%+ Off rule thingy ...
To be fair i think its fine as it is , Monthlies have some great games in them most of times , and the full cv gain gives initiative for more people to buy it , and therefore more giveaways for the games :)
Its a Win/Win !
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"bundle list is created for the games that were available to be obtained to cheap comparing with regular price."
With a very precise definition of cheap. That humble monthly games do not satisfy.
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I m talking about a way to get all of the games for free except opening one. Free is not cheap enough?
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Buying the bundle is not free.
Shenanigans involving people overselling their games to gullible buyers and offsetting the cost of the bundle should not be the deciding factors for bundle status. Good on them if they have the time and conning skills to make a profit off their bundle purchase and still have a game left to give away. But this is the exception and not the norm, and we shouldn't punish 100% of the site's users over the possibility that 0.1% of them are getting CV "for free".
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+1 if we remove every single game that's ever been given out free then only one person is allowed to gift only 1 copy of a title, then someone in the world effectively got their copy for "free" so it needs to be pulled from the gift-able list.
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Ofc I am against proposed idea, with similar reasoning, pointed in my comment below, but to play a little of devil's advocate "we shouldn't punish 100% of the site's users over the possibility that 0.1% of them are getting CV "for free" " - we already do it ;p If theres a small obscure sale somewhere, price error that gets fixed within minutes and only a few people used it, we still add the game to bundle list, if theres GA for 1000 keys and keys run out in few seconds, we still remove game from GA list, so yes, we are already punishing 100% of users because small minority could gain something ;) Actual difference is official/unofficial sources. Official sources, like price of item in official store can be verified, grey market trading like it's happening on ST cannot be verified, anyone can create topic with whatever deals, this cannot be base for adding something to bundle list, because I could write I give away whole steam for 1$ and it would then be base to put every steam game to a bundle list - doesn't matter whether I delivered the promised deal or not ;p
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Yeah, and sometimes I think games are removed that should have stayed on the list. Or maybe just removed temporarily. I remember buying Divide by Sheep on the first even sale it got on Steam, only to find out it wasn't one the list anymore because there had been a small number of keys given away a few weeks earlier. (That I had obviously missed)
OP's point though is that someone could buy the bundle and re-sell the games with enough profit to cover it's cost back while still having a game left to make a giveaway here, thus getting "free" CV.
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I know and I do not agree with OP ;) I simply also did not agree with just one sentence of your reasoning as well, but it doesn't change my view on the topic ;p
Because theorethically it's not just humble bundles, theorethically you could buy any game, any deal or on any sale and trade with it enough to get profit which will make your initial purchase actually free, thus it would mean that everything on Steam must go to bundle list because ytou can do the same with any game on steam ;p It will simply require more time and effort but is possible ;p I remember a topic on SG where guy started of with few cents worth bundle game and was going to trade it over and over until he would get some brand new AAA game and afaik he succeeded ;p
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If you feel a game should not be removed or on the bundle list please send in a support ticket. A lot of the time we just remove preemptively because we have no idea how many copies are given.
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the problem is, especially with price errors, it's impossible to provide enough data. We can assume, but we have no access to hard data to make our case. GAs usually state "1000 keys for XYZ" (yet not always), but for sales we cannot know if 5 or 500 SG people managed to grab an exploited key. Thus I believe it's good as it is. It is unfair, but it's the best we can do sadly.
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It is far from being a reliable way. It might work sometimes, if you are willing to risk a lot (chargebacks/disputes and stuff), and it relies on basically finding someone to scam.
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All true, but the numerical definition of the word "cheap" doesn't match its semantics. 95% off is not "cheap", it's "dirt cheap, basically free". 75% off is cheap.
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I usually say level 8. Levels 8–10 seem to form one large block in terms of user behaviour. You are right in the sense that there are very, very, very few giveaways over level 7, usually most levelled public ones seem to stop there.
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Steam account levelling for the sake of levelling is just… dumb. I am high level because I get level 5 badges for games I finished and it happened to give quite some experience points. But I don't want to just spend money on badges for the sake of levelling.
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And if you're in a nice group or two or more, you realize most giveaways have no level requirement at all or lvl1 to 4 at most, and are "protected" by group membership status instead. So even lvl 7 or 8 is usually overkill if you don't plan to enter public giveaways or you just like to give games and not care for the cv at all.
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Level 0 & 1 GAs 1.552 Giveaways
Level 9 & 10 GAs 40 Giveaways
Yes we do :D
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Isn't SG and RPG? And because it's an RPG I want to get to max level. I enter so few giveaways, and there are so few 9+ level giveaways that it really doesn't matter. But yes, I want to reach Level 10.
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If you have some time to wait this will solve itself knowing that in the end most of those games will be bundled and since the beginning of Humble Monthly some of them are already bundled one or more times. ;-)
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Most people that give away monthly are over level 4, so quite far away from "CV exploit" since it takes years even with monthly GAs to go up one level. And I was glad when I saw a lot of avernum 2 GAs, cutting CV from monthly would discourage GAs and probably encourage trading with other monthly buyers or reselling on gray market. I'm fine as it is :)
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And yet even lvl 9 users here are abusing cv; Take a look at this https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/rH6Fh/
Greed is eternal.
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I don't understand the discussion about life is strange. What was the problem?
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it was plain CV exploitation. LiS separate episodes got removed from Steam Store, but SteamAPI was reporting their price with price of complete pack (20$). Episodes are DLCs thus cannot be checked for activation in users library. Whether you own only Episode 1, Episode 1,2 and 4 or all Episodes 1-5 it will always show you own whole Life is Strange in your library. Also Episode 1 was (or still is, idk) available for free. Combine these things and you have an exploitation scheme. Create 4 5 copies GAs for each episode, have people who own full game or just episode 1 already enter these GAs and mark them as received, even if you don't deliver. In the end you get 400$ of free CV and there is no proof that you didn't deliver the games, because winners library will only show that they own Life is Strange but will not show which episodes exactly they do own.
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6799 games given away... even if he abused like 1000 copies or so the rest 5k explain why he is lvl 10 xD
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Look at current bundle... 1$ and you get 12$CV which means 1:12
Common monthly is around 160$ and you pay 12$ which is 1:13,3
We should put free the current tier 1 bundle because it allows CV farming with pleasure? Your proposal could solve a problem but opens other 100 problems
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Not really years. Monthlies are worth 160-190$, lets say its 175$ on average, so if you are level 4 snd 0℅ it will take you only a month to get to lvl5, 2 more months to lvl 6, 3 more to lvl7, 5 to lvl8, 6 months lvl9. Even lvl10 will require only another 11 months, not even a year nor multiple years ;p. And that all considering you give away humble monthlies and not a single other thing ;)
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I started giving away monthly stuff some time ago when I was lvl 5 I think and now I'm 6.5 since I activate stuff I like
I should start profitz instead :P
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SG is and should be concerned only with official sources and prices, not resell, not grey market, because there you cannot even tell if deal is actually real. By your definition - especially second example - if I create SteamTrade topic saying I am selling ROW keys for Witcher 3 for 1$ we should instantly add Witcher 3 to bundle list, right? Or to take exactly from your example - All games from Humble Monthly beside TW: Warhammer should be totally removed from SG - because you could get these keys for free on SteamTrades! See to what levels of craziness it leads? Rules are simple - something below 5% of price in any actual store goes to bundle list and that's it. There is no point in playing any grand schemes, because let's say I buy 10$ game now on Steam, game gets rmoved, I sell it years later for 70$, so I got 60$ free, I can use these 60$ to buy any possible game on Steam, so all games from steam should be bundled or removed from GA list?
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Like i said - ST is still grey market and we cannot consider grey market abuse. I can abuse theoretically any game on Steam or item which will get removed to get free steam wallet and buy any game on steam. By your definition all steam games should be bundled because of that. Or like i also mentioned i can create fake ST topic saying i sell any game for 4% of its value, i dont have to deliver, topic is proof enough, right? And again every game hoes to bundle list.
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LOL. I love you dude :D and your puzzles and puzzle guide
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You should do some suggestions to humble or G2A to prevent any resold event, rather than say something useless here.
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I personally see no issue with it for reasons explained by others on pricing, along with the fact that they're essentially mystery bundles.
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you can even find those monthly games cheaper on g2a what is great for buying to yourself
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Wait a minute, they aren't considered bundled on SG? Well, that's new to me.
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Well, if the humble monthly bundle's price has a price lower than 95% of the price that these games have together on steam , then of course they should be bundled - but I doubt that's actually happening.
Also, what's your problem with resellers and traders? People are not allowed to sell/trade games anymore? o.O I saw that you said that you only care about the CV abusers, but why did you have to bring trading/selling up?
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Abusing CV with humble monthly?
Oh, cmon, 12$ CV for 0,05$ - thats abusing. And all games in those thread 😊
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system doesn't work. For example - i bought game from those thread for 0,02$ and made giveaway 08.02
Bundled date - 09.02
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You know who's silly? CV farmers, who spend actual money to gain virtual points in a site level system that will mostly do absolutely nothing for them.
You know who's even sillier? People getting upset that others are spending their money to gain virtual points, where the only side effect is making several lucky winners happy.
If cv doesn't matter, why do you care so much how "easily" people gain it or whether they deserve it or not? I actually get that someone might want to grow their CV, even if it might not be considered an optimal use of money. Sometimes it's fine to pay for cosmetics, or simple satisfaction of seeing your profile number grow. But in what world does it make sense to police how other people enjoy spending their money, if said spending doesn't hurt anyone and actually benefits several?
In other words, how do people gaining CV from monthly games hurt you? And how will putting them on the bundle list improve anyone's life in any way?
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Well, leveling up does increase winning chances significantly (although CV for the sake of CV is still silly, you can buy tons of games for yourself instead of spending money this way). I've got literally nothing to add aside from that.
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Yes, I guess technically that is true I just really doubt anyone's ever used it that way. Gaining CV to enter higher level restricted GAs is like a super poor and subpar alternative to trading.
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Only when you consider single user. For a group things change. Profit is not big, but steady and with entry automation, efortless.
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was going to add you to my whitelist, but of course you're already there :)
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Aw, that's so nice to hear, thank you! And I see you have some nice whitelist GAs going too :D Might enter later, though I really shouldn't, my backlog's too long already :s
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nowdays i can only afford to buy hb montly..and maybe one or another bundle ....i gave some games here and activate others..whats the problem with that.....the % off is not near 95 or 92% to get in the bundled list...why don't get out bundled cv then...when russians have disscounts some games get bundled that we can't have that price...just make all games give bundled cv.. then.
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Why is everyone's knickers in a twist these days about CV and all things related?
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Yeah, it always was a thing but this past week it's gone in overdrive for some reason ._.
Or there's a lack of other new threads so these stand out more? x_X
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It's always been this way. Perhaps you are more alert because you started your day with a balanced breakfast.
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TBH it wasn't this way 4 years ago. I think I know a reason why it's worse now but yeah, I'm slowly patching it up myself.
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4 years ago you couldn't give away bundled games. The arrival of bundled giveaways ignited the culture of CV distinction.
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What makes you say you couldn't give away bundled games back then? I'm pretty sure you could.
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