Tier?
I believe you have something more to say in this matter.
Please clarify ♬
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They only sell games if they cut out and gut the 18+ content.
The nekopara devs got a DMCA for having the patches on their own site,for fucks sake.
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Is this a problem with the devs or with Steam's prudish content regulation?
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The devs themselves,steam has no problem with third party patches.
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Steam. I have no idea where the idea comes from its otherwise.
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Steam does allow 18+ content sometimes. For instance, Ladykiller in a Bind was recently added.
On the other hand, it was a long journey; it only became available recently, and Steam blocked it for a long time. So it feels like they're slowly changing their policy. Also, one of the things that article mentioned was that it was easy to get the game on there once they talked to an actual person (but talking to an actual person at Valve is obviously ridiculously hard.)
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"sometimes" being what, twice, once? Of the how many censored VN's out there? Sadly a sole exception doesn't make the rule. And there's no indication Steam is anywhere near changing it :/
Nekopara is a hot seller on Steam, it would make sense to make the exception there (and raise Valve's cut from 3 euro/dollar to 6 euro/dollar). But nope.
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Or you can choose to support HB or any number of worthy charities instead while still "buying" this bundle.
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Good idea! That's easy way to solve this problem AND get the "games". You deserve cookie.
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Who-the-money-goes-to aside, are you still interested in the games if they are censored?
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The question probably wasn't for me, but -
I actually prefer these games censored. I don't really care about "the scenes" , which probably really don't add into story, and when you share your room with brother and sister (younger), adult stuff is not what you want to randomly show on your screen.
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If you uncensor Nekopara there's still a "h-content on/off" check to prevent just that ;)
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Seconded, sometimes they even buy fan translations because their professional ones are utter shit.
Not to mention separate paid patches which add just a few scenes.
By the way, setting the slider for them to $0 -and not selling cards/emotes/BGs- would be enough to do the trick.
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I've seen badly translated VN's. These arent anywhere remotely near.
(And I was talking about the games themselves)
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You're free to have your own opinion,and i think their practices are terrible and not worth supporting.
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I perfectly understand your point, but if not for them I would still be waiting for a fan made translation of Grisaia series. Given that, I can't completeley agree with with you.
It's funny that a lot of games have actual sex scenes or a lot of unnecesary violence and thats not a reason to censor them. Show a 2D girl tits and they are like: "Oh god! How can it be?! Blasfemy! Outrageous!"
Pretty much nonsense up if you ask me. How can you have sex scenes in Dragon Age or The Witcher but not in a VN?
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Probably since they're "actual games" or some shit like that. Just check this topic itself for many such opinions going around that apparently a VN ain't a real game.
Gamers can be so dense sometimes...
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Well.... I see a VN more as an enjoyable way of reading a novel than as a game. In that aspect I can understand why most people wouldn't consider them as games.
On the other hand whether they like it or not, this are still games. You could say the "difficulty" lies in the patience of the reader in order to reach the end.
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Just to contribute, the lowest BTA was USD $5.88, in other words, the starting value, afterwards it skyrocketed like crazy. Right now it's at like 9 dollars or sp the BTA.
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Nah, I don't think so. Maybe it will border Tier 3? But above it? Naaaah.
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It did, with a P&P RPG book bundle
edit: okay, not the highest tier, but passed a fix-price tier
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That box is a great deal for $25 though, which is why it happened. I think it alone retails for $35, which is pretty impressive, and that skews the numbers pretty hard.
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It's probably because they put the best games (Root Double and World End Economica) in the highest tier.
Also, Tier 3 has a lot of value overall - most bundles put most of their value in Tier 2. Look at the poll, too - most people are either "not buying" or "tier 3"; very few want just tiers 1 or 2.
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Yeah, not questioning the quality of the bundle. I'm going to get Tier 3 myself, and I reserved another bundle with the initial BTA value for a friend in case he's interested in a specific tier.
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I'm sorry you closed your other thread, I wouldn't have minded making a chart for it (as I have done in the past for other users).
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I know, thanks for your concern, it's just that other users had to complain negatively that made me close the thread myself, just because I was waiting for a chart, even if I would thank the person who did it, because I would gladly appreciate that.
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You know? That's a good question, I suppose the correct sentence in my case was "negative response", not complain, some things that people said were valid complains, like, the lack of a chart for the collectors or to see the rating reviews of a product, but the main issue is that some other people were being jerks, feeling like someone else should be entitled to a chart, and complaining about asking myself for a chart and didn't see that I would be very thankful for that.
In any case, that's a part of the past and I'm moving on from this issue. Lesson learned: You can't please anyone, and I don't think I'll bother doing a thread like this again.
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In my opinion, the problem with what you did was that people were already making threads with charts which they had to stop when you posted yours with what looked like a lazy "make the chart for me" message. So rather than waiting for someone to post a "complete" thread you posted yours and asked someone else to do the work to update it, rather than waiting 10 minutes and letting them post it whole in the first place. Which is why my reply to you was that you could easily learn how and make the chart yourself rather than expect someone else to do it for you since you understood that the thread would be better with one.
entitled to a chart
Yeah, they are used to it and knowing that if you hadn't posted your thread they would have gotten one it's easy to see why people might be annoyed.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" after all.
You can't please anyone
You can, some people were happy to just see the bundle shared. If you had waited someone might have done the chart for you as well. You just didn't consider that people take a bit of time to complete the charts.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In any case you can always try again, maybe with the chart to placate the masses., or just leave it to the people that already do it regularly.
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Yeah, that's fair enough. Sorry for all the problems I caused to the people who were waiting for the chart. I'd better leave the job to the people who can do this task better than me, instead of doing an incomplete thread. Thanks for the feedback anyways.
And regarding myself, yeah, I could have waited, but I was feeling terrible in that moment, so I decided to close the thread myself and let other person doing it for the sake of everyone, I think. Maybe I could be wrong with this.
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Thanks for the chart! I'll patiently wait for the rest of the data before going for Tier 1 :-)
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yeah same.. just to see how many of the games I own or have on wl, how much the games cost etc. Makes it much easier to make a decision when you can see it all as a chart visually.
except the last part I can't decide between t1 and t3 :D
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oh, that's what these are? I was confused at what they are trying to peddle to us...
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Thank You for making chart and the thread <3
I am going Tier 3
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Thank you Reforced and I bought tier 3 for sure! <3
Maybe another tier 3 to gift as these are wanted games. ^^
I only owned fault milestone one and WORLD END ECONOMiCA episode.01.
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Maybe tier 1 (still undecided), I have BTA at $7.38 but it's too pricey for me.
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First was fault chap 1, second neko 0.
Got both so I didn't redeem them.
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How can you know for what game it is without redeeming it ?
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Because he already owns them. In this case, Steam says you have it and what game is it.
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If you try to redeem a code for a game you already have, Steam tells you you already have it and then offers to install it (revealing what it is in the process.)
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Likely $12, sadly have the Neko's already (why no 3'? :( :( :( )
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Could always have been like a $20 tier. But yeah, probably not risking that people send it not to Sekai. Even though likely everyone who really wanted it already got it on launch day. Oh well, maybe next time a bundle comes around in 2 years or so :/
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They already confirmed vol 4, for end of this year.
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https://twitter.com/nekopara_pr/status/868095704215855106
The other one (from the artist) was in Japanese but people said it said end of the year.
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I wonder if T3 will get added to the bundle list, total MSRP for all the games is $295.80, which turns out to a ~95.95% discount.
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Are any of these games like the Ace Attorney or 999 in terms of narrative and story quality?
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:bite: :bite: :bite:
But srsly kinda dispointed fruit of grissaia wasn't in it and the one I'm actually intrested in (root) is a game I got previously and haven't played yet
...ah well I've heard good things about economia
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Same here, they tease us with 2 spin offs but don't give us the main games. Well, Michiru is the female character I liked most of the series so it isn't a total bummer.
Maybe, just maybe, we might have a bundle with the 3 games in a near future.
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Yuck, no thanks. But I know this stuff is popular, so I hope Humble and its charities get lots of money for it.
Not that it stopped me from saving a browser tab with a decent BTA...I can't help myself. :p
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I wanted to buy it with paysafe card :/ I don't think begging my parents to buy this is a good idea
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###**Tier 1: $1**
GAME | RATINGS | CARDS | BUNDLED | RETAIL PRICE
:- | :-: | :-: | :-: | :-:
**[fault - milestone one](http://store.steampowered.com/app/286260/)** | 95% of *1,289 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-286260) | [1](https://isthereanydeal.com/specials/#/filter:search/faultmilestoneone,&bundle) | [$14.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=faultmilestoneone)
**[KARAKARA](http://store.steampowered.com/app/487430/)** | 95% of *400 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-487430) | 0 | [$9.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=karakara)
**[NEKOPARA Vol. 0](http://store.steampowered.com/app/385800/)** | 94% of *8,175 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-385800) | 0 | [$2.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=nekoparavol0)
**[Ame no Marginal -Rain Marginal-](http://store.steampowered.com/app/348950/)** | 91% of *122 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-348950) | 0 | [$12.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=amenomarginalrainmarginal)
###**Tier 2: BTA >= $5.88**
GAME | RATINGS | CARDS | BUNDLED | RETAIL PRICE
:- | :-: | :-: | :-: | :-:
**[NEKOPARA Vol. 1](http://store.steampowered.com/app/333600/)** | 95% of *11,881 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-333600) | 0 | [$9.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=nekoparavoli)
**[Idol Magical Girl Chiru Chiru Michiru Part 1](http://store.steampowered.com/app/377710/)** | 93% of *75 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-377710) | 0 | [$19.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=idolmagicalgirlchiruchirumichiruparti)
**[Narcissu 10th Anniversary Anthology Project](http://store.steampowered.com/app/426690/)** | 99% of *136 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-426690) | 0 | [$2.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=narcissui0thanniversaryanthologyproject)
**[Narcissu 10th Anniversary Anthology Project - Season Pass](http://store.steampowered.com/app/439510/)** (DLC) | - of *8 Reviews* | (Base game has cards) | 0 | [$29.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=narcissui0thanniversaryanthologyprojectseasonpass)
**[fault - milestone two side:above](http://store.steampowered.com/app/344770/)** | 98% of *692 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-344770) | 0 | [$14.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=faultmilestonetwosideabove)
**[Sound of Drop - fall into poison -](http://store.steampowered.com/app/383460/)** | 92% of *159 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-383460) | 0 | [$12.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=soundofdropfallintopoison)
**[Highway Blossoms](http://store.steampowered.com/app/451760/)** | 98% of *327 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-451760) | 0 | [$9.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=highwayblossoms)
**[Japanese School Life](http://store.steampowered.com/app/555640/)** | 92% of *39 Reviews* | - | 0 | [$9.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=japaneseschoollife)
###**Tier 3: $12**
GAME | RATINGS | CARDS | BUNDLED | RETAIL PRICE
:- | :-: | :-: | :-: | :-:
**[NEKOPARA Vol. 2](http://store.steampowered.com/app/420110/)** | 97% of *6,647 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-420110) | 0 | [$9.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=nekoparavolii)
**[WORLD END ECONOMiCA episode.01](http://store.steampowered.com/app/269250/)** | 84% of *433 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-269250) | [2](https://isthereanydeal.com/specials/#/filter:search/worldendeconomicaepisode0i,&bundle) | [$12.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=worldendeconomicaepisode0i)
**[WORLD END ECONOMiCA episode.02](http://store.steampowered.com/app/368160/)** | 95% of *126 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-368160) | [1](https://isthereanydeal.com/specials/#/filter:search/worldendeconomicaepisode0ii,&bundle) | [$12.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=worldendeconomicaepisode0ii)
**[WORLD END ECONOMiCA episode.03](http://store.steampowered.com/app/527190/)** | 97% of *79 Reviews* | - | 0 | [$12.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=worldendeconomicaepisode0iii)
**[Idol Magical Girl Chiru Chiru Michiru Part 2](http://store.steampowered.com/app/377720/)** | 92% of *27 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-377720) | 0 | [$19.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=idolmagicalgirlchiruchirumichirupartii)
**[Memory's Dogma CODE:01](http://store.steampowered.com/app/386970/)** | 88% of *63 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-386970) | 0 | [$14.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=memorysdogmacode0i)
**[Root Double -Before Crime * After Days- Xtend Edition](http://store.steampowered.com/app/438130/)** | 95% of *105 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-438130) | 0 | [$34.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=rootdoublebeforecrimeafterdaysxtendedition)
**[Sunrider: Liberation Day - Captain's Edition](http://store.steampowered.com/app/358750/)** | 85% of *420 Reviews* | [❤](http://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-358750) | 0 | [$24.99](https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=sunriderliberationdaycaptainsedition)
###Retail:
* Tier 1 = *$40.96*
* Tier 1 + 2 = *$151.88*
* Tier 1 + 2 + 3 = *$295.8*
###CV:
* Tier 1 = *6.144*
* Tier 1 + 2 = *22.782*
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Poetic justice that you should post this. I love it! And thanks.
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I think that the guide for using it is pretty straight forward and gives clear indications, making your script accessible to everyone who wants to use it. I had a small problem identifying where exactly the ITAD API key was found on the page, but it worked out in the end after a page refresh. Thank you for the huge amount of work that you invested into this!
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Thanks sensualshakti, I've updated my charts. Foolish me for doing it manual xD
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A couple of questions about Japanese Visual Novels:
- Are there any where the characters look like regular humans (i.e. no cat ear or huge eyes)?
- Are there any where the characters are fully animated and not just frozen figures with an occasional blink?
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From the above bundle:
Yes, some of them are pretty realistic. Root Double especially, and World End Economica. There /might/ be huge eyes in some of the art but that's it.
Yes.... though I think that's NEKOPARA's new technology of sorts... they stand and blink but it's full model figure and react (to touches/petting/other things). Most of the VNs are the older animated artwork though.
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Thanks for replying. The games you listed as being more realistic are still pretty far from what I have in mind, but it's good to see that animation is starting to show up. I guess I just need to be patient ;-)
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For what it's worth, World end economica is a terrific story that got me choked up at the end. It's entirely a novel (no choices or animation) but very enjoyable.
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1) Animamundi Dark Alchemist comes to mind in that regard. Trailer It's a pretty good read and as far as i remember playing it doesn't contain any flat out hentai, but has some images that might be considered a bit spicie. And contains stylized gore, not much of it and you can choose to have it filtered out if you want.
2) Hmmm, School Days HQ comes to mind. It's like watching an anime where you can affect how the story plays out. Wouldn't recommend if you have a low tolerance for violence and erotic scenes. Also has huge eyes art style. Trailer
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Though Animamundi in English is pretty hard to come by legally nowadays. It was only ever released physically, not digitally, and it's been out of print for years (the localization company left the VN business). The English version also has some of the gorier scenes cut out/altered, but there's an unofficial patch to restore them.
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It's super hard to stay legal with most of these niche VNs. I wish there was a company like GOG, but they would specialize in old and obscure visual novels. That would be pretty sweet.
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If GOG has ever had a policy like that, it's not one they follow anymore:
https://www.gog.com/game/hatoful_boyfriend
https://www.gog.com/game/hatoful_boyfriend_holiday_star
https://www.gog.com/game/long_live_the_queen
https://www.gog.com/game/the_silver_case
https://www.gog.com/game/va11_halla
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Yup they did. They really were against VN.
If they changed it somehow then it's for a greater good. They should start bringing in big titles like CLANNAD and Steins;Gate. I would not hesitate to buy SG;zero from them if I had the chance.
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re there any where the characters look like regular humans (i.e. no cat ear or huge eyes)?
Not in the sense of photorealistic. Stuff like the ones I'm gonna attach down below(they're from a very good and VERY disturbing VN named Swan Song) are pretty much the closest you're gonna get. It's their "artistic identity" if you'd like and actually have interesting roots in their views of beauty. Wide open eyes for women for example are considered an attractive trait in Japan and Korea. You'd be shocked to hear the amount of money spent every year in South Korea for plastic surgery to "enlarge" their eyes.
Are there any where the characters are fully animated and not just frozen figures with an occasional blink?
No, not to my knowledge. That's literally the Telltale games, and it's a completely different genre. With VNs you can expect around 50-100 sprites for each "central" character with different stance and different facial expressions and that's about it, at least for the most part. Constantly switching between those between lines does manage to breathe life into the characters though if the text is decent.
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Are there any where the characters look like regular humans (i.e. no cat ear or huge eyes)?
There aren't too many Japanese VNs with particularly realistic art styles. The Silver Case (available on Steam) and the Jake Hunter series (English release on DS only) might be up your alley. The Flowers games (first game is on Steam) have an anime style, but it's more painterly than most VNs, while Hashihime of Old Book Town (English release upcoming) has a kind of pop-art-y aesthetic. Psycho-Pass: Mandatory Happiness got a Steam release only a couple months ago. There's also Hatoful Boyfriend, but I don't think that's what you meant...
More realistic art styles are more common in English/other non-Japanese VNs. See Cinders (available on Steam), Coming Out On Top (supposedly getting a Steam release), Cupid (free, available on Steam), The Falconers: Moonlight (available on Steam), Fever☆Dream Saga, Ladykiller in a Bind (available on Steam), Mystic Destinies: Serendipity of Aeons (available on Steam), One Night Stand (available on Steam), Starfighter: Eclipse, Solstice (available on Steam), Sword Daughter (available on Steam), This, My Soul (free), Walkerman (available on Steam), Where the Sun Always Shines (free), Wilder. And Aviary Attorney for the lols.
Are there any where the characters are fully animated and not just frozen figures with an occasional blink?
Not too many, and they don't overlap with your previous question. :P eden* (available on Steam), School Days, Corona Blossom (available on Steam). And, uh, Nekopara.
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Fully animated characters aren't common in VNs; the most common animation other than occasional blinking is lip sync. School Days is a rare fully animated VN in English.
MissMokushiroku mentioned some good VNs with a more Western art style (in particular, Sword Daughter reminds me of classic WRPGs like Baldur's Gate). Photographic character art is sometimes used, particularly for free, short, experimental/joke games. There's also a sizable community of 3D CG artists making visual novels and RPGs (mostly niche fetish porn); for example, Lesson of Passion (NSFW), Starship Inanna, Gazukull, probably the majority of Patreon-based creators listed on VNDB.
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Ffs, no more anime please. The steam store can't handle any more. ;_;
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Damn it. I actually want Narcissu. I played the free Narcissu 1st & 2nd and they are really good.
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I was too slow to get a good price on the required tier, that's all :)
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Yeah, I guess it a no-brainer for VN enthusiasts but I'm really only interested in the one game for now and I'm way too lazy to start trading or selling stuff. It would just have been nice to catch the good price but I'll probably get the whole packet in the end :)
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Question about BTA: When I buy Tier 1 and want to upgrade later, do I have to pay the amount the BTA was when I bought Tier 1, or the BTA the Bundle has at the time I decide to upgrade?
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it's the price I had on my screen at the time, not the price humble globally had at the time?
Because on my screen i still have the BTA of 5,88 from 2 hours ago and if I were to update now it would be over 8
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technically you pay the amount locked at your tab if you didn't refresh the page, not the amount the BTA was at the time of the purchase :d
You can keep the tab open for days and make the purchase later from that tab.
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Sunrider: Liberation Day - Captain's Edition <3 WTH!
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Humble Sekai Project Bundle
3 tiers, 19 games and 1 DLC!
Bundle ends in 14 days.
Tier 1: $1+ (Pay what you want)
Tier 2: Beat the average (BTA)
Tier 3: $12
Retail:
CV:
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