Hi again,

Another update just went live, giving everyone a little more control over their data. You'll notice a new "Delete Discussion" button, located in the dropdown menu on the right side of your discussions. If you click this new button, you'll see a popup that confirms whether or not you would like to proceed with the deletion. If you choose to delete your discussion, then the discussion, comments, poll, poll answers, and poll votes contained within will all be removed from the site and our database. Since the data is being permanently removed, you will not be able to undo or restore the information, so please be careful with deletes.

Enjoy your week!

Edit: Thanks for the feedback and opinions. Although a few people seemed to appreciate the change, the majority expressed a number of concerns. This change has been reversed, and I'll look into other options for allowing users to remove their personal data from discussions.

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6 years ago
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The change, or cg?
Because as funny as the idea of whapping cg on the nose with a newspaper is, it.. actually, it may be entirely appropriate.
Go for it.

View attached image.
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Nope, while the other change (regarding single comments) is absolutely okay and needed due to the privacy regulations, this is clearly over the top. No user should decide upon other user's comments. If you want users to be able to delete their personal data from a discussion (which would match the comment thing), then change the OP's user name to "Anonymous" and remove the content of the OP (should be the same effect when a user's account gets deleted). Discussion title should remain if that's not contrary to the regulation, otherwise it would have to be changed (though that could be done only manually :-/ ).
Btw. is IP etc. saving also affected by the new regulations? Then we're probably getting many new accounts here.

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Just saving IP, but not using it would most likely be okay, since law requires you to do so.

But if you're processing it, to find your other accounts, that's really questionable practice under GDPR. Which means if playing extra safe, you'd need to make it opt-in. (And if you make it opt-in, you can't refuse service because user chose not to opt-in as that would be "false choice")

TL;DR: GDPR is minefield. Time will show how it's actually enforced.

6 years ago
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Good. Valve should put this back to how it used to be on Steam discussions too.

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I have a question that I have wondered about for a while. When you delete your comment, the site use to save it and you can undelete it at a later time. When I edit my comment, does the site have a copy of my original comment before the edit? If so, how many versions of my comment will it save and how long does the server keep the old versions for?

Sometimes I will write a long comment and then go back through it and fix some mistakes right after I post it. Sometimes I will edit and save 3 or 4 separate times on a comment because I notice different things to fix. Does the server save every old version of my comment each time I edit it?

Also, does this work the same way with the OP? There are sometimes very long posts where people keep creating giveaways and the OP gets edited to add each giveaway and when info needs to be updated. Is there a history saved every time the OP is edited? That seems like it would be a waste if space.

Edit: It seems that according to this comment from CG, the site does not store previous versions of comments. When you edit, it overwrites the only copy that exists and there is no history saved of previous versions.

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According to one of cg's replies in the Delete Comments topic (on mobile or I'd link it), editing permanently overwrites the old copy. I had always wondered about that as well. (And would have been fine with it saving earlier drafts.)

6 years ago
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Thanks for the info. Found it here.

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That's right, there is no history of edits for giveaways, discussions, tickets, or comments. Technically, they could persist in a backup for a period of time, but I'll be talking more about those later.

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I dont like changing history. I stand by the things I've said in past, maybe not agree with it all, but I'm not afraid to say I said it. But I don't mind hiding history. Not everything needs to be known.

My biggest secret y'all made known. Sent my parents my personal shit, things they didn't need to know. Thanks again for that you cunts, I can't believe I ever apologized for that.

But being able to delete threads ain't gonna protect that secret of mine. All it can do is erase the proof that people ever did those things to me. It's not a positive.

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This is exactly a month late for an April Fool's joke...

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the discussion, comments, poll, poll answers, and poll votes contained within will all be removed from the site and our database.

That's the wrong way to enable privacy in discussions. The right way would be to delete yourself from the discussion, leaving everyone else's comments intact. Otherwise, you give OPs too much control over other people's opinions by deleting them whenever they feel like it, as if they actually own the discussions they started. That's not how privacy is supposed to work.

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this is how life works now a days

you make a wrong decision like you go to a brothel and do what you do there, than you regret AND wipe the entire establishment.
you can go and talk to your better half for forgiveness or make all never happen what not really work.

cg you only try to please all and especially the European law but that is to far for me

this are only my 50cent to this discussion.

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Regarding the deletion of entered data a few questions:

  1. Are all the comments deleted when a giveaway gets deleted?
  2. Can I delete my comments under a giveaway if the giveaway creator blacklists me?
  3. Can I delete tickets?
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Contrary to the 'spirit' of this change, this appears to give more people less control over their data, does it not? The intent of the GDPR, is, after all, granting control over data that may directly or indirectly identify, and I'm not sure this need extend to the data of those that converse with others unless that converse discloses that same identifying detail.

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Hi again,
Another update just went live, giving everyone a little more control over their data.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Enjoy your week!

Honestly, I'm starting to think cg just confused what end of the month April Fool's fell on.
It's really the only explanation that makes any sense.

6 years ago
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It's really bed feature, because it violates rigths of people who wrote comments. It will be really frustrating to write comments, especially long ones, that you believe to be helpful, just to find out they were removed by topicstarter who solved his issue and don't care about other users.

6 years ago
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Thanks for all the hard work. ^^
Hope you'll have a lovely week too.

6 years ago
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I have a please to the new Delete function.
After deleting a Thread it jumps to "steamgifts.com".
I would prefer when it jumps to the own created threads because you want, maybe, delete more then one.
The way right now load each time one unneccessary site, that create unwanted traffic for you and us.

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I haven't figured out how to find old discussions unless I have a comment reply in my inbox. I don't have the memory to recall discussion names well enough to find them with the search function.

6 years ago
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Scroll up and look the bottom of the left rail.
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussions/created

6 years ago
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Thanks to you both, but I meant discussions that I have participated in but didn't create (not for deletion purposes - sometimes I remember seeing some useful info that I want to refer to).

6 years ago
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Only thing I've found that works (at least partially) is Google, have you tried searching for something like this: site:steamgifts.com/discussion "cicchis0"

6 years ago
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No, I haven't. Thanks for the idea.

6 years ago
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Ah, yes that is a bit tougher. You'd think if you were given the option to delete comments that you'd at least have a handy list of comments you've made. I've used the Google search as OldNick mentioned, but if the thread is closed Google does not index it.

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Discussions ----> View created

6 years ago
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Well, I've deleted my 4-5 years old threads (mostly of them were closed anyway), because there is no any point to keep them alive.
All good.

6 years ago
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I don't like this change. Sure, give user ability to delete something inside of 1 hr or a day, but after that, deleting things destroys the cohesion of the website itself.

Also, let's say I have 5000 comments and 100 is in a thread X which get's deleted by some OP for reason Y. Who are they to decide my comment count should go down to 4900 (and I'm just one user, it would affect others too; I'm using myself as an example only, of course). It's not privacy protection if you're negatively affecting dozens or hundreds of other users.

6 years ago
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Yeah, this. It's one thing to be able to delete your own posts, and it's perfectly fine. Other is ability to decide about comments / thoughs / opinions of.other people on a whim.

We should have place that gathers our comments. To be able to find them easily. Not to mention there is case of comments under GAs of people that blacklisted us. We will never be able to remove them.

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Deleting one's own comments -- sure, I guess, although I think it allows rulebreakers to remove evidence of their rulebreaking.

Deleting an entire thread, including other users' comments -- really?!

So what you meant was:

giving other people control over your data

6 years ago
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Yep, this is pretty obviously terrible from the point of view of accountability and site cohesion, for all of the reasons mentioned so far.
The worst part is that some a-hole can post a racist, hate-filled diatribe with no holds barred, incite all kinds of unrest and have people spewing bile at each other, get reported by 100 users in 5 minutes, then before support can act, they simply delete the post and go back to farming SG wins. They can simply deny everything...no repercussions except for some blacklists.

This sounds like a reactionary response. Did you discuss it with anybody before-hand, even mods?

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This is exactly what I was thinking. It isn't difficult to find a moderator-free time frame where one can do such a thing.

Welp, better cache everything in the Wayback Machine!

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I support your call for support for support!

6 years ago
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Nice! So many awesome updates, thanks cg!

6 years ago
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Oh, another thing I just remembered: what about allowing us to permanently delete giveaways? Meaning when we delete a giveaway it disappears from our created page as well? I'm not talking about changing the process of deleting a giveaway, it would still be made through a ticket, but once solved, it would be permanently deleted.

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Deleted giveaways are not shown on your created page. The only place anyone can see a deleted giveaway is on their giveaways entered page if they were entered or in the archive and both of these are good things. When I get removed from a giveaway because it was deleted, I want to see that on my entered games list so I know what happened. And the archive should keep a record of everything.

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Yes, they are. If I delete a giveaway it will remain in my created page, cluttering it.

Well, you don't always get what you want, and "should" is your personal opinion, if cg wants to implement it he will implement it. Look at this new option to delete threads, some people are against it, but it didn't stop cg from implementing it.

6 years ago
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Oh, I see what you are talking about now. I thought you were talking about the created giveaways page on your profile that everyone can see. I didn't think about checking the page that shows the keys.

6 years ago
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Well, the safe place is here and it has to be obeyed. Gone are are the days that you had to think before you post. Hurray for personal freedom.

6 years ago
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glad this was reversed, CG, i would have discussed the change before implementing it like you did with the point system(I don't agree with the results os that discussion but at least we the community could voice our concerns before it being implemented)

6 years ago
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The reversal's for the best.
While it had some good to it, it was mostly a bad decision. Glad to see that you're looking into the feedback, no matter what it is :)

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