I got it gifted to me way before it arrived on epic or steam. If they decide to remove it from our libraries I guess I won't be among the lucky ones to get a refund. (if they even decide to refund at all)
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Such action is illegal (at least in Europe). Are we starting to prepare a group lawsuit against Epic?
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Since they give refunds back to the original account and only in cases they can't, give credits in the same amount, I don't think that's illegal in EU.
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Not for microtransactions, but it's also in dispute for whether that'd count. So you're right. Nothing illegal here as of yet.
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The license to use the game becomes my property (the consumer) at the moment of its purchase. Epic isn't even a party to the agreement (like Valve with Steam). The agreement is between me and the game publisher.
I bought the game legally!!! Yes, for $0, but the value of the legendery status cost $29 on the day of my purchase. In other words, Epic has to give me back $29 if they want to remove the game from my account. And that's not all, because this is only a refund of the purchase price. All owners of the game are entitled to compensation for the inability to use the game license from November 1, 2025 until the possibility of re-purchasing the license is restored.
And one more thing because some people say that the game had no right to be sold. When you buy a TV in an electronics store, do you ask the seller if TVs are stolen?
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but the value of the legendery status cost $29 on the day of my purchase. In other words, Epic has to give me back $29 if they want to remove the game from my account.
They offer that though, if you check the picture in the OP.
All owners of the game are entitled to compensation for the inability to use the game license from November 1, 2025 until the possibility of re-purchasing the license is restored
Are they though?
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It's more so that he wants be refunded (or given) $29 store credit since he no longer has access to the legendary pack, something he got for free from the Epic promotion and was probably never going to use. Rather than the more normal step on EGS refunding what you personally paid for the item.
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And so what if I got it for free? This is a product that has its value. If you inherit a house worth a million usd for free, how much is it worth? Zero or a million usd? And if this house burns down, for example, do you lose zero or a million usd?
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It's $0 to you, a million to epic cause they paid the cost for the product for you to have it not you, they should get $29 for sending it back to the dev. By the same flawed logic you're using. You're not selling your key back to the dev because the dev isn't buying it back, they're taking it back in the case of dmca because you weren't supposed to have it no matter what you paid for it, nor is epic buying your key back they're revoking it, epic is crediting people who actually spent their own money on it. You spent $0 cause you got it for free cause you're a brokie like most of us or didn't care for the game enough to get it till it was free, so you get credited what you spent, aka $0, not $29 because that was retail price not what your purchase price was.
Technically getting the game to Jupiter along with a computer and getting it playable will cost more than the entire value of earth right now, but ain't no alien claiming some refund cause he never got a chance to play it but was entitled to the free copy years ago nor am I going to claim that refund ammount because on Jupiter it costs zinga zangs bazillion dollaroos. That brainrot is worth getting laughed at.
Your mentality falls together with that russian streamer that sued twitch and the russian gov that agreed and thought twitch would have to pay more than all of the money on earth just cause it accumulated over time at whatever rate. If you could buy things on sale or discount and return them for full price endlessly without ever having to stop I'd be richer than elon musk in a day buying the most expensive thing on earth for a discount and returning it instantly for a profit to earn free money. Obviously that's not how the world works. Wherever you get your logic get a trashcan and throw that entire place in it because it taught you nothing.
Cringe.
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I'll be sure to use your tactic next time I refund a game on Steam. I don't care I got it for 95% off, this game is worth full MSRP value and I demand that much back!
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Completely senseless and idiotic comparison. On Steam, both parties agree to terminate the contract. Here Epic is trying to illegally deprive me of my property.
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The problem is that Epic won't give us the value of the product, claiming that we got it for free. I explained this in a comment to user herbesdeprovence.
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No they're gonna give themselves the value of the product, not you, because you never had any value or investment in the product so there'd be nothing for them to give you other than zeros.
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Why are you speaking again when, as usual, you have no idea what adults are talking about.
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I'm writing, and your idea of what adults do is wildly different than literally every single other adult here. Which in and of itself makes you a curious case study.
Did you buy insurance for your free video game?
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Muuhahahaaa. Why do I need insurance when there's the law. You're just too stupid to realize that purchasing something for free doesn't make it worth zero, it still retains its price.
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It's very interesting to see you so intent on trying to get a company to pay you for something they gave you a free DRM license to, lol.
In your house burning example, it would be insurance that paid you. If you had insurance. And assuming they didn't judge that the event wasn't covered. No insurance? Too bad so sad.
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If I give you $100, did I give you $100 or $0? Epic didn't give me anything. Epic sold me a license that has a value, and that value on the day of sale was $29.
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They didn't sell you anything. Hence the word "free".
Additionally, you accepted a DRM license. You actually don't own any of your games on Epic or Steam. You're just renting or borrowing them. That's how DRM works.
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Are you really that stupid? No, you're just a troll.
https://www.epicgames.com/account/transactions?productName=egs
Do you see anything here about gifts? No. It clearly says: PURCHASE.
I am not renting or borrowing anything. I am BUYING the license, the right to use the game, which right the owner of the copyright to the game (or the store that sold me this license) cannot deprive me of because that's the law.
Also: I do not care about the content of the license because provisions inconsistent with the law are null and void.
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You bought something for zero dollars and you were refunded zero dollars. Transaction complete. Rage all you want however. From my perspective, watching Quixote go after windmills is always entertaining.
Btw, you do accept Epic's/Steam's EULA when you open your account(s). You may want to go back and read them. They both have sections dedicated to DRM. Accepting their terms by opening your account(s) is you signing a waiver.
But feel free to continue shouting into the wind.
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Nope. I bought something worth $29 for $0.
I don't care about Epic's/Steam's EULA because they are not above the law, and their provisions if they are against the law are not binding. I know that in the US people fall for corporate tricks, but in Europe we have consumer rights and they also apply to software licenses.
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Sadly, your understanding of said laws is severely lacking. You could have saved yourself from having to look this way by simply doing a better job of informing yourself properly.
Aaaand, I think I'm bored now. Carry on my wayward son.
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Maybe if you ever had any arguments and knowledge you wouldn't be bored.
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And one more thing because some people say that the game had no right to be sold. When you buy a TV in an electronics store, do you ask the seller if TVs are stolen?
I don't think that example is doing your point any favours. Not sure about other countries (and obvious disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer) but in Germany, if you buy a TV (or other physical object) and it turns out to be stolen, you have to return it to the rightful owner. You can get the money you paid refunded from whomever you bought it from.
Of course, with the "object" in question being the licence to a game in form of downloadable data, and copyright claims being somewhat more complicated than mere theft, not everything might be so easily applicable here, but to use your metaphor: Epic sold you a game unrightfully, you have to "return" it (lose the licence), and you are entitled to a refund amounting to how much you've paid - which is what Epic is already offering. If that amount is 0$, then that will be your refund.
Oh, and as an addendum (which, most likely, won't apply here): If you do have reason to believe that you're about to buy stolen goods, and you buy them anyways, you're potentially liable, as well.
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Couldn't explain it better than Codric did.
EU does have nice laws to protects us and hope we get more in time but in this case, I believe it's quite fair how the process is being handled IMO.
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If you inherit a house worth a million usd for free, how much is it worth? Zero or a million usd? And if this house burns down, for example, do you lose zero or a million usd?
It doesn't matter that Epic sold us the product for 0, the product still has its value of 29 USD. By illegally taking away my game license, they are not taking away 0 USD but 29 USD because that's how much I would have to pay to buy the legendary pack again.
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You're moving farther and farther away from the actual case you're trying to make. Regardless of the answers to your questions - you didn't inherit the legendary pack, you got it as part of a promotion. We're not talking about a physical object (and something as legally complicated as a house is another entirely different matter than the aforementioned TV), we're talking about the DLC of a game in form of data to which you have aquired a licence. And it is not burning down, it is being removed from your library for legal reasons.
Imagine if I kicked someone in the balls for no reason, and then argued: "If I want to leave a room, and the door is stuck, do I not have the right to exert some force against it by kicking it, so that it can open and I can leave?" That may or may not be true, but it has absolutely no bearing on the actual case.
And it doesn't matter how much value it has, whether it's 29$ , a million, or 48.34 trillion dollars: You got it for free. The relevant question is: What did you lose?
You paid 29$, got the game, and get to keep it - what did you lose? Nothing, you got what you paid for, and with the legal transaction both parties agreed that the (licence to the) game equals the value of the money.
You paid 29$, got the game and have to return it - what did you lose? The 29$ you paid, and depending on the circumstances, you might be entitled to get them refunded.
You paid 0$, got the game and have to return it - you answer for me this time: What did you lose?
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I was going to reply to them but then I read their Witcher 3 review
smh
waste of time engaging with them
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Great, go play a black man in feudal Japan, when they spit in your face you say it's raining.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke
You're not as witty, clever or creative as you think you are, bigot.
Some extra sources because at least one of us is willing to put any effort into their side of the not-so-subjective debate of an existance of a person, with decent records:
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Yasuke has considerable sources mentioned from Japan too, I take that over the usual glazing of Japan about their purity and stuff.
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Muuhahahhahaa. You are referring to a pseudo encyclopedia that anyone can edit and whose content was falsified even by Ubisoft.
Yes Yasuke existed but he was treated like a pet and a curiosity. Japan then and today is one of the most xenophobic, racist and fascist countries on earth. I recommend for you to watching tv series Shogun from 1980, maybe then you will understand why placing a black man in feudal Japan is idiotic. And the Witcher games are games about Geralt, not about some Ciri that nobody cares about. It's like making a new Tomb Raider where you control not Lara Croft but her butler.
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And the Witcher games are games about Geralt, not about some Ciri that nobody cares about.
Good thing you keep on topic like a healthy, mentally stable person does , but you're either the worst troll in recent memory, or you'll get an aneurysm if you look up what's CD Project Red is making lol
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Ah great, it's one of those. Love how they used "Go woke, go broke"... on one of the most financially successful games in recent times.
Well, the discussion was going nowhere, anyways. It's like talking to a cheap knock-off of ChatGPT that was trained on a brain-damaged parrot.
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What have i lost? License worth $29. These are the facts. It doesn't matter how much I paid for it.
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You lost nothing. Paying users can get a refund. Your refund is $0.
https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/tos
We may withdraw or amend the Services, and any related service or content, or restrict access (including by means of cancellation, termination, or modification, or suspension of a user account) to all or certain users (including you) without notice and without liability to you in our reasonable discretion.
Licenses aren't worth beans. Especially not when free. The joy of digital ownership where they decide we shouldn't own a purchased product. But hey, you didn't purchase it.
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Of course I bought: https://www.epicgames.com/account/transactions?productName=egs
with a discount, but I still purchased the product worth $29.
Also this TOS does not apply to me, especially this provision because it is inconsistent with the law of my country and EU law, and in the case of concluding contracts with citizens of EU countries, EU law applies, not US law.
Also no 2: you provided the TOS of an Epic account and here we are talking about the Dark and Darker game license.
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Refunds cover what you paid, to your payment method. You were given a free license, with no payment, from no payment method. You got back what you spent.
Also no 2: you provided the TOS of an Epic account and here we are talking about the Dark and Darker game license.
This is about removal of a game from the Epic store, is it not?
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They didn't give me any free license. They sold me a license worth $29 with a 100% discount. In other words, they sold me the ownership of a product worth $29, and I paid $0 to acquire the rights to that product. Is this really too difficult for you to understand?
How does this relate to the game being removed from Epic? Valve removes thousands of games from Steam, but will never remove them from your account if you purchased them before they were removed.
I have a Sinking City which I bought from Nacon where the same problem was and no one took away my Sinking City.
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You weren't sold anything, you participated in a giveaway, you should learn the definition of selling. The product you received at the time of the giveaway was worth 0$ not $29, why are you using its product price before the giveaway and not of its price during the giveaway? You were gifted a product worth 0$ for 0$ and you'll be given 0$ in return. You can try using as much mental gymnastics as you want, at the end of the day you know it's true.
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Are we starting to prepare a group lawsuit against Epic?
If you can find a lawyer who will accept trading cards farmed from Fanatical freebies as payment 😅
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... but "the national and EU organizations will do everything for him"
So he have a lawyer for free and no work with all the stuff on top. Other people handle all :-D :-D :-D
So the trading card profitZ can be saved for other lawsuits to show the big corpos what real power is :-D :-D :-D
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Don't you have Verbraucherzentrale in Germany?
Do you not remember the lawsuit against Valve?
Additionally, BEUC operates in the EU.
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Just got an email for Epic letting me know about this.
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Wasn't it already taken down from Steam once because of similar publisher woes?
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surprised they are removing those from libraries as well.
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Epic is doing it "out of consideration" not because they have to. We have no confirmation steam will have to do anything unless they want to do it out of consideration. At the moment there doesn't seem to be dmca's out for it otherwise steam would've already taken it down right?
Read on the steam forums that this was apparently set already in February, so it's old news. Don't know too much about that tho.
Something along the lines of these devs having been caught for stealing secrets, and having to pay a $5 million fine for it, however there not being enough proof to show that these are related enough or copied games to what it was supposedly infringing on. So from what I read, it lost that cause, but won the cause of the secrets stealing. Maybe that's why epic didn't take it well and decided to delist it first, and now remove it?
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oooh no wait its free, in my steam library and ive played it a tiny bit. was not memorable in any way
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What matters is the removal of game license setting a terrible precedence. Discussion of refund is irrelevant in comparison. Good game or not so good I'd be pissed if I'd invested any amount of time in playing and game was removed suddenly.
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For the thread that has "Dark and Darker" in its name, it is very humorous read so far. It is nice when you start your mornings with a laugh. :)
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It's so funny how many people here are docile sheep, don't know their consumer rights and can't defend them.
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Here's an article from March 06, 2025 that will give some details as to what's going on. I've also provided the email that was sent out by Epic Games below.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/epic-games-store-pulls-free-to-play-dark-and-darker-as-copyright-dispute-continues
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