I hate to see a legend move on but sometimes there's a branching path that they must take to pursue the next chapter.
Keep writing "your" story.
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I don't fully understand the problem with group recruiting therads so maybe it's time for support to explain what's the real problem behind that.
We will wait patiently for you to come back.
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Maybe it's for the best that you took time away from the mundane here to re-evaluate things :)
Whether you come back with a fresh approach is all up to you. Be at peace.
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Yeah, I don't want to have a horrific "knee-jerk" reaction... It's better I cool off, since it is a rather big decision for me. I really enjoy this place a lot, and it's given me a lot of joy over the years...
Thanks!
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We would really miss you--not just for the giveaways, but mostly for who you are. Please cool off and then decide in favor of staying.
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I didn't know this was an issue, I'm so sorry to see you go and hope you come back soon. Take care. 💙
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Neither did I... I guess that's where the problem comes in. Nothing new was created... So, why are we suddenly in trouble? Just a sudden decision to start picking certain groups apart, and leaving others alone that also broke these same terms. Maybe a new rule should be created, or the former one that's confusing and currently not being enforced properly by the staff be changed?
According to the current rules, it is all violation, yet there is a lot of hypocrisy going on.
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So this is the second season of Nazi Mods of Steamgifts™, huh. Didn't think I'd live to see this day.
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That picture. You're correct. In the end we are just that...
Thanks for the fun! It's important we laugh at ourselves sometimes. ;)
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Would you mind repeating that in front of a Holocaust survivor? Provocation is possible without being that macabre.
Edit: Sorry then, I didn't detect the reference and the sarcasm within.
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its related to your permabanned steam friend lost soul, not against anybody in general....watch his steam profile for the latest lunatic news, or did you already read them ;-)?^^
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Thanks for the explanation! No, I barely read the activities feed anymore. However, I already told him what I think of it when he had posted a status message about this, when he was only temporarily banned here.
And that he's in my Steam friend list, doesn't say anything. I've never chatted with him. I have 279 friends, most of them just due to one time trades or negotiations. And I haven't encounter a situtation yet, in which I had to cleanup the list.
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Oh wow. It really can't be healthy to have a world view revolving that hard around one's nationality, and nothing else.
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Oh god xD
I just checked his profile xD
adolf mully, tzmoron, SS reffke, adam orban, jimsdrunk, grashopperfascist and a few others who all share the same vile ideology
Best laugh I had today.
But seriously - calling everybody who disagrees with you a "nazi" is so out of style.
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Although I was one of the affected, I have to say your comment crosses the line. It is way over the line, to be honest. There was nothing going on that can even remotely be linked to national socialism or any Nazi-behaviour. There isn't even censorship involved, just different interpretations of the rules. Semantics, in most cases. And hurt ego.
Linking Khalaqs actions to the word Nazi.. Not acceptable.
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you're still friends with the guy that called support, my friends, and me, nazis. 🤦♀️
i think THAT isn't acceptable, unless you agree with him.
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Dude was making a joke about another dude who went around calling anyone who disagreed with, scolded, or suspended him a Nazi. Dude's perma-suspended now and got it spammed all over his Steam profile.
In point of fact, I was one of the people he called a Nazi. :3
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We shall see... my cake day is the 24th so I will decide then... on what to do, if I should exit all groups based on it being against their current rules, etc. :3 Lots to digest here! Even rescinding my level to 0... might be a viable option, since I am cheating others out of profitz in a way, according to the rules and how it's worded. That's exclusion in and of itself! Getting better odds = making money off somebody else when they gift.
It's crazy to think of this in a realistic way... So yeah, lots of thoughts running through my mind. I need to comprehend this particular rule properly, but it's not at all clicking... based on the contradictions and double-standards going on...
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It isn't rational, but the rules are not either at this point. I'll have a "wait and see" approach and if something's amended and fixed, then I can participate again! Simple as that!
Love it here!
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No, just trying to help fix things... It's kinda broken, mods have been lax by not doing anything, and they still are leaving many groups who are profiting off of steamgifts via Group Recruitment alone. Any group gaining members for the sake of any kind of benefit should be removed (i.e. bundle-sharing groups/other private groups who gain by limiting their numbers for better odds on wins). This is an exploitation as well. Why are they being ignored?
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I don't know the exact happening, but it's sometimes difficult to differ between allowed and unallowed. I hope you're just taking a break, Fabs, and that it will also help you to focus on other important things. All the best!
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It was a half-cooked potato they were serving everyone. I call it as I see it. Why pick today to change things?
Somebody was failing in an epic way this whole time if it was suddenly not allowed without warning. What changed?!
That is why I am confused. It isn't that my group page goes down - it's the basic principle behind it, and the lack of maintaining it in its original format, if in fact it was to be used simply for "steamgifts-only" stuff, which none of the ones left in there are doing. That I am almost certain about. Just a little digging on a few random ones left "untouched" shows that fact.
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I only knew you for a short time and I'm sad to see you go. Best wishes and future success in whatever you do
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Well, at the end of the day you've gotta do what's best for you, and if that means taking a break or leaving, that's the way it goes.
That said I've enjoyed all your posts and hope you do decide to come back. Best of luck to you in whatever your future holds!
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Well, on many other sites someone luring potentially kids with candy (/GAs) to a group about 18+ content (where users are additionally asked to spend some on Patreon to support that scheme), such someone would have already been banned.
By which I do not mean to say that such was exactly the intent of a certain someone, but when that someone is looking for members to a group about 18+ content, that someone may perhaps consider the fact that not every site and/or section is 18+ (with e.g. on SG potentially being many underage users), and as well consider the fact that in some countries it could be even considered criminal to be as if grooming potentially minors by issues such as helping them circumvent censorship of content (as it is somewhat similar to pouring an alcoholic drink to a minor even if that someone doesn't know they are a minor, but didn't really make sure that they are not). In other words, they may perhaps rather be looking to recruit for such group on 18+ sites only.
So, besides some argument about: "Is secondary promotion of a Steam curator page in a forum thread ok or not?", if SG wants to be a site for all age-groups, then I do not really see a problem if even harsher measures are taken in cases where some don't realize or refuse to acknowledge that this site is not a back-room of their local 18+ shop nor a place to promote anysuch.
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I like this hypothetical mess... So who is this we are referring to? I need to meet them, then maybe I won't need steamgifts to succeed in my giant business venture where I'm making millions by exploiting minors... Wait, I get it! It's YOU!
How else do you know so much about it? I could use your experience since you are so well-versed on this issue. Hit me up if you're interested in joining! No shame in coming out in the open and being honest... I see through your mess of self-incrimination. Gave me a good chuckle. I hope you like my own joke, since it definitely fits, so lace that bitch up!
As a side note: Most R18+ curators are only curating and reviewing games fitting that profile, while most of my own curation has other games that are not 18+. The focal point is on candy, and anything dealing with that subject, risque or not... That is how I fit other types of games into my curation. Think of the adult content as a potential side-quest, since it suits my own interests, and I already had experience there, and then my reviewing of sweets, candy, fruits as my main quest. It is something I had not seen in curation, and I wanted a fresh approach to the whole scene - something where I could stand apart a little bit. Many games have fruits, candy, and other collectibles within, so it just felt perfect! It was near Halloween when I actually made my group public. All the parts just fit...
Minors are minors. Minors will be minors. Even if you go to porn sites, it asks if you are above 18 or 21 or whatever, and you have to put yes or no. If you put yes as a minor, that's out of their control. I can't control what a kid is going to click on or do in life - I'm sure there is free porn all over the internet, or they steal it from their own parents' rooms! I'm not here to teach kids morality or how to grow up in this horrible world with integrity. That is up to their parents. They are not my kids, if it is happening. More a reflection on society - and bad parenting than anything else, if one considers lying bad. Most of them are out lying, cheating, and stealing to make their own money anyway, trampling down the dreams of others to feed their own ego-tastic greed. Sorry if I am missing something, but yeah... it's a symptom of a bigger problem there. Not my responsibility. I only do what is allowed within the parameters set before me. Many others have been doing this for some time, so I assume it's fine. Until a rule is actually enforced (as seems to be the sudden case now, right before Thanksgiving here - I won't tread any further with that one...) then I just see others doing something, and I check up on it, and it seems okay, since people have been inviting others to Steam groups for years and years now, and that is also considered solicitation, even if it's in the interests of only steamgifts. It's still recruiting others to a group for some sort of advantage or gain. I won a lot of games in bundle groups before curation was around... It's easy if you can follow their rules ^ completely outside of anything related to Steamgifts....
Now onto the minors thing with steamgifts, and how out of control it is: It's not links that are the problem. It's much bigger than that.
People cross the line all the time in how they speak/type on here, and nobody gets punished for saying things that minors might not need to be exposed to (aka cursing, sexual innuendo, etc.). Memes, lennyfaces, other types of references - whether one "gets the joke" or not... Where do we go with all that then? I think we need moderation for everything, and make it tyrannical, correct? Since minors may be everywhere or anywhere! Let's just put ♥♥♥♥♥ over everything! Just like Steam! People still get around filtering... as they always will get around each rule as it is created. I wish this rule were followed by the mods from the day it was created, instead of a surprise attack much later down the line....
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The site rules clearly state:
"When posting links or content, that content should not force users, encourage users through reward, or primarily exist as a traffic source for users to perform an action for promotional, commercial, or monetary benefit. Such actions include but are not limited to clicking a referral link, liking a Facebook page, following a Twitter account, joining a Steam group, completing a survey, or making a donation."
and people are still surprised why their for-profit pages are not allowed in links...
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joining a Steam group
That one.... It's still broken...
And why was this not enforced, if the rules stated such. Why did moderators flippantly ignore their own rules for some time (and still are with some groups being allowed to have their grouping promoted if it's 'through steamgifts'. They are rewarded in smaller groups by winning games easier...
Or was this something more recent? I remember it being there for quite a while last time I read it! I read this a while back too...
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A shame to hear that. I hope you'll see things in another light tomorrow and reconsider - if not, then I wish you the best in your future endeavors nevertheless.
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We'll see! My cake day is the 24th, so I will decide then, most likely.
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Sometimes no moderator intervenes and it seems normal to promote something on the forum but, frankly, even to me it seemed forbidden. I have always seen the recruiting forum as dedicated to shady “exchange” groups and nothing more.
Btw they don't have sanctioned you but only asked to change the text. So... I don't understand why you're so angry 😟
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Sometimes no moderator intervenes
BINGO! You just found the problem. SLACK MODERATION!
Do your jobs right from day one, and we will see eye to eye.
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This is a common problem when moderators are volunteers. Forgive and forget...
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When it is fair I will do so, but the problems linger... How does one forget if something persists?
I will move on when there are some solid rules in place, with no lackluster efforts put forth - and everyone being okay settling for mediocrity when things could be much better! I am all about virtue and what is right and correct. Not side-stepping or half-assing stuff - willy-nilly ignoring what is strictly prohibited by the rules, and picking apart others that are doing the same thing basically.
Right now it's half-assed.... Hypocritical... bullshit! Change the rules, or stop. All or none. Period. That's why they're written... There should be nobody escaping the "long arm of the law". Rules are pointless if one allows exceptions and corruption to take place inside...
Making all these exceptions with ... any groups, the way it is written, is wrong. All are promoting something for gains... Period. Gaining one member is a step above having none, or just yourself. That is against the rules. Blacklists and whitelist, and invite-only's and the whole level up system is also against the rules, as somebody is gaining something advantageous over another. It's all a big fucking circus pyramid scheme fiasco... I'm not going to lie down and take that, even if you want to... I'm not in denial.
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The rule has been the same here since the day I registered. You can freely advertise your Steam GROUP on the forums, and everything else in giveaways. That's pretty generous, in my opinion.
If this is the worst thing that happens to you today, you're doing alright. Perhaps you'll see things through less colored glasses after you've cooled down a bit, because I'm fairly certain this isn't the kind of impression you intended to leave people with.
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Thanks a lot for the sound advice. :D
I'm thinking things over. It's just shocking it was allowed for a while, then suddenly slammed shut. The rules should either be enforced, or not... I'm losing faith in the ability of steamgifts to hold itself in check with stuff like this surprising me.
I came here for good surprises, and not bad ones! A place to escape and give things out, since I like doing that.
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Had you been able to see things from the outside, perhaps it would have been made clearer why steps were taken. The forums were being over-run with advertising, far more than I've seen since I joined. The number of threads to which Khalaq had to reply was astounding. I can see more clearly than ever why they limit that sort of advertising to giveaways. I don't believe you or anyone else comes to Steamgifts to spend their time sifting through advertising on the forums. In the long run, it was better for the community that these steps were taken.
I'm glad you've cooled down some. More often than not, the hardest thing to do is take a step back and take an objective look at things. But typically when we do, we see those obstacles aren't nearly as daunting as we thought they were.
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Agreed in a sense, but I still think some important parts are being ignored, and the current rules are in direct contradiction to having any groups, level systems, whitelist, etc. at all. Only level 0 public giveaways make any sense to me... in the current way it's written. Maybe I just don't understand plain english...
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Or maybe you're still seeing things through colored glasses.
Now, since you're not allowed to post your curator link, all groups, whitelists, and levelled giveaways are "wrong?" Come on, man, you're not even being reasonable. The rule about advertising has been the same since I joined. You've been here long enough to know better without needing someone to spell it out for you.
My advice? Just get over it and move on. You're only hurting your image and that of your curation and your group if you continue with this.
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At the end you've gotta do what's best for you if that means taking a break, leaving or not.
That said I've enjoyed all your posts and hope you do decide to stay/come back.
Best of luck to you in whatever your future holds. My steammessages and comments are always open for you.
Maybe hold yourself on this joke:
"Sometimes you loose
and sometimes the others win :-D"
I understand your frustration very well.
The support don't use the same rules for all members, my experience are the same.
You get calling out suspensions for little jokes and other people can insult users as hard as they wish without a suspension. No explanation (i know the limitation of the ticket system). And partly staff friends from the reported ones handle there tickets.
Users can take games for selling/trading, don't activate wins, multiwins, partly 9x, without getting a perma suspension. A bad joke in my eyes.
I reported some dude because his heavy promotion of his "campaign against....". Yes he wanted money to do good things and none can verify if that money goes somewhere else then in his pocket...
Such threads were not closed, or more exactly were only closed how the support members mood was. Sometimes it was ok, sometimes not, one mod harder, one softer. In germany we would call that "Wischiwaschi", the explanation is difficult. I would translate it with "no clear/straight way".
I have half of the support staff (Support, Mods, Super Mods) in my whitelist and i like them. So i want say clearly that ithink the most make a good job and are nice people (on first place for sure Pete).
I would be very happy when i can let that stand here without something behind it ... but i can clearly say that a few other ones always point out in a bad way. And the same guys point out in that bad way by each and everyone i talked about that direction.
Patreons that are very long here think the same way as the other ones about that guys and there (über)reactions/or not reactions.
And than it is clear that this guys do, at least, a bad job or that it smells fishy.
I don't say names or give hints to the people i direct that sentences because it will change nothing. The year at sg have shown me that all invested energy, that don't go DIRECT to the nice people here, is wasted.
Thats the reason why i lowered all activities done since the last month (free games infos, reports, suggestions, discussions, threads, comments, giveaways. A Part of them stopped completely). Without a big thread -that was my first reaction in my mind but i have realized that this comes from my hurt ego, the wish to change something/anything to the better and the knowledge that it will not change something. So in the end it would only be important "for me -and people that like me-" and only cost energy without a positive result. So not worth the lifetime and energy.
They should be happy with the people they want on this site....
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Yeah, I should be happy and just try not to let it get to me. I don't want that to influence whether I want to totally abandon the site or not. I have three days to decide... My cake day is the 24th, so that's when I will most likely choose if I want to waste any more time and effort here or not.
There is a lot of hypocrisy I am seeing in what is going on though, as the rule should basically ban everything that gives any advantages, since the level system, whitelist, blacklist, and invite-only giveaways in puzzles section, for example, even discussions in general about something free that is limited time, are all giving certain members access to giveaways and other things by doing something that somebody else did not do.
Anyway, I'll try to just keep my joy, and figure stuff out... Good advice! Thanks!
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Like it states in the FAQ/Terms whatever the hell they want to call this cesspool of befuddlement:
When posting links or content, that content should not force users, encourage users through reward, or primarily exist as a traffic source for users to perform an action for promotional, commercial, or monetary benefit. Such actions include but are not limited to clicking a referral link, liking a Facebook page, following a Twitter account, joining a Steam group, completing a survey, or making a donation.
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Steamgifts own level system breaks the first bold part. They want you to put money into the site through giveaways to keep people attracted to stay afloat, in a pyramid-scheme set to allow you access to higher chance giveaways, like gambling with fringe benefits to those who have a bigger pile of chips - so they can go all-in and break the other players with less chips, for an example. Better odds with less users.
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Second part is violated by every group, pretty much - whitelist, blacklist, invite-only in a roundabout way even. Any group that does its own giveaways is creating a reward system that unfairly gives these members the advantages of giveaways, while the rest of the public community gets no chance. None of the bundle groups were really targeted in the "Group Recruitment" section, even though that term stipulated is being directly violated...
The benefit or reward?
Again... it's better odds, smaller pools of users to gain more wins from quicker, thus creating its own exploitation scheme.
It should go further than just group recruitment though. I think it should be only public level 0 giveaways as long as this obscure rule sticks as is... since the rest simply violates it, pure and simple. It's just black and white fact.
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I want to do the right thing. Advertising for groups (which is allowed apparently, but should not be according to...) in Group Recruitment is breaking those rules. I don't wish to continue breaking the rules, then have to go through this again later when an "evolution" suddenly happens with no PSA or announcement of any type, and get surprise attacked on the next go-round. That's all...
I can't in good conscience leave my group recruitment thread up for even the steam group, knowing that each and every one is pretty much in it for some kind of gain. That's the bottom line. This rule is broken, and it is not my fault the moderation was slack here. I have been a moderator on many sites in the past, and it's not easy, I'll say that... but we should have enforced these rules the way they are written or change it so it's clear what can and cannot be done... I just hope there is amendments or changes. The principle behind it...
I can't keep it as it was removing just the "curation plug" - knowing it still violates this rule, as it is written on 11/21/2018. If nobody points out the flaws and just settles, we are in bigger trouble than my "drama".
Taking a stand against what we think is wrong, or can be improved upon, is how we can get things done, so yeah... proposing something that can solidify things, and eliminate surprises and confusion, which I have had - since this has been a long-standing rule, yet it is just now coming to light that we need to change things... I don't understand - also a lot of other groups violating it are being selectively removed from "the purge".
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Good points!
I think I agree mostly with what you're saying. Tomorrow I am making my decision - and I don't know if it'll stick either way if I go or stay. It will be my cake day, so I figure it's as good as any day. It's not just my untouched wins, but I am also in many of the bundle groups and other groups making "special arrangements" to have things more rigged than they are for the level 0 public user - completely random-style system. Problem with all level 0 is it would probably mostly go to bots. Of course not playing games is about the same, though I do not sell a large part of cards I earn from any game, if I idle it. It's simply because it was in my collection, since I am somewhat of a hoarder.
I would prefer a clean all-or-nothing approach, or an amendment to the rules being broken by SG staff, and everyone who participates in any giveaways over level 0, but oh well... Level 0 gives everyone a chance at those odds, so that's why I mentioned it doesn't break that rule as much as everything else... it's the most fair and the most agreeable to the context of what is currently written there. Everything else right now violates that. Whether I create, or join any other type of giveaway. It simply is contradictory.
I just feel if I continue to stay in groups, and keep breaking the rule - the one that I was targeted for that I mentioned... I'll break those bold points. My integrity is telling me maybe I should do something different, or just host giveaways elsewhere from steamgifts (where there is no rule I am breaking... unlike what is currently written) for my group(s) or anything else I'd want to promote. I wish I could understand it or see it to be something else, the way it is written. I simply cannot...
I will give it one final day of thought. I appreciate your response though. It does make a lot of sense. Maybe if I leave, I can re-check the rules down the road, and they'll feel better to me if they are written in a proper manner - to include some of these certain "omissions and exclusions", as far as creating for or joining any groups, or other things currently being broken, since they all encourage through reward.
Why else would anybody enter them?
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I can highly relate to your sense of the hypocrisy at play here, and I do think that there is a severe lack of consistency in terms of what kinds of threads and comments are allowed to remain. Certain individuals, topics, situations, etc are favored while others are treated roughly.
That said, I do think you're misreading the quoted section from the FAQ/Terms. Where it says "... for users to perform an action for promotional, commercial, or monetary benefit," you are reading it as referring to (or at least including) the benefit to the users who perform the action. However, I am certain that the point being made is that whomever is posting the link / content is the one who is not allowed to benefit.
Obviously, as you say, anyone joining a group or partaking in a puzzle or clicking a private giveaway link is benefiting in some way. That is certainly not against the rules. What cg apparently wants to block is advertisers / promoters / etc from using giveaways as a vehicle for getting some benefit (a like, a follow, a subscribe, a donation, whatever). He wants giveaways to only occur for "free" and out of the goodness of individuals' hearts.
Now, I think that is a rather questionable position, and I personally would favor a system which gave users choice and responsibility, rather than "protecting" them from being encouraged to perform an action in order to partake in a giveaway. However, that is a different point of consideration I think than what seems to be a major sticking point for you.
Though, since we're on this subject, what about private group rules? Last I knew it was OK for giveaway groups to have rules as to who could remain a member whether that means playing won games, writing reviews, maintaining a certain ratio in-group, taking part in group chat, etc. That seems to have the exact same effect as posting a giveaway with certain requests (like, follow, etc), and yet it is allowed.
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Hmm but groups that are ignored do benefit... by being in smaller pools and creating rules that allow better odds for games = monetary benefit.
By the way, my curation is free. I am not gaining anything by asking for somebody to see if they like the service I provide. They can check it, and say "this sucks!", and leave... It should be up to the user. I make no money from it... I make as much money as I'd make in a bundle group or otherwise, like I said above... Even less!
My curations aren't going to get AAA top-notch games, so it's not like that at all. As a matter of fact, I worked with a developer or two to give away large amounts of games to steamgifts, so this ultimately hurts it overall, unless they can weed through the good curators, and the ones just boosting things to gain games or other things... I don't have anything on my sites tied to money. Period. It all goes through STEAM. By the way, Steamgifts - the word itself - is half STEAM. Without steam, without curation, and without developers being promoted, many games that are given out and supported might not even be known! I'm helping developers, and they want to say no to that? Why?!
I do understand not wanting abuse of the system, but there should be leeway - and I guess that will be ironed out soon enough, if things can be amended. The surprise attack got me flustered too. Wasn't expecting it the day before Thanksgiving in America. Really low blow across the board there....
Now, I think that is a rather questionable position, and I personally would favor a system which gave users choice and responsibility, rather than "protecting" them from being encouraged to perform an action in order to partake in a giveaway. However, that is a different point of consideration I think than what seems to be a major sticking point for you.
Yeah - this! If we have more freedom, we in the long run benefit I think. The more oppression, the less people want to be involved. I will now have 0% interest in ever doing a sg patreon now. This killed any chance of that, though I considered a few times... since it's such an awesome community/place!
The last part as well... confuses me greatly. Why pick and choose here? These groups gain advantages, as I have mentioned several times. Even Archi mentioned it... and he is the owner of one of these groups, so that should speak volumes alone...
Your comment is full of reasonable stuff though. Thanks for making me and maybe others think about it a little bit... It's important for changes in the right direction to have some discussion, disagreements, and finally maybe something that benefits for the greater good, hopefully. Without some back and forth, we wouldn't get far as a group in any setting. Major respect, ceildric.
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Adding my Sekiro™: Shadows Die Twice giveaway! #1 on the Community Wishlist! :D
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I need to do some serious thinking after removing a few of my discussions on here focused on Group Recruitment topics, which are not allowed, or only allowed in part, apparently, when it suits the interests of steamgifts in some even minor way (which many groups being used to recruit only partially do... I can see where this is going). Nobody is being forced to do anything, and barely anybody joins them anyway.
I'll be sure to check back until my last few giveaways end, and honor the recipients of those said giveaways...
Aside from that, time for me to pursue other things. I think I've had enough for now. May come back tomorrow, may not ever come back.
I won't complain any more. There is nothing else to be said. The definition of recruitment says it all. It should say STEAMGIFTS GIVEAWAY GROUPS RECRUITMENT THREAD, or something to that nature, instead of misleading people? C'mon! We are splitting hairs here.. It will start to backfire eventually.
Next, giveaway links for anything will be banned, or some other shit like that. Wonder how long it'll take.
Anyway, maybe I'll be back. Maybe not. Don't hold your breath. Don't bother responding here, as I will almost certainly not answer it (I lied), if the topic even stays up for longer than 10 minutes without somebody shutting it down, since it speaks the truth.
EDIT: I'M BAAAAACK!!!!!!!!! Have been for a while - won't change a thing for now. WINNING!
Oh, right, here! I almost forgot! Community #1 Wishlisted game!
Sekiro™: Shadows Die Twice - Level 0+
Sorry, but you left yourself open to this one! Womp-womp! ^_^
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