Although this is very clear can you tell me why not so I can understand it a bit better?
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If you like your privacy dont use it.
But you can also mess with the settings to change it. But I dont guarantee it'll work 100%.
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Do you know what happen when you select "Disabled" in option above? :P
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xDDD People should read at least once the microsoft EULA.... its boring as hell but "worth it"
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But this feature is only for Microsoft insider preview initiative.
There will no be such thing in his own desktop version.
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I don't know much about WIndows 10, since im not interested, but from the things I've read I won't be updating.
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Privacy? What privacy? If you own a computer or a phone you not have any privacy left these days.
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While that is true, it will be worse with Win 10. Right now NSA is the only one snooping through your underwear drawer....this will let Microsoft have a free peek at will too.
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That is a very stupid argument. Why don't you wear shirts with your cell phone number on them and replace all your walls with glass?
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Its not stupid. Whenever you access a website it shows your IP, the time you visited, your user agent, and how many times per day you enter the website. It doesn't seem that 'dangerous' but I guess you won't be that happy knowing some random dude on the internet can geolocate you.
Just a little example of "privacy" without talking about the OS.
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look, being in the internet means that. If you don't want your privacy violated, don't use the internet, it's simple.
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The world is not Black and White. Your argument its very simplistic and implies that there are only two choices; use the internet and loss privacy, or don't use the internet and keep your privacy.
The world is not so simple man, there is a grayscale in every human action, and I consider that "black and white" recommendations as yours are not constructive or helpful, they seem extracted from a fatalist and conformist philosophical base.
Don't you think its better to complain(in a proactive way) against those privacy policies?
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Dude, i would only complain against privacy policies if they would hurt me in any way. Sure, we should complain about absurd policies. Now, if they had to withdraw every policy because SOMEONE(s) gets offended by it, there would be NO policy and that's simply shit.
Yeah, i'm a simplist in this subject and i believe the use of personal info by some company is valid because that moves the economy, protects peace(sometimes) and help us too(sometimes).
Well, about the complaining in a proactive way, i would agree with you if the right phrase would be "criticize, in a proactive way, those privacy policies".
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Sadly, the use of the word "complaint" is highly extended in the business world, is not coincidence that the companies use the famous "complaint boxes" to receive both, complaints and criticism. I understand what you said, the information, is the new currency of this age in my opinion. Anyway, I don't agree in your point about these policies protecting peace, if a government of X country really wants to protect and EXTEND peace in their territory, they need to invest in education, but its not only about throwing money to schools, its about developing better education systems that adapts and INTEGRATES the poor and most vulnerable sections of their populace without any kind of stratification.
An educated society wont need their personal info exposed to achieve peace.
In Norway for example, "Police in Norway fired their guns only twice last year – and no one was hurt" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/norways-police-only-fired-two-bullets-last-year--and-no-one-died-10374662.html
That's an example of an educated society achieving peace. Of couse, peace is a subjective term, there will always going to be psychopaths here and there, and bad things will happen because that's part of the human condition.
I don't pretend you to agree with me, it's clear that our ideological and philosophic bases are different.
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the protection of peace comes when the info is used against those psychopaths or criminals, not to wage war and terror, or something. I think you misunderstood me. And before you say that criminals can disappear with better education(i agree), there's always those crazy rich guys who go in a rampage because they have nothing to do.
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Certainly, crime prevention using personal data from a mentally ill person can help. Sadly, at least in my country (Mexico) the security institutions are deeply corrupted and they use your data against you. I will not be so worried about my personal info if the agencies weren't corrupted. So in an Ideal world, what you propose can be very helpful to prevent crimes.
Your last words remind me of a movie called The Purge haha
Cheers man
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I'm brazilian and my government is getting like yours but i still believe in the good(and hope i leave my country for good), that's the reason i have that idealistic ideia.
That movie is cool :D
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Ikr, but windows 10 is worse when it comes to privacy.
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You know... at least since Win 7 Microsoft has free access to this data, so...
Such a times.
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What video card do you have? Will it support DX12?
Edit: if so you will definitely want to pick it up, it's a bit overhyped but dx12 promises a large increase in gaming performance
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I don't think so, Windows 10 is just a patched and improved version of Windows 8. It's what Win 8 was supposed to be.
If games run in Win 8, they'll most likely works in Win 10.
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This sounds very interesting as for my really old point and click games I use my simple touchscreen laptop working under Windows 8 already. Most of the times the realy old ones work better on this then they do on my pc.
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Been using Windows 10 TP for the last 6~ months, every game I've ever played in that time frame has worked fine with no additional configuration. Windows 10 is basically 8/8.1 just more stable and optimized.
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Thanks for the answer but as at least 70% of my games are older games I'm still a bit worried.
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if you have any old game from GOG, they said they tested them all and that they all work in Win 10
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Games running the GoldSrc engine and engines from around the same time still work. Older games like Doom, will require an emulator, however, this isn't new as you need it in Win 8 too.
So yeah, you shouldn't be worried about your games.
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yes why not and its free cause if not in a year you will have to pay like 109$ :3
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For a gaming PC you're pretty much going to have to if you want to play new stuff. Just like Vista did with DX10, they're making DX12 exclusive. Sooner or later there are going to be games that could run on your hardware but can't due to you not using a DX12 compatible system.
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many dx10 and 11 games can even run on 9? I believe?
so what you're talking about may take some 3 years to even become an issue
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Yes, but with the launch of Vista came some notable DX10 exclusives like Halo 2. I assume the vast majority of games will not require DX12 for some time as you say, but the free upgrade path is only good for a year.
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While is will be DX12 exclusive, I will be curious to see how well they are able to bully game makers into using it. They know the numbers of people still using Win7 that will distrust MS and don't want to cut off a large portion of their sales by excluding them by letting MS try to force everyone to switch to 10. There are just too many people that won't do it.
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I am wondering this too. There are also a lot of people using graphics hardware that is incapable of DX12, so any exclusives would force people to upgrade their hardware.
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Why I won't get it
-I might prefer to wait for it to be "mature"
-win8 works wonders on my settup, any and all problems I've had so far (almost) are all solved already. A new OS might reintroduce some headaches.
-My system is probably nearly as optimized as it gets for what I have, a new OS might introduce headaches here too
-It'd cost me a whole 24hours to re-setup everything
Reasons to get it
-free?
-newer
-great new features, for me the multiple desktop spaces would be AWESOME. I don't need the start button anymore though, I've adapted and made my own system which is better.
All in all, I plan on getting a pc in the next 5 years anyways, so I'll keep "lovely" win8
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This is exactly my fear. In the past my ex could fix it but now I have to do it myself if something is not working properly and I'm definitely not a computer wizard, not at all.
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I'm a pc wizard and that's still a very big point for me^_^
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Even for computer wizards installing a new OS is a pain. It's not that it is super hard to do, but it takes so much time and you need to get used to it all, which takes time. If you've had your pc for a while, chances are you know exactly where to click and can navigate anywhere really quickly. A new OS might ruin that (it's not a big point, but if you mess a lot with game files, then being quick can save a lot of time).
Personally I won't update. I'm gonna wait until it is a bit older and any major problems that pop up (and problems will pop up) are fixed. I think when windows 8 was just released it was a pain for gamers, over time it became better, but I'm kind of scared that it will happen again.
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Honestly i waiting for Win 10 becuz for now no DX12, so dnt need now, future yes, but now is useless.
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Noo, it's a trap, Windows - Skynet.
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I would recommend it. Used the insider preview and it made a clean and fresh impression. A mixture of Win 7 and Win 8 with a modern design. As far as I know most software which runs on Win 8 will be running on Win 10, too.
I will update my Windows but more because I want to test out Direct3D 12 development. I'm still thinking about some months "waiting time" though because I'm not sure how stable the release will be.
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I'd say get it but wait till its out so you can hear other peoples impressions, no need to rush it.
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Just don't
"When you acquire, install and use the Program, Microsoft collects information about you, your devices, applications and networks, and your use of those devices, applications and networks. Examples of data we collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; and application usage. For example ...:
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Yes, it is true and applies not only to windows 10 but for 7 and 8 for all users installed update kb3022345.
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The mentioned update for Windows 7/8 came out of 05/07/2015. I guess now there is a new version, but update come with DiagTrack or Diagnostics Tracking Service - this is a new Services on Windows 10.
Windows 10's 'built-in keylogger'? Ha ha, says Microsoft – no, it just monitors your typing
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/07/windows_10_data_collection/
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"Users who join the Windows Insider Program and opt-in to the Windows 10 Technical Preview are choosing to provide data and feedback that will help shape the best Windows experience for our customers." So it is for the Technical Preview version, not for the normal. Stop the cherry picking.
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Ok elmerenges, I am definitely cherry picking. Microsoft, Google and many other companies do not collect information about their users.
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Another fallacy: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
I didn't say that they not collecting infos. I just pointing out that your argument about the 'built-in keylogger' is false.
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Windows 10 still has not reached RTM, this means that anyone who installs it will got and keylogger which currently has proven that it is in the preview version. Which was not true?
And something interesting, here is how webopedia define keylogger http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/K/keylogger.html. As you can see "Some keylogger programs will also record any e-mail addresses you use and Web site URLs you visit..So in short, exactly how I disorient someone?
And once again I say, everyone has the right of choice.
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From OP: "Now Windows is offering a free update to 10 should I do it or not?"
So, the question is about the normal version, and you are speaking about the Insider Version.
And some info about the "keylogger":
http://www.geek.com/microsoft/microsoft-clears-the-air-on-windows-10-keylogger-1606160/
http://lifehacker.com/windows-10s-keylogger-fiasco-has-been-blown-out-of-pr-1642931793
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/31rxsv/disable_keylogger_windows_10/
First of all, you agreed to this when you install the Preview version. It's a really jerk move, to sign up for testing and not provide the telemetry data in return.
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I answered precisely and clearly on the question of the author. And it shows even in your quote, namely the author asks for "Now" not when the final version coming out or two months or something else. And for this moment - "Now", now you can install version of Windows 10 with keylogger.
And even more, for now telemetry in the Preview, which includes a keylogger, most likely / but can not be sure yet, at least I do not work for them and I do not have such information /will not be in the final version, but Microsoft will continue to gather information. What information they will continue to gather has not been defined, but they will at a minimum look at what you're doing so that they can target advertising their paid users. It won't be a keylogger /in the strict sense of the word/, but it will including looking at everything you search for on your computer, on the Internet, which applications you use.
And regarding your last sentence, who is exactly jerk here? Users who helping them for free to make their paid product better and for gratitude they record all your passwords, what websites you visit, when and what you're talking with your friends. Yes you're right, testers are such ingrates.
If we lived closer we would do a good discussion over a beer. Too bad that is not the case.:)
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Wow, seems like Microsoft really wants to control the world.
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Do you honestly think everyone else isn't collecting the same information? Google and Apple are doing the same exact thing
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Of course not. I wrote that, unfortunately they are not the only ones, but that does not mean that we should allow with no attempt to resist.
It is easy for me, I'm not a big gamer (this can easily check when you see my profile), I use Linux, I do not use offspring of Google that listens and records everything. Furthermore, several useful Linux tools, but the topic is not for the this.
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I don't really see this as an argument for this case. No matter what OS you use, this information will be collected.
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Dnomyar96, it was just my opinion. I'm not going to convince anyone what to use or not. Some information will be collected, another scenario simply does not exist. That is right. Surely it will not be Microsoft and Google - simply because I do not use their services and block their known IP addresses. Also, to access most sites I am using VPN.
Also see the link which jschleter gave https://www.ted.com/talks/glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matters.
Simply I do not want to be treated like sheep obediently stand to be sheared.
Because they collect this information in order to turn us people into products that sell.
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I don't really understand for what exactly. For an average user the worst the big companies can do is sell their info to advertisement resellers, so you see personalised ads everywhere, and may have spam in your email.
Yes, sucks to be a product, but with a simple adblock you literally cannot even tell that this even happens.
I mean it's not like a Google armed elite commando is gonna bust in your house and force you to use Google+ just because they know who you are and where do you live.
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talgaby, it was just my opinion. nothing more.
I see you live in a European Union country, this also applies to me.
So if the police want access to this same information / email, friend, etc. /, they must obtain permission from the court. Is not it like that? This protection is to ensure nobody can misuse our personal information.
And at the same time we say it's OK for companies to collect this information and even do not mind to sell to advertising companies? I personally do not agree.
This is a big problem, if companies have that power now, what will happen in a few years?
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But, frankly, this is my question: what can happen in a few years? What could a company that I'm not an employee of do to me?
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talgaby, unfortunately I can not answer you, I am not a prophet. But the good thing at the moment is that anyone can use what he wants. For the moment, we have an alternative choice, for me that is enough.
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If you're not sure, just wait a week or 2 and see what other people say about it.
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I am using the insider preview and it works fine for me. However if you have concerns, it may be worth pointing out that you have a whole year to decide and upgrade. So you will not use anything if you are not upgrading on the very first day.
Also, upgrading from Win7 is more like a complete reinstall of everything, so you may want to consider doing it when you actually have time.
If you have concerns about privacy, I hope you use no Google services (including Android devices) and especially not Facebook. You may want to uninstall Steam too, as it collects data about your PC and installed applications (though it asks you about it).
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I'll wait several months for few patches and maybe some service pack to come and then I'll upgrade. My computer isn't very good for 2015 standards, so things like dx12 are absolutely over my head. Even if I had top-end computer, I probably wouldn't upgrade right away. Some software might be in beta testing for very long time, but some bugs still emerge upon release, because then those real average Joes start to use it rather than people who know where to find everything.
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If you are worried about your data, facebook doing this for years, even when you surf with Firefox, Chrome etc your cookie information are saved in websites called Big Data. If you are worried about your data stop using computers with a Internet connection.
I will get windows 10 because of directx 12 and Visual Studio 2015 which makes my development work much fast.
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Yes, take it. Maybe don't install it straight away, if you are worried.
To be 100% safe, you can make a 1:1 backup of your system with Macrium Reflect (free), then install Win10. If something goes wrong, you revert to Win 7.
I'd be surprised if something goes wrong though.
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Yes. You have 30 days to switch back to W7/W8/W8.1 if you don't like W10.
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No. At least not yet. Wait few months.... like 11. If something have thought me about Windows OS'es there is always Service Pack Edition which fixes most of the issues, and so far there wasn't single version that was smooth on release.
So far there is no real benefit on switching to Win10, and DX12 argument is "mow-point" due not existing games for it nor there is any concrete proof that older DX games will run better on it.
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I'd wait though. See what the early adopters say and wait for Microsoft to patch a few major issues, if there will be any.
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If you are already on Win8/8.1 there is no reason to not upgrade. (unless you have a killer app that doesn't work on it yet - for example I could imagine a streamer would want to wait and make sure his screen capture software still works on 10 (but as said before if it works on 8, it most likely works on 10)).
Now for 7... I'm not sure, it seems to be the last windows version where YOU (kinda) have control over (that's just how I feel about it). So one might consider going with it for the next 10 or so years. There probably will be no disadvantage apart from maybe rarely a game where you can only select the 2nd best shadow or texture option (I call it the console setting) due to lack of dx12.
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So far Microsofts plans to only support Windows 7 until 2020.
So I might as well just upgrade within the first year, where it is free of cost.
Edit: But I feel you about Windows 7. I will keep at least one W7 Ultimate license until it expires.
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As far as computer tech is concerned until 2020 is a very long time. Maybe they even come up with something decent meanwhile, who knows?
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Well, they already have this thing called the hololens. If it will really work as they say, then we are so much closer to not even needing a pc anymore. So in 2020 we might not even need windows anymore (although I doubt we will get rid of pc's in coming decades).
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No more windows? Will we still have doors? ;)
Flying cars? Seriously, 5 years is not that long and people keep always expecting too much of the future.
Otherwise, where's my hoverboard in 2015?
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Just so you know.. if you do take the bait.. your Win 8 serial will be converted to Win 10 and there is no turning back.. so be sure you want it before you make the move.
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Only 8 months ago I got my first gaming pc. When I build it I did choice to install Windows 7 64 on it instead of Windows 8 because it supossed to be better for gaming. (I read this on several forums so just believed it). Now Windows is offering a free update to 10 should I do it or not? I do have quite a few old/older games as I like them. Will my pc and my games still work properly if I update?
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