How much does this bundle matter to you?
I support trying to be as least racist as possible, but it's a little out of hand, as is that price.
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i get that lives matter but this is getting funny, everyone is using these words right and left and they are losing their true meaning, a lot of people are trying to make money out if it, it sucks
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"all proceeds from sales of this bundle will be donated"
try again
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does it matter? they get exposure in the expense of this
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It matters when your original point was that they were cheapening the words by trying to profit off them.
As well as 'paying people in exposure' being a bizarre notion.
Disagreements about pricepoints aside, they're offering their work as a prompt to donate.
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So by that logic no company should ever raise money for a good cause, because they might also benefit from it?
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good cause and not even this bundle is the problem here. problem is that a lot of things are just happening now based on it and are not necessarily correct. yes, original cause is important and charity is ok, but this is not the only problem in the world and it's not "only" black lives matter, it's all lives. just to use this cause for everything and use it as an excuse is not ok. everyone used everything for Australia's fires and are moving on with next big exposure things. you can donate to charity but why make something just for this one exposed problem? why not any other cause? you want to tell me that people are not using this for PR?
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and it's not "only" black lives matter, it's all lives.
The movement is not named "only black lives matter", so please don't misinterpret it. Its name is "black lives matter". That does obviously not exclude non-black lives.
you can donate to charity but why make something just for this one exposed problem? why not any other cause?
Companies do charity stuff all the time. It's not just happening now for this cause, it also happened countless times before for all kinds of causes. Some causes are more important than others. And yes, some generate more attention then others. But it's still good that they do this, whenever they do it, is it not? I mean, what is even your argument? Do you want them to not do charity stuff at all, yes?
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Nobody is saying "only" black lives matter.
If "all lives matter" then that means black lives matter, as part of that.
Do you understand what a triage is?
Because that's what BLM effectively is.
The BLM movement have also championed white lives that were taken due to misuse of police force, so can we please, finally move past being upset that a community is daring to support itself? Thanks.
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and it's not "only" black lives matter, it's all lives.
While all lives do matter, not all lives need as much help as others. I saw this analogy on Facebook, and found it fitting.
A neighbor's house is on fire. The fire department shows up and goes to work putting out the fire. Are they saying your house doesn't matter simply because they're not spraying water on your house, or is the house on fire the one that needs spraying right now? Do you begrudge your neighbor? Are you angry at the fire department for not spraying your house? Of course not.
Maybe your house will need to be sprayed down with water at some point, but right now your neighbor needs it more. This charity happens to be focused on "your neighbor." That's all.
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The analogy kinda falls apart when you know the fire department generally does spray the neighbours, just to keep the fire from spreading. If you focus on just the house on fire you risk having the fire spread to other houses, and thus it not being contained even when it dies at the original house.
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I didn't say "next door neighbor", but way to overlook the message for the details.
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Not really, the message was "douse the flames here, ignore the neighbour" and my point was that, like real life, you could just displace the flames doing so, douse one fire while another started because of it.
But way to overlook the message for the details.
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You're just aching for an argument, and I don't have time for stupid bullshit.
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Nice. Hassat sounds exactly like that character in the comic below. Even the weirdest caricatures sometimes become real.
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I saw the same crap on the Facebook post. They don't agree with the message, so they nitpick the details to distract people from what's being said.
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You don't douse just one house. That comic is stupid. I talk about ACTUAL firefighters. And the same is true as anology if you douse just one fire you risk spreadinv. You douse and prevent spreading.
Stop being idiots who think it can just be one or the other. Don't try to "interprit" my words if you got no clue what i said, intentionally mistepresenting me.
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There is no selfless deed. Your logic literally means that there can't be a single charitable deed due to some side-effects of that.
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Good point, but at the end of the day, the point for all charities is PR, but not in the sense you claim. The Australia Wild Fire fund absolutely didn't get even near the support when the big fires weren't raging.
You can't make a bundle of "Literally every single charity in the world Bundle" since there isn't enough money in the world to help all charities. So when a fire springs, you send a fire brigade. It's just efficiency. That's why you don't have a firetruck on every corner of a street. Sure, it's a waste of gas and time to make them move all over the place and the fire department will get people to love them when they finally show up during a fire, but there's no point in being at a place without a fire.
There are a shitton of charity drives for charities that aren't dealing with a crisis. But you're proving my point here perfectly. You're not even aware of them. You never even mentioned Humble Bundle, which is driving money to charities 24/7 with their fundraisers. You never mentioned companies that decide to donate some of their income to charities, like Candid, which donates money to dental repair charities with every single purchase.
I try my best to assume the best in people's arguments, but I'm so baffled here with your logic. But seriously I'd love to hear why you ignored that Humble Bundle exists. Why do you ignore any charity drives. Why do you ignore any event that raises money for charity? Were you genuinely so stuck in your argument that you subconsciously just made this argument without thinking? Or what's the deal?
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Impressive how they already reached their goal, with an average contribution of $39.57.
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Just that the top donation is $150. So this would only compensate for very few smaller donations.
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lmao. hopefully you'll get incarcerated then bootlicker. the system is never wrong!
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Well, maybe he wont try to burn down a business so he doesnt have to be worried about that.
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So BuriedAboveGround mentioned sarcastically that the system is "never wrong" and your answer to that is that anyone not trying to burn down business doesn't have to worry about getting arrested?
Oh the irony. Yeah, all these protests happen because people get exactly what they deserve, from the system.
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Burriedaboveground hopes that Justseedy gets incarcerated. I replied that Justseedy does not need to worry about that if he doesn't commit arsony. If you want to worry about statistical outliers, you can stay awake all night long. Maybe you don't know how to read, that is fine, happy to explain it to you.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZmxaZ_WoAEuYnl?format=jpg&name=large
There's literally hundreads of videos of cops attacking peaceful protestors. In the age of google it's shameful how people CHOOSE to be ignorant...
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At this point they are just trying to take advantage of the situation.
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There are better charities you can invest your money in like one for helping actual people cough COVID-2019 awarness cough
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That's your opinion.
Do you really think people are 'unaware' of Covid-19, and that monetary donation from civilians would have a substantial impact on that? As opposed to like, the many falsely arrested and injured as part of the protests of police fatalities?
Actually, scratch that. I'm not really interested in your opinion given the flippant attitude. Bye.
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If they weren't unaware of covid-19, this protest wouldn't be a thing.
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They are aware, they just don't care about human life.
Which is worse.
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Really.
So what exactly do you think they're protesting about?
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Nice blacklist. Time to remove that whitelist i had for you. No other opinions allowed.
Power. If they actually care for George or (black) lives they wouldn,'t bound together in an epidemic. Or is that a conspiracy now too?
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We're talking about police accountability, interference with press, and violent escalation here. Do you really think I give a single shit about your posturing about fucking videogame giveaways? I mean, feel free to pretend getting 'listed by someone somehow silences your batshit opinion because it is (heavy air-quotes) "different" I guess.
So, you going to back up your assertion that the people demonstrating about a death, at risk to themselves, during a pandemic, means they don't care about anything but human life, and are secretly out to seize power? Like you didn't just pluck that choice little nugget straight after implying I'm the one seeing conspiracies? :P
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It's an indication of your attitude of "no other opinions allowed" and "silence all dissent" - a rather dangerous frame of mind.
My 'batshit' opinion that colliding in a large group during a pandemic is unnecessarily risking many lives? MANY lives. I too am sorry I care more for human life than you apparently do.
Also wow, you gotta censor yourself saying blacklist? That's... that's... I got no words.
You (and most news and all) conviently forget it's not "at risk to themselves" only. It's an airborne virus, they are risking death to far more than their own lives.
So if you're willing to risk many innocent lives, yeah, you going to have it hard convincing me they care about live.
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Right. Because blacklisting someone totally means "silence all dissent", etc.
Such a giant red flag, using self-moderation features on a videogame giveaway site. Truly the hallmark of a dangerous mindset.
And ah yes, shortening your own words on a whim, such hardcore censorship! Such tyranny! Would you feel less intimidated if I edited my previous post to say the full word? I mean it must obviously put me in danger of some kind of retaliation if I'm hard air-quotes "censoring" myself in such a gratuitous fashion, and on something so core to the current subject too, right? Your feelings are very important Hassat!
Telling you to fuck off with your clownery aside : It is indeed an air-trasmissable virus. However, are they forcing other people into close quarters with them? Or are they voluntarily grouping together? Does protesting mean that they disregard social distancing when not demonstrating? Hmmm. Hmmmmmmm. Dare I say, hmmmmmmmm. Really makes you think doesn't it? Well, I mean, obviously not you. It was a turn of phrase. It's almost as if they're risking their own health, because they actually really care about the injurity and fatality of other human lives.
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Well, if they're willing to coop up 2 weeks just on the street with only their fellow protesters and not meet any other people.
Oh wait... they won't.
"Does protesting mean that they disregard social distancing when not demonstrating?"
Every single protest so far they have done so.
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Gonna need a source on that out-of-hours claim, chief.
Pretty sure the vast, overwhelming majority of people breaching social distancing during protests are doing so consciously and willingly, and unless I'm mistaken, the stay-at-home order is still standing, and the protests are widely reported and known. How are you gauging what the protesters are doing when not out demonstrating, exactly? And do you really think that people are so unaware of the mass protests and randomly finding themselves surrounded and unable to maintain distance, or just opting to randomly stop social distancing with strangers while out and about?
In the event that any protest doesn't allow room for non-participants to pass by along their sides, then yeah, I would agree that's a major oversight given the pandemic situation. However if I'm recalling correctly, in some of the footage I've seen of demonstrations during curfew hours, the protesters left a gap along at a side. That's definitely not a global rule and there are also plenty of instances where there wasn't a walkway. Outside of curfew was naturally a different matter altogether. And yeah, it's inconvenient that the protests make it vastly more difficult to social distance if you have to travel through an area they're demonstrating in, but that's kind of the unfortunate side-effect of protests on gravely serious issues. Do you know what would be a really good way to prevent that being an issue? Oooh, thats riiiight. Using police for their traditional protest roles of helping organise and protect! Having them ensure that the crowd allows walking space at the sides for distancers! Imagine that! They'd maintain presence and subsequently deter or catch looters immediately, conflicts could be called in and dealt with to prevent clashes or civilian-on-civilian injuries, and social distancing would be an option even when moving through a protest area.
It's a shame you didn't use any of the energy you burned making bizarre personal accusations of not caring about human life, censoring, and intolerance of dissent, to like, instead engage in the discussion with a grain of honest lucidity instead of making it solely about your own catharsis.
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Its a shame we spend months with Covid and somehow you managed to avoid any and all details on it.
It's alnost criminally ignorant at this point to overlook the many innocent people this risks now.
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The majority of his comment was about COVID 19. Did you even bother to read it?
TLDR version: Perhaps people believe the protests are more important than Corona, but that doesn't mean they don't practice safe social distancing, proper hygiene, and masking in their homes or when they're not protesting.
Believe it or not, there are people willing to risk their own health for a cause (in fact, it's a recurring theme throughout all of human history), and those very same people can still care about those not involved by practicing safety measures elsewhere.
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Nice amount of assumptions. If that was all happening, the outbreak was gone already. And you've seen the pictures, right? No social distancing happening. What gives you any thought they all turn into perfect beings following protocol next up. Hope? That's a solid foundation [/sarcasm]
Hey if they believe that... they will still end up killing more than the cop did. Making their beliefs dubious at best.
And for like the 50th time, nobody cares if they risk their lifes. But this is a virus, it wont stick to protesters. They risk OTHER lives. That is the issue. That apparently can't get through somehow.
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What gives you any thought they all turn into perfect beings following protocol next up. Hope?
So, basically, the entire premise of your argument, after saying I am making assumptions, is to make the assumption that protesters don't practice safety measures when not protesting? Ironic, especially given I never said "they all", because certainly you've witnessed people not protesting who aren't practicing proper safety measures.
And for like the 50th time, nobody cares if they risk their lifes.
Incorrect and another assumption. Perhaps you don't care, but perhaps others do. I know I certainly do.
But this is a virus, it wont stick to protesters. They risk OTHER lives. That is the issue.
Indeed, nevermind racial injustice and inequality. People aren't dying of racial injustice, and certainly not daily, right? Uruboros and I have both stated there's zero indication of protesters not practicing safety measures when they're not protesting, at least no more than non-protesters.
I get that Corona is an issue, believe me -- I had it -- but it's only one issue of many, and I also believe we can't put other issues, particularly given everything that happened, on the proverbial back-burner.
Edit: LOL, went back to my comment to re-read it, looking for these "assumptions", and I can't find a single one. I intentionally used words like "perhaps", "but", and "can" (as opposed to "do"), to show that I clearly recognize that there are no absolutes.
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The assumptions was following the rules once they stopped thus preventing (possibly) spread. Even if they do its no guarantee that it'll fully prevent infections.
No, i doubt people die of racial injustice daily in the states. And how many died in the USA of covid again? 100k?
"Incorrect and another assumption. Perhaps you don't care, but perhaps others do. I know I certainly do."
Why are you so concerned what others do. I certainly don't claim to limit people on what they do... AS LONG as it doesn't negativelly affect other people. Then i care. If not, who are you to tell them what to or not to do?
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The assumptions was following the rules
I made no such assumption. I chose my words carefully. I said there's no indication they don't, at least no more than non-protesters.
No, i doubt people die of racial injustice daily in the states.
Doubts are no indication of reality. Seriously, look it up. I'm not saying a cop wrongly kills a black man every day, just to be clear. But blacks most definitely do die every day due to socio-economic barriers. Edit: George Ffloyd is simply the catalyst that brought all that socio-economic injustice to a head and to the forefront.
Why are you so concerned what others do.
Pot, kettle. Speaking solely for myself, I care when it affects me, my loved ones, or family and friends. I also care (very deeply) about equal rights for all, on all accounts, no exceptions. But don't take this as an opportunity to assume I don't care about Corona. I do, but I also understand that individuals care about various issues in various degrees, and I certainly don't expect anyone to care about any particular issue as much as I do.
Edit: You appear to be coming at me from the angle that one issue should be more important than the other -- either that or you're simply trying to deflect (I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and say it's the former, though, so I'll proceed on that premise). After checking where you're from, perhaps Corona is more important to you, and perhaps the Netherlands doesn't have the long-standing racial issues that the USA has. I assure you, though, it's a very real thing here in the USA. I've seen it in my neighborhood, when I'm out, and even in the workplace. And it needs to stop.
Sorry for the edits. I wanted to be as clear as possible (particularly with you) on what I am saying.
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The difference is one group probably had little contact, and the other has been in a giant group of people, the #1 catalyst of spreading Corona.
I kinda wish they would give more attention to those "social-econonomic barriers" than they do.
I can understand that, I just find it a bit odd that far more people will die of Corona due to this, in a cause that seemingly cares for all lives. Not those then? It is a tragic event, but contradicting all safety measures set these past months, killing MORE people. That is not the way.
I'm coming from the position if all life matters, and it does, we shouldn't spread disease and cause more death and suffering. We should definitely not burn down (poor) black neighbourhoods and have the people claimed to be talked for spend many months recovering, for some owners maybe not ever (or for David Dorn definitely never, cause he died). People may claim "it's just property" but actual living people work, life or get their lifelihood from there.
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The difference is one group probably had little contact, and the other has been in a giant group of people, the #1 catalyst of spreading Corona.
While that's true, we've already been over that. Some people are going to find one cause more important than the other (as my opinion is irrelevant, and aside my point, I won't say), and there's still absolutely nothing to indicate these people aren't taking safety measures when not protesting (masks, social distancing, etc). Do I believe they should be wearing masks while protesting? Well, of course I do, but I realize I might place a different value on the situation(s).
I can understand that, I just find it a bit odd that far more people will die of Corona due to this
It's a possibility. It's also a possibility they won't. There have actually been entire wars over racial injustice. Personally speaking, I'd much rather some protesters march about chanting and waving flags.
It is a tragic event
This isn't just a tragic event. This is about events that span (literally) decades in the USA, all the way back to slavery. And it didn't end with freeing the slaves, unfortunately. What also saddens me is I've witnessed my own Facebook friends denying these socio-economic inequalities even exist, from behind the walls of their gated communities, and watching it on their $5000 television in their $750,000 home. They make excuses why they shouldn't be involved in change, or even why they shouldn't be bothered by it on television or the media at all.
We should definitely not burn down (poor) black neighbourhoods
I agree, but we shouldn't burn down any neighborhoods (or businesses or anything else imho); however, you're not distinguishing protesters from rioters/looters.
or for David Dorn definitely never, cause he died
"A retired police captain fatally shot during looting in St. Louis was passionate about helping young people and would have forgiven those behind the violence on the city's streets, his son says.
David Dorn, 77, was killed while responding to an alarm at a pawnshop overnight Monday, St. Louis Police Department announced in a news conference Tuesday."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/us/david-dorn-st-louis-police-shot-trnd/index.html
A looter killed David Dorn. The simple fact is, there are people out there who are using the protests as an excuse to loot and riot and raise hell. In fact, a friend of mine from Minneapolis said, on his drive home the other night, he witnessed a KKK gathering in a local park, burning a cross. Worth noting: the six looters arrested here where I live were all from out of state. They weren't protesting anything - they were simply here to steal.
Aside: This is a video I recently watched that really opened my eyes to a few things. It's only about 9 minutes long, but worth a view.
Let's talk about what it's like to be a black person in the US....
DEFINITELY need an edit here: I most certainly don't agree with every video this fellow posts. This one came up in my Youtube feed, and I watched out of curiosity.
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Well, for maybe $2/$4, not for that price, that will be skip from me.
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So next will be an all lives matters bundle (because Corona, and those riotters forgot) right? Probably not.
I am not saying this out of racism (i am not one), i support the protests, what happened was wrong, but also the whole no distancing too, very wrong. Not even mentioning the riots and looting and i question this charity but also it's price.
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Exactly what I think too, but emotions cloud actions, and then there are people who take advantage of others in such situations.
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What kind of "organization" it is, where the money goes to, to people that support the riotting f.e?
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Well you could just learn to read and click the links for the charities. But I'm guessing you're just too lazy.
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Yeah like you became lazy with your gifting.
Maybe i don't want to read too much on this subject, maybe i don't want to come across seeing dead people (which i might have come across on twitter).
That's not the biggest point, we can all setup a charity fund, in the end you never know where it all goes too, writing it is one thing, the truth is usually something else.
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Yes and no. People often do just donate without knowing or even caring where the money goes to. But it's a bit odd to throw suspicion without trying to research it yourself. Other people have to serve to you and if they don't, you just throw this baseless accusation around that "maybe the money doesn't go where you think it does". It's less pondering and it's more just unnecessary muddying of the waters.
Now this is my actual research. Black Lives Matter is an administrative organization, rather than a traditional charity. Instead of giving money for a single specific thing, it instead is a project per project basis of raising awareness and supporting demonstrations and other events that support their cause of racial equality and eradicating racial inequality.
As to the actual numbers behind these things, I was unable to find the information. There is an NAACP article from 2016, which does seemingly show the numbers, however it's more of an informational pamphlet on people's spending habits.
NBFN is a different beast. It's a subsidiary of Community Justice Exchange and it's also not a direct charity. Instead it almost acts as a funnel that then moves the money to different more specific charity foundations like the Minnesota Freedom Fund with money going for most likely the subsidiaries that need money the most. They support only active bail funds. They don't support legal funds. I didn't find financial reports, but if you're not asking just to stir the pot, then you'll be eager to contact them personally to ask them for their reports of their spenditure. I got the email address for you right here: network@communityjusticeexchange.org
Feel free to copy/paste the reply later since I think most people would be interested in the response that you got. Too many charities abuse their funds to fund mainly "awareness" and administrative costs, like it used to be the case with Susan G Komen, for example.
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It's not so baseless at all, "Black Lives Matter" is the phrase that's going around in all these protests, and also the riots and looting came from.
And thus people also quickly tie them together, and it getting a "bad name".
Don't forget US has probably dozens of news channels, both sided to either one side, but most countries (at least here) we have 0x 24/7 news channels, only news broadcasts and even then we get a 2 minute snippet about this, and yes it's generally showing the riots.
And yes again not all protesters are riotters and looters, but even if some come from such organizations, then i wouldn't want to support it based on that reason.
And you are saying yourself it's project per project basis, well some of those projects could be rotten appels.
Plus the whole ignore Corona thing like other people's lifes don't matter is also a thing i don't agree with.
News is actually now going around that Floyd supposedly died of Corona and heart/lung failure (and thus yes he still couldn't breathe and the cop was still wrong) but it turns things a little different.
Secondly i don't have $40 to spend (i even have to do with a non working fan when it's a week when it's 29C).
So i wont be buying it anyway, thus also my reason i am not reading further and not asking someone to "serve" me.
Thirdly it's not something i would quickly think about paying $40 for, and if it's were 20 euro and i had it, maybe.
I did buy Yogcasts and i did buy Australia's fire donation bundle, the normal humble bundles, i think i also donated enough to charity.
And yes a lot of charities got directors that got a salary easily from 100k to 300k, that's also a point one can make.
Maybe your information can still help convince someone else to buy this.
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What i posted elsewhere.
In those riots also an ex black police officer was killed volunteering as a guard at a jewelry store, apparently shown on facebook (and gruesome to watch) so protesting over a black person that got killed yet another got killed over it.
But yeah well you know how it goes here with political / religious stuff etc, best to just keep quiet, there will always be 50% that finds this, and 50% that finds that.
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And is that the fault of white people, or black people, for 'not saying anything'?
Get your head out of your ass.
I mean, disregarding when BLM have also raised their voice for white people killed by police, the only reason George Floyd is a known name is because people did the legwork of spreading the footage and not allowing them to sweep it under the rug. They made sure that the reports filed after the incident were revealed to be false. If you hear silence and you do not raise your voice, why would you blame anyone other than yourself and your own community? Why would you then dare to use the death of an innocent as ammunition to try silence others doing the work you can't be bothered to (even pretending you actually care)?
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Exactly. You don't care at all. Hence why you are not attempting to use critical thinking.
America has had ONE black man as president. All the rest have been white. 'In that case, when white men were in charge, why didn't he stop police brutality against whites?'. I'm done with you, you just readily admitted you aren't even engaging honestly, so your presence is pretty much to just regurgitate random dishonest talking-points without applying due scrutiny.
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Isn't that BLM's idea (or atleast someone's) to give less money to police and more to healthcare and education etc? So if more people going to start riotting even less to stop them? So basically yeah shaking hands.
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Nah, just pointing the guns at the rioters and not the peaceful protesters.
And not using illegal degrees of force, or deliberately escalating things to near/actual fatality.
It's not rocket science, son.
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Oh no. You looked at my profile for ammo. Whatever shall I doooo? Sir, your rapier wit and crushing grasp of morality has truly wounded me. I suppose it is my just desserts for having dared moderate my own lists without first seeking permission of someone who racebaits for sport. Here lies Uroboros, peperony and cheese.
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Well, to start off, we're not talking of a hashtag. It's the organization. Not sure why you're even talking about the movement when you can see what organizations they support. People tie the government with mass shootings. You can tie whatever with whatever. All it takes is to go to the itch.io page and look at what they support.
A charity can screw up, yes. So can itch. So can anyone. But if the fact that "things aren't 100% perfect always" is a valid one, then we might as well not even talk about anything. Maybe their financial reports happen to be inaccurate. Maybe you actually meant to write to me that I'm an evil person. We all make mistakes. What makes you think they're more likely to make that mistake than other charities? Also, I'll take it you never will donate to a charity due to any possible mismanagement, of course. But at that point, why even criticize this specific charity when human error is such a big worry for you.
Can you link me to where itch.io said that we need to ignore Corona? Because that's enough for me to not be interested in giving them a benefit of the doubt for anything. It's insane that they said that.
You don't have to spend $40. You don't have to spend $1. You don't have to spend anything. You're mentioning the highest tier. I don't have money to donate... doesn't mean I have a problem with charities then :D
I highly recommend getting a fan though. It's 15€ and the cheap brands work just as well. That 15€ will most likely make you more productive too.
Like I'm unaware why you can't have more charities than you can donate to? There's 1.5 million of them in the US. Trust me, you're not obligated to donate to all of them, nor are you expected to donate to them. What does your previous charity have to do with anything.
I am also not convincing anyone to donate.... where are you getting this info? I'm not even donating to begin with. I don't think this bundle's even good for its money.
There's so much random assumption here and the fact that you can't afford a bundle, doesn't mean it should stop existing. Or that charity should stop gathering money. It's not all about you and me.
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I am not talking about a hastag either, i didn't see me using a #, it's a movement yes.
All those people that protested, riotted etc, be it in America, everyone that protested in Europe (we had 2 that although with no riots, still got out of hand too), having zero respect for keeping your distance, the main reason for it spreading, is that not ignoring Corona?
We had restaurants, terraces etc that would get a 4000 euro fine if they broke the rules, and on the same day a few thousand protested on the dam in Amsterdam (because we have a very extreme left mayor who okayed it), with 0 space in between, that is a big flipping finger to all the rest and most likely the cause of that second wave, let's see in 2 weeks.
Fans go for 30 euro here, and (for me atleast) they seemingly seem to break every 1-2 years, either cheap, dust build up i don't know, even 30 i won't have for another 16 days, just have to suck it up, also got an unexpected date/drink tommorow, which wasn't entirely factored in my budget too.
"Other people have to serve to you and if they don't, you just throw this baseless accusation around that "maybe the money doesn't go where you think it does".
"but if you're not asking just to stir the pot, then you'll be eager to contact them personally to ask them for their reports of their spenditure."
"Feel free to copy/paste the reply later since I think most people would be interested in the response that you got."
So that wasn't trying to convince anything at all to do something? You sure made a lot of effort then asking me to email people, read etc when i just wasn't also interested in this bundle to begin with either.
I NEVER said it was about you or me, people do, people say, if people want to protest go ahead (but don't complain if you get corona), if people want to buy this bundle, by all means they should, just as people got their reason not to do so, be it the price, be it the charity. It's all good with me, i am so easy, plus i got zero stake in this all.
I NEVER said anything about people that they shouldn't buy it this, more like a (for me atleast) not interested and i make the same posts in indiegala bundle threads for example.
It was NEVER about not affording a bundle, where was that said? If i had the cash, was still too expensive, and so many others that are agreeing.
So come on really, your reply to me is the one full with assumptions, already mentioned 3 there.
I spoken to some people in healthcare, and on the news even doctors voiced out they are scared as hell and just flabbergasted about those protests that had thousands of people without any distance and it's just asking for big trouble.
We got about 2400 IC beds (with 17 million people), if they are full then it's first come, first serve, if you are next, tough luck.The first wave we barely had enough, it might not be the case the second time.
All those things are not speculations but facts, if you tell me to write some organization, maybe you call a doctor or someone in healthcare, read up on it, and see that they are. There were years before they could have protested, and there will tbe ime again after corona, it's just picking now the worst time ever, ALL lives matter, not just black, white, whatever color who all suffer from Corona, tackle that first then go protest what you want.
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"I am not talking about a hastag either, i didn't see me using a #, it's a movement yes." - "It's not so baseless at all, "Black Lives Matter" is the phrase that's going around in all these protests, and also the riots and looting came from. And thus people also quickly tie them together, and it getting a "bad name"."
You're literally talking about the activist movement. But that's kinda the point right now. It's criticism for criticism's sake. If it's not a bad movement, then it's a bad charity, if it's not a bad charity, it's too expensive, if it's not too expensive, it's a bad time, if it's not a bad time, it's that you've donated in the past, if that doesn't matter then it's some other issue that demands all the attention and when it's not that then it's all issues that now demand attention and then it's something else and something else.
I've no clue how you're just making these major leaps right now. You say you have no money and how you've donated enough and that I haven't convinced you to donate, when none of that matters and I never tried to convince you. When I point that out, it's suddenly that you never said it's about you, when indeed your comment literally says it's the case "Secondly i don't have $40 to spend (i even have to do with a non working fan when it's a week when it's 29C)." and "Thirdly it's not something i would quickly think about paying $40 for, and if it's were 20 euro and i had it, maybe.". Two thirds of that comment is absolutely only about you. I'm not the one who brought in my financial issues. I didn't bring in MY opinions on the price.
"I NEVER said anything about people that they shouldn't buy it this" - "So next will be an all lives matters bundle (because Corona, and those riotters forgot) right? Probably not. I am not saying this out of racism (i am not one), i support the protests, what happened was wrong, but also the whole no distancing too, very wrong. Not even mentioning the riots and looting and i question this charity but also it's price."
You keep contradicting yourself or you just flat out take the topic elsewhere, like healthcare... why is this even mentioned? "I've spoken to people in healthcare". Not only is this unlikely since you didn't even look into the basic itch.io page since you made mistakes in even talking about the base price of the bundle (3 times), but also healthcare officials literally mostly agree that it's dangerous, but that at some point the needs of people trump their fear because that's literally basic epidemiology, which is why necessities need to be available at all times and why the panic buying created fear. Seriously, name us names of the healthcare professionals you talked to because they're either fooling you by pretending they're qualified to talk on the issue while giving you one-sided information randomly or you're flat out just making this up.
I think it's about time to call a close on this discussion on my end. If literally all of my reply has to be to quote you on your random flip-flopping and having to question if your sources should be reported to the Dutch Healthcare Authority through their phone lines, then there's something wrong.
"All those things are not speculations but facts, if you tell me to write some organization, maybe call a doctor or someone in healthcare, read up on it, and see that they are." - Yes, all I did was literally give you an email address to quell ALL of your questions with a single email, yet you never did it. Unlike with a specific charity organization, I can actually access revelant info on it without talking to your either grossly incompetent or just non-existant healthcare professionals you've personally talked to. Genuinely, names are needed if they lied to you like that.
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4614-5474-8_4
https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.82.11.1459 (HIV, but a very good editorial on pandemic behavior)
https://www.degruyter.com/view/journals/jhsem/3/2/article-jhsem.2006.3.2.1233.xml.xml (Need an institution log-in, but your friends will provide it since they give access to medical facilities for research)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3541346/ (Not the most reliable since it's an online experiment, but it's a supportive study to look into)
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/35316792.pdf
Look, thanks for the chat. Sad it devolved.
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I am kinda done with it too, we can agree to disagree.
I really don't know what itch.io has anything to do with it all other then selling the bundle, and even if i mention the wrong base price so what? Even 20 is still too much (again my opinion) and they also do still sell a tier for 40, so what's there a wrong assumption about?
You told me to email this, read on this, if you are not trying to convince to atleast check up on it (and buy the bundle) that was reason for you, because i wouldn't have anything better to do (maybe i could have tried fixing my fan ;)), or for fun?
Complaining about the price (which i already did in my very first post here) while so many others do it too (because let's be honest this is a bad(ly priced) bundle), does not immediately make this thread about me, and i only went further to adress after your reaction.
You are giving 5 random links to pretty much nothing that is really focused on Corona or is way too scientific to make head or tails for most people, mostly are also just about human behaviour, i am having it about how a thing like Corona is spreading, and that is just people close together, simple as that, and there will be who don't give a damn, and others can respect it, that is human nature indeed.
Granted last week was said it was more dangerous inside together then outside, but still it can also happen outside.
1) Way too scientific and about a pandemic influenza (Corona isn't).
2) Hiv, again totally different.
3) You imply i have friends there (it's the doctors, nurses i spoken to, in my many visits to the hospital, but again also just what you read in the paper. https://tpook.nl/2020/06/01/artsen-woest-over-door-burgemeester-halsema-goedgekeurd-coronaspreadfest-op-dam-in-amsterdam/ it's dutch but you can google translate it, and i think my most productive counterpoint against your links.
I do also actually have a nephew that is a doctor but haven't spoken nor seen him in like 25 years.
4 ) You already disclaiming yourself by saying not reliable since it's an online experiment.
5 ) Again too scientific for joe average.
Do you know how many "studies" often say the opposite? A good example is alcohol, where one study says 1-2 glasses a day is actually good for you, and another saying no even that is bad.
Or even studies about the Corona, first they say animals couldn't be affected by it (well it did and they gassing 4 million minks here) and that young people couldn't get it (well they did, even babies and sadly also died from it).
So doctors in the field enmass who have shouted out in a newspaper (so fake people write to it?) how disgusted and fear these protests because of more corona cases again (the second wave, we all know is coming)?
Those actually having worked on the intensive care, where it was touch and go if we had enough IC beds, the nurses, etc etc are grossly incompetent , non existent?
Then believe which of the two you want, personally i would believe those who worked in the field then some people in a dusty office that often rarely goes outside sitting on data all day.
And if you still don't find that a fact either that the more people you put together, the more Corona will be spread? Then just look at Sweden even they are now slowly regretting it their decisions.
I don't know what you mean with necessities or about the US but here shops were just open, still are, and never closed, there is a such a thing as a semi lockdown, many european countries had.
There are many people just as well who think the media is hyping up Corona, again to each their own, believe what you want, i believe what i want in this case too.
No hard feelings mate, and yeah it devolved, but atleast we keep it civil, unlike some.
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There's so much random assumption here and the fact that you can't afford a bundle, doesn't mean it should stop existing. Or that charity should stop gathering money. It's not all about you and me.
So much this. Well said, especially the last sentence.
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Then don't come to this thread with insane conspiracy theories of you can't bother to researcg.? As well as repeating literal Nazi propaganda. BLM has nothing to do with riots. Educate yourself.
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Uhm first this is an open and public forum, anyone can post what they want, and secondly) literal nazi propaganda? Get out here, why not call me a nazi while you are at it, or afraid that goes too far and get you suspended?
Thirdly) The riots were a result out of the protests, the protests came from BLM that one might not have anything to do with the other, in the end it did came out of it as a result, and BLM could have controlled it better, if they are so indeed so peaceful and care about it.
I don't think anyone really knows right now, even who is behind it, antifa, or right winged people, each pretending to be the other. or some rotten apples in BLM, so let alone you.
When you are not left, you are automatically a facist nazi, which usually is a child(ish) reaction, that's the problem why so many keep their mouth just shut. Seriously how old are? It's not a dig, but questioning your rationality.
CORONA FOR SURE IS THERE, it's not some conspiracy theory, and when people riotting, protesting enmass be it black, white, chinese, purple freaking aliens, i don't care whoever, but it's gonna spread again. and will affect ALL of you, except again if you are a kid, then you most likely don't care because they are almost considered being immune.
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The riots are a result of police brutality, of which you can, right now, watch several hundreds of occurrences this week alone, police constantly beating down and hurting peaceful protesters and even journalists. Do your goddamn research and actually look at what's happening. Riots have nothing to do with BLM, and yes, if you belive they do you're indeed a asshole who has done no research whatsoever. 99% of the protests have been completely peaceful yet the police continues to savagely beat people.
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You sucking that 99% right out of your thumb to whatever fits you, got actual solid proof (and not some 1 left winged paper quote)?
Where are the protests for the black guard that got killed by the riotters? Well give me one valid good reason why that isn't happening?
Asshole? Keep at it. Confirms really what i said about your age/rationality atleast doesn't it? How about you atleast stay civil?
It also depends on what you might see in the media, which in the US you see a lot more of both sides, then here in Europe.
And could really influence someone's opinion, maybe a rare saying to make here but people usually do think in black and white also with problems and issues, while i tend there is usually a bit of grey too, it's not just a case of bad cop, bad riotters, there is way way more and even here people blaming eachother for being left or right, fighting over it because they disagree, instead of all focussing on solutions.
And thus why most political discussions get closed, and i hope this just goes too, most can't keep it civil.
You also don't waylay the Corona issue, which i believe the States also suffered many deaths from, or is that less important somehow?
There is hunger in Africa, wars everywhere, Corona is a big deal now, i seriously have to read and keep up with every bad thing in the world btw, that would weigh any man down.
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Lmao at "1 left winged paper quote". Really showing what you're about there.
The proof is right there in the pudding my dude, there's hours longs videos of every single protest out there. You'd have to be insane to think rioters are somehow the majority. It's insanely clear where you get your news from, at least.
The protests are about decades upon decades of unpunished police brutality. It continues happening. It's still happening now, to peaceful protesters. People are getting hit with gas just going to home from work. They are blatantly cracking down on freedom of speech.
"There is hunger in Africa, war in Syria, Corona is a big deal now, i seriously have to read and keep up with every bad thing in this world btw, that would weigh any man down."
Then don't comment in a thread about something you have made no research in while spouting insane conspiracy theories?
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You don't know Jack, don't go push me in a corner, you dont wanna go there and frankly you can spout all you want as i am done talking with a kid talking this way, i am not about anything, you come up with a number, so show the proof or don't mention it.
Loads of people making assumptions here, again where did i say that riotters are in the majority?
I AM NOT AGAINST PROTESTING, BUT PEACEFUL OR NOT: CORONA!!!! BLM and the riotters are both at fault in that, and if there were white people protesting (in Europe there are) i'd blame them just the same.
Franky i do blame people going to the beach and such enmass too.
They had years before (this isn't the first police brutality) and still time after.
https://www.parool.nl/amsterdam/politie-wist-van-drukte-tijdens-protest-op-de-dam~b8462f72 that is just asking for effing problems and we also had minor incidents with those protesters that weren't all so peaceful either.
Which you seemingly pass over that point each time, the corona part.
Also if you believe twitter, facebook, youtube etc etc aren't controlled and regulated then you are even more foolish, then you think i am.
AND THAT is the biggest problem, kids these days just follow those and think anything posted there is the real news, and nothing else.
And again, protest for that black guard that got killed? Still waiting on an answer, there isn't one.
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People are protesting a broken institution, a actual group of authority with a insane history of constant killins and beatings of people. That's what the protest is about. What kind of crazy suggestions is yours here? A protest, protesting....literal random people with no affiliation whatsoever, that killed that guard? Can tell me exactly what the signs on that protest will say, exactly? He wasn't killed by an institution in the place of authority.
If you want people who protest to be against riots... they already are. We literally have ridiculous amount of footage of peaceful protesters stopping riot instigators.
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You are putting up the same mantra and not discuss the points i am making, so why would i answer anything of yours?
Therefor what i said before discussion over.
Although, if you can atleast answer me one question out of curiousity, humor me, how old are you exactly, <25?
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"insane conspiracy theories"
"repeating literal Nazi propaganda"
Ah, yes... the famous 'Black Lives Matter sucks' quote from Hitler... 1942 I think it was. Or you mean modern nazi's? The blanket term for 'anyone I disagree with'? Yeah, I put little faith in that.
Also it's funny known left-radicals like BLM and AntiFa we know are there are apparently squeekly clean... even if there are mass burnings, riots, dead people. Nope, EVERY single act of that is "undercover cop" or "rightwing infiltrant".
And we are the ones supposedly living in fairy world.
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Someone who thinks that BLM is "left radicals" does sound like a Nazi, considering all BLM is asking is for black people to have equal rights and not be murdered in the middle of the street.
also lmao at the boogeymen of the "antifa", which is a hilarious term you don't seem to actually know the definition of and just apply it to whatever person you want to. Can you tell me where the antifa headquarters are and who is their leader?
Hell, you should apply to the FBI if you have such amazing evidence, considering they did their own investigation and found no evidence of antifa provoked violence at the protests. https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-no-intelligence-antifa-weekend-violence-george-floyd-protests-2020-6
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Uhm i think he knows, Here Antifa aren't exactly known to be peaceful atleast, on the contrary, and it's an official organization, and yes they are left radicals. And it's short for Anti Facism, not that hard to figure out.
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I am seeing applying the proper political leaning to an organisation is now a nazi move? I'll add it to the growing list.
The first signs for me apparently wasn't liking the new Star Wars movies. It made me realise the term is kind of worthless now.
Also i am happy i can remember more than this monthband remember more things BLM did.
You mean, like you and nazi? Seems you're projecting a bit.
I am glad every social organisation webbased isn't real, here i was thinking Anonymous existed too. Silly me.
Lookinv forward to your link with the FBI proving all cases are undercover cops and alt-rights. You do got one right?
Are alt-right there? I would not doubt it. Undercover cops destroying stuff to frame protests because cops are just so evil? Doubt it. All lefties being innocent and not involved in the rioting at all? Yeah, not a chance.
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What does alt-right and nazi even mean in this day and age?
It seems that they have been used to describe anyone who doesn't agree with current left-leaning speaker fully...
To me it seems that alt-right is much more live and let live side than anyone on opposing side... And thus I don't think they really do any of stupid undercover operations. Though I admit there is small population who are as violent as part of left, I can't exactly say how those compare in size though...
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Alt-right is smaller, gets blamed for literally everything, like the offline version of "Russian bots" Far-left is bigger, activelly present but of course not involved in any way. And people wonder why i go "hmmm..."
Having said that, i would be truly shocked if not atleast some rightwing extremists are there. But to blame it all on them seems another "hmmm"
They are both terrible, but i think the size of one of them gets massively exeggarated.
Tl;dr agreed
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40$?! I might've been interested in bundle, but I think there is an extra zero in there. Well, at least my wallet is safe. ... and I don't really want to support THIS organization (which just hypes on tragedy), I'd rather donate it to families of victims.
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wait for this https://itch.io/t/818544/join-the-bundle-for-racial-justice-and-equality
much better
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Will Steam (or other external keys) be given with a purchase?
No. In our experience, running a Pay-what-you-want bundle with Steam keys involved gets a lot of bitter people who just want to pay the bare minimum to try to claim all the Steam keys.
You SteamGifts bitter people! *mad noises*
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Bail fund? So who are you supporting to getting bailed?
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I take that there is people who are jailed for a good reason thus justly. Like throwing a brick through a window and stealing stuff.
So someone has to decide which cases are those that no crime happened and which are those where crime happened. As otherwise you might end up releasing someone who did a crime...
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Over 95% of the arrests have been of people peacefully protesting, so yes, you should support bail funds unless you are a racist shitlord.
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That's like most of gamers. Braindead sheltered white nerds who never once in their life cared about anything that doesn't corcern them.
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Nah they'll pay them $40 to be even more horrible so they can put out another $40 bundle later on.
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Small percentage of people who use twitter/donate charity (the point is is that it's a very small percent) definitely will change the situation! I mean, movies are always like this, right?
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...for a charity supporting the subject of the protest, donating all proceeds?
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I need to triple check if I am looking at the price tag correctly.
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lol what a sea of privilege as usual here on steamgifts
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Ofc. We can afford 100$ worth of games on Steam... That is clear selection bias.
As such everyone here is privileged on global scale...
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I'm probably one of few who has played Herald here. It's a pretty okay game and definitely interesting if you like history, but $40 for it is pretty rough. It's also not a complete game, 2 chapters out of 4 have been released and it's been like that for a few years, however lately the developers have been pretty open about working hard on the last 2 chapters so that's good at least. Wouldn't be surprised if it ends up in a more reasonable bundle soon.
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I mean, I agree the price point is high for the games they're offering. I don't think this bundle will effectively prompt many people to donate as a result. I still feel a clumsy or badly balanced gesture is better than none at all. It's kinda like when streamers with virtually no views do 24-hour charity streams despite the only interest being random people passing by. It's a disproportionate amount of effort for often a tiny amount of donations (if any at all), but anything is better than nothing. Hell even if it gets zero donations the attempt still amounts to a 'you dont know if you dont try'.
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Yes of course!! I don't think this bundle is a bad idea at all, but it is a little badly executed. Humble's COVID-19 bundle got me to donate because with some interesting games and others I could trade away I ended up with 50 new, probably fun games I can play for a price less than T2 here. You can't even compare.
But I also think it's easy to lose perspective here. When bundles with such crazy value appear, other bundles seem a bit dull. On PC we can so easily get new games for practically no money. Like for $40 here you get 20 games. $2 a game. You can buy 2-3 cheap games on the Switch for $40. We're probably a bit spoiled to think this bundle is bad.
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