Gross. I only updated to 10 because 7 was dead.
I'll only switch to 11 when they force me at gunpoint.
I miss when OS were just an OS and not a Live Service Platform.
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With the steam deck I think I'm moving past "Gaming PC" my PC now is I think from 2016? It overheats on some unity games -_- My next PC I think will be a mini PC Win11 and dual boot Linux. I want to slowly move away from Windows. Steam is making it much easier.
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mini pc? got any links to show the sort of ones you mean
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Those Unity games are probably not optimized well. :)
Gaming nowadays doesn't really needs Windows thanks to Valve. Other than industry standard programs Linux is more than enough for normal people. Not everyone is the same of course but I completely ditched Windows and doing fine, except some anti-cheat games but I generally don't play multiplayer games like I used to so it's okay.
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Goddamit. I guess I'll really have to upgrade now, huh...
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RIP... Remind me 4 years ago when i was running Steam with a old Windows Vista OS, and have to change it for the same reason ...
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A friend of mine has Win 8 on a laptop. Anyone know if he can simply auto upgrade to 10 or would he be able to still use his Win 8 key to activate fresh Win 10 install?
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It depends on hardware. If windows 10 has drivers for his laptop hardware, it will be fine.
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In my experience, Win7 keys work for activating Win10, so I assume it's the same for Win8.
I wouldn't recommend upgrading because it can make a lot of mess on your computer. Backup + clean install is always better imo.
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Yeah I read old keys could still be used, just wanted to get a few confirmations from people here. Thanks.
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Official steam support page about that - https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A
I hate that it's nowhere to be found as source in the "article"
upd. it does actually link to the source, if you can find tiny "Source: Steam" on this page
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how would someone go about updating to say win 10 and what would happen to their already installed programs and files?
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i was actually just on that site - the one thing that scares me a bit is loss of any files - what's best or is this risk free?
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You said you were just on the site, did you read the article? It answers your question.
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i saw it says programs will stay in same place but what if any don't or won't run on Win 10? sorry i am very stupid in tech
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My old laptop upgraded without my consent while I was playing something, so that was fun, but I didn't lose any files, which was nice. The direct download thing from Microsoft's website should be easy to do, they have good instructions written there.
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The most ironical part is that the Steam Store contains quite a few old games that don't support Windows 10 (or even Windows 7 actually). So they'll become unusable just because of Steam itself, as their OS requirements will conflict with Steam's...
Maybe they should start thinking about providing a light client, for those of us who just launch Steam to use software they bought and not to browse the internet or chat or whatever.
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Well I don't keep a list but for instance I just found this one:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/37320/The_Nightshift_Code/
Having to run a whole other OS just to launch a game sounds a bit excessive, even though I guess it can be a last resort workaround indeed.
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True, but at least Valve kinda offers a solution. Though that game doesn't have any reports currently so results unknown. Things could evolve into homemade Steam machines in the future unless Microsoft finds a some legacy option for these.
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I believe some of those older games that won't run on anything newer than XP work fine with Proton under Linux, so at least they're not completely gone.
But yes, we really need a basic legacy client that's just meant for playing games, right now the closest thing we have is running Steam in "no browser" mode which deactivates anything that isn't vital like chat and even the store itself, but it's more of a hack than a proper feature.
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"X doesn't support Windows Y" doesn't mean that X doesn't work on Y, it means it won't be updated and supported anymore, now, if we are talking about a recent multiplayer game that's often updated, well, it's dead on Y, but if we are talking about a game launched on windows 7, than probably it will work on 10, maybe with some fancy workaround.
7 is not supported by microsoft itself, it's totally understandable to drop it's support
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Here is another one: https://store.steampowered.com/app/19830/Tom_Clancys_Rainbow_Six_3_Gold/
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lol, given that the game itself often didn’t run on a lot of computers when it first released is no surprise.
Whatever the engine it used was super incompatible with the computers I tried it on in the past.
I wouldn’t even consider it a loss at this point.
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It's insane that the Rainbow Six 3 community had to build the patch on It's own for full functionality and these pricks are still selling It like It works.
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i have a win7 and it's an inconvenience. I'll probably upgrade to 10 then, even though my pc's crap
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I have an old PC and still use Windows 7. I'd rather not upgrade since everything is working fine. If I'm still using this PC next year I'll go without Steam for a while. My next PC, whenever I get that, will run Linux.
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a legacy version or something should happen, so people aren't cut off from accessing their libraries. 'steam light' without all the fluff would be welcome anyway, they keep adding shit I could really do without. or they could go the lazy way (aka the valve way) and just add a 'never upgrade the client' option, anything they fix breaks 5 other things, so why bother. best you can do now is never restart steam, which is fine with sleep mode, not so much when the pc has to be shut down for some reason.
a lot of stuff works without the client but I'm not aware of a way of installing them without it. there's an unofficial command line thing for epic, so there might be one for steam as well (or somebody's gonna make one now).
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Well, fuck!
I'm still running windows 7 on desktop and my older netbook, at least my newer laptop has windows 10. I can definitely update my desktop to win 10, even tho it's a pain to be forced to, but that old piece of crap netbook ONLY has win 7 drivers. That tiny PC was actually ideal for running some old games that only look good at lower resolutions, but I guess now that thing is only gonna be useful for typing, its keyboard is oddly satisfying to use.
I really wish someone would make a minimalistic third party replacement client for older OS's, ideally an open source one, it has to be doable considering that ASF is a thing.
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WINDOWS 7 FOREVER, UPDATE NEVER!!!!
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If you're looking for a more lightweight version of Windows 10, LTSC (Long Term Service Channel) is a good option. It is meant for organizations, but it doesn't have a lot of the bloatware of other Win10 versions such as Windows store, less telemetry, no Cortana, no ads in the start menu / lockscreen, among other things.
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Windows 10 is not too bad and anything beats 11 at this point.
I completely disabled Cortana and some useless apps like their Groove player. For the most part full windows 7 functionality is still there. Just buried under their whitewash.
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I haven't seen that picture in ages, it feels like I just got transported back to the late 00's/early 10's.
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Didn't M$ also drop support or will be? I mean I was on XP till after 7 was found to be very stable. Then I was on 7 for a long time and only grabbed 10 because there was a stupid rumor it was "free only a limited time" but 10 has been good to me. I can't upgrade to 11 but I don't see that much difference. 11 seems to be 10 with new paint. Remember when they said 10 would be the last OS from them? -_- Odd we get 12 by 2025?
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Windows 11 had more issues with each update than xp or 7 combined, and they keep adding more, I swear they don't do any QA testing.
The File Explorer freezing and crashing if you had more than 1 open was the worst.
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well, microsoft has been very consistent on their "one good and one bad windows" cycle.
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I hope they don't drop W10 support anytime soon. My school computer is on 10 and I can't upgrade to 11 because programs I need for school don't work on windows 11. WSL/Ubuntu and Dr. Memory/Valgrind are the two main ones that until it's fully fixed, I can't upgrade.
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I only upgraded to Windows10 this January10 cause on January12, Microsoft dropped all support for Windows 8.1.
My budget don't allow me to buy games that offten so I haven't bought any latest titles that only run on Win10 and onwards, but once Microsoft drops support for an OS, its obious every other piece of sofware will do so soon enough. Chrome dropped 8.1 a month or so prior to Microsoft doing so.
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The link that Pe4enie provided here with the Steam official statement for upgrading to 10 or 11 is total bullshit.
Because they're using Chrome and they don't support 7/8/8.1
Because of malware that can damage your PC if you don't have the latest security updates and some exclusive Windows feature. Oh C'mon!
They sure have a real deal there, this is just about $$$
But some people here hate Epic Games like If It was the Antichrist.
Total bullcrap. People should start complaining on the discussions forums like they always do for less and rate their apps like total crap (which they are) Have you guys tried the Steam Mobile App?
Also, from OP's article, seems like Mark Campbell from OC3D has been living under a rock when It says that almost nobody is using Windows 7/8/8.1 PCs to game.
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Maybe you are living under the rock since less than 2 percent of Steam users are using Windows 7/8.
This is about $$$? Yeah right, Valve will make much more profit from you if you are using newer operating system which are still getting security updates...
Their mobile apps are bad, but that is a topic for another discussion.
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There's no need to upgrade in many cases, there's a bunch of DX9/DX11 games that will do fine on a "ancient" system if you want to call It like that, not everyone wants the latest GTA, some people just stick with some games for a long time, like LoL, Dota, CS-GO. There's no need for useless security updates either, you can install your operating system and leave as It is as long as certain software doesn't require X update. No malware here and I've never installed updates. Some of the Windows 10 updates screwed users bigtime when they just released them. Maybe if you're a bitcoin miner you want the best security but for the average user? Nah It's just paranoia.
At this pace a Steam Machine using the modified Steam Deck software for a PC seems like a better option.
2% still a lot of people.
Steam OS has a lot of useless junk, if Mark Zuckerberg can create Facebook Lite, I'm pretty sure Gabe Newell could develop a Lite versión of Steam just like they wrote above.
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Keep in mind that many working GPUs don't have driver support anymore but they will work fine on these operating systems with enough games on Steam. Functional motherboards will not work the best on Win10, you just create a pile of working "trash" because reasons.
My system has Win10 driver support and I already have all the drivers on my HD for a while since vendors don't keep them on their page for that long either, but I'm waiting for the final moment for this bullshit.
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@makki, you are just wrong. Get a fact check. It is for $$$.
And here is a quote from an article in March 2023:
"StatCounter puts the Windows 7 installed base at just over 11% of Windows desktops worldwide and Windows 8/8.1 at less than 3%, while Steam Analytics, managed by game publishers Steam, finds just 1% of its user base running Windows 7. Mind you, Steam is for gamers and is US-based. So it’s not a good measure of global use or business use..."
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Please don't bump/necro a thread unless you have something worthwhile to add to the original topic in question.
EDIT: Also, instead of replying here, don't comment on my Steam Profile telling me off for asking you to not bump the thread.
Because you got so butt-hurt at my comment, how about I throw the rulebook at you instead?
Unreasonable bumping. When bumping a discussion you should try to ensure it is in the best interest of the community. If you notice our community is not engaging with the content after it has been bumped a couple of times, then you need to stop bumping the discussion unless important new information or updates would make it appropriate to do so.
p.s. For your comment on my Steam profile, you have earned yourself a blacklist.
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less than 2 percent tell steam they are using Windows 7/8.
most copies are not legit ones anymore.
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Windows7ForeverUpdateNever
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at least they're not forcing you upgrading straight to Win 11
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Remember installing games from multiple discs? And when Steam was the devil?
I had the CD install version of UT2004, think it was 4 discs.
But once it was installed you didn’t need them.
Unlike final fantasy, where you had to switch discs depending on how far through the game you were.
At least you could always go back and install it 15 years later on that dinosaur you kept for such things, right?
Oh whoops I was just reminiscing over the good times…
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and it was a time when you completely owned games you bought. it couldn't be revoked by some dev who woke up in the morning in a bad mood
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