I entered (and won) the game Abstractism before I found out it was a trojan which (among other things) mined crypto on your computer without your consent or knowledge. I posted on the user's giveaway thanking him for the giveaway, even putting a heart ♥ and explaining why I wanted it rerolled and I wouldn't redeem it. Others had posted on the giveaway about the virus (but after I had entered, so I never saw it before that).

I posted on his Steam profile to alert him to that as well. He replied telling me that he was blacklisting me and I was "lucky" he was rerolling it for me.

His exact message copied and pasted here: "When you join the giveaway no matter you randomly join or what, it is your responsibility to redeem the game if you win. It doesn't matter if it is a virus, that is the thing you should check first before entering the giveaway. And I am very polite to re-roll it otherwise you should redeem it."

Is this reasonable? Was I wrong?

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Nope, and don't worry about being blacklisted. It's just one person. And that person is a dick for rerolling a game with a trojan, so to me, you lost nothing.

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He's a Level 8 guy and I was already in some of his other giveaways...I won one of them and I'm waiting to see if he gives me the key (like the rules say) lol...

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You are permitted to request the gifter reroll it. I have done it a couple or three times. So really, he has no argument for rerolling your second win. You followed the rules and he must give it to you.

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Unfortunately people can blacklist you for whatever reason so in technically you were 'wrong' in his eyes :P

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No, I mean do users in general think I was wrong? If I am wrong, I'm willing to accept it and modify my behavior.

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yes accept a trojan

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No you're not doing anything wrong, don't worry. He's the jerk.

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Yes

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That guy doesn't sound particularly nice.

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He's not. Even though I was very nice about how I did it and thanked him for the giveaway regardless. :)

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I think that game should be removed from SG entirely since it is no longer on Steam.

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+1. Any way to get mods on this?

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just search the game on the SG web and click the third icon, "hide all giveaways for Abstractism."

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I guess make a suggestion thread.

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Probably make a ticket about it having poor and or being suspectable to Trojans.
The mods will look into it.

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That in itself shouldn't be a reason. Games removed from Steam can be gifted, as Steam generally honors said keys.

It being malware, however...

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The malware part is why I think it should be banned.

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There are some good games that have been removed from steam though. I'd love to get the chance to win 'Transformers: Devastation' since it was on my wishlist before it got pulled from steam (and it apparently still counts towards the number of games on my wishlist even though I can no loner see it...).
That said, I agree that games that are known to be harmful to a users PC like the one OP mentioned should be blocked from being given away on SG.

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I should have specified removed from Steam for reasons such as this. Games that are banned.

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Is it reasonable? No.

Is it against the rules? No.

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It doesn't matter if it is a virus

Just this sentence alone already tells you wonders about that person. They don't even care that they're giving away a virus. Any reasonable person would have deleted the giveaway.

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Maybe you should have done proper research before joining....

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Nobody had said the game was a virus before my entry. It was a long-running giveaway. Am I expected to look up news and information on every single game before I enter, just in case it's a virus or something?

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Yeah we shouldn't have to worry to see if the game is a virus..valve should of made sure products that get sold in their steam store is virus free.

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You could have activated the product key, but not installed the game. It would have prevented the aggro and saved you from a blacklist.

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I have like 2600 games and I automatically install all of them. I didn't want to run the risk of seeing it greyed out on Steam later and installing it, forgetting it was a virus. :x

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Jesus you must have like 200 hard drives.

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16.5 TB of hard drives... :)

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Just... how?? And why?? Raid 0? I have 1TB and its almost full, I keep uninstalling

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Nah, no RAID, though when I replace and upgrade my 2TB drive I'm probably going to go RAID 5 on them.

I have a 512GB SSD, 6TB + 4TB gaming drives, 2TB misc drive, 4TB USB external for movies/TV shows, and 2TB USB external for movies/TV shows.

Oh, that's 18.5TB. My bad! :x

Probably next month, I'm going to replace that 2TB (and probably the 4TB) internal ones with 6TB for RAID 5, or replace the 2TB, keep the 4TB separate, and add a new 6TB for RAID 5. I haven't decided. I have plenty of internal bays and SATA slots on my mobo.

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I bet it's gettin' noisy outhere :x

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Nope. My PC runs nice and quiet, though when I do my mining (1080 Ti third-party overclocked) you can hear the fans spin up to keep the card icy. :)

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Installing it alone wouldn't trigger anything as to the best of my knowledge Steam doesn't execute any remote code before first setup phase that happens the moment you launch the game for the first time.

Still, not a single reason to have such game installed in the first place. As of owning such game, I see no reason to now own it except personal preference, as you're not forced to install/play it in the first place - even if it has cards, ASF takes care of it without even touching the game files. Blacklist for a reroll request is stupid, but within rules, same as a blacklist for trollface avatar.

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Archii, by any chance you know if the game still gives item drops even if it got removed from the store? I can VM and let it run, but I want my inventory tab to show the "Abstractism" tab and have 1 item there, but don't know if a removed game does drop

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Most likely not, I don't see a reason why banned game should still drop items (game items, not cards, as cards are tied to Steam, not the game in particular). Although I didn't try it, so you need to dig on your own. Checking Steam discussions for that game would be my first shot, maybe other users already did that.

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Thx, gonna see :)

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rightclick on a game in your library, set categories and tick the hide game box - can be useful in the future.
regarding the situation, it's just silly. The creator could have rerolled it. You could have activated it, blacklist can and will happen for anything :)

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You could have activated and then hidden it in your library (to prevent installing it by accident). I understand that you prefer not winning it after learning that it's malware, but now it get's rerolled and someone else gets the malware. Taking it, hiding it and thus forgetting it exists, might have been the lesser of two evils. Don't worry too much about the blacklist though, I wouldn't want to win something from someone like that anyway, because a decent person, in my opinion, would have just agreed to delete the giveaway.

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Latest analyses concluded that Abstractism isn't a trojan/miner, but just poorly designed/coded. So the reasoning isn't really right. But why should a creator blame you on missing responsibility and blacklist you for that.. a re-roll request doesn't take hours of time. People ..

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The dev admitted it though.

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The image isn't shown properly and I can't open it. But yeah, I also heard that there was a posting in which the dev admitted (sarcastically?), but later edited it. I only saw the edited posting.
But as was posted in the other thread, some people analyzed it further and didn't find a miner (reddit discussion).

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Oh, weird. It worked on my end. The dev said it was used to mine Monero but yes; it could have been sarcastic. It's extremely hard to tell in text.

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Did anyone figure out how it's possible to max out a PC from this century with 1970's Pong graphics yet?

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There's more going on visually than that, and it's not unusual for simple games to end up maxing out resources simply due to the lack of a frame limiter.

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best response of the thread award 🏅 thank you

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Well I won that game and accepted my win...later i found out there were problems with it..did research on it...all i did was delete the file in question and that virus scanners were picking up and tried it..it still ran. That file didn't come back when i did run it.

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You could have just activated the game and simply not downloading it.

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+1
hate rerolls, and when someone with hundreads wins of +1 games ask for reroll cause "there's a miner" in game he will never play - thats just sad.

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Maybe the guy really wanted to play that game and it was in his wishlist.

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Bumping in hopes that that mystery guy sees the thread
I think you were completely in your right by the way.

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Dont give a duck mate!:) blacklist him back haha.
talking about me i d like to claim virus games :D
having secret infected folder in steam library sounds like fun. and u dont have to download it.
anyway, i understand ur point of view, u have a good reason for re-roll
cheers!

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I would have asked for a re-roll too. Haven´t heard about this game before, if it really contains a virus i´d even suggested to delete the GA. Relax and don´t give a fuck about one guy blacklisting you.

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Think twice before entering any giveaway. Or thrice, otherwise you can create problems for giveaway creator. And who loves them?

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No amount of thinking on the OP's part would change anything. He apparently wanted the game, so he entered a giveaway for it. It shouldn't be OUR responsibility to research if the game isn't a crypto-mining virus, that should be Valve's responsibility.

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And I am very polite to re-roll it otherwise you should redeem it

Good to know

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Well, the line with the virus is a bit over the top. Other than that he kinda has a point. There is no reason for him to re-roll. So he is doing you a favour and is in fact polite. Also his speech is formal and polite. No insults, so slang, nothing else.

And the most important point: Yes, you should have checked this before you entered the giveaway. And yes, you should do some basic research for giveaways for every game you enter. The case would be a bit different if this was completely unknown before you entered. Let's say the minimum you should do is check some reviews or the Steam forum. If it was not noted there you could still explain it like that.

Don't see how the blacklist is relevant for the discussion. People are free to blacklist each other without giving a reason. Why should they?

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And yes, you should do some basic research for giveaways for every game you enter

That would be true if the OP asked for a reroll because he decided he disliked the game. It is completely reasonable to expect that a game acquired from Steam is virus-free and safe to install. It's Valve's responsibility, not ours.

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unfortunately is up for the creator to decide if he wants to re roll or not. Which leaves you with no choice but to activate the key, which by itself won't put you at risk.
funny that he was aware himself, he even believes the file is infected. But he still put it up for grabs with no warning, or info on the GA page. Good that he blacklisted you, we all better stay clear from such generosity

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thats not true, you can ask for reroll just cause you dont want this game or dont like ga-creator
There's "Winner reject gift" in reasons of reroll.
So winner could write "Reroll" and mark as not recieved after 7 days

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dont like ga-creator

That's a pretty fucking retarded reason to ask for a reroll, though :D

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You are not an active member of Steamgifts if nobody includes you on a blacklist, so welcome :)

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Well, people blacklists for number of reasons... Imo you could have redeemed and not installed, even if you wanted, you could have hidden the game and that's it.. I've never blacklisted for rerolls

But then again, many people blacklist for whatever reason, I've got blacklisted for saying thanks after winning a game, for my ratio (can't do much living in Venezuela), some people check after a month to see if you played the game you won and if not, they will blacklist, etc

I do believe he did a favour in rerolling the game as you could have redeemed it.. But I don't think is a reason to blacklist you nor to talk you in that way

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Winners can request a reroll, so I don't really see what the problem is. Now, as far as blacklists go, who cares, eh? It's a natural (or unnatural) aspect of SG. Enjoy the notoriety! :)

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Even if it is a trojan, just activate it, you don't need to install it ...

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