So I'm not very tech savvy, but I had a friend who is help me come up with a computer build that I could actually afford.

EDIT: CURRENT BUILD - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6wFrFd
((NOTE - The reason that there is both a wireless and wired network adapter is I'm still debating which I want. I will only be actually getting ONE, so please post which you recommend))

I was just looking to see what you guys thought on it before I actually went through with anything. I already own a monitor + Windows 10 setup stuff, so that's why that's not listed on there. It'll be used primarily for gaming, but it's not like I need top of the line stuff, just enough for things to run and not lag really bad.

Any advice on what to trade different things for would be helpful.

EDIT :
First Build - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3Y6dRG

2nd build by Freestlyuh - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pRYzD8

3rd Build - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bm2NCy

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A WiFi card would not be the best choice if you want minimal lag.

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There's no Ethernet ports in my house in a location where I could actually set up a computer I don't think :/ I'll have to look around, though.

6 years ago
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You can use a ethernet powerline adapter to run over any wall outlets if they are on the same circuit breaker.
You'd plug one into an outlet by your modem, and one into the outlet by your pc, hook up the ethernet cables and sync the adapters and you're good to go.

There are lots of options at lots of speeds, but I have this one (got on sale for ~$30):
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Pass-through-1200Mbps-TL-PA8030P-KIT/dp/B00Y3QYTS6/

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Definetly something to consider, thank you!

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Sure! My modem is in my spare room by my pc, and I use the adapter to get internet to the livingroom and my tv/consoles etc... Works very well

6 years ago
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Not for nothing, but might be worth looking at powerlink adapter?

6 years ago
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Beat you to it by 10 seconds xD

6 years ago
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lol! Nice ninja! ^^

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I picked up the Hyper 212 for a temp fix for my 1600X while I await the AM4 upgrade kit for my Maelstrom 240T.
1) It's HUGE - barely fits in my case.
2) It's quite loud compared to a AIO watercooled.
3) If you are going to overclock - forget it - it keeps my CPU cool (around 50C and I'm not overclocked) until I start playing games - it then pretty much goes into overdrive and after a while it just can't keep up - It's a very poor cooler.
4) The amount of pressure needed to clip it into place is insane - I honestly thought I was going to break my CPU - and that was before I flipped the clip over.

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Oh dang, really? I had heard it was one of the better coolers. I'll look into some others then - thanks for telling me!

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It is a good cooler for that price, not sure what that guy is on about. I use it in 2 different PCs and it keeps them cool just fine. I did have a really hard time installing them on both AMD and Intel tho.

Other than that, I would recommend you to definitely go with a 1050 instead of the 750.

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I think it's related to Ryzen reporting temps 20c higher than their actual temps. I was getting 50c before in HWmonitor, but now after an update it's showing 30c.

So he might not really be getting 50c temps

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I just updated software and I'm now sitting around 36C so you were right about that - It is cooling things nice - it's jumping to around 70C under 100% load, so much cooler then before.

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OK as below I updated and i am getting lower recorded temps now, but I will still stick by the size, noise and difficulty installing - I put the "blob" method of transfer fluid (only using the small 4ml tube that came with the cooler and recommended), and putting the sink on required a huge amount of pressure to sit it right with the brackets. I was really concerned about the pressure exerted on the chip - and then to flip that little switch on the side to lock it in with even more pressure?
I know 14nm Intel chips were being "broken" by non factory (After market) coolers there for a while, and was seriously concerned because the AMD one was a LOT harder to get fitting snug.
There is also the concern of the weight of the fan/sink while sitting in an upright case because of its' size - I've added some cable ties to keep the pressure off the bottom of the chip.
I really can't wait for Deepcool to release these upgrade kits - they were "Supposed" to be released in May - Cooler Master released there for FREE in late may, but Deepcool is selling theirs for the Captain EX/Genome/Rogue/Assassin range and still no update on the releases for the Maelstrom range.

6 years ago
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Happy Cake Day! :-)

6 years ago
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Thank you! Feel free to board the train :)

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Ryzen was reporting all temps at 20c higher than their actual temps for a while. I don't remember the reasoning behind that but there are lots of articles about it.

Using HWmonitor I was seeing temps of about 50c (20c higher than actual temp), but either AMD updated Ryzen, or HWmonitor updated to compensate and I'm getting 30c temps. I have a Corsair h55 Aio.

So you may or may not be actually getting the same ~30c temps

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If you'll be building it yourself, best advice I can give you is to just take your time. If you get frustrated while building it, take a break. You're more likely to make an error if you are frustrated or trying to build it quickly. It sucks, I know, but it saves you from having to buy replacement parts because of a simple mistake.

Edit: Doesn't seem to be what you asked, sorry bout that.

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Yeah, that's definitely something I'll have to keep in mind xP Luckily both my dad and brother have built PCs before and they said they'd help me out.
And don't worry about that, it's still good advice xD

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Cool! Sounds like it'll be a fun little family activity. :)

Other than that, I hope you enjoy building your PC as much as I did. :D

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Thanks :D

6 years ago
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a ryzen 5 build wouldn't be THAT much more expensive imo

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quick google search says that most are about $1000

6 years ago
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hardly, give me a sec and i'll build something decent enough.

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hmm, mostly the same. Can I ask some of the benefits of Ryzen 5 over AMD A10?

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http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600-vs-AMD-A10-7850K-APU/3919vs2937

I think you can find most info on this page. If you need explaining just ask

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A10 is just old old. Ryzen is new and significantly faster. At this point there is no reason to buy A10 unless it's used and very cheap.

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Thanks, both of you :)

6 years ago
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Well if your listening...
I would strongly avoid that build in any way... Its to much dated.
Best be looking for ryzen 3 or 5 ( not that much expensive tbh) with r5 1600 you wont even need a cooler, the box one is pretty good
and wait a bit for some income and get an 1060 or 580 and be happy for couple of years with a 1080p screen!

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What do you think of the one above that Freestylah did then?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pRYzD8

6 years ago
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750 is too old. I'm not sure how easy it is to get something like 1050, but price doesn't seem too much different and it's much faster.

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yeah i wouldn't go with the 750 either but its what he chose in the first place. IMO he should go for a 1050TI if he really want something cheap but decent

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Yeah, it's only a $20 difference so I'd be willing to go up. Do you think that that would push it to need a cooler or should it still be good without one?

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the cooler included with the 1600 is really good. it even allows for some modest overclocking.

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r5 1600x will run even with a 3.8 Ghz overcloak on stock cooler. You can search youtube
And even 1050Ti would be a min for modern games at console level graphics and 30fps

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It's just the 1600 that ships with a cooler, the 1600X doesn't come with one.

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Much better, still a pretty budget card(its basically a place holder), and personally i would like to see a 3000+ Mhz memory kit (just for the future proofing =) )
And i think theres a 550W Corsair power supply for the same price, the more the wats out off the box, the cooler it will be and the longer it will work.

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Updated to the 1050Ti for the card, and I'll definetly go look at the power supply - hadn't been aware of that!

6 years ago
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Yeah true but all these little increases in price do add up and i wanted to stay as close as possible to his initial price total

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I'd be willing to go up and save if it means saving in the longrun (less replacement parts) :) It's not something I'll be buying right now anyways, just planning so I can buy it sort of bit-by-bit instead of robbing the bank all at once xP

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then i would definitely go with 3000mhz+ ram. Ryzen really benefits from higher ram speeds

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...I'm really stupid, what exactly would I be changing for that?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TrwXcc updated

however, if you can spare around 50-60$ more i'd go for 16GB ram instead of 8GB

6 years ago
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Well I feel immensely stupid now xD Thank you

6 years ago
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Don't feel stupid. When i started building my pc's i had to ask for advice as well. And even now, i rather ask advice than do stupid stuff :)

6 years ago
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Do you think the motherboard is good, or should I go up on that, too? Someone below mentioned getting one with Wifi?

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i am not really a fan of built in wifi because of the premium you pay for it. Much cheaper to just add a card, especially since most of the extras on that more expensive motherboard will go unused anyway. You can however buy a more expensive one, that is all up to you

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But I should be fine with the one chosen for most games?

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Well yeah, im not really a supporter for WIFI gaming in general but yes both that motherboard and pci-card will be enough for general gaming.

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If your Ok with buying parts to parts and then building, just wait for autumn, you'll se some deals on the weekly basis.
I mean one week you'll get a deal on good ram, the other you'll get 20$ of a CPU etc.
Autumn => Christmas the best time for shopping =)

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That's when I was planning to ;) Good to know that that's the best time, though. It's sort of going to be my reward for this semester anyways, so that timing is good xD

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The cpu and gpu are both dated. 1050 is about same price and is much faster. The current Ryzen CPUs are much better value than A10. Also the new intel cpus released next week, specially the i3 might provide good value.

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In a store where i bought my pc it costed like 25€ for them to build the pc. I thought I could build one, but didn't want to risk messing something up...

About the pc, you should ask yourself what do you want to play really... When i bought a laptop 2 years ago, csgo was all i wanted to play, 2 years later, wanted to play battlefield 1, couldnt.... bought myself a 900€ desktop for gaming, runs everything and will run everything for the next 5 years.

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Try look for second hand i5 2 or 3 gen with decent motherboard
ebay / gumtree ect.

my personal second hand bulid VR ready
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/JzNQzy £390

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I'm personally curious why you would choose to pair an AMD cpu with an NVIDIA GPU. I have not done a new build in a few years, but it used to be AMD/ATI vs INTEL/NVIDIA... you would normally get better performance out of the box when matching your gpu/cpu providers. That may not be something that is still happening today... maybe some of the other users can comment.

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The best CPU for an Nvidia GPU is a Ryzen, Nvidia is more powerful in GPUs (for gaming), at least the high performance/tier/price cards (1070, 1080 and the Ti's) and AMD is the new king of the desktop/performance computers.

But I think he chose Nvidia because that card is very cheap (and very very old btw xD)

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Huh, interesting. As an adult I have not done a pc build. I just buy a new gaming laptop every year... but that is because I am constantly travelling. I do miss the days of having a hugely overpowered rig and a massive monitor though ;)

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Tweet from Nvidia:

Welcome back, @AMD. Threadripper and a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti make a compelling pair.

https://twitter.com/NVIDIAGeForce/status/895746289589039104

EDIT: wait for Ryzen laptops ;)

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It's also reality that just now the AMD cards are better in cryptomining and as such their prices are extremely inflated. Certain tiers of Nvidia aren't nearly as effected which makes them better deal for gamers.

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people still build crypto mining rigs?

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Ethereum seems quite popular at the moment, and probably some other coins. But yes, an other boom going on...

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Try to find an RX 580/570/480/470 in the second hand market for less than $300 :P

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holy crap, I wasn't paying attention! I bought my rx480 or $200 in February...

Time for an upgrade!!!!

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The RX 480 is the most wanted card in the second hand market, sell it and buy a GTX 1070 :)

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In mid range I prefer an RX 580 (if you can find one) than a GTX 1060, not only because it has 2 GB more but because I think it's a better card in general. But I recognise the superiority of their higher tier models.

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Better card for sure, but if one can't be find for right price it's pointless ;D

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Well the GTXs 1060 6 GB are very hard to find too, they are good to mine Ethereum and other cryptocurrencies. So our only choices are to go for the low tiers (GTX 1050 Ti/RX 560) or high/very high (1070/1080). Mid range is for mining :D

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And Vega doesn't really look good at the pricing they have... So there is clear hole now in market. I hope it gets solved before I find money to upgrade my system. Then again probably aiming at 1080 so I'm probably okay...

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I think that time has passed. At the moment there is no noticeable difference to pairing except the obvious speed advantages that the GPU's and CPU's provide

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And after watching AMD buy ATI, I would have suspected that it would have become even more noticeable since they could easily created a custom bus into their architecture... so I am kind of surprised by this... is there not difference between todays crossfire vs sli?

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AMD's crossfire is more flexible in the sense that you can use a series card to pair, while SLI is restricted to using the same GPU. Atleast a few years ago, when i build my current gaming rig. Maybe SLI has been made more flexible now aswell, i'm not really sure

Edit: There was also some degree of micro stuttering when crossfiring but i can't really say it still happens, or maybe i just got so used to it

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a series card? You are talking about the cards that already are basically 2 hardware level crossfired cards - or in essence 4 x gpu's?

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copy paste from Wikipedia(explains it better than i can):

GPU in the same series can be crossfired with each other. So a 5800 series GPU (e.g. a 5830) can run together with another 5800 series GPU (e.g. 5870). However, GPUs not in the same hundred series cannot be crossfired successfully (e.g. a 5770 cannot run with a 5870). The only exception is that the HD 7870 XT cards can be used with a HD 7900 series GPU (e.g., a 7950) in a crossfire configuration because they feature the same GPU.[29]

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Update 2 is by far better than the original build. You get so much more for the money, even if it costs a bit more. Do you really need an optical drive? Easy place to save.

If you need WIFI, maybe get a better motherboard with it included?

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The Optical Drive is like, a low priority thing, but something I'd probably get in the future to add.

Ooh, I didn't know that those were an option. I feel very stupid :,)

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usually the premium you pay for built in wifi is much more than a external card while not providing any benefits at all.

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Am I missing something, or is there no HDD?

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I was going to mention that too...

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There wasn't one in his original build so i assume he has that available

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Probably using an older one.

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The Ryzen 5 + Geforce 1050 Ti build is good, just get a cheap SSD (for windows) + hard drive (for everything else) and you'll be set. :)

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Commenting only on your original build and not giving item specific suggestions (sorry)

Processor = No, go for a Ryzen 3 or 5 series.
CPU Cooler = Not sure, looks like a decent cooler with 8 heat pipes but rather large...could do better? Second hand is a good option for coolers (do not forget you might need thermal paste)
Motherboard = That is very good value but not getting a DDR4 compatible board would be odd.
RAM = DDR3 is not the future, although decent.
GPU = The new nVidia 1000 series is a big upgrade in power to performance a 1060 would be ideal but 1050 is alright.
Case = For the price is fine.
Power Supply = Fine for your needs.
Optical Drive = Do you want one? if so fine.
Wireless = Never thought of a PCI express wireless card, but it does the job.

I see you already had more useful replies than mine, but I am just giving general advice.

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Your CPU and GPU will not last very long.

A Ryzen 5 1500x will cost about $50 more and give double the performance- it will last you for years.
A GTX 1050 ti will cost $50 more and give you %150 performance over the 750 ti and it will not bump your power profile.

If you are going with a wifi card, you can also consider powerline adapter for ethernet link through your electrical outlets (about $40 for an actual ethernet connection), or a usb wifi adapter which would only cost about half the price. I actually prefer usb adapters myself because I can connect it to a usb cable and then place the adapter somewhere where it will get the best signal. If it is a wireless pci card, you'd have to move the entire pc if the signal was not too great.

Edit: I just saw your edit now, that second build will keep you happy for years. :)

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CPU + Mobo + 16 gb ram http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-P8Z77-V-LK-Intel-Z77-Motherboard-Intel-Core-i5-3570-16GB-Corsair-Ram/192274461695 will go below 150$ or find similar
GPU try buy on ebay bid rx 460 for below 70$ or by brand new rx 560

And you will have decent PC below 450$

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I presume you don't need a disk drive? And do you know if you can install Windows 10 on another system, or do you have a license key waiting for a new system?

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I have a key :)

6 years ago
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why not a single stick of 8gb and a micro atx for the savings?

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