Will you buy Hitman 3 on Epic Game Store?
IOI possibly can't release it as it wasn't published by them. That said the fact that they're selling an unlock means they've come to some sort of a deal over it which makes the lack of a Hitman 2 release even more puzzling. The only conclusion you can draw from the whole situation is that they didn't want to give the upgrades out at all.
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If I were interested in this game, I would be seriously pissed.
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On one hand, yeah it pisses me off. On the other, put infinite amounts of cash in my hand (like epic does with developers) and I'd do worse. You know, it's the world we live in. They get the money, I don't get the game. Life moves on. I'm over getting angry at this.
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Walls of text? A poll? Jeez, this site is getting too political.
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5 days? Hmm no, it's still gonna be another year before release. ;P I'll save my anger for that time.
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You don't seem to grasp what the word excusive means.
In the simplest terms, being exclusive can be defined as an agreement between two people that neither of them is romantically pursuing other partners. This doesn't mean that you're automatically in a relationship or that you have to start using the terms boyfriend or girlfriend.
Oh, you meant platform exclusivity?
In that case, it means that it is restricted to only those with a PC and willing to download a free application that is freely available to everyone. I guess it excludes those without internet access?
I'm not a fan of games being exclusive to a particular digital storefront - in an ideal world, every PC game would be available DRM-free from GOG - but when we already have games exclusive to Steam, Origin, Battle.net, Microsoft, Rockstar, and Bethesda launchers, the battle has been lost, and Epic exclusivity is just another drop in the bucket.
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Your forced to download one launcher and not the other. Very mild exclusivity, honestly. The true exclusivity here is the exclusive VR mode for PS. I don't have a problem with Epic (in fact, it is a welcome addition to Steam and in some ways even better). But I have a problem with trying to force me to buy a console and also a console VR headset, which is very much subpar to what I have in every way. I have all the hardware I need for a really nice Hitman VR experience. Instead they make it so that I would have to spend 700-800€ on top of the game, just to get a shitty low-res substitute for what I could have gotten. That is the real exclusivity problem here. And you complain about downloading another launcher. :/
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I don't mind you being ok with epic. Why do you mind me not being ok with them? Very strange...
But now that we're having a go, epic is incredibly sub par. No forums, shitty launcher, crappy storefront. Do they even have proper mod support yet? What about all the other features that should be standard in this day and age.
And I absolutely hate that they're forcing people to use their rubbish ecosystem. Even more so when companies have advertised on different plarforms, though of course that's more the publishers and/or developers fault, but Tim Sweeney can fuck right off. He's a hypocrite (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/04/microsoft-monopolise-pc-games-development-epic-games-gears-of-war) who's doing what he can to strongarm his way into the market, and making it all the worse for consumers while doing it.
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Are you sure you're ok with it? Because I only briefly mentioned Epic, yet you're pretty much concentrating on nothing else. ^^ My main point was the VR exclusivity and that it was way more exclusive and the true problem here for VR users. Because it's an actual barrier thhat cannot be overcome without spending a ton of money. Would you not agree?
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What do you mean am I sure.
You replied to me. My whole thing was about epic amd its launcher, and you finish by belittling my statement.
This is dumb. If you're just going to skip over the majority of what I wrote, then you're wasting my time. Fool me once, and all that.
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Your post was about exclusivity, and you replied to someone talking about console exclusivity. So I stated what I believe is the worse kind of exclusivity, which is hardware exclusivity (by a long shot). My intention was not to talk about Epic more than necessary, but about exclusivity in this specific case. But you seem to prefer to talk about Epic. Well ok, let's do that real quick.
Cons:
Pros:
That's what I meant by saying it is better in some ways. Because it is. It's also worse in other ways. But prices during sale (and even some time after sale with the last coupon you get) are definitely better than on any other store (unless the publisher has not set the regional price for certain reagions properly). If you care mostly about the game itself and not so much about community features, the EGS is actually pretty interesting, purely based on the lower sales prices. Not as a replacement for Steam (which I still prefer at the end of the day), but as a nice addition. I think that's a reasonable argument.
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Games are usually DRM-free (unless bound to UPlay or Origin). This also means the launcher is not necessary to play the games, once downloaded
A lot of games on Steam are DRM free as well, it's usually indie games. So it's not something that exclusive to EGS
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Sure, I know. But a lot of the AAA games that have DRM on Steam are DRM-free on EGS. I think that's worth mentioning.
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The drm part is irrelevant. It's an ecosystem, and you're forced to have their stupid launcher. Steam also have a lot of drm free once you've downloaded.
Also, this was my original post that someone replied to. Don't attempt to obfuscate the topic.
You can make all the pros and cons you want. It changes nothing.
Epic is a cancer for the pc market, and i sincerely hope they run out of money sooner rather than later. Exclusivity is terrible for the consumer. You liking the worse ecosystem does not change that fact. Also, Tim Sweeney is a snake. And yes, I'm still sure.
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Probably not. Would anyone have used Steam when it was new, if they hadn't made Half Life 2 exclusive? Probably not. You can call it a bribe, but at the end of the day it's a big discount that they only give to us because they are in competition to Steam and need to win us over. Meaning we customers already gained something from all this, and I hope we will see a lot more of it (hopefully also on Valve's side).
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And was that positive or negative for you? We're used to it now, but when Half Life 2 came out, people were actually outraged that Valve forced them to install a launcher and create an account just to play the game.
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I don't think it's irrelevant, considering how many people value GOG because they offer exactly that. It's the main selling point for many people on GOG. So the fact that they could get certain games DRM-free on Epic, but not on Steam, is at least worth mentioning. I don't even care much myself, since Steam's DRM is not annoying at all and Steam will probably be around for the forseeable future. But it matters to some people, so I listed it.
Also, this was my original post that someone replied to. Don't attempt to obfuscate the topic.
Yes, but I did not reply to your original post. I'm not obfuscating anything. Someone replied to you regarding console (hardware) exclusivity, and I gave my two cents to your discussion about that specific topic. How is that not allowed?
You can make all the pros and cons you want. It changes nothing.
You started by listing your cons (since you totally hate them, you obviously have no pros ;) ). And now you criticize me for listing mine?
Exclusivity is terrible for the consumer.
And I showed you a form of exclusivity that I consider way, way worse. Since it's exclusive to the point where I would have to spend 800€ to get into the cool kids' club (and still get a sub-par experience compared to what I could have without their exclusivity deal). But you don't seem to care about that at all.
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How is my post whataboutism? And you have been very defensive, and I don't even know why. Fact is, while I try to argue your points and have a discussion, you never really reply to mine and only talk about what you think I'm doing, when actually all I wanted is to talk about Hitman's hardware-based VR exclusivity compared to the soft exclusivity that the EGS represents. Considering your statement that games being free is irrelevant, I objected and explained why. At least I am trying to have a discussion. You didn't even try to bring another argument there.
Since you're obviously way more interested in either bashing Epic (which, again, was never my main point to begin with) or telling me what you think I'm doing wrong, we can just leave this for good. Feel free to take a last shot at me, if that's what you want (that seems to be what people usually do in these scenarios). It's really a shame that people can't seem to have a civil discussion as soon as Epic gets mentioned. I honestly don't understand why. These discussions always get so heated so quickly, and people get super defensive. I don't see why we can't just talk about Epic like with any other topic. You said in the beginning you wouldn't mind me being ok with Epic. But looking at all these post I really get a different impression. And please believe if when I say I really don't write all this to get you going, make you angry or anything like that. I am truly baffled that it seems impossible to talk about Epic without getting worked up. This is not the first time it happens, and I have a feeling it won't be the last. I am sure we could have talked about GOG without any problems. But as soon as Epic enters the picture, it's over.
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How is my post whataboutism?
The whole bit about consoles again and again. And how i don't seem to care.
we can just leave this for good. Feel free to take a last shot at me, if that's what you want
Let's. And I don't care enough to have any go. I never did.
You said in the beginning you wouldn't mind me being ok with Epic.
And again, i'm fine with that. Not sure how many times i need to repeat. It's very boring..
These discussions always get so heated so quickly, and people get super defensive.
Re-read your posts. You attacked me from the get-go. And proceeded to force positions on me, that i never stated. And you wonder why.
I am sure we could have talked about GOG without any problems.
I'm sure we could.
as soon as Epic enters the picture, it's over.
They are very polarising to be sure. Strong arming your way on to the market by objectively making it worse for consumers tend to divide the waters.
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I'll say this last thing: I did re-read my post and I neither was it my intention to attack you, nor do I feel I did anywhere. Maybe all this aggressiveness comes from a simple misunderstanding. That would explain a few things.
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Even on a thread like this,shilling has to continue. A reminder: this is "le real competition to Steam that does some things better" -
"No pre-load for EGS on PC.
No regional pricing, making it the most expensive platform to purchase Hitman 3 in many countries
We have to rebuy the gold access pass of Hitman 2 on EGS, despite having it on Steam. (There are both passes, one for Hitman 2 standard and the other for Hitman 2 gold edition). Even with an 80% discount, it's literally buying what you own already.
Hitman 2016 version is only free if you already have it or purchase Hitman 3 within the first 10 days of the launch period/ preorder them. Meaning you have to purchase Hitman 2016 again as well if you miss a limited time window
No VR option for the PC version of Hitman
Progression carryover can only be done ONCE. Meaning if you carried your progress from Steam to the EGS version of Hitman 3, you can't carry that progress back to the Steam version in future
If you fail to carry over BEFORE starting Hitman 3 on EGS, you PERMANENTLY lose all the progress you make in Hitman 3 when you decide to carry over in the future. Meaning you have to start a fresh Hitman 3 playthrough."
Do tell me what does Epic exclusive does better then simply bringing the game on Steam. Oh yeah that's right. Literally nothing. Will the cloud saves at least be working for this game? They can't even do achievements right in this day and age. Such amazing competition. Meanwhile Steam never stops adding features. They should give out more freebies to buy all the anti-consumer shills of the internet instead.
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You can preload on EGS for other games, there are regional prices for other games (btw Hitman 3 is only $24 here so it's devs fucking up prices for your country, not Epic), those gold access whatever can be given for free if the devs really want to, VR as well if the devs actually want to, progression system no idea on this one but pretty sure it's housed on Hitman 3 servers and not EGS one.
None of your arguments are even about Epic games but about the devs choosing to do all of these. Hate all you want but at least give an argument that actually makes sense.
I find the lack of shitty asset flips welcoming on EGS but Steam is still nicer due to other community features.
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Where did I write anything that qualifies as "shilling"? I barely mentioned Epic and focussed on the VR exclusivity instead (which sadly none of you even commented on). Also, is this list supposed to show shortcomings of the EGS? Because those are all the fault of the dev/publisher and not properties of the store. EGS has VR games, EGS has preload, EGS has regional pricing. Blame IO, and probably Sony.
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I'm still annoyed that I can't play my Hitman maps in Hitman 2 without buying HITMAN™ - GOTY Legacy Pack so I guess I'm easily annoyed. Not so much about this though since I rarely buy new games within a year or so anyway.
Edit: Apparently I can play the maps I own from Hitman in Hitman 2. The game just gave the impression that I couldn't earlier when I tried because it gave me a "Get Access" link to the Steam Store and the maps needs to download separately from the Steam installation for some reason.
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as much as i love the entire hitman series.. i almost never buy games right when they're released because of price and things. i will probably pre-order the steam version in a year though. i imagine it'll be a bit cheaper than whatever egs is currently charging.
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+1
Cheaper, less bugs, more DLCs/bundles that include more for less, and most exclusivity deals are expired by then. Really, are there any reasons not to wait a few years before buying games these days? :P
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honestly the only reason i can think of to buy them sooner, is to play them sooner. patience pays off though 😉
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For Hitman specifically, they have "Elusive Targets" which are supposed to be a limited-time one-time assassination that you can permanently miss. I was lucky enough to get to play a few of them as they returned to Hitman 2 as I got into it when all DLC had already been released but not all elusive targets came back. That's one reason anyway. Typically I'm a patient gamer and thanks to Epic I will be for Hitman 3.
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I haven't played a Hitman game since Absolution, and I haven't seen a single spoiler since. I guess it depends if you hang out around places that discuss the games (like Reddit, for example). Heck, I didn't even know the newer games had a story. :D
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Yeah this is absolutely me as well. I have plenty of backlog to play the waiting game. And while it annoys me that IO went this route and is screwing over loyal customers, in reality it doesn't effect me as even if it released on steam now, the soonest I'd probably buy it is next years summer sale.
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I will wait for Hitman 3 to get to steam in the future plus a big discount. Waiting a few years to buy the game after release is normal thing now :)
I'm sure we will need a guide about what version we have and what season pass gives and what it does not and what upgrade you need to buy to get a full game for a game you already paid thinking it was full like with Hitman 2 and their standard edition, silver update, gold update, expansion pass, GOTY Legacy Pack and GOTY Legacy Pack Upgrade.
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And they tell people this just now right before release? That's very questionable, guess they broke the bad news now to not lose lots of preorders.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HiTMAN/comments/kxxjhv/steam_users_have_to_repurchase_content_they/
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No problem just act as if the game is in early-access currently, we will get a clean version on steam later.
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I wish for more epix exclusives so once the games arrives to steam we will be players and not alpha/beta testers and because the paid monopoly the developers will have fund to fix bugs. I can wait for that one year on games i want to play. No clue how worthy for EGS is the exclusives tho, you can see on steam purchases that most users waiting for steam releases, enough to see only the amount of Hades reviews etc.
However, i still not bought any exclusive title for myself on steam, i bought only as gift for giveaway winners and friends.
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Yeah I doubt any publishers would release actual sales numbers, but from the look of things, games that have released on steam after the exclusivity ended still often end up in the top sellers on steam and with enough activity to indicate a lot of people are willing to wait. So rather than luring everyone away from steam, Epic has created a buy-in beta testing period for these games. And it gives me more time to see the game in action as well before I decide if it goes on the wishlist or not.
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Hitman 2016 version is only free if you already have it or purchase Hitman 3 within the first 10 days of the launch period/ preorder them. Meaning you have to purchase Hitman 2016 again as well if you miss a limited time window
I'm pretty sure you're misreading that one.
Anyone who pre-orders Hitman 3 or purchases it within the first 10 days gets the Hitman 1 access pack as a bonus at no extra cost. Anyone else who owns Hitman 1 (including those who claimed it when it was free) can claim the access pack at no extra cost whenever they do buy Hitman 3.They're just clarifying that those who claimed it free qualify and the free uopgrade isn'rt restricted only to those who purchased the game.
Owners of HITMAN 1 on EGS (including all players who claimed it when it was available for free in August) will get a free upgrade to the HITMAN 1 GOTY Access Pass at any time after purchasing HITMAN 3.
Clarification of this from further in the article.
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The reason IOI went indie is because Hitman didn't hit sales targets. Under such circumstances, I guess IOI decided to take the financial security of going exclusive with Epic in exchange for the exclusivity bonus (and better sale percentage). Same reason why it doesn't support VR (Sony might've paid for exclusivity). If doing this is what it takes for them to survive right now, then I ain't gonna complain. I'd rather that they sell games on Epic than shut down their studios. Hope they get acquired so that they can get back to the way things were coz their games are brilliant.
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I totally get the studio's decision. If I was making a product and a store was dumb enough to pay me to sell it there, I'd take the cash. The gaming industry is hard enough as it is.
I just wonder how long Epic is going to bribe studios for their games and how they think it's a sound economic model. I know they somehow believe that means kids are going to think Epic is the bee's knees but yeah right. People go where the freebies are. The day Epic has their target base customers, they'll start screwing studios and selling at outrageous prices like everyone else. I'm too old to fall for that trick.
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Oh, I won't be defending Epic for their actions and some of their exclusivity deals, but a few of those deals have saved some studios from making layoffs. As long as it is for the good of developers, I'm gonna be not so critical. I'm not as averse to Epic as some people are, but I'm really annoyed by the lack of some basic features in their storefront and launcher.
And the day they go back to the same profit distribution as Steam is the day I start calling them out. But that seems unlikely with their revenue streams pretty much sorted out (Chinese backers, Fortnite, Unreal Engine, and now Rocket League). And some of their sales in my region are honestly ridiculous. So fair play!
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sooner or later, those studios will fall if they cant manage once to survive...
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I was thinking about the VR part. Saw some time ago that the game was going to have VR but i was thinking about how the hell will they implement that... Now i know, by not doing a sh**t.
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Wow, that is absolutely terrible. Time to wait then.
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Or should, if this is your first encounter with the game. The following text doesn't impact you in any way then.
So, I suppose the final chapter in the Hitman series is releasing soon (on Epic Game Store cause exclusivity is a great thing for all), and as was the case with the previous game, people were wondering if their progress and unlocks will transfer into Hitman 3.
Well, the good news is that it will happen. Now, how exactly it will happen is something to talk about. IOI Interactive revealed today the progress carryover process and you can read more about it here: https://www.ioi.dk/hitman-3-pre-launch-guide/
But to get the gist of it:
No pre-load for EGS on PC.
No regional pricing, making it the most expensive platform to purchase Hitman 3 in many countries
We have to rebuy the gold access pass of Hitman 2 on EGS, despite having it on Steam. (There are both passes, one for Hitman 2 standard and the other for Hitman 2 gold edition). Even with an 80% discount, it's literally buying what you own already.
Hitman 2016 version is only free if you already have it or purchase Hitman 3 within the first 10 days of the launch period/ preorder them. Meaning you have to purchase Hitman 2016 again as well if you miss a limited time window
No VR option for the PC version of Hitman
Progression carryover can only be done ONCE. Meaning if you carried your progress from Steam to the EGS version of Hitman 3, you can't carry that progress back to the Steam version in future
If you fail to carry over BEFORE starting Hitman 3 on EGS, you PERMANENTLY lose all the progress you make in Hitman 3 when you decide to carry over in the future. Meaning you have to start a fresh Hitman 3 playthrough.
Just marvelous. What's bizarre is that https://personal.hitman.io/ already shows your data about what DLC/version you own. They could easily check that, and grant access.
How do you split from Warner Bros, go independent and end up being worse than them? Will 2021 be the year where devs/publishers just collectively decide to be asshats to the consumers? Stay tuned
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