There's a subreddit for that, r/circlejerk
I'm so confused I have no idea what the thesis is.
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I can't begin to agree or disagree, I don't understand what he's saying, it's very convoluted. I've read through it three times and there's testicles, elitists, stagnation, competition, with every sentence ending in a question.
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Well typically it is better to voice both sides of an argument when anything comes up. If something is accepted initially by everyone there is typically something wrong with it.
Big Secret: I'm actually not necessarily 'against' the initial idea of banning people (though I am against making it go more than one layer deep). I'm just a big fan of a good solid debate and am more than happy to take up the side I am against in order to create a better overall idea.
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yeah the paragraphs above never mentioned bans, so I guess that's why I easily missed it.
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This is clearly in response to my suggestion. I was merely suggesting it and the fact that my idea has both supporters and people who are against it says that its an idea that requires consideration and discussion amongst members. I never intended to make it about competition, in fact, I'm all about bringing people to the site. My idea was to help prevent abuse of the invite system for their own malicious purposes, if you have any other ideas to help prevent false giveaways and whatnot, I'm open to your suggestions and discussions.
Edit: Missed an sentence and fixed spelling errors.
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I'm not sure where you're going with the idea of forcing the opposition to accept their crazy unrealistic depictions of their side, but still the issue needs to be addressed. I'd prefer to have a discussion instead of saying, "Nothing needs to be done" because it has occurred repeatedly and we need to take up a proactive approach to try and circumvent this.
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It's just a function of debating meant to help show the possible extremes of the opposing side's position. It's meant to help the opposing side think about exactly what they are arguing for. As for saying 'nothing needs to be done' I'm moderately certain I did not say that nothing needed to be done, but instead suggested the idea of flagging accounts who have invited people (who in the short-term were bad eggs) so that if someone is obviously trying to cause trouble, the admins should have an easy time noticeing.
I'm just arguing against the idea of mass bannings because one guy slipped up.
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I apologize, I did not mean to point the finger at you being of the one that's been saying nothing needed to be done. I'm just saying most opponents have said no outright or didn't like the idea of 3rd chain but did not object to immediate invitees. Flagging accounts would require more work on moderators part, and as far as I know, there's only one admin. As far I know, I don't think moderators have the ability to see who invited who at this time being, just IP addresses being logged.
I don't see how there's a mass banning because a guy slipped up, according to my suggestion, if we implemented the rule of taking accountability of their immediate invitees- only the inviter and the violator/invitee would face consequences. Never anywhere did I say a ban would be the only punishment either, it could be a suspension and if the inviter has shown irresponsible invites repeatedly, then perhaps a ban. If the inviter has shown to invite 10 people, and one screwed up and none of his other invitees did, then he could make a compelling case and not even get a suspension or warning and those 9 other invitees would be not punished.
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Well the original thread made it sound like if Person A invited Person B, then Person B invites Person C, and Person C messes up that both A and B should be banned. As I just said in the other thread in general a small suspension or perhaps even a 'points debt' (making someones points go to negative so that they would have to wait for it to go back up) would be much more acceptable in general to the invitees
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he does bring up a valid point. But the fact atm is our mods have their hands full right now and they need a way to enforce the rules. Maybe restricting invites is the key, maybe its not. I still think that having some accountability for your invites would work well as long as the mods don't over do the punishment for the poor guy just handing out an invite to whom he thinks is harmless. That's where you have to trust in the mods judgement call.
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Excellent idea. Then most people will get on avg. 2-3 points before they stop caring or die.
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With the summer camp sale I was thinking this was a problem the same as you. Now I am not as sure as I was before. except for glapos going crazy a while ago there hasnt been too many giveaways created. Or maybe this is because there arent 1892 fake giveaways being created? That seems to be much more under control as well.
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That sounds elitist -_- *warning (This is a joke)
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They are clearly for inviting people to this site and helping it grow and flourish into a grand site that is a great thing to behold, right?
Apparently not, apparently they exist for people to get their close friends to join and no one else eventually causing the chain of invites to stop and making the sites growth become stagnant. Or at least, this is the way much of the community seems to think they should be used for. Why is this? Is it because they don't want competition for the giveaways? Do they honestly think that the bad seeds aren't going to find other ways to get invites? Are they just elitists that feel that now that they're in the site it is perfect and that it can only go downhill from this point if more people come?
So then, to address the questions at hand... Don't want competition? Well, you clearly haven't noticed that with growth of members has come a mostly equal (or even greater) growth in giveaways made. But wait you say, if that's true, then why are giveaways getting 500-1000 entries instead of 100-200? Because there's 5 times as many people and 5 times as many giveaways and 5 times as many points. However, you still have a 5 times as good of a chance to win as you did before, or maybe not. But you have a great chance to win still. Bad seeds find other ways... Yes, they do. Whether it is getting the special invite codes, or having their bad seeds invite them, and then they invite more, etc. But wait, you say, if they're held accountable how can they still do this? Unless you make it a one strike system, they'll all still be able to invite a few really bad seeds and then have one other person they invited start the chain again. But what if we limit invites you say... Then those of us who are honestly just trying to help the site grow won't be able to, because we'll constantly find things blocking our path, and it will just make people less willing to believe this site is legit if ya can't buy an invite without a diamond the size of a testicle.
Are you elitists? Yes, most of you are just of an elitist view that the site was better when you joined or the site couldn't possibly be better with any more members. Plain and simple, this view will cause stagnation and make this great thing just die out entirely.
Now to really scare you... One day this site won't require invites.
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