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Bad because I use bots (give an explanation in the thread <3)
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Like you create fake giveaways or unwanted games to make them waste points and then do something you care about? Both wouldn't work, so you may have better idea on mind, can you elaborate further?

1 month ago
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No, no fake giveaways! The prize is a legit key, and you give a warning beforehand that you'll blacklist anyone who joins the giveaway. Could be other options.

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It won't work, you can blacklist just 1000 people, not even level restriction will help you.
There was even done some bot catching by admins years ago to give suspension to people who join... neither helped lower bot ammounts.

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First of all, many folks just don't read the GA descriptions. Then also isn't there a legit SG browser extension allowing users to enter GAs from the main page without going to the GAs' page?

Saying so, even though I don't do this, it is a perfectly legit way to find those, that you want to blacklist, if you feel, that it's OK to include those 2 categories alongside bot users.

Myself at times I check folks, that enter a GA in the first or last minute or 2. If most of their won GAs have been entered so fast or so late, then I do assume, that they are using bots.

Edit: and yes, because of the 1000 entry limit for blacklists it doesn't make sense to BL folks below at least level 5. Actually I do my occasional checks only in GAs lvl 5+ and limited to some pretty large groups, that I often make GAs for.

Usually about 30 percent of those, that I check, get BLed by me, but mostly because they:

  • keep winning games, but not making any GAs in a very long time;
  • unreasonably region restrict most of their GAs to their country or a small region (surprisingly in my experience it most often happens with NA based players);
  • make most of their GAs to very small groups (less than 10 entries/per GA), yet win a significant portion of their gifts from open/large group GAs;
  • make only GAs for junk stuff, most likely purchased for pennies from cheap key shops, yet keep winning quality games.
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There is an extension like that, but the way it works is that you receive a pop-up only when there's anything in description. I guess there's a function to disable these pop-ups but why would one choose that?

1 month ago
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I use a mobile app for SG, which also allows me to enter from list view, which I frequently use.

1 month ago
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I enter to some Giveaways as soon as they are created cause are games I want and I was just watching the site at the right moment. Never used a bot. I don't even know how, I don't want to.
Literally in this site EVERYTHING makes you a bot. If you do this, you are a bot. If you do that, you are a bot. If you say "Thank you", you are a bot. If you never write, you are a bot. If you are a bot, you are a bot. If you are not a bot, you totally are..

1 month ago
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It seems, that you've misunderstood my post.

I see nothing suspicious in the way, that you have entered your won GAs. It's not a matter of "some GAs". However if it's the case of "most GAs", as I've said, then it would mean, that the user is mostly online and monitoring new GAs, when the GAs of interest to her/him are posted, which obviously would be possible only for a bot.

Cheers :)

P.S.
And, no, it's not a paranoia, as you've stated below, taking into the account, that likely close to 30%+ of entries on lvl 0 open GAs come from bots :(.

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Happy cakeday!
Edit: oh, you're the one that made a train, lol. Knew the pfp felt familiar from a couple minutes ago.

1 month ago
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In my experience, 80-90% of people don't read descriptions...

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waste of a key imo.
Its a never ending problem. You weed out 2, 20 will follow.

If you value a key/game enough keep it safe from bots; dont public GA it (high levels use bots as well) and stick to trusted groups. And/or invite only GAs using an optional tool like SGtools.

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I'm so tired of this paranoia everywhere...

1 month ago
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I use a chrome extension to quickly click join giveaways and also post a thank you on each giveaway, I don't read the descriptions (if I won a game and failed to read the description, ie, only redeemable in a country that isn't where I'm at, I'd simply tell them I cannot redeem it and they should find another winner) but that's entirely on me.

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So you the guy that comments thank you when the description says "don't say thank you".

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if people do say thanks (unless they won) then that should be a a automatic ban

1 month ago
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Scripts are not allowed to be used to automatically enter into giveaways. This includes scripts that enter multiple giveaways at once, or scripts that enter giveaways while you are away.

https://www.steamgifts.com/about/guidelines

Thanks for the GA :)

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One click join is also part of ESGST and this is not the same as auto join

1 month ago
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Sure, ofcourse they are using a convoluted tool like ESGST for that.
What would you say about the ever so considerate auto 'Thank you' messages ?

1 month ago
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I absolutely despise them.

๐Ÿบ May the werewolves protect you ๐Ÿบ

Fuck that shit

1 month ago
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I hate them and if I run a few GAs simultaneously and get them at more than 1, then I'm likely to BL the author, but they are not forbidden by SG rules (those apply to entering GAs, not to posting comments).

1 month ago
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Afaik using auto thanks is only possible using autojoin scripts/extension. The above user shares about a chrome extension that does that for them. And yea, as users we cant prove or say with certainty X or Y has broken rules, we are mere spectators.

So take my parent comment as a friendly FYI for that user, which may or may not apply for them. Idk.

1 month ago
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None of them are auto, I still click on them and it cannot enter multiple at once.

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Hmm, I wonder how many new BL you got for telling that...

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You have good intention. But that's it. Anything beyond that part is simply gonna waste your time.
Your so called "plan" has nothing to do with bots. You are gonna blacklist some users. That's all you are gonna achieve. You won't weed out bots. You are gonna weed out just random people.
Those users may be normal users, they maybe bots, they could be literally anything.

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Or maybe try to approach the situation from the other side?
Follow active community members who create giveaways, add them to your whitelist and create a giveaway exclusively for your whitelist.
Well, or create a group โ€œBots are not allowedโ€ and accept people into it after viewing their profile to reduce the likelihood of joining the botโ€™s giveaway.

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+1

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I dunno how bots work here, but another raffle website I know occasionally makes "honeypots raffles", aka raffles that are invisible in the main page, where the "Join Giveaway" button is not available, where it's made very clear that if you join you'll be instantly banned, only accessible to bots that scrape the main page via source code and join raffles automatically using JS. The items being raffled away don't even need to be real, so nothing of value is lost.

1 month ago
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Here's a solution for you, SG adds a captcha challenge to every "join giveaway" button ๐Ÿ˜‚ No more bots!

1 month ago
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That's actually kind of genius. Only use reCAPTCHA, as the way reCAPTCHAs work, if you are not a bot you usually don't need to solve anything, just click it, but if you are a bot you need to solve them, so this would work and wouldn't inconveniece real users too much. At least for public giveaways.

1 month ago
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actually the "difficulty" is adjustable by the site that embeds those recaptchas

https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/settings

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This has been suggested by a bunch of users over the years and I would love a captcha system, but not on every giveaway. It would be better on a timer that expires after a certain amount of time. Here is a previous comment I wrote about it.

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By the way, thinking about the problem, I came to a simple and seemingly correct logic.
Add all the people from whom you have ever won keys in distributions to your white list. And when you create a giveaway with something special, you will already have an extensive list of people who have already given you positive emotions!

1 month ago
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You'd be better off joining a group or using whitelist to choose who to include. There are too many bots, and not enough blacklist slots.

1 month ago
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I like this idea, but it only works on an individual level since the admins are overwhelmed by unrelated requests.

It would be probably be more efficient if the site would simply require all users to solve a couple of linear algebra problems once a year.

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