Hi there,

I saw Warframe has got a lot of popularity on steam and looked it up. It looks pretty cool but is it pay to win? And if not, are there still a lot of features that are restricted to f2p players?

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Any game that has restricted to f2p content is pay to win.

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Warframe not really since Warframe is PvE not PvP.

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You can do PvP now...

1 decade ago
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so, tf2 is p2w?

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Yes. Person with the best hats always win.

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+1

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Even if they lose, they do so in style which is a win.

I was actually horrified yesterday I was playing against a sniper and I was sure I was beating him to the shots, but I wasn't killing him. I thought I was lagging or something until I read what his items did. 'Cannot be killed by headshots.'

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The set bonuses don't really unbalance the game though, since all the sets are made up of items that don't work well together. In your example, the other sniper has to use a gun that can't headshot.

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+1, surprisingly TF2 is quite balanced, with all their ridicilous items, and bonuses that may seem overpowered to newbies.

1 decade ago
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No, not any. Only 99% of the F2P games.

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not true at all, a lot def are, but there are plenty of great games that you get no advantage from paying, path of exile is an example.

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but even in those games you have to INVEST(pay) more time to acquire abilities than if you would if you pay money for advantages.

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That does not equate to P2W, sorry.

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While you guys hold too tight on the p2w definition, you don't get what the essence of things mean, the subtle meaning.

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lol no

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Do you actually believe that?

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Team Fortress 2 is pay to win? :D Really? I dont think so..

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My unusual hat is better than your's. I'm obviously better

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maybe, but when you call it pay2win, you would imply that you would win, but in non p2w f2p games you still can and I can easily kill those with usual hats, pay2win is it only when you have a high advantage which is not the truth in TF2 and many games like this.

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I was obviously joking. Unusual hats in tf2 are just for e-peen

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Lol... Do some research

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Path of Exile is not p2win

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Planetside2 isn't p2win either

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aion us is not pay to win too.

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League of Legends is not pay to win too too

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its not realy, you can get warframes for free.
And you play against AI so its not like the AI is OP against you and you can't win.

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U can really win for free, no need to pay for anithing

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EXCEPT MORE TIME invested in the game! so in reality you pay more time to win than if you would buy items/abilities with real money.

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Learn what P2W means.

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While you guys hold too tight on the p2w definition, you don't get what the essence of things mean, the subtle meaning.

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And you just dont get that you dont have a real advantage but the time. And yeah he asked if it is P2W and we answer it correctly with the definition. Also if you play a game that you like time doesnt matter and if you pay for early acces to items that averybody can get for free it isnt pay to win because it is still balanced.

EDIT: If you just buy the items and you are new to the game you arnt good so that doesnt fit P2W either. You still have to invest much time to become good.

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Pay to progress faster, sure. Pay to win, not really, since it's a PvE game.

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But now you can do PvP.

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But it's not the main focus of the game.

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Not really but its in the game now :P

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PvP is in the game but in minor form.

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It means you pay more time to progress.

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The only things you can't get by grinding are color palettes and slots for weapons and warframes.

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Well, technically not since you can get everything without spending real money, but practically, yes

Doesn't matter in most cases though, since the main focus is PvE

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F2P = Pay4WÄ°N except tf2

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Yeah, because tf2 made its money long before they went f2p

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Not really. The most people don't know what P2W really is. Before f2p means p2w for the most people there was a real p2w. You need to pay to get behind the walls in a game and such things. If you don't pay you can't complete the game. This is the real p2w.

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Actually, you can't get hats by drops if you've got a free account, and there are sets which give bonuses (eg the pyro +10% move speed one). Thus, by being premium, you can get gameplay-modifying stuff which the F2Ps cannot get unless they buy/trade it from another user (but since they can't trade TF2 stuff...).

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i been playing tf2 about some time i sold all my hats and get games with it half of my steam games from tf2 items
who cares if i dont some hats? also in game itself you dont need fancy hats too win dat shit.
plus bonus are overrated

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You've never played against a set pyro then. That 10% speed bonus is so annoying.

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What about Dota?

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You either don't know what P2W means or you haven't played many F2P games. PS2, NW, and PoE are not P2W, just to name a few.

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That's PVE game. So that isn't "Pay to Win". But that's "Pay to Have Fun" game.
Warframe is too grindy for farming resources and blueprints if you didn't pay.

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it's PvE, so no. Besides every warframe and equipment can be crafted(you get blueprints either from drops or alert missions). The only thing in the store unavailable to non-paying players are the extra warframe and weapon slots.

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Except that farming the ressources for the blueprints takes way too long, which technically makes it p2w.

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It really doesn't take that long, you juat have to find key missions on key planets.

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You can farm a warframe blueprint set in an evening with luck. The resources, you should only need to grind for the rare components if you actually PLAY the game. So no, you're wrong.

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Isn't grinding just a part of each mmo? This maybe ain't a real mmo, but it is an online focused game with leveling and crafting.

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I think you're confusing Pay for Convenience and Pay to Win. Pay for Convenience is not Pay to Win. This is a PvE game where the player doesn't compete in any way, shape or form.

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It's not pay to win, it's pay to save time and effort.

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Its Pay 2b Lazy, not P2W or P4F.

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best explanation ^^

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This.

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It's Pay 2 Sleep.

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Tried it, seems like a giant waste of time with so many other 3rd person shooters that don't make you grind to hell and back.

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Warframe is not a pay to win game. It's more like wait to win.
I have over 300 hours on it, and I think it's totally worth playing.

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It's not pay 2 win. It's pretty fun, if you enjoy jumping around and killing things endlessly (in the same maps with different names over and over again). I had fun when I played it, but as someone said, it's a wait to win game. Did I mention the maps were really repetitive?

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Warframe's the first F2P I actually have stuck with for a while. The biggest restriction is very low warframe and weapon slot space, which if you want MUST be bought. But specific warframes and weapons can all be crafted, with some blueprints rarer then others, only coming from alerts. And orokin catalysts and reactors to double mod slots on your weapons and warframes are relatively rare blueprint drops from 7 day login rewards and/or alert missions.

Having said that, the game is really fun, and is the first f2p I've stuck with for more then a week. It's worth giving a try anyways, and the download isn't that big (1.8ish gigs).

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The short anwser is "not at all".

The long answer is that you can get every single thing just by spending more time playing, except for some mods for the sentinels (which only modify their appearence) and some color sets. The only use for money in this game is if you have a lack of patience and you want to rush things.

Well, to be true, there's another use for money and it is to get Weapon and Warframe slots, but it's not a must have because you can simply sell the old ones to make room for the new ones, and by the time you need more slots you already know if you want to spend money in the game.

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Well, i played warframe for a bit and i don't ever remember there is actually a "win" part... it's mostly a coop game, so whoever wins, everybody wins...

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I'd rather say it's Farm/Grind to Win. Anyway I'm not gonna pay any money while it's beta.

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convenience purchases, it's mostly co-op anyway

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Yeah, it's p2w just like all other F2P games excluding Path of Exile. Yes, this includes your precious Team Fortress 2.

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Explain me how you Team Fortress 2 is 'pay-2-win'.

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How much wisdom in a single comment!!! sarcasm mode off

Really, why do people insist on misleading (or simply trolling) other people when they just haven't got any idea?
PS: Not a single minute played for Warframe....you really can trust this guy's opinion.

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Warframe is NOT pay2win... You can duel with other player but there is no real PvP...

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yap

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warframe is only co-op, theres no winning involved, u win nothing

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You pay $ = you get better things or get them faster than non-paying users. So yes it's p2w.

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Actually the best weapons and warframes you have to aquire the blueprints

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Closed 1 decade ago by Mullac.