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Steam is adding tools to block cross region trading. How will this affect SG? D:

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Good on Steam for employing another archaic measure. Cuz, ya know, prices just have to be different across regions, because of stuff.

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"Good on Steam for employing another archaic measure. Cuz, ya know, prices just have to be different across regions, because of economics."

FYP

11 years ago
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Hell no! Prices should be the same worldwide! At least for digital stuff - the internet is a single region. No boarders here except the ones that are put artificially :-/.

11 years ago
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Ha good joke, O wait? Not a joke? Still quite funny....

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Not a joke. Also it's totally possible - look e.g. at GOG.

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That is one of the reasons that I have hated GOG since it came out. Among a few other reasons.

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:facepalm: now that's a joke!

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Hope you keep facepalm'ing yourself all the way home, and continue to do it for a few more years, to know some sense into that head :P

11 years ago
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It's you who needs some sense if you can't understand why it's bad to mistreat some people just based on where they are living.

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Uhh it's called economy and if we had people like you (who don't understand the higher level stuff) running the countries, the world system would fall apart. There would be wars and everything going on. Nothing good would come from it.

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Damn you're a good troll, was in the middle of writing my reply when it hit me :p.

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I try

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Good troll? He is just being stupid and literally pissed me off with his comments.

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yeah, thank God we don't have those things called wars any more!

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It's called greed, not economy. EOT, since you clearly are too thick to understand what I'm saying.

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Obliviously, you are to think to look at a comment that was posted nearly 30 mins ago....

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Would you happen to be a libertarian?

11 years ago
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Nope... Didn't even know what it was, had to Google it :P Not from America.

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I agree with you. If all prices were the same then people in some countries wouldn't be able to buy it anyways. Don't know why he thinks people are being "mistreated" because of where they live if it would happen either way.

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what would libertarians have to do with any of that? libertarians are for reduced government control over everything...

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the would would fall apart.....you mean more so than it already is? omg end times repent repent! ;P

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If the world wasn't based on this stupid thing called "economy", or as it truly should be called, the ability for the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer, world would be a great place and nobody would live in slavery and misery. Get your fuckin' facts right.

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+1

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yrs - true it is funny

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Yea well....because of that buying anything on Steam for full price from my country (Poland) is a suicide. It's only profitable to buy on Steam when the sale is up

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wow I mean it's not like inflation and currency exchange takes care of that already or anything ugh. I totes agree with you.

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So can you explain how because of economics Americans that have better life standard and paycheck than people from my country (Croatia) can get a game on Steam for $5 and us for 5 euros?

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Yeah we should at least get prices somewhere in the middle between Russian and Western European prices ... but we won't 'cause publishers don't give fuck about the slavic mud race

11 years ago
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same for Latin america. Publishers complain about piracy here, but they are not even triying to sell us their products.

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You mean the Illuminati. They own publishing companies and control the whole damn world. Whoever doesn't believe that, is just a tinfoil hat wearing douche.

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1/10

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So it seems.

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That's cuz living in 'murica is easy mode, we're playing on hard.

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Bullshit. It's only about squeezing every last >insert smallest currency denomination here< out of customers. You may call it economics, but in reality it's just greediness.

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+1

Personally I'm pretty fed up with apologists trying to rationalise and defend the avaricious practices of these companies with spurious arguments about tax, distribution costs, licensing and other flannel. Please, explain to me how a $40 pricing uplift on several games in my region can be attributed to any, or even all of these factors?

The size of some of these price discrepancies, and the fact that there are many distributors who, contrastingly, offer either identical, or at least reasonably fair and justifiable prices across the various regions, should prove to anyone who has their thinking head on that there is a lot of price gouging happening, with little reasoning behind it other than "because they can get away with it".

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Speaking of which.. would be nice to get a separate store for my region.. I mean.. hard copies of games cost less than a game on sale on steam (AAA titles.. you can't get other games as discs/disks)

11 years ago
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Inevitable. Not the end of SG

11 years ago
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The end of Game Miner though..... perhaps.

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It'll be the same except those games will be restricted, as are region-locked games.

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Firstly, it's just a test. Doubt it will come out till next year at least.
Secondly, it's just Steam allowing publishers/developers the opportunity to block regions, doesn't mean they will.

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Right, because region locking games was impossible before.

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I'm guessing it's just an improvement to the current region-lock. Prevents unsuspecting users to get a RU copy of a game in trade and get stuck with it because they can't activate it and then complains to support about it.

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it's really up to publishers really - will they bother with it or not. We already have region locks, still only a few publishers bother with them at all, so why would they suddenly all started using this new feature now?

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only a few? half of the AAA games are region locked...

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first - not even remotely close to 50%, second - i don't see why this input would change anything about it. What's been region locked will be trading/gifting bocked. Waht's not locked will be tradeable/giftable. The only difference is that noone will be able to trade/gift you region restricted copy. So what? You wouldn't be able to legally activate it anyway ;p

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i hope that your predicting skills are very well developed then :)

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Well I guess when Gabe gave that interview where he spoke out against region blocks and regional prices and blamed publishers and developers for forcing steam to use them he was just really lying all the way to the bank

11 years ago
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Probably. Valve behaves very much like a monopoly.

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That, or Gabe actually means it but publishers are forcing this on Valve.

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Generally speaking, Valve behaves very much like a monopoly. Shit customer service. Buggy Steam client. No improvements in core areas because Steam basically has the market cornered.

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the only thing steam has a monopoly on is valve games, everyone elses are free to be distributed elsewhere and a fair few are, i have 4 or 5 other pc distribution platforms installed and their are some i dont have any games on so dont have installed, steam is by most peoples opinion the best of the lot hence it being popular

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Nothing you've stated disputes what I've said. One, I'm talking about behavior. Two, to be a monopoly doesn't require that you have zero competition whatsoever.

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actually their customer service is fine. gave me a refund on a game once because i fucked up reading the system requirements.

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Fine for you, maybe. Steam is widely regarded as having some of the worst customer service for a reason.

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Sounds like a thing that would be used for the type of games that usually get RU locked anyway, just easier to set up who whoever is responsible for doing that.

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last man out turn off the lights

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Way too early to speculate

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"SCREW YOU PEOPLE FROM ___. WE DON'T WANT YOUR DIRTY MONEY!"
<Game Publisher>

Region restrictions in a nutshell, at least from my point of view.

Anyway, the main point if this is probably try stop Russian scammers from getting games cheap in their region and/or by credit fraud, then trading them for game keys or whatever to make profits, or launder the money in the case of credit card chargebacks.

A simpler approach would be to make Russians pay the same base USD price as everyone else has to - including countries, such as the one I live in, that have a lower average annual salary than Russians, and a higher rate of piracy and counterfeiting--- yet have to pay the max standard price in USD.

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"A simpler approach would be to make Russians pay the same base USD price as everyone else has to - including countries, such as the one I live in, that have a lower average annual salary than Russians, and a higher rate of piracy and counterfeiting--- yet have to pay the max standard price in USD."

This.

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I totally support the idea of "the same bas USD price" - that way, most games would be cheaper for users from Australia and Germany =)

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agreed im in the UK and id make a marginal saving if we got US prices so bring it on :)

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Hmm what if they made the prices match AU/NZ everywhere, would you still agree?

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A simpler approach would be to make Russians pay the same base USD price as everyone else has to

So your solution is to remove the solution they started to use in one of the countries just because the others didn't get the privilege? "If I can't have it, nobody else can?" Fuck you.

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Because you people in western countries need a discount compared to actual poor nations such as SE Asian and Africa?

You can keep that final expletive for yourself, please try to remain civil in discussions.

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Because only the poorest of them all are allowed economical discounts? Are you seriously suggesting they just stop implementing the system altogether just because they didn't make it for every country in the world? 60$ releases are not financially feasible in Russia, people will just pirate them if these prices were set. Is that your solution? Implementing this system for every country is not logistically feasible, a lot of poor countries have next to none gaming presence / internet infrastructure / publishers.

Собака на сене блин, сама не ест и другим не дает.

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"A simpler approach would be to make Russians pay the same base USD price as everyone else has to - including countries, such as the one I live in, that have a lower average annual salary than Russians, and a higher rate of piracy and counterfeiting--- yet have to pay the max standard price in USD" Same here, but we pay in €

11 years ago
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SG has been dead before it was even born, just like the PC and PC gaming. Some may utilize this region locking but whether or not it will actually benefit them in the long run is another question.

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Someone please shoot this person... Why are you on a "PC and PC Gaming" website, if you think they are dead. PC gaming will be in it for the long run. No matter what you call a portable device, it is still a personal computer.

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Both the PC and PC gaming have been dead for a loooong time, many xperts would even say they were doomed for failure from the start. Just google it, you will find many 100% reputable sources backing me up.

PS: Trolls are bulletproof. Sarcastic, flame baiting trolls even more so.

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lol seriously.. PC and PC gaming were dead before they were even born.. What planet do you live on ?

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It's a planet unlike any you have ever seen and its dominant species is very bizarre. You see, many members of it have malfunctioning sarcasm detection neural circuitry.

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Don't worry, they just never heard of sarcasm.

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Like his/her avatar would suggest, this person gets it.

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Yep, though given the circumstances you should be a little bit more critical of Steam.

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Nah... I don't want to play games whose publishers are greedy enough to set this to 1. I like it when they out themselves and help me filter their games out of my 2buy list.

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Yeah, it seems that at least some are learning better than to mess with the master race, heck there is even crap that the console plebes won't tolerate. Unfortunately, some of them need to learn the hard way, time again and again.

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That's why they needed an Xbox 360 and Xbox One after the original. 4 Playstations, like 10 DS systems, gamecube, SNES, Wii... and I still play on Windows. You know, because PC Gaming is dead... guess that 4 generations of PS later I can still play new games on my 'dead' PC xD

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Not only that but thanks to those pesky emulator guys you can even continue playing games from dead consoles on your PC. Outrageous!

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I doubt that EC will allow that in europe :)

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EVERYTHING!

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He's the boss didn't you know?

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Well, obviously if they pissed him off with something like this, he'd then show up, and start beating them with sticks while telling them to "Respect [his] authoritah!"

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Considering the fact that it's probably gonna be used on games that are currently region-locked anyway I'm not sure why anyone actually cares about it. The only difference it's going to make is you won't be able to receive a region-restricted game outside of that specific region. And since you wouldn't have been able to legally activate it in the first place, then no harm done.

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Like many features from steam, I doubt it will do much at all.
I believe a majority of the people here are from the US, so the individuals from others places are more likely to be effected than SG as a whole.

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To be honest, I don't really see any US users on SG.
Most high contributors that I've seen is from out of the US

11 years ago
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This. I've seen maybe 1 American on 10 others. Would be interesting if we had some official stats.

11 years ago
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actually the person who won my most recent giveaway is italian

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Hopefully developers would be smart enough to only block trading of region locked games into regions that won't support it anyway.

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If all players stay on the same side and refuse to buy region restricted games, there will be no region restriction any more and we will still be able to buy those games. Unfortunately, players just didn't go that way, and that's called we get what we pay for.

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like if it would make ppl more abide to buy overpriced game

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like if it would make ppl more abide to buy overpriced game

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All mastered economists here.

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Not sure if serious. But yeah, so economically correct to charge MORE to people in countries where they have LESS money.

Maybe you will, just like folks at steam and publishers, be very much surprised that not all people in Europe for example can afford to pay the same price, that is usually higher than in US, where people flat out get paid MORE money than most of Europeans.

But sure, you all keep telling yourself these price differences are here for our benefit.

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only EA would use this new system... and since when did we care about EA?

edit: it only affects developers who choose to use the system that valve is putting in place, and most dev's support the gifting of their games

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ea would use origin ;)

11 years ago
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2K will use it. Bethesda will use it. All japanese publishers will use it.

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rather than say that, back it with proof... ea has done it already by increasing the prices of their games in india to stop people buying it cheap that way

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2K wanted to make RU/CIS version of Borderlands 2 exclusive for the region. Not just in inability purchase and to run it outside of the region (as they usually do with all their games), they wanted to make its multiplayer compatible only with the same version, i.e. you wouldn't be able to play with anybody ourside of RU/CIS. They actually did it, because RU version os that limited, it just has ROW version included t o counteract the effect.

Bethesda releases Eastern European (not just Russia and CIS countries, I think it includes Czech, Poland and Hungary as well) version of all their games. And it's not just different SubID like with all other publishers, it's completely different AppID. Which means different Community hub, different achievements page, and different game statistics.

Japanese publishers don't allow their games to be sold in Japan through Steam (at least that's what I've been told, could have been changed since then). Also, for instance, RU version of Football Manager 2013 had different AppID, which precludes people from getting trade cards from that version of the game.

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Back to pirating games then, why would i spend 40$ on achievments or 3-5 cards ?

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Maybe to play the game?

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Nobody does that anymore.

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I can play it for free.

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Okay, good for you.

11 years ago
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Exactly this. Happy to give publishers money, but if they're going to apply regional pricing then they will get zero instead of the lowest regional price.

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lel

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In that reddit thread: Go on steam, implement it. Watch me stop throwing money to your screen.

well, I'm thinking that this will only affects AAA games. So screw them for not wanting my money. Still have faith on indie games that doesn't use steam purchase restriction system except for Payday 2. Fucking shits got their head larger once they had a publlisher.

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It will probably only affect the games that were already region-locked (or future games that would have been) anyway. It will just prevents people from trading/gifting the games outside of an area where they can actually be activated. The only ones affected by this will be the people spoofing their location to activate restricted games they shouldn't have been able to.

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"AllowCrossRegionTradingAndGifting", that seems perfect for censured game versions...

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Yeah, would prevent a censored German version from being sent to an unsuspecting user in another region.

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Why would they do that, they pay the second highest price after australia ;D

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It would be like sending your enemy a bag of cat shit. An elaborate way of saying "FUCK YOU"

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I guess some games will need to have region restricted giveaways, then :(

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Or if all else fails, SG can create a microsite for each region, where the appropriate region locked stuff can be given away. Not sure if it would work at all, but its just an idea.

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Or they could add a setting to everyone's profile that asked them for their location. Then filter their giveaways via that. No need to make a "microsite" as you call it.

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I'm pretty sure theres a lot of ways to do this better than how I imagined it. :)

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Thought that counts :D

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In theory that would work, in actual real life usage it would be a terrible waste of time to create and an absolute failure.

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