https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qL2bABShHw
I just uploaded video for wild lands beta and it got copyright claim from "APM Music AdRev for a 3rd Party On behalf of: Sonoton Music". What is correct option to file a dispute or I should mute the audio.

Edit: Just used remove song beta, thanks for your help guys : )

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Does youtube copyright laws are to harsh

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well was the music something you added, or was it part of the game. If its part of the game, just submit that its fair use and its part of ubisofts product. If its music you added, check to see if sonoton actually owns the right - if they dont, then say its a false claim.

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it was part of game

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then thats what i would submit.. youre simply recording gameplay from a ubisoft game that licensed the song? I dont think theres anything to lose by trying to refute it when you havent added anything to the recording.

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which one should I choose
http://imgur.com/a/n7GlX

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Probably the second to last one, but best wait until someone more knowledgeable confirms.

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APM Music AdRev for a 3rd Party On are a fraudelent company, though.

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if you are using a song by someone else, you can't dispute anything. i don't know if they will allow it even if it's from parts of a game.

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its in game audio, not external added

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Doesn't matter. I'd suggest simply uploading another video with the music muted so that you can avoid all that hassle. Also check if you're allowed to upload gameplay footage in the first place.

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It does matter. Also, APM Music AdRev for a 3rd Party On is a fraudelent company. They don't work on behalf on anyone

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Well, turn off the car radio next time if you intend to upload it to youtube?

Also make sure that Ubisoft actually allows YOU to upload game footage to youtube (you need to have it written, some publishers do allow it, other do not - not sure about ubi but I have doubts). Particularly since it's a beta they may not allow everyone to upload videos but rather just a few selected well known youtubers/product reviewers.

Filing a dispute? If you don't like your youtube account, sure. Go ahead and collect those strikes.

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Is it in game music or you added own ? EDIT : in game apparently, reading above comments.
YT Bots are claiming copyrights even if they don't even own rights sometimes...

What are your current available options ? Your beta licence should cover it unless there is NDA.

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this are the option
http://imgur.com/a/n7GlX

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I would say 5th and 6th options apply here. Try and check if they ask for additionnal proofs in both case.

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Sometimes closed beta are not supposed to be recorded and shared, just saying :|

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If you upload GTA V footage with the car radio on, the same thing would happen due to the licensed music. So you're going to want to mute the car radio next time.

Go in the Enhancements part of the video and trim off the beginning part with the radio music and see if that does anything.

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I think most people mute the music in a game to avoid issues like this. I don't recall seeing a GTA V video that ever had the radio playing in the car simply because of all the licensed music would sure to get a copyright strike. Watching the video I'd take a guess that it's the music playing on the radio during the first part that got the claim.

Also, this may simply be a monetization claim meaning even if you didn't monetize it they will now get revenue for every view and ads will run for your video. In which case I'd not worry too much about filing a dispute.

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I'm not worried about copyright holder monetizing the video, I'm worried about copyright strike on my channel. though my copyright status show "You have 0 copyright strikes. ".

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Well since we can all see the video I'd guess it's either a monetization claim or an anti-monetization claim (this one means no one can monetize it.) Either way I don't think it'll affect your channel much. Many larger Youtubers end up with quite a few of these which in those cases can affect their livelihood. I'd either a) don't sweat it. b) Upload a new video with the radio muted or c) delete the video.

I had a video that ended up getting a similar type of claim which didn't block the video from being viewed just monetized it for the claimee. Since it was just a simple video that didn't really need to stick around anymore anyways I simply removed it.

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I'd just like to take a moment to remind everyone that, regardless of what the best option here is, the fact that people are recommending that you mute in-game audio to avoid copyright claims reveals how ridiculously idiotic the legal powers of copyright holders are. Huge, actually functional companies are acting like patent trolls, and they should know better.

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People can be incredibly ignorant when they have to pass suggestions without having an inkling of knowledge on the subject, but the advice given by others in this case is pretty sound. Although the legal powers of copyright holders are actually valid because the purpose is the protection of content they've created/bought rights to, and if your average youtube joe goes around posting a video freely containing what the company may wish to sell later, they end up losing royalty. It's a dick move to go after the smaller people, but justified to an extent.

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I fail to see how clamping down on gameplay videos is justified in any way. How would they sell that later? What do they lose? And more importantly, they're so dumb they don't even realize that such videos are free advertising...

And claims on the radio music are beyond ridiculous. The music rights owner licensed it for the game, how could it possibly make sense that this license does not apply to gameplay videos? It's just a case of broken laws by paid off lawmakers.

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Sigh.

How would they sell that later? What do they lose?

I believe I answered that when I said that they may be intending to sell the thing to which they own the rights to later, or may already be selling it. What do they lose? Let's take a fictitious situation - suppose A buys a game X with Y music soundtrack which is owned by Z. Z has given rights for Y music to be used in game X. Z separately sells Y music on its website. A records and uploads a gameplay video of X, and the video footage includes Y music. Z has not sold exclusive rights for Y music to anyone, and the maker of X does not have ownership of Y. But Z has. Now imagine that people who would otherwise have to pay Z for downloading Y can instead listen to it in A's gameplay video of X. Z loses all royalty from the people who watch A's video who would've otherwise purchased Y.

This is a very lofty example, but you'd be surprised by how much this happens with respect to copyrighted materials like software used to make projects for commercial purposes without actually purchasing the software and pirating it instead.

claims on the radio music are beyond ridiculous. The music rights owner licensed it for the game, how could it possibly make sense that this license does not apply to gameplay videos

Very easy. Gameplay videos are not a part of the clause between the game maker and the licensing studio. The license is solely for use in-game, and does not extend to any other usage whatsoever. GTA San Andreas was removed and re-added a while ago, and R* removed all the radio music for which license had expired. As the purchaser and footage-recorder of a game, you are free to enjoy everything the game offers, and as long as the maker doesn't forbid it - also record gameplay videos and put them to youtube, but the maker does not provide any guarantees for the radio music since they are not the owners in the first place. Nobody's stopping you from recording and keeping videos on your hard drive, but the moment you upload it to YT, a platform where you can earn money for uploading videos, it's fair game for takedown specially when you do not obtain permission from the license holder to upload a video which contains some music owned by them.

It's just a case of broken laws by paid off lawmakers.

And how much do you know about laws to declare them as broken? Laws can be incredibly harsh, but they're very valid in protecting the rights of a lot of people with regard to inventions, patents, trademarks, licenses, mastheads and so on. The court system is something on the other hand which is debatable, but laws by themselves are very accurate. You see this case as a system of "big companies going after small people", but the reality is that the company can, and is fully justified in, protecting their interests and owned materials. It's hard to be a good business when you've paid a lot of dollars to buy the exclusive rights to some music track and some schmuck uploads it to YT where everyone can watch it for free, therefore turning your license practically worthless.

Like I said, it is a dick-ish move, no doubts about that. But don't confuse legality with rhetoric, which is what your argument is based on.

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Unfortunately it's not the only thing totally ridiculous and idiotic that plagues this planet ;>.

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Firstly, check and read all the terms and conditions given for the Wildlands closed beta - if there is any provision that prohibits or declines permission for recording any footage whatsoever, then you have no option. However, if that is not the case and the T&C does not explicitly forbid the sharing of footage from the game, then it is eligible for submission under fair use - I'm a bit busy and can't check at the minute, but there should be a Fair Use for Review and other nonprofit entertainment purposes in YT rules. At any rate, you should always remember to declare that you do not own any parts of the video, since I've seen this disclaimer actually protecting some youtube videos that are based on copyrighted content.

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Ubisoft isn't claiming copyright, its ingame audio on radio of the video.

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You'll have to do research to find out whether it is licensed music - if Ubisoft has simply obtained it for the purpose of in-game usage and not gotten exclusive rights to it, then the copyright claim is fully justified. The best course of action is to raise a ticket/support anyway citing fair usage, and in the meantime re-upload your video with the radio section muted.

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APM Music AdRev for a 3rd Party On is usually a fraudelent company. Make sure they actually are working on behalf of anybody (usually the answer is NOT), then you can file a fair-use copyright dispute in your videos list manager.

What's more, Ubisoft gave a blanket permission to upload AND monetize their games on Youtube years ago.
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/773564-Ubisoft-policy-on-YouTube-videos [2013]
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/773563-Ubisoft-policy-on-YouTube-videos-Forums [2016]

You are free to monetize your videos via the YouTube partner program and similar programs on other video sharing sites, unless your videos happen to include copyrighted music that is identified in YouTube’s Content ID system or similar technology on any other site.

Unless there is a very specific clause in Beta EULA that overrides that, no content can be copyright claimed (sans licensed music - nobody knows what to do about that, so Youtube doesn't take the risk).

I got a copyright claim by Ubisoft one time (before the blanket permission). They contacted me via Ubisoft Entertainment SA, and not some shady company.

If the copyright claimed track was NOT a licensed track, you HAVE TO file a fair-use dispute. APM Music AdRev for a 3rd Party will not be able to dispute it.

People on Youtube have been asking for ages for a "fraudelent copyright claim" button, but they (Youtube) don't care... so use fair-use instead. Quote the blanket permission, include a link I provided above, and claim fair use.

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Spot on, I did a google search and basically it auto-flags videos based on certain criteria. Gameplay videos are usually protected under fair usage, and OP would be very wise to file that reason for disputing the copyright, since it's not a monetary video in this case

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Indeed. Besides licensed COMMERCIAL music (for example most of open-world games' radio music, basicly anything that was composed NOT with the game in mind, but borrowed into the game because a developer liked the music), everything else is basicly covered under fair use.

What's more, Ubisoft gave a blanket permission to upload AND monetize their games on Youtube years ago.
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/773564-Ubisoft-policy-on-YouTube-videos
Unless there is a very specific clause in Beta EULA that overrides that, no content can be copyright claimed (sans licensed music - nobody knows what to do about that, so Youtube doesn't take the risk).

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OP's problem is based on licensed music only, which is why it's a tricky area. But again, fair usage should save the day, as should Ubi's blanket permission.

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