That sounds like a nice business model, give out games for free but charge if you want to uninstall them.
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Well, Ransomware as a term is associated with locking you out of accessing data, not into retaining access to data, so it'd be more relatable to the broader term of Malware. Even that isn't all that accurate, though. Casually put, Malware can be considered as involving something unwanted forcing itself onto your computer (alternatively, something acting unexpectedly after you install it intentionally) and then resisting attempts to remove it. Since only the less-important second half is true, this isn't fully what'd normally be considered Malware- though I'm sure the users troubled by the matter won't give the distinction much attention. :P
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For some, isn't that locking users out of their own hard drives? In particular, those who have full drives/no space? Why else would you want to uninstall it?
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Restricting potential data storage is not in any way similar to restricting existing data.
Metaphorically, this issue'd be adding bricks to a pool while Ransomware'd be covering the pool with a lid, with Malware being the adding of feces or similar undesirables to the pool; Intuitively, this far better matches Malware (though obviously with far less disagreeability and spread of problems involved). I'm not even vaguely sure of what you were trying to say, so I hope that suitably answers you?
In any case, it most certainly isn't Ransomware according to expectations of definition, though there's no reason the issue can't be compared to Ransomware in a broader sense. Such comparison would be hard to present as anything other than hyperbole, however, since Ransomware is truly vicious in comparison to typical Malware, while the Fallout matter is far milder than any element we're bringing up for comparison. In short, such a labeling comes across as being overly exaggerated.
Given that neither technical details nor degree of severity are well matched, it just seems like the term is an ill-fit for this particular situation.
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I was responding to
Ransomware as a term is associated with locking you out of accessing data
and disagreeing that this didn't fit the definition. On the whole, I guess it doesn't matter one iota to me, since I haven't downloaded it, so I don't care to continue to make the case. :)
I certainly agree with you on
I'm sure the users troubled by the matter won't give the distinction much attention.
and
the Fallout matter is far milder than any element we're bringing up for comparison
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so I don't care to continue to make the case
Hmm. I have absolutely no idea how you're relating Ransomware to this matter, especially in light of the clarifications that I've already offered, since there doesn't seem to be any clear relation between this matter and the scope of the label. Short of exhaustively giving additional metaphors, I'm just not at all sure how to approach this matter, so it isn't as if I could functionally carry on past this point, myself. :P
Well, to reclarify the more general details, unlike other Malware that degrade system performance in some way, damage data, or extract information from a computer, Ransomware specifically refers to Malware which lock the user out of accessing some amount of existing data on the computer. Of course, given that Ransomware is a subcategory of Malware to begin with, Malware would still be an appropriate term even if the label of Ransomware did appropriately describe the situation, so any argument on that point actually ends up being rather fruitless.
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I think it was a tenuous connection in the first place, but one where I could see where the comparison was drawn.
Malware that degrade system performance in some way
I'd say taking (and not relinquishing HDD space) can degrade system performance.
Given your last statement, shall we all (at least you and I) just agree to call it Malware by Bethesda? :D
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but one where I could see where the comparison was drawn.
Well, had the initial comment been one of comparison rather than of firm application, then I wouldn't have had basis for this kind of input. As it was, I thought to highlight underlying terminology in case any confusion existed about that terminology.
I'd say taking (and not relinquishing HDD space) can degrade system performance.
Right, which is why I was arguing that more general Malware considerations were better matched to the impact in question.
Malware by Bethesda
Okay, but now I feel like you're just slamming how buggy their games are. >.>
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Not being able to delete a game is pretty buggy (not the worst possible outcome, but IMO worse than most).
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I just figure that they went overboard in trying to fix the previous Fallout 76 bug, where the game would uninstall itself on its own.
I mean, leave it to Bethesda to fight bugs with more bugs, right?
Really, though, if they don't improve Fallout 76's mod support, it's hard to see how the game'll manage. I mean, without Bethesda's dedicated team of bug-fixing unpaid programmersfan modders, the game'll require several years of post-release patching before it becomes stable enough to play. 🙄
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They are forcing you to pay to release disk space. That was my first thought and I linked it to pay a ransom.
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Right. Nothing out of place with making a general comparison, I was just pointing out that Ransomware as a term refers to something a bit different (and far more negative). I was then pointing out that we could still probably reasonably consider it as a Malware regardless, since it does have a clear similarity to broader category Malwares.
In short, the situation is clearly negative, and it may feel like your hard drive space is being held for ransom, but it's nevertheless still a bit over-the-top to refer to it as Ransomware without any sort of further clarification also being offered.
Put another way, don't go ruining the impact of Bethesda's future criminal activities by overhyping their current mistakes, yea?
I mean, oops. Did that need a spoiler alert? ..ah well, it's not like we don't all already expect it of them by this point, right.
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What a discussion... You are obviously right, it's not ransomware. It's just a bug in the client. Nothing prevents you from accessing or deleting the game files. For someone like me who has seen ransomware in action (in our company), this comparison is just silly. But I guess it was more meant as a joke anyway. At least I hope so. ;)
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They alredy did it with bethesda creation club.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-Mh0xFRF8
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Good thing they aren't making any games I'm interested in and ruining their reputation with lawsuits and this crap to ensure I'm not even tempted to test them.
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Still better than Pools of Radiance Ruins of Myth Drannor which had a bug that could take your entire OS with it if you were to uninstall unless you had the external uninstaller they HAD to provide.
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Funny thing is, the game had some great potential. I had the game way back when. Was a good game riddled with bugs that were made worse and worse when each patch was released.
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but was it as good as the first pools of radiance?
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Not sure. I didn't have a computer to play the first.
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Given that the original Pools of Radiance didn't jeopardize your PC (and may not have even required installation), I'm going to go ahead and say that the original is clearly superior. ;)
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Damn straight! I mean, I didn't get to play it until the early '90s, but I vividly recall my glee at doing battle with dragons and cleaving through Kobolds.
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I'm going to go ahead and say that the original is clearly superior
Aiming to be superior to the 2001 Pool of Radiance seems like a rather unambitious goal, though. :P
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2001? Don't you mean 1988?
That game was the bomb back in the early '90s. I don't think I could play it again now, but I loved it back then.
Edit: I misunderstood what you meant. Yeah, being better than the 2001 Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Bugs Galore is kind of a low bar.
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1988 was the great one. 2001 was the garbage version the only thing on common was the name
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Ah, I misunderstood what Sooth meant. Got it now. :)
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It certainly wasn't my intent to criticize the gold box games. :P
Other than Iron & Blood (which I believe we've all come to the agreement on, was a game that never actually happened), I personally consider the 2001 PoR game (which was a mess in every possible regard, beyond its obvious bugginess) to be the worst D&D game by far, easily exceeding other heavily criticized offerings such as Descent to Undermountain and Daggerdale.
That subjective point aside, it was the first deeply unqualified game to release with the D&D label after Baldur's Gate shot the brand into public awareness, so from that consideration it definitely holds as being the most visible blight upon the franchise to date. From that vantage point, any comparison made against 2001's PoR seems like it'd be done for the sake of being a deliberate insult toward the game being compared. :P
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From that vantage point, any comparison made against 2001's PoR seems like it'd be done for the sake of being a deliberate insult toward the game being compared. :P
Hahaha. I can't argue with that. :)
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ya it would delete C drive i think. since that was where it was installed.
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I find it quite hilarious - half of the whole Fallout 76 controversy was caused by the Bethesda launcher. The one they forced us to use over Steam for "our convenience" :D
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Tried out Bethesda launcher last year with Quake Champions closed beta,had to drop the game because the client was barren of the most basic features and ran abysmally. I almost pity the fallout fanbois who will overpay on day 1 to play shiny mediocrity[at best]wrapped in barbed wire of a client.
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Yeah, the hardcore fans who will buy it just because it's another addition to the Fallout series are in for a huge disappointment, from what I can tell. I'm guite glad it's turning out to be failure to be honest, hopefully Bethesda won't have the urge to try this again with their other franchises!
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Clearly you don't actually want to uninstall the beta, you want to buy the full game instead. You don't know what you really want. Trust the Bethesda launcher, it knows you better than you know yourself.
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But but... the Bethesda launcher unistalled the game on its own before! :D
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I watched the Sid Alpha video about it earlier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeSiu_MLi80
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I believe what he's saying is correct on why it's not uninstalling. I am wondering in two days when the launch happens if it might change and people will be able to uninstall it then.
Bethesda has created quite a mess for themselves.
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Bethesda has created quite a mess
Bethesda? Creating a mess? This news, it is shocking.
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In 2015, we decided to try something very new, and very scary for us – take one of our worlds and make it online only.
This must have been a revolutionary idea.
One year after Elder Scrolls Online has been released.
Which has been in development, with the help of Bethesda's people, since 2007.
And after they acquired the Fallout IP from Interplay in a lawsuit that eventually prohibited Interplay of finishing and releasing Fallout Online.
Which was eventually made by fans and released as a free MMO called FOnline that is still active today.
Still, yes, an online-only game about one of their two worlds is a brand new idea. Too bad both both worlds have one for years. Still, brand new.
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Bethesda much like Blizzard were GOOD companies. Then they sold out and became heartless corporations like most of the rest.
RIP.
I love fallout but I will not buy fall out 4, rage 2 or fallout 76 etc.
Same for Blizzard... SC2 was the last game I'll ever buy from them.
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I don't know what would qualify good with Bethesda, their games are buggy messes since forever (at least Oblivion/FO3) and considering they underpaid Obvision because not reaching a necessarily high Metacritic score (Fallout NV) then took a nosedive even compared to FO3 with a gutted out roleplaying system with FO4, pushed paid mods... their only good things is to make good frameworks for open world games that need fans to work properly, and that they publish the games of developers who can actually make good games on their own. (Arkane, Machine Games)
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Bethesda has always been like this, ever since they got their first hit by shamelessly copying Ultima Underworld. People are just more cynical and more prone to listen to various news sources nowadays, which in turn became as sensationalist as late 19th century tabloids and would run anything with a hint of scandal.
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Unless the Bethesda Launcher uses a similar method as the Windows Store packages, I fail to see the real problem. Get an external uninstaller to remove it or just delete the game files and the registry entries. Not exactly space science. People cannot be that computer illiterate.
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You clearly overestimate the computer literacy of gamers :P
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I don't think you should need any special programs just to unistal a game from your computer, though. We are expecting less and less from games these days out of fear of being called "entitled", but surely we can at least expect it to install and uninstall properly and without issues ;)
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I don't want to mess with deleting registry values myself if I don't have to. I certainly wouldn't recommend that the average PC user do that.
And as M3rc said, you'd be surprised how computer illiterate a lot of people are. I once assisted a person who thought that Office was completely gone from his computer because he accidentally deleted the icon off his desktop. This person worked in the IT department as the secretary for the systems and network administrators.
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I was certainly shocked. He was in a complete panic, too, and I kept trying to reassure him that Office wasn't actually gone, but he kept screaming, "Of course it's gone! Look, it's not there anymore! It's all gone!"
I also have an in-law who owns and regularly uses two laptops (in addition to an iPad, iPhone, and Android phone, often all at the same time) and still to this day doesn't know how to Copy and Paste.
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:clucks tongue: Even if it was gone, it's not like it's a unicorn; It's a mass-marketed computer product, you can find it again. :P
Let's see.. paranoia and excessive excitability.. Hey, was the secretary doing excessive amounts of both marijuana and energy drinks, perchance?
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Hahaha, I know! It's not like it can't be installed again, the same way it was originally.
I don't think he was doing either marijuana or energy drinks, I think he was just uncomfortable with technology and prone to worry and panic when something went wrong. Wouldn't have been my first choice for working in an IT department, certainly. /shrug
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I think he was just uncomfortable with technology and prone to worry and panic when something went wrong. Wouldn't have been my first choice for working in an IT department, certainly.
:laugh: Now I'm just imagining them doing tech support.
"Have you turned it on and off again? BECAUSE YOU SHOULDN'T PUSH THE BUTTON IF IT'S RED. THE RED BUTTON WILL DESTROY US ALL. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH~!"
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Just testing their DRM, expect it to work "better" for the full release :P
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hahahahah a game you can't uninstall cause you lost "online" function. hahahaha this is a good reason why "always online" is a bad thing.
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Wow... Bethesda keeps hitting a new low. And I know you can manually delete the game folder but still, it's asinine you can't uninstall a freacking demo.
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Bethesda. You promised us that war never changes. Well, it did change. It became a laggy and boring experience. Huge, empty sandbox without any meaningful content. This isn't the Fallout we want.
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The Fallout 76 beta period has ended and PC players have encountered some issues when trying to remove the game.
Whether they received a code from a friend or bought a copy for themselves, some PC players are reporting that they are unable to uninstall Fallout 76 from their PCs. Fans on Reddit and the Bethesda forums have been complaining about this, so it doesn’t seem to be an isolated issue.
Upon trying to uninstall it, the Bethesda.net Launcher pops up and prompts you to log in. Once logged in and getting an “online” status, players then attempted to uninstall the game but were instead met with a message that says “You do not have access to this game”.
It also asks players to make sure they are “signed in with the Bethesda.net account associated with the purchase of this game”, however, logging in and out of your account doesn’t seem to fix anything.
It’s unclear whether players who bought Fallout 76 will be able to delete it once the game goes live on November 14. The general consensus is between players is that due to the servers not being live, people are unable to log on to delete the content, so once all the servers are up for the launch you should be able to do so.
If you’re feeling confident, you could try deleting the Bethesda.net Launcher and Fallout 76 files from the program files, but we don’t recommend fiddling around with these sorts of things if you don’t know what you’re doing.
For fans who are planning on playing Fallout 76 at launch, the beta file will be updated with the full game. If you have managed to uninstall it, then it’ll be a much larger download file. Any progress you made in the beta will be automatically carried over to the full version at launch, so you won’t need to create a new character unless you want to.
Whether you played the beta or saved yourself for launch, we’ve created a list of some tips and tricks to get you started in Fallout 76.
Fallout 76 releases on November 14 for PC, Xbox One and PS4.
https://www.vg247.com/2018/11/12/fallout-76-beta-cant-uninstall/
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