I don't know who he is. Killing people is bad in general.
I just read about him and I don't feel bad about it at all. It is probably a net positive.
I won't be surprised if it was done to distract people and gain sympathy.
Blacklists and ban is welcome as it's probably a net positive for SG if I am not here!
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Um wow what a horrible thing to say, murder is never the answer, this is the result of hatred dont you get that? Nothing about this is justified,
Gain sympathy for what?! He had a wife and 2 kids man get a grip!
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He spent his life spreading hate and lies as a rightoid grifter. Touch some grass and browse something other than 4chan if you think he was anything but human scum.
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It was worth it as per his own words.
"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/
Sympathy for his party so that they can say "Look, we are right so they are attacking us". That's how politics usually work. Either it's sympathy, or he's going against someone who he worked with him or he has impacted someone greatly in the wrong
Again from his own words: "I can't stand the word empathy, actually," "I think empathy is a made-up, new-age term that does a lot of damage."
If you stand by him, you should not be showing empathy and be happy about your god given rights.
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This marks a dark day in our nation. When any man, but particularly a good man who has courageously engaged those who do not have his faith or his world view, in friendly (I would say loving) debate to exchange ideas, is assassinated, it is tragic. 😥 It is tragic for the wife and young children he leaves behind. 😥 It is tragic for our nation that an environment that leads to this violence has been (and it has been) created. 😥 It is tragic that myriads are not bothered by this assassination and that many actually believe it is justified. 😥 It is tragic in what it forebodes for the future of our nation. 😥
I think any fair minded person whether they agree with his ideas or hate them, would admit that he lived true to his beliefs and that he died for those beliefs. As a Christian, I proclaim that he is a true martyr. While I echo your prayer, I have no doubt that he is in Paradise.
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I agree completely, martyred for the faith, a particular Bible passage i heard brought some comfort Psalm 116:15
"Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints."
God bless you my friend, keep the faith <3
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I thought Steamgifts forums banned political topics or does that only apply to topics that trigger braindead alt right gamer chuds? Can't discuss Ukraine or Palestine or Human Rights here,but can cry about worthless right wing grifter #1597 from a nation that produces them en masse.
Rot in hell Charlie Piss,debate god about your place in afterline. "Prove Me Wrong Libtard Jesus!"
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Calling people braindead when your comments, and left is always being "civil and intelligent".
Don't both replying, i don't care for your answer.
In my case however i am more outraged by what happened to that one girl that got attacked, and more and more women each day by certain people (yet all white males get blamed) which we can't mention but welcomed by left.
No doesn't make me political right (we should stop with this box framing), racist etc, just concerned and fed up.
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Desn't make me political right, racist etc
You are saying it like being political right is bad. This is how politics should be - when the people in power cant run the country and are actively hurting their own citizens, you choose someone else to be in power. What is horrible is the fact that liberals and left wing has made being right wing something bad. You are not instantly racist or biggot if you are right wing.
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Exactly. it's how people are already being portrayed these days and you almost feel the need to excuse yourself or feel ashamed, if you are not left you must be right and thus a racist, fascist, nazi.
A large group is i think centered (like me) and want a better country but our own governments push it too far to the left/right.
Not just America with 2 options, but my country with too many options too (with left and right excluding eachother out), so either isn't ideal. And if they themselves fight. polarize, yet they find it strange it grows more and more in society.
The political system needs to change.
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but our own governments push it too far to the left/right.
Exactly. I am center as well and what I care are policies, but for now the governments either get extreme left or right - both being equally horrible. And the more far on either spectrum you go, the more extreme is the answer from other side. So the more left will push for their policies, the more actual nazis and racists will gain voice in the public. Its like a pendulum at this point... Totally agreed that system needs to change - its full on broken right now.
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Class act all the way. Hope you get banned permantently.
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I'm very sorry for this guy and his family, but this isn't the place for this conversation. This is a video game forum, man. You do what you gotta do, but in my opinion you should close this thread before you get a suspension or ban. Just wanted to give you a heads-up.
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Not just gaming, we have off topics, but political? It probably gets closed but he doesnt get suspended.
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/slF7V/someone-just-tried-to-assassinate-trump
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVc9l6pjxtI <--- He is the one that said a few deaths are worth it to keep the 2nd amendment.
What happened isn't right and this should've never been the solution, but god damn he was nothing but a clown influencer spreading a trash cult agenda that's outdated, expired, unwanted and unneeded. He's done nothing to educate people, just to keep them stupid and in the past. Guy was 31 acting like a 90 year old man afraid of change for the better. Weak and pathetic mentality.
Also, don't see you sad over the two school shootings that happened today. 1 idolized influencer got you thinking of a God who couldn't give a damn about the people suffering in this world. Cute but flawed. You should baptize yourself in int potions. Maybe it helps you realize what a clown this guy was.
I also don't consider this anything surprising. He made a living by making people mad on purpose and taunted them just to be toxic and encouraged people to do the same. The same way a free rock climber eventually falls and rips, this was a natural outcome. He was crazy enough to die for promoting his cult, and he found his match, crazy enough to kill him.
I am amazed how anyone could ever promote stupidity, regression, and things like going back to the old ways like women being slaves without voting rights sitting at home getting the kids and dinner ready by x time to not get punched in the face by the ever so loving husband who needs to teach her a lesson, unable to decide on their own bodies regarding things like abortion, to teen labor, crucifying others for not understanding them simply for wanting to live their life free of you, bringing religion back into schools, not wanting to tax churches, and the return of slavery slowly and slowly, in todays world.
Because I know you'll find some dumb people out there who will follow anything that's popular just because it is, without understanding an ounce of it. Like honestly, what is this brainrot mentality that's going around? You all can't blame it on corona eating your brains cause you likely never had one apparently.
Anyways, rant over, I didn't like the guy obviously I thought he was a clown, I'm amazed it's possible to find people who'd think otherwise. Only post from me regarding this.(edit: I lied I replied to one comment, feel free to shit talk me in the comments though I wont reply to them as to not prolong this thread further.)
PS: Also showing empathy to a guy who clearly stated he doesn't stand the word and thinks its a made up word and thinks it causes damage, is contradictory to what he would've wanted, so why would you contradict him now after kissing his ass. No empathy was his way to go, he wouldn't have shown you any.
Instead if you really want to show empathy, do it for the good people that suffer and have no way out.
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Probably should just close the topic, since the new rule is - no contreversial topics.
But wow - just reading comments on this is wild. Liberals going all out and saying he deserved it, calling him literal nazi and whatnot. Liberals have become literal terrorists - you either are with them or they wish death upon you. What wild times. No surprise Trump won and I expect even more right wing victories. I voted for progressives last election - not anymore.
RIP Charlie Kirk. No matter what opinions he had.
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I agree on this one point that demonizing the other side is a huge problem in many countries now. Both sides of any political ideological fault line do that, and unfortunately you are doing that too, at least in that moment when you call liberals terrorists. Everybody wants their society to function well and want peace and prosperity, and it's always the other side that are at fault, and we overreact and then they overreact and so on.
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Yes, unfortunately the pendulum effect is quite real here. Why did I resort to comparing them with terrorists? Because the far left has gone so far you cant even have your own opinions if they differ from theirs. You are instantly the worst person in the world if you dare to quesiton their policies and opinions. Reaction is naturally quite equal.
I would like to be central, but even my opinions slowly are shifting more with the right because quite obviously liberal governments at power right now have gone extreme. But that is beyond this situation.
With this I just wanted to show that liberals and left wing are no better then far right
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Sorry, but nobody called him a Nazi here? You mentioned th word Nazi twice, and another person who is unhappy with this mentioned it once. Did you mean in general and not just SG?
I do think many people deserve to die, regardless of their political beliefs. Like all the rapists, the rice people who abuse the crap out of normal people.
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but nobody called him a Nazi here?
Not here thankfully. I meant in comments in general. This morning on facebook and linkedin has been wild... and nazi was thrown around without any worries. And what surprises me the most - people do that under their real names.
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Ah, that sucks. Hate has really gone up in the world these days. Mostly fueled by politicians. Everybody wants to rule no matter the cost.
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I didn't wish for his death, but I would never miss him or think of what he did as beneficial to the people. I see the potential of the good that can happen now and how people can recover from the damage he's caused.
However, this wish for x death could be said about any person on any side of politics. I don't know why you want to pretend the conservative side isn't 10x worse regarding this. The president himself suggested he imprisons his opponent and later removed her bodyguard security while he spends 100x more of taxpayers money on golfing alone, he was supporting of a third term possibility, said he'd release certain files then redacted his name from all of them and now refuses to release them, called people all kinds of things like this for years like this while in the highest position of power in the USA, and he is the side you'd support? Keep in mind all the lies he told over the years.
To say liberals are terrorists is interesting, because conservatives have been much worse than this so what does that make them? Certified generational terrorists? (this actually starts to sound true when you see those cringe tiktok videos of parents who force their spawn to say shit against trans people just to relate to their cult, when obviously the kid didn't even get his final teeth yet so they're not able to make such hateful decisions but thanks to bad parent brainwashing we got that).
Be honest with yourself, you never voted progressive, you're not fooling anyone here.
People like you called Bernie Sanders a communist, that alone should make you understand where conservatives sit on the intelligence spectrum and why they need extra lessons in school, not religion, and why the wives should work and go to school not to church, since they've been sitting so much at home they lost their independent thinking, they just say yes. Along with the husbands who should sign up for a brain install surgery cause they didn't get one when spawned into this world.
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I don't know why you want to pretend the conservative side isn't 10x worse regarding this
Well I did say that far left are no better then far right. You are just proving my point. I never said one side is better then the other - I just said that it is no surprise far right and Trump won with the state left is in. His policies and presidency is more like a circus. But Biden or HArris as president would have been as catastrophic. Dont assume I support the other side, just because I disagree with you.
Be honest with yourself, you never voted progressive, you're not fooling anyone here.
I did. Why would you think I didnt? I am all for equal rights, not discirminating people. This is again why I find liberals annoying - the moment I say something opposing your view, I am instantly labeled something evil and you assume I am against equality and hate Bernie Sanders. I fucking supported him and find fascinating he didnt win.
But hey, here we are again. You assume all that about me just because I dont side with all your extreme idologies.
when you see those cringe tiktok videos of parents who force their spawn to say shit against trans people
same goes for the other side who force their children to be trans. So again - neither side are saints.
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this incident really unveiled the rot of so many people who seemed or at least pretended to be adequate before. celebrating and cheering on a man's murder for having a different opinion? he could have the most atrocious world views, all he did was literally engage in debates with people who disagreed, not forcing these views on anyone
as for those who are genuinely happy about this, do you guys realize who else killed people of different views? I'll leave it up to your investigation lmao
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So anyway.......Borderlands 4 is out today. Anyone thinking of getting it? What class are you gonna play as?
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disappointed there aren't any reviews yet. I look forward to getting it 80% off in a few years.
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From what I can see, (I assume) they're using the same engine but it has been visually upgraded and I've read some interviews where the devs are aware of the reputation of cringry meme humor of previous games and they're stepping away from that, so that's good
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SteamGifts is the last place I ever expected to read news like this. I didn’t know him well, but my deepest condolences go out to his wife and children. No family deserves to go through something like this, regardless of political or ideological beliefs.
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I really don't want to spur on any more toxicity ITT, and I've tried to hold off commenting, but I'll just say this:
I won't justify violence, because otherwise I am no better than the people who justify violence on a daily basis (whoever they may be, I'll let you decide, I think you already know the answer).
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Closing this thread because the discussion is generating a lot of hostility about political viewpoints and I don't see it progressing well.
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Charlie Kirk was assassinated at 31 during a rally at a Utah University.
Moments before, he was throwing out shirts and hats to the crowd, and was talking about gang violence before being shot in the neck from a roof 200 yards away, 2 suspects were apprehended and released, the real shooter is currently still at large,
He leaves behind a wife and his 2 children ages 1 and 3 please keep him and his family in your prayers. Lord receive Charlie into your kingdom
IMPORTANT EDIT: 1 day before it happened someone on X going by @NajraGalvz said the following: "Charlie kirk is coming to my college tomorrow i rlly hope someone evaporates him literally." He then went on to say "Let's just say something big will happen tomorrow."
The shooter was spotted on the roof before the event started
The man behind Charlie was tapping his hat, its rumored he was signaling the shooter.
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