Since ST has nothing at all to do with SG, why is it still advertised here as an integral part of this site? Or are new people just supposed to guess which buttons are related to this site and which are not? If you have it between Giveaways and Discussions it really is a part of this site. At least label it with a red warning that you will get scammed and there is absolutely no moderation and it's your own fault for trusting scam links on a trusted site.

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I actually do agree on this, if we are not allowed to talk about it and what not, why not just remove the button, now it can look to people as if the mods are connected or whatever and that brings confusion.

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I suppose it's still there just to point out that trades are not allowed in the discussions, as in "if you wanna trade go over there".

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It might work the other way too, people see Trades button, they think trades are welcome everywhere on site.

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True, after all it seems most people never bother to read the FAQ anyway.
The trades button should be moved into a submenu and the FAQ button should replace it and be the largest one.

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+1

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+a billion!

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+1

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The fact that the Trades button is there equally between giveaways and discussions suggests that it is a section of this website, like giveaways and discussions are. Really bad placement there.

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That's actually a pretty good suggestion, I'm not sure why the button is still there at all.

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Actually agree, if every topic about it gets bashed and apparantly CG doesn't want anything to do with it, get it over with and remove the tab.

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Create a listing for Disney Winnie the Pooh and ask for Democracy 3. Then cg (Chinese government) will block it.

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I'll just need to trade my Mei skins fast before I do that.

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+1, I see no reason why the trades site should be linked here.

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to find trades... If someone doesn't want to gift the game...

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I'm pretty sure steamtrades is completely abandoned by CG and support. You are not allowed to talk about trading here and SG support won't help with issues there, so why have it linked here? It just causes confusion and causes people to try and get support for it here.

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i too see no reason to have steamtrades as a site at all really

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No poll? I agree to remove the trades button. In fact I wouldn't even mind if cg takes the trades site off completely.

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What do we need a poll for? Are there any other viable options here?

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Afaik if enough people vote it would be visible on the main site as community vote.

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Are you trolling right now, or what? How is it has nothing to do with SG? It's cg's site.
Also, you can trust the reputation of people if you want or not. In the end of the day it's your fault if you didn't check the person you are trading with.

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Are you trolling right now or what? Of course it's cg's site but if you had ever read this forum you would know that any questions about it are answered by it being completely unrelated to SG, so it's related to cg but not SG.

You can trust the Russian bot farms if you want, I won't. What exactly are you supposed to check about them?

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Well, you can check if a person is banned on SteamRep and other sites. Also bold of you to assume there are mostly Russian bot farms. Big traders with high rep happen to be people, who also are high lvl here.

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Back to the "but it's good for the couple old users with 1000+rep so it must be good for everyone" fallacy.

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sure. Maybe it's a bad idea. But in the end of the day, it's for cg to judge if site is good or not, if it keeps getting traffic.

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Is there a post somewhere by cg (not by a mod) saying that ST has nothing to with SG ? Not a troll, just genuinely asking.

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First find a way to search for such a post. But it has been made quite clear by the support staff here that they are completely separate sites and cg has never corrected that if it's wrong.

https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/yWGlf/steamtrades is the closest I'll bother to find.

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That's my point, I haven't seen anything in that post, or in what cg has said previously, to say that ST and SG are unrelated. The staff is not cg, and, ultimately, if you want someone to delete the trade button in this site, then it's cg that should do it, and who would decide to do it.

Sure, he has never corrected the staff, but he has also never stopped ST from existing. And cg's post actually says that ST "grow[s] as a leader in Steam user reputation", so cg is possibly affectively attached to steamtrades

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Well obviously bugs and suggestions are only aimed towards cg who can actually fix/improve things here and not mods can't do anything.

separation of trades to SteamTrades.com, and improving on the feedback system

Maybe it was some kind of leader 3 years ago before the feedback system was "improved" to be completely useless. It's like asking 4chan to decide things for you.

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How exactly is SteamTrades a scam site...?

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How exactly is a trading site where you can just buy -reps away not a scam site?

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True. That is a problem. Active mods to remove -reps from attacks would be nice. But, the site itself isn't a scam.

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The site is a sham(bles) due to there being no mods, and you can get scammed on the site; so, sure it's legitimate site (it exists), but to say there aren't scams going on within the site is just plain naivety.

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But I didn't say that...? I said that the site itself wasn't a scam. I never said that there are no scams going on within the site. Stop putting words in my mouth.

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And neither did I.

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I mean if it's so useful to the people that use it I'm sure they could put in the effort to go directly to ST rather than click a link on SG.

Something tells me that it wouldn't survive long in that case.

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I had 60+ trades in four years. Not much I know, but never had any bad experience with traders there... Golden rule to not trade with somebody, who has many -reps...
But why is it bothering you so much OP? Did somebody scam some cheap game out from you?

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You do realize that any -rep can be just voted away by the bots so everyone is free to scam as long as they pay some bot farmer to vote for them?

How does it bother me "so much" exactly? Why does it not bother you that the feedback system is a joke run by bots? Did you plan to scam someone?

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if it wouldnt bother you, you would not open a discussion, or you would put in a voting to see, how many would stand behind you, and how many would say this is just some cry for attention?

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And you're some authority or judge on why I would open discussions and make polls for them or not now? There is literally nothing to vote on since it's all facts, not opinions. Why are you posting here then, are you so desperate that you cry for my attention?

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no i am not the judge, its just interesting how you are writing about facts, but not providing any... ;) plus the poll is always good to count the crowds opinions...

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So could you maybe stop making up reasons for me when you clearly don't have any idea. What facts are unclear to you since nobody else seems to be lacking them? You are also free to make a poll if you want one.

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any facts, regarding this topics... something which would prove, that the whole ST is corrupt like the Senate of the Republic in Star Wars :D or that its full of russian bots... cause without any given facts this whole topic is just some fairy tail ;)

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You claimed to have been using the site for 4 years and now you suddenly claim to have no idea about it at all?

Let's 101:
Any -rep gets voted on.
Any scammer can pay a farmer to use couple hundred bots to vote down all -reps they get.
Any scammer can also pay to keep the revenge -reps they give you.

All of these are simple facts. Just blindly believing that nobody will ever abuse this system that's so very trivial to abuse for commercial gain is beyond foolish, on par with trusting every Nigerian prince that emails you.

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okay, i see... lets see...
I know every negative rep gets voted on. this is a fact, anybody can see...
But where can i check the trustworthiness of your second and 3rd fact? Or I should believe it just because your contributor level is 10.0 with 10k+ gifts? cause so far you are giving me the same amount of facts as any Nigerian prince ;)

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How simple do I need to make it? Anyone with a Steam account can have a ST account so a bot farmer with 10k Steam accounts can register 10k ST accounts to scam and/or scam vote with them with no limits of any kind. What exactly don't you get about this? I mean you seem to be the only one who is actually confused about such simple things.

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No no no, there seems to be a misunderstanding ;) I get your point... my problem is that every second reply of yours is containing FACTS... you know FACTS usually has some background. some valid numbers. I could say russian bots made sure to that Trump was elected as president, or russian bots down voted on TLJ, but without providing any source these are not facts...

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I never claimed some number of bots to be a fact, only the fact that there is absolutely nothing preventing them in any numbers.

Trump's election is more like the old ST system where feedback was actually moderated by humans. The current one would be asking the Internet to vote for president while having absolutely no control over who can vote or how many times and the president would have been moot.

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When was it ...
Not using SteamTrade.
However, according to the SteamTrade guidelines ...

SteamTrades Guideline
Trades
Trade feedback should only be used to describe your personal trading experience with a user. It should not be used (i) to post negative comments when you disagree with someone's offer, (ii) for revenge or retaliation when someone leaves you negative feedback, or (iii) for unrelated comments or trading experiences not directly involving you.

There was a SteamGifts user who wrote a certain SteamTrade user to vote "bad".
I have pointed out that I was able to confirm that it violated the SteamTrade terms.

We may need an implementation to force the SteamGifts FAQ to be read.
Q.SteamTrade
A.Content. It is a brother/sister site.
However, it is a completely different service depending on the terms.
Posting all Comment related to SteamTrade on SteamGifts is punishable.

May have to write such a thing.

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+1, this way it will be clear(er) to everybody that the two sites are unrelated, and problems with one should not pop up in the other. :)

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I don't understand some people.

You complain about being scammed on steam trades and they say that site has nothing to do with this one.

You tell them to remove links to it from the UI and suddenly its a related site so we shouldn't do it.

Listen up geniuses. You can't have it both ways.

We either related and all valid criticism should be welcome on this site, or we aren't and this site should distance itself from steam scams.

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Wonder why this exists...

  1. Your SteamTrades.com Account. You are fully responsible for all activities that occur under your account and any other actions taken in connection with your account. You must immediately notify SteamTrades of any unauthorized uses of your account or any other breaches of security. SteamTrades will not be liable for any acts or omissions by You, including any damages of any kind incurred as a result of such acts or omissions.

ToS

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Here's my question: what is the point of a ToS without anyone to enforce it?

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is worst than the wild west indeed

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it should be removed, along with the giveaways button. 💃

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i just drop all my steam keys here https://screamintothevoid.com/

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^

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For me, the trades button is irrelevant as I don't use ST so removal is fine and that will mean a few less threads about people venting and asking moderators from SG to moderate ST and people moaning about -rep. I also agree about the big fat red label saying that ST is unmoderated and any use is completely at your own risk. I would move it to the right of the help button if I still had to have it on the screen as part of the page.

Its also odd that on the steamtrades page, there is no link or buttons linking to the Steamgifts giveaway section.

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Maybe CG is only paying for one site with his host and so needs to link them as a formality to avoid being charged for a second site?

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I agree that the link to SteamTrades should be removed.

I also think there is absolutely zero chance whatsoever that cg will remove the link.

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I also think there is absolutely zero chance whatsoever that cg will remove the link.

Well, I was wrong!

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Yea gonna agree that it would be a good idea to get rid of the link

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I think it would be more fitting to remove the button.
However, if cg wants SG to be linked to a site with no moderation and no registration restrictions (with all the opportunities for potential and unchecked abuse) that is his choice.

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OK let me ask you this, how would you moderate steamtrades?

You claim to want other to help you, what do you want them to do? ban people? under what grounds? what type of proof would you require?

How many support tickets do you think steamtrades would generate per day? As it stands steamgifts support struggles to keep up with ticket volume.

Steamtrades was designed to be self policing, if someone is scamming give them - rep and warn other people so they won't be also scammed. If someone is "farming rep" and you see that, also make a message on their profile letting others know, Then read people's profiles before trading with them, it's the best metric on if you can trust someone.

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