Worth the buy?
There is nothing bad about it, pure genius 10/10 - IGN
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Was the best game...until patch 1.10d when they changed the way mechanics of Blood Golems and Iron Maiden worked killing off the best class of any game ever - The Zookeeper Necro!
Can you tell I am still bitter? lol
I love the Diablo series, it is hands down one of my top game series ever made. I would say that if you are going to get Diablo 3, you must get Reaper of Souls with it. The base game of Diablo 3 is a dead man's land. It's all about Greater Rift Leaderboards (D3's version of Ladders for you D2 players) and about Seasonal characters.
If you are an RTS fan Starcraft is a great series, even though I never got into it I have many friends who still play it religiously.
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I enjoyed Diablo III but like you say it did not reach Diablo II. I remember playing it for hours and hours with my brother always searching for the green and golden loot. I still remember how I hated Duriel for his ice attacks which were slowing me down so much....
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They are decent-ish games. The same Blizzard "click fast to win" style gameplay they have since WarCraft 1, but if you enjoy it, they are definitely worth it. D3 may be dumb as a brick as always, but the loot and RNG system is still the best of any looter/dungeon crawler up to date.
If you can keep yourself constantly online without even a single packet drop, that is, since their DRM requires constant connection even for offline play.
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Steam doesn't need constant online presence, it needs one-time online activation, then you can play single-player games without any sort of internet connection whatsoever. In the new Blizzard games if your connection to the internet is cut even for a millisecond, the game throws you out to the main menu and won't let you back in to play. Even if you never want to play anything more than the SP campaign.
Also: if you enjoyed WC3, then yes, get SC2. The story is still good. Although I despise Blizzard's gameplay mechanics since they are nothing but APM, their stories and lore-building has always been one of the best among the Western developers.
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Battle.net does need a pretty consistent connection, but it's not quite as dire as talgaby is making it out to be. As someone on a less-than-great connection, Diablo 3 handles occasional packet loss fine. Anything more than that will probably kick you, but it's not a matter of milliseconds or even 3-5 seconds.
Also, SC2 has a limited offline mode with some restrictions. D3 does not on PC, but does have offline play on consoles.
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I bought diablo III + expansion and played them for 100+ hours. In all honesty I wouldn't recommend buying. I'm not saying it's a bad game, but there are better options for that kind of money. Never played other diablo games neither.
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Path of Exile. Free to play, 0% pay-to-win. Great developers.
Playable via Steam.
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One thing I've always wanted when playing PoE is the possibility of marking what skills you want to get if you've already decided what your skill path will be, so you can assign points faster and not mess up along the way or get lost between the options.
But yeah, the skill SEA is gorgeous, and it made me replay FFX once because I got Sphere Grid nostalgia D:
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PoE is overrated, i mean is not a bad game but when i played it i could only think "i am playing Diablo II but without the cool stuff of Diablo II, which i played a lot back in the time".
Diablo 3 with the expansion is a nice game, just forget about the story which is quite bad.
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I'm not sure what you mean by overrated-- other than that you didn't like it? I also played Diablo II for many, many hours. I haven't played D3 yet. I'm sure I'd enjoy it, but Path of Exile was free so I played that instead. Although I did give them about $15 for extra bank space and to support the game. =)
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As i said is not a bad game, but i had 2 big issues with it, first is too dark, too grimy. As i said, i played a lot of Diablo II and it was great, for the time, but now i am a little tired of this style, give me some color (i much prefer Torchlight 2 ary style). Also uninspired zones, destroyed city, refugee camp, jungle, etc., give me more cool ruins, temples to explored, give me some magic portal to an alternate reality, for god sake you even have sewers!
Second issue was the skill tree, it was huge, messy (i get what they wanted to do, but it seems likle they went more for a visual impact with it than an actual deep skill tree) and most important of all, full of boring passives.
I don't know the curent state of the game as i played last year i think, so while i think is a good game overall i also think is not as great as people say it is when they compare it as a worthy Diablo 2 successor; as in this respect i find Torchlight 2 better (and for story purposes neither T2 or PoE were that engaging).
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Most of the hatred for D3 comes from a circlejerk that began from with the shitty launch, most people who say that haven't actually played the game or are just D2 fanbois. It was a fantastic game that I easily sank over 1k hours into with a couple friends. That said, I probably wouldn't have come close to that if I didn't have people to play with, so make of that what you will. I also probably wouldn't have played so much if all my friends weren't interested in hardcore mode, which we all find makes the game 10x more interesting because of how much it keeps you on the edge of your seat. I would strongly recommend looking at Path of Exile if you haven't already. Another dungeon crawler, F2P, heavily inspired by D2 which is constantly evolving. It's a much more challenging and innovative experience, with thousands of different ways to play it. But that said, if you're looking more for just a casual ARPG experience, I wouldn't give D3 a miss.
As for SC2, I'm not really sure. Again, I've dropped well over 2k hours in to this, but that was as a competitive player. Don't expect to get far in SC2 if you want to play it for the PvP without doing a lot of research and practice. The story mode was quite fun, but relatively short lived. It didn't make much of an impression on me, but then, I've never been huge on single player games. Similar case as D3, I think SC2 is a fantastic game but is complimented really well by actually having friends to play it with.
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Thank you for the detailed response. I am looking at these games for the single player campaigns only. Honestly, I've never played a game online. Not really sure why, I just tend to dive into the stories and go from there.
StarCraft 1 consumed countless hours back in the day because I've played the campaigns multiple times but also had a group of fellow nerdy friends and we would have LAN parties. Yeah, I still get mocked to this day for having ever had them (and we had a lot of them) but they were a blast.
I'll have to check out Path of Exile. That's a new one to me, so thank you for the recommendation. :)
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Diablo games aren't known for their stories, or any sort of draw except one.
They're known exclusively for loot hoarding mechanics, a perpetual rush of swapping out gear for better gear and hunting really rare gear.
As far as story, plot, NPCs, character development, level up benefits [which isn't to say you don't get cool abilities to power up, but it's all very arcadey, not strategic], it's not what you'd typically label 'RPG'.
It's also a very, very repetitive, swarm-grinding game. With friends, this is sped up and infinitely more interesting and dynamic, hence why people tend to have FAR more fun in multiplayer on Diablo games.
Also, being able to go 'AH, BOSS!' and 'OOH, SHINY' and the like with things other than your chia pet and goldfish to hear it, definitely has benefits.
All that said, I did dump hundreds of hours of gameplay into the single player of Diablo 2 [and more into the multiplayer], so if you're new to the series, you likely'll enjoy yourself for at least the first playthrough.
Diablo 2 did not age well, and while there's no doubting it's an excellent game, most people gushing praise are speaking solely from nostalgia (as noted, we bled our time into that game).
So yes, Diablo 2 is great; however for a new player coming into it at this point in time, its dated mechanics (and even more dated graphics), which have been imitated and, in many senses, refined since then, may hinder your enjoyment. You're basically going to love it or hate it.
But, as noted, it's cheaply gained, so there's no harm in starting the series with it.
As far as Diablo 3 being a console port in any sense, that's nonsense. Likewise, while the game had SERIOUS issues at launch- mostly related to Blizzard's money-grubbing auction house and the game trying to tie too deeply into it- a lot of that has since been cleared up.
Is it a great game [compared to Diablo 2]? That's subjective, and hard for someone who has played the genre for years to say.
But, just like Diablo 2 isn't as awe-inspiring [at this point in time, definitely was at release, damn] as people make it out to be, Diablo 3 isn't as bad, either.
BUT.
Your best way into the genre?
Play Path of Exile. It's a refined, constantly updating and changing, love ode to Diablo.
And it's 100% free to play, the only thing you can spend real money on is cosmetics, period.
It has some balancing issues, but it's otherwise a vast improvement on Diablo 2 [Though it somehow manages to have less of a story than the Diablo games, which is impressive, in a sense], so unless you're trying to 'see what you missed', PoE is all you really need.
Then again, there are some things in Diablo 2 that'll stick with you. Not in any profound sense, but it'll definitely amp up your gaming geek cred.
So, tl;dr, I'd recommend staying away from Diablo 3 to start, since there are cheaper ways of determining if you're a fan of the genre.
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Now, I haven't played any of them long enough to have a strong opinion. I only played the free starter edition of Diablo back when it released and I only played a bit of Starcraft II. I personally found Diablo III to be quite repetitive and got boring really fast, but I guess that it's because it's not my type of game and, as for Starcraft II, I had also played the original and found this one to be quite good and it's great to play online.
The link you posted is not working for me, but as far as I know, the cheapest Starcraft II and HotS have been on the battle.net store was $9.99 each and for that price they are very worth it in my opinion. As for Diablo III, I can't personally recommend it, and if you haven't played any other Diablo games yet, you might not like it, you can always try the free starter edition on battle.net (this applies to both Diablo and Starcraft).
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If you want to play Starcraft II, then play Starcraft II. It's free. If you decide you like it, you can buy the full game.
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"If you decide you like it, you can buy the full game."
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I've never played D3, yet I think I can say, that D2 is still better.
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Personally I am waiting for the complete Starcraft II battle chest. Then play all the campaigns in a row.
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Last expansion (Legacy of the Void) is planned for later this year. It'll include the Protoss campaign (hope it's better than HoS - that had some interesting ideas gameplay-wise but the story was a kinda blah attempt to make Kerrigan more "Queen Bitch of the Universe" while still staying a sort-of good-guy), as well as multi-player rules updates.
Biggest update for multiplayer will be new units, as well as increased number of workers right from the start. That last bit probably will shake up the multi-player balance and push it towards more aggressive early expansions.
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Correct, the current chest is only Base + First Expansion. Second Expansion (currently final) is in the testing phase. Not sure when the release will be. If you buy the first two at $10 each now, probably can wait and get the third for $10 later as well. I like to collect boxes so I am just waiting for the complete all in one box for it. Likely will pay $30 or so for it so I won't be saving anything by waiting. I also would rather play the story all in one go rather than two bits now and the last bit a year or two from now.
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WoL is definitely worth it (bought it like 2 months ago for 10 dollars from Best Buy). I just bought HoS yesterday for 10 dollars to continue the story. I think I've put about 13 hrs into WoL so far (not finished yet). I only play single player (campaign). WoL has a great story and nice graphics (somewhat demanding). The one con about WoL is that most missions have timers, so if you like to max your base out and destroy the enemy base then be prepared to be rushed.
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I would buy Diablo 3 + Expansion. Buy Starcraft 2 + Expansion only if you are interested in the story. If you want multyplayer wait for the next expansion, it will be standalone if i remember correctly and you will be able to play multyplayer with just that one.
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Neither SC2 nor D3 are worth that money. As many people have mentioned, you're way better off installing Path of Exile if you want a challenging, awesomely balanced experience with countless builds to explore, and if you just want to casually hack, slash and loot without a great storyline, get Torchlight 2 and press all the buttons.
About the other one, I'm not big into the RTS genre but I'm a big fan of eSports, and SC2 has always struck me as a boring, high APM game of rock, paper and scissors where there's usually a couple of ways to win when playing as a particular race vs another, or you can cheese. I'd take Age of Empires any time over SC2.
If what you want is the storyline part, yeah, they probably get a couple more points in that scale compared to the counterpart examples mentioned.
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have you actually played SC2? I haven't played SC2 or watched any games in awhile but when I was active I felt it well balanced, there are always well defined builds for each race (which works both ways). I'm not sure I catch the rock, paper, scissors analogy, but I feel like there is a lot more strategy involved in SC2 then most other eSports games (at any levels, not just the pros), it's just that the pros are just so good that a single mistake can quickly escalate to defeat (which isn't so prevalent at lower leagues).
and like I said to someone else above, APM doesn't matter for 99.9% of players, unless you are playing against AI or custom matches, but if you're just playing regular ladder games you'll be placed with people similar to your skill level, the APM may not be the same but their match making is good enough you can expect to go roughly 50/50 wins/loss. when you have a zero sum match making system like that it sort of negates the need to be good at any one skill if you just want to play and have fun, there is no requirement to win in that regards. (if you want to be in a higher league then getting those APMs up helps.)
at any rate, I feel like StarCraft 2 is a phenomenal game and it's the only RTS I've played lately that I really liked, it's fast paced and controls and movement just really feel slick. I haven't played many other RTS but SC2 story isn't the best (I swear, I'm not disagreeing with you just to disagree), fuckin' Metzen, man, guy ruins everything :|
edit: I felt like I was disagreeing with everything you said, so I just wanted to add that I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said about D3 :csdsmile: I played the beta and was so unimpressed I never bought the full game heh
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It says it requires a US address to download. How does this work exactly? I would like to buy SCII WoL & HotS. I guess they will give me the codes for them and all I need to do is redeem them on Battle.net? Won't it be the US version though?
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Was hard to make the stupid account with a fake US address.
But, then, when I go to pay, paypal need to be from US too and with credit card, they deny me every single time.
So... well, thanks GameStop for making me save money. You lost 20$. =D
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I am surprised the most votes has gone to "not worth buying any."
I haven't been too interested in Blizzard games lately but that's hardly because they are bad, boring, or bland. can't speak for diablo series but StarCraft 2 and WoW are both fun, haven't played WoW much in the past few years but it's still a great experience imo (I realize WoW isn't on your list)
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Gamestop currently has a sale on Blizzard PC titles. These come around 3-4 times a year and always seem to be a 50% discount. My question is, is it worth $60 + tax to get StarCraft II and Diablo III with each of their respective expansions? Also, since the price is the same for physical copies and digital copies, is there a reason to get one or the other? In other words, the physical copy is similar to Call of Duty where you need the CD key to activate, and once it has been the copy is rendered virtually useless, correct?
Finally, I loved StarCraft 1 and sunk countless hours in my younger years into the game and expansion pack. (Wish I knew where they were today... They've got to be in some box.) So I have some experience with the franchise.
I have never played a Diablo game. Is that helpful for jumping into the third installment? Some of my die-hard Diablo friends despise Diablo III and say it's a console game ported to PC. Since I've never played 1 or 2, I may be spared that bias.
Are they worth it?
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