Winner cant see the key, unless you send it. In meantime he just se ¨-¨
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So the person knows that he/she has won, and can go say thanks without my having sent the key. Thank you for clarifying.
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Keep in mind, though, winners are advised to wait for the GA creator to contact them, iow they're not supposed to pester the creator before the 7-day period the creator has to provide the key.
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I can only speak for myself. As soon as I see I won something I go and put a nice, appreciative comment on the game. It lets the person know I am around and that I appreciate their effort.
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Get use to it :) That is one of the reasons I stoped doing public ga's.
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I tend to thank them after I've received the key. Already had a couple wins I never received.
I do, however, always make sure I thank them. :)
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i agree only thank them after receiving, or else you feel stupid if you get rerolled or person never sends lol
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No, they can't.
Thanks implicitly states 'thanks, I got the game'.
Besides, how would they know to say thanks first? You haven't given them anything, and the site has far too many scammers.
And the site has enough people throwing thanks around cheaply, as though it's a completely meaningless word.
If you want to be upset because people don't say thanks after receiving a game, that's legitimate and your prerogative.
If you get upset when it's unreasonable to ask for it, that's on you, not them.
Moreover, we don't say thanks beforehand because it's flippin' rude to do so.
It diminishes the value of the word.
You want shows of gratitude before the giveaway ends? Give us a good prompt, that gives us something real to say.
Don't expect us to throw you empty word just because you can't ask bother to ask us for real ones.
Whatever the case, inflicting your own expectations on others makes you the person at fault, not them-
Which is why, for example, I don't blacklist people for saying 'thanks', and nothing else. Many of them likely have the best of intentions. Well, most are probably bots. But I like to think positively!
That's the thing about blacklisting people for saying thanks, after you told them not to.
You're not blacklisting them BECAUSE they said thanks, you're blacklisting them because they didn't respect you enough to give your attentions any mind, or willfully decided they weren't worth following [which, of course, is their valid decision to make].
So no, we're not going to say thanks right when we win the game, because that would be ridiculous. lacking in value, and attributing you gratitude you haven't yet earned.
tl;dr version: Patience is a virtue, and if they say thank you eventually, the only fault lies in your expectations that they should bypass proper courtesies and jump to throw praises at you.
I'm not sure how you were raised- and I don't mean that as an insult- but that's in sharp contrast to how I learned to value displays of gratitude, as being heartfelt, honest, and deliberate.
So if you wanna blacklist me because I took the time to make sure my words counted for something?
Then by all means- I don't want to give you that degree of deeply considered respect if you're going to toss it aside like it's nothing, anyway.
Disclaimer: I speak only on behalf of people with similar sentiments to myself.
Obviously, many people who don't say anything ARE jerks. But of course, so are many of the ones that do [say generic comments].
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I felt like I was reading my own thoughts exactly. Saying thanks before you receive something is almost like saying your welcome before someone says thanks :P
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I usually comment on the giveaway when I see that I won regardless if the creator added the key or tried to contact me. But I've seen other people commenting only after they received the game. Don't be so quick to judge :)
Also, most of your giveaways are public. "Thank you"s after winning public giveaways are a rare thing. If this bothers you, make invite only for the forum people, or add the winners on Steam and give them the keys via chat.
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It is not a judgment. It is based on empirical evidence.
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I think he means judging people that wait to say thank you -.-
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"Thank you"s after winning public giveaways are a rare thing.
Not if you give the key through Steam-chat. Thank-rate 100% ;-)
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Until winner gets key/gift he can only say thanks to the rng gods. :)
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They see the cat, but not the key. They only see that once you click Send Key.
Note that you should check the winner for unactivated wins and for multiple wins of the same game. If they fail any of these tests, ask for a new winner. However, if your request is denied (because "the winner already served suspension for these infractions"), you are expected by this site to deliver the key. This is regardless if the winner said Thanks or not, and regardless of how bad their conduct was otherwise (and it indeed can be terrible). Not delivering will get you in trouble. How much trouble I don't know yet.
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I have always sent the key to the person that won. I did request 1 reroll because after 7+ days it was not marked received but I managed to get the user's attention.
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I agree almost all you've said except they saying thanks "before" you sent the key. On their point of view you only organized a raffle, despite your previous GAs you may not send it. Also you have no right not sending key depending solely on this since it is against site rules, even leeches are welcome here.
I suggest to blacklist anyone who is incapable of a simple thanks even it is not heartfelt. Also always put what you expect from contestants without special rules so noone gets hurt at the end. You can only enforce blacklist and reroll if they break the site rules.
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You can only enforce blacklist and reroll if they break the site rules.
To elaborate more on this. You can only enforce blacklist in future giveaways, regardless if they break site rules or not. You can reroll if they break the site rules and haven't been suspended for these infractions already (Support will let you know).
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I am not interested in blacklisting anyone. I am interested in teaching people to be thankful. Entitlement is out of control! :P
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Never has a truer word been said! (about entitlement)
Another big one is imposing expectations on others based on our own beliefs. When you say "I expect the winner to say Thanks after they know they have won" you are suggesting there is one (right) way to give thanks, or at least, there is a best way to give thanks.
Most people believe the best time is after receiving the gift so that is when they do it. That doesn't make them wrong (or yourself). We are quick to find fault in others who don't share the same beliefs.
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Again, if that were true, then fine, but I have only 1 open giveaway. I have a bunch closed with no thanks. The only way you can give thanks to the creator is a comment to the person giving it away. So when you do it I don't care, but something would be nice, and yes I expect a Thanks from the winner - no one else.
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Well when it comes down to it, having 'any' expectations of another is imposing expectations based on our beliefs.
I'm all for fostering an environment of gratitude and positivity, but it needs to be done in a positive way (or you're not fostering gratitude and positivity).
Take these two scenarios,
Not expecting anything. 90% of the people meet the status quo (so not positive, not negative). You have much gratitude for the 10% of people that do say thank you.
The other is expecting a thank you. 90% of people disappoint and create a negative experience. 10% of people do as expected, which doesn't create as much gratitude as it's what people are expected to do.
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Oh, shush.
You've no interest in teaching people to be thankful, you're interested in having people EXPRESS thankulness in a way that YOU see fit, without (as far as you've stated thus far) giving any indication to them what your expectations are.
You're right- entitlement is out of control.
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To some people it might be weird to give thanks before they've received the win. In their mind they might see it as pestering you, the GA creator. There have been GA creators in the past who have gotten annoyed at winners adding them on Steam for example, even though they probably were just doing that to return their thanks. Others have complained of thanks messages filling their inbox. Again, a reason that a winner might not feel like they should be thanking before receiving. Personally, when I've thanked people before they've sent the gift, I've felt compelled to do so again after receiving the key, even if just to add "Thanks again, key activated now :D" or similar to my original message.
I won't be one to judge but in my experience most of the people I've sent keys to for their wins have thanked me after the key was sent. It could be mostly because I send off the keys pretty swiftly after GA end so they have no choice but either way I won't think they're ungrateful if they don't thank me first.
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I guess my experience is different. I think I had one, maybe two people say thanks after winning. I have consistently sent the key as soon as possible to my GAs ending. I am not mad at folks not saying thank you. It simply reminds me of the 10 people healed of leprosy by Jesus... only 1 returned to say thanks. I guess 10% of the winners saying thanks is about as good as it will get.
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Yep, it's true; You won't get any word out of some people. The higher the level you go, the more appreciation you'll probably receive but even at high levels like 7 or 8 I've still had winners never say a word. Groups and whitelists tend to be different to that.
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I always thank after receiving a game- because that's when I can honestly and fully mean it, AS a thank you!
No matter how much you intend it to be honest, there's always a bit of doubt and uncertainty before that point, and the thank you will always ring hollow, unless there's specific reason it shouldn't [ie, you know the person directly].
I find people saying thank you at points where it can't be wholeheartedly said, very awkward, at best.
Add in how generically and mindlessly and consistently they do it for every little thing, and that just tells me it's a word they don't place any value in, and only do because they want to adhere to social expectations.
That, I find offensive.
But, again, respect is about being open and considerate.
So you state your perspectives clearly [ex, state in your giveaway what you expect from people] and you try to understand others, before letting your assumptions and personal considerations dictate your final interpretation of matters.
At that point, anyone that attacks you or flaunts your perspectives in your face CAN be disdained, because at that point they're not doing things to their own expectations, but knowingly and willfully spitting at your own considerations.
Annnnyway- always nice reading your comments, they've always been very considerate and open-minded so far :)
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I still think the cat needs some dubstep just so you're sure the RNG gods love you even more lol
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That cat is not wearing proper radiation protection for either space OR Fallout 4 >.>
This cat will be mistaken for a hallucination in the apocalypse and gains some protection ;o
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I always wait until after I've activated the game to say thanks because I've had issues on other sites with creators sending invalid keys and refusing to follow through on their giveaways.
Also, as previously mentioned, we're told not to contact the creator for 7 days.
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I used "fair amount" trying to indicate it was not a lot. However, it is more than some folks, and I try to give more than I win. I prefer not to use a blacklist. I am not trying to be mean to anyone, just trying to instill some appreciation which is not taught much anymore.
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"fair amount" implies "more than the baseline/average".
That's implicit in its composing words: Fair amount>>equal amount.
It's a sentiment expressing equalization, with the implication of being better than.
Ergo, it's typically used to indicate 'better than average/better than expected'.
As far as the 'trying to be mean to anyone', please don't take my posts too negatively. I come across a lot harsher than I intend when my health is poor, and I'm sick atm :X
Well, my personal sentiments over use of thank you and how they conflict with yours aside, the people that take the time to say thank you after winning a game are definitely in the minority. Of course, that's not necessarily so bad- it tells you who is worth paying extra mind to. :)
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That honest sentiment and approach is appreciated! :D
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Why are winners 'Anonymous'?
Giveaway winners remain anonymous until their gift is marked received or not received. This is done for security, and to prevent other users from copying the identity of the winner in an attempt to receive their gift.
Have you seen the FAQ?
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Yes I have, and that is anonymous to everyone else not the winner or the creator. So thanks but not applicable.
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You thank immediate after you win not after receive, so you're not anonymous anymore. Unless you add him on Steam to thank, but that against the rule too.
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Er. And posting a thank you reveals yourself.
Meaning you're not supposed to do it until you've received the game.
:scratches head: Not sure how that's not applicable :P
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The creator sees exactly who the winner is and their email, so you are already revealed to the creator. As stated that is to not reveal the winner to other entrants so that they cannot impersonate the winner. That is why it is not applicable. (I hope this did not come across as "short" just trying to explain it logically.)
Ah, sorry it just dawned on me what you mean... if someone were to return to the giveaway they could see the "thank you" posted by the winner, and then potentially try to use that information. I can see that, although not a huge potential risk. Sorry it took me a bit to see your point.
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I think everybody should see the FAQ to show the respect to our site.
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That's a good point! I hadn't considered, but only because I've never had anyone try to contact me impersonating a winner. I bet it's happened before though.
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Yeah, I had an issue with that early on, it's one of the reasons I never expect any comments of any sort from winners until I send the game. Totally unfair to ask that of them.
The other being, as I noted in above posts, that it feels distinctly weird to get gratitude before it's earned.
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Lol, you have yourself won 19 games, how come you have no clue what a winner sees?
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Weird thing is, you have replied to one of your GA win saying you did not get a key after winning the game, why would you post a question when you know exactly what happens.
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I know that I see the cat, but I was not sure on the key, which is exactly what I stated. I did not know when the creator clicked the sent key or not, so that is why I ask . Why do some people feel compelled to answer rudely. I would not have asked if I knew the complete answer.
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Oh I'm going to sound like a pedant here. You ask why they ask a question when they already know the answer. One would reason he's probably asking the question because he doesn't know the answer. So then, you must know the answer to your question so in the end you're doing the very thing you ask them about. paradox yo.
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"One would reason he's probably asking the question because he doesn't know the answer"
That one is probably just you, so you are the only one stuck in this paradox my friend, no one else.
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I'm totally of PieceofMind's perspective on the matter o.O
Could you clarify why that perspective is mistaken? :X
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He misunderstood my question, I asked the OP why was he asking this question when he already knows the answer.
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Right, and PoM was saying you were asking a question you already knew the answer to, at least as much as the OP knew the answer to their own.
Basically, he's trying to say that you should give benefit of the doubt to people asking questions, that they have an actual reason for doing so :)
Some of us are just addle-minded and need clarification on simple, obvious things, for one!
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No, I still don't know the reason why he would ask something he already knows. So no paradox for me.
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Fair point. 'Irony' or 'Hypocrisy' would have been much more apt terms than 'paradox', since neither sentiment negated the other.
Woops. :P
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Well from my point of view, I would ask a question to which I already knew(or thought I knew) the answer for verification purposes or to see who supported my particular opinion on the matter at hand. That is what it seems he is doing here to me, although I did not go through and read every response of his, I am just basing this off of his main post.
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Thanks for trying to level your account by posting a bunch of cheap bundle games with mixed to negative reviews. Your self-interests are greatly appreciated by the community.
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Mixed to negative reviews mean nothing. People enter for giveaways for games they want to play.
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:D
Don't judge my love of trashy RPGs and strategy games :'P
Besides, given the number of legitimately trashy sports, sim, and hunting games there are with high ratings, just because noone but total fans would ever touch the things, negates the whole evaluation :P
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I cannot help what is in a bundle and what I have left over. And I think the HOGs are highly rated.
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There will always be people grateful to win those games from you. And you're right, the Artifex Mundi HOGs are normally very highly rated.
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And if you look Stalker, Grim Legend, Schein, Fine Sweeper, Fort Defense, Pool Nation, etc. all are positive or better, so please get your facts straight before making an accusation.
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Grim Legends is one of the best HOGs I've ever played. It annoys me when people complain abut what others give away, don't enter if you don't like it. In the end you are not obliged to give anything at all.
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I figured my comment would be completely lost on you. Nevertheless, I thought it only fair to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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100 people 100 heads. People are strange flowers.
What does a thanks mean from some dude that u will never see again, like that guy u bumped into 3 years ago.
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I remember that guy, though.
He said thank you, and that was rare enough to make him memorable.
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look like i never entry your giveaway, and maybe the winner dont care about it but i think they really appreciate it, so... let me say "Thank You very much for your kindness" for the winner who never say thank you :)...
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I give the keys through Steam chat, that way nobody has even the chance of not saying thanks ;-)
To your question: Message comes directly, prior/without the key. More importantly there is no further notification after the key has been send.
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if you tell them "say thanks first"
haha, no that wasn't needed ;-)
Only had nice people until now. Even a Russian who didn't write English and probably used google to translate my text just like I did for his Cyrillic answers. But he too, thanked me that way ^^
But as I see, your sample rate is considerably higher. Bound to find a bad apple at some point, I guess
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Here is what I am trying to understand. For a GA with a key entered into SG, what does the winner of the GA see once the GA has finished and they are selected as the initial winner, but I have not yet selected "Send Key"? I am pretty sure they get the crazy cat message indicating they won the GA, correct?
The reason I am asking is I expect the winner to say Thanks after they have won, especially when they do not say Thanks prior. Saying thanks after a win is what indicates the type of person won, in my opinion. I want to know when the winner knows they have a won. I have given a fair amount of games away and almost none of the winners ever say Thanks.
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