I guess I may be in the minority, but I don't have any interest in watching other people play games. The only reason I use twitch is because if the free games I get with prime. So, I guess I don't really care too much one way or the other.
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I don't have any interest in watching people play games live. I prefer edited videos and typically of games I can't play myself or for the entertaining commentary. The games themselves are usually secondary and when they're not it's because I don't own the system or can't afford the game at any given time (or it's a horror game and I'm just too much of a wuss to play it myself).
Livestreams are just clusterfucks (and either a lot of quiet or a lot of screaming), I have no desire to watch that.
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Yeah I am with you on this one as well. I have limited free time and more games than I can play, so why would I sit and watch someone else playing? Only time I think it makes sense is if it's a competition or something like AGDQ. I still don't watch then, but it makes more sense than watching some tryhard dick around in a game.
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I didn't either until I got into it. It's a lot more about the streamer than the game in the end.
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"Minority"... Oh, I'm sure there's a LOT of people who game, but have very little interest in watching others play live.
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I came to the realisation just last night, that for some, Twitch is filling the hole left by MySpace
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can't beat twitch.
moving into a market that is already dominated by someone else will make it hard for them to survive, let alone profit.
also , twitch has another HUGE thing going for it .
it's not just gaming streams!
so just making a streaming site for gaming and trying to go into a heavily dominated market with a competitor that offers more than they do is a bad idea IMO.
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why they need to beat twitch? its a good additional feature. nothing more. nothing less.
when you cant be no1 its not worth it?! ok....
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allow me to explain it to you in a way you might understand.
Big streamer streams.
Big streamer brings in people watch him.
Big streamer makes profit for Big streamer and for site.
New site starts service.
new site no good as popular big site.
Big streamer like Big site.
Big streamer no move from Big site.
People like Big streamer , they stay on big site and watch.
New streamer is new.
he picks Big site cause many people there.
New Streamer Streams .
New Streamer maybe become big.
New site no get Streamers cause they all liek Big site.
New site fails to get traffic.
New site fails to make money.
New site generates negative moneys.
New site is bad
Baboon sings Circle of life as new site dies.
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The important difference might be here that Valve already has a big customer base, and they can lure them in with big promotions. Get free games, get discount coupons, win some wallet. I agree it's unlikely that a new competitor can establish himself on a market like this. But if anyone can do it, it's Valve.
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yepp, steam will die because of this
the guy that doesnt understand is you. some people just stream because they can and not because they want to make any profit, maybe exposure. it doesnt hurt and will not ruin steam in any way. its optional, acceptable and badmouthing it before you even seen it live is complete nonsense. with that logic people also should stick to big newspapers and dont buy their local ones with much less sales numbers because they are not in the top 10 and not worth any time? steam maybe also should remove chat because there is discord? fine, dislike variety, but its there
and FYI i dont watch game streamings
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I don't think he said Steam will die because of this. He was just talking about this new service. And considering how often we have seen new competitors die off in the past, I think he has a point. It's not impossible that Valve establishes a new successful streaming platform, but it's certainly very hard to compete against Twitch right now.
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You forget one teeeny-tiny little tidbit here: Steam already has a Twitch competition service. Has had it for years. Called Broadcasts. If you forgot about it, it is normal, so did everyone else, because nobody is using it. It is like if they started a new video sharing service and call it SteamTube. Yes, sure, they have a billion potential users who may use it. Just like Broadcasts. None of that potential billion users use it nonetheless. And none will use Steam.tv, unless they give a literal fuckton of money to streamer like DrDisrespect, Ninja, Lirik, bahroo, Shroud, etc. And it has to be a fuckton, because those people make 20-100k USD per month (yes, per month) on Twitch; revenue they will mostly lose if they move from there, since the money comes from Twitch subscribers. Just getting Ninja to move would probably cost somewhere along ten million bucks or so. Which is about one million times more than Valve usually spends on things.
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And that's also why MySpace will reign supreme forever!
But seriously, of course it is a huge and unlikely challenge to beat Twitch. Doesn't mean that it is impossible or that nobody should try. The market certainly is sustainable for several competitors.
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Didn't Twitch.tv spin off from Justin.tv? Justin.tv was the original and you could stream pretty much any type of content. Twitch.tv spun off from them and became much more popular (specializing in video game streams), so much so that they closed Justin.tv to concentrate on Twitch.tv.
By your reasoning, the general streaming service should have been more popular than the one that was limited to a specific category. So in this case, at least, your reasoning was incorrect.
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One thing valve actually does thats fairly unique is allow you to broadcast privately without the need for additional subscription, nor handing over data like your phone number (ie youtube), which for client/artist online meetings is actually very beneficial as you can stream any program added to the client that runs with steam overlay.
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as all new things from valve (from useless curators to buggy chart) - not interesting
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Steam can't even fix their browser's problems now they want to do live stream. lol
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Live steam!
They are streaming making of a new game!
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"I'm not interested therefore this feature is garbage" - Every internet user ever.
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this is good, in my book. i'll probably never watch a something-amazon.tv (ie: have prime video/twitch prime, saw maybe 1 hour per year) nor this.
still, everything that shakes, even a very little, competitors, is sacred, is good.
:D
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TIL Amazon owns Twitch. That's how interested I am in streaming, only watch streams once or twice a month or so.
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The company who cannot fix decade-old known bugs in their client wants to start a service that depends on high reliability with low latency.
On top of that, it is already dominated by a company to roughly the same extent as Valve dominates the online game distribution with Steam.
Just like how I cannot really get the point of Twitch starting its own game download client that has nothing as an alternative to Steam (as in, really, they are just regurgitating old Humble Bundle games and lack any kind of plus we can find on GOG/Origin/UPlay/battle.net/Bethesda launcher/Epic launcher), I wonder whose bright idea was for Valve to compete with Twitch.
It is as if the management of the tech sector is made of pandas (which may be cute, but they are one of the least intelligent life forms on this planet next to Tea Party activists) who are incapable of learning from Microsoft's and Google's similar "let's make our own version of vastly dominated services" fuckups. (Anyone remembers Google+?)
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Well, twitch is actually equally incompetent in regards to their streaming platform as Valve is with Steam.
regurgitating old Humble Bundle games
Not really, I haven't seen Tyranny on HB yet.
The client is useless but at least the games are DRM-free
On the technical side YouTube has actually surpassed Twitch on streaming capabilities already and always was far better with the user interface and responsitivity. Also VOD discoverability is a nightmare on Twitch.
I bet main motivation for Valve is just to want to keep all the profits of televising their events for themselves.
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The funny part is that one of the few channels I regularly watch on YouTube (DBZ league) that makes livestream content just went back to Twitch a few months ago (after moving from Twitch to YT around 2-3 years back) since they found it a lot better service for it.
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For money making it still is indeed, technically however not anymore (It was up until last year though).
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That is the thing: they went back for technical reasons. The channel is not funded through viewers, they never even opted for a subscription button. The reason they stated was that it was simply a lot better for them as a service. Considering they stream at a time that is 2 AM for me, I am partly indifferent, since I just watch the YT reuploads anyway, but it kinda stuck with me when they announced the Season 9 changes, where the move (back) to Twitch was one of the biggest ones.
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The reason they stated was that it was simply a lot better for them as a service.
Well, I'd need something more specific to actually be able to respond to that.
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shrugs Beats me. They started a 4-part pre-season streaming to both YT and Twitch, then it was Twitch only.
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I don't see Twitch falling from the top spot anytime soon though. Amazon's gonna make sure of that.
lol, they are so incompetent it's actually a wonder they are still around, without Amazon they would have tanked long ago.
Having been first and the biggest site, is the only thing keeping them at the top. Building up an audience is an extremely difficult, see Mixer despite Microsoft's millions.
Steam however has a huge user base that they can throw at it, so there is a real chance for actual competition.
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How large user base? Steam's usual daily user numbers are around 15-18 million active users.
Twitch's daily active user count is around 15 million.
Twitch is already as big as Steam, simple as that. And I would also put a wager that a whole lot more people have an amazon account than a Steam account (considering there are supposedly almost 100 million Prime users alone).
Granted, it is two of the absolute worst tech companies in existence we are talking about, with enough incompetence shared among them to render an entire continent infertile if it was biological, so nobody will really win, but realistically speaking, video game streaming or not, Valve may be the underdog here. amazon is one of the few companies with enough cash to buy them, if they really wanted to.
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Steam's usual daily user numbers are around 15-18 million active users.
Twitch's daily active user count is around 15 million.
There's a biiiiiiiiiiig overlap here. Except for the Fortnite kiddies, most viewers will have a Steam account
more people have an amazon account
An Amazon account is useless though, you need a dedicated Twitch account so that argument falls flat.
almost 100 million Prime users
so what, Amazon customers != stream viewers
Valve may be the underdog here.
Of course, on the basis of the starting position alone, but compared to mixer there's an actual chance for something to change up now.
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Honestly, I doubt it. Unless they came up with some revolutionary idea to bring some freshness into video game streaming, all they can do is giving a separate web page and platform for their already existing Broadcast service, which nobody uses, despite being there for two and a half years already (I don't think I ever saw a single broadcast with more than 150 viewers).
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Give out free steam wallet and see how the viewership explodes xD
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I don't see myself watching streams through steam... actually i don't even expect it to work properly, the integrated webbrowser randomly crashes when browsing through the steam store already, as well as their new "brilliant" chat feature
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Very exciting to see how Valve will innovate the medium.
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I'm not watching streams on steam/mixer/twitch normally, but don't mind more competition. If steam wants a dedicated service, and they already have a technology, why not?
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Hope they won't push idiot streamers into every store page or whatever. Keep them in their pen.
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Really nice that Steam seems to be making efforts to catch up with the latest tech, like they did with the Steam chat before.
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Ah yes, the "mistake".
These "mistakes" happen so frequently we should all know by now they are no accidents. You can't accidentally bring a streaming website online, it's not like turning on the light. (old-fashioned light, not them fancy smart(phone) lights they have these days)
They brought it online to make people aware that The International is starting tomorrow, the streamable part. So ya'll get ready now, they need millions to make millions to give away millions.
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I don't know. Those Twitch "THOTS" are not helping their cause. Twitch is becoming soft-core porn streaming site.
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So it appears to be just a new way to watch the Dota event.
Not quite:
After the tournament we plan to extend Watch Party support for all games that are broadcasting on Steam and expose a new broadcast Steamworks API to Steam partners.
On a semi-related note, Twitch just canned their ad-free viewing for prime members and people are not happy about it.
Looks nearly as if Gabe had some inside information and tries to pull up.
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Looks like we will have a Valve Prime very soon...
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Wait, it's not separate thing but part of new chat... well, that could be useful...
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Details here: https://www.cnet.com/news/steam-tv-is-live-and-it-appears-to-be-valves-twitch-competitor/
News outlets are speculating this could turn into competition with Amazon's Twitch and Mixxer. I don't see Twitch falling from the top spot anytime soon though. Amazon's gonna make sure of that.
Thoughts?
Update: http://blog.dota2.com/2018/08/the-main-event-with-new-steam-broadcasting/
So it appears to be just a new way to watch the Dota event.Correction: As Tristar pointed out, Steam plans to extend Watch Party support to other games after the event's over, so that's good.Comment has been collapsed.