You know the phrase, "pride is part celebration, part riot." Well at this rate it's just gonna be all riot.

We've been dealing with the commercialization of pride, companies making colorful logos and slogans to sell to the disenfranchised group, tryna convince us that handing the companies that help maintain inequality in the world is helping us. That putting a rainbow flag on their is representation instead of letting the lgbt people they can legally discriminate against hiring create and sell their own products.

Still, that was progress, the fact that we could be visible and openly advertised is better than when we were outlawed and had to be hidden. But we're going back to that. The puritans and the law are not slowly receding to accept our existence, they are pushing back.

With Trump we didn't expect lgbt protections to get any better, maybe even a little worse, but it's gotten a lot worse. lgbt people still aren't a federally protected class, and the federal government is actively fucking trans people. The Military ban was bad, but last week they started on a plan to remove anti trans discrimination from homeless shelters. They literally want us to die on the street when our parents kick us out for being trans, or when we can't work because we can't get proper treatment for disabilities or mental illness.

We aren't gonna riot, but I hope we do. A man immolated himself in front of the white house recently and received so little news coverage. We need to do something big that they can't hide.

I'mma go piss on an amerikkan flag.

Donate to the Trevor project or sumthing

Or support lgbt artists. I recommend Internet gf as I'm listening to her while I write this.

Edit: Sex wasn't the pint, but it's all y'all are focousing in so it's gone.

Also I forgot about the white house tryna remove healthcare protections for trans people also.

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Deep breathing exercise don't do shit to stop us dying in the streets, direct action is necessary.

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Hmmm, I don't understand... You are pissed because the police want to arrest people who have sex on public pride parades?

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I'm not pissed at that. I'm annoyed some bootlicker wants to call the police on pride.

I'm pissed at this "last week they started on a plan to remove anti trans discrimination from homeless shelters. They literally want us to die on the street when our parents kick us out for being trans, or when we can't work because we can't get proper treatment for disabilities or mental illness."

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Ok, so you're pissed that a person you don't like wants to call the police on people who do illegal things... Ok....

What is anti-trans discrimination, how was it implemented in homeless shelters and how do they plan on removing it? :S

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It's a protest, legality is not considered. And yeah, fuck cops, they shouldn't involved in pride in any way unless they're getting bricks thrown at them again.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/05/22/new-trump-rules-discrimination-homeless-trans-people/

They're doing the same thing with healthcare too.

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It's a protest, legality is not considered.
You can do illegal things as long as you say it's a protest

This is a joke, right?
Next time tell us how stupid you are from the start of the thread, so we don't bother reading it.

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By the same logic, cops shouldn't go out and arrest drunk and disorderly people on St. Partick's Day because they are celebrating their "Irishness." They should get drunk, urinate on the streets and do whatever the hell they want because they're drunk? It shouldn't be an excuse to get so drunk tbh. Likewise, Pride isn't an excuse to do whatever the fk you want. You still have to celebrate it within the laws of the country. Sex on the streets is not legal for ANYONE and never should be.

It is people like you who damage the reputation of these days in the eyes of the general public shouting about not being able to be a dickhead in public. Then you blame the public.

As for the homeless thing. I might agree with you there. Remember the bathroom debacle? That was a load of public hoo-hah initiated by Trump for publicity from his cronies. People still do whatever they do. Geez, in fact, most of the time, I wouldn't even notice because I generally ignore people that I don't know in public bathooms. No one cares. I guarantee most people in homeless shelters will continue not caring so long as the person is outwardly the gender they claim. What are they going to do? Yell "Drop yo pants!" They can't do that.

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tbf, cops really only arrest drunk drivers on saint paddys day. It literally is an excuse to get so drunk though, thanks for the counter point. Like mardi gras is a thing but noone complains about seeing tits.

And pride is not for straight people so idrk your opinion of it.Pride is not to do whatever you want, but part of it is to display our sexuality.

The legalization of trans discrimination is my biggest issue. They're also tryna make it so doctors can refuse to treat lgbt people on religious grounds, it's so great.

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Whatever kid. People get arrested all the time on the streets. I have seen it with my own two eyes. I am actually from Ireland.

Anyway, I'm done talking to you, you're obviously just attention seeking. I don't give a flying fiddlers if you're LGBT, it doesn't mean that you know what's best for the entire community. You're just one person. I'm in musical theater, so I know quite a few people who are certainly gay and they're decent guys. i know for a fact that they wouldn't agree with you on the public sex thing. In fact, I've attended pride with a group of both gay and straight friends and what we say was completely peaceful and people having fun. No public bullshit displays. Not every LGBT person is a moron like you.

Have a nice day. Done talking to you.

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More power to you in regards to the pursuit of the transsexuals rights and acceptance, but understand that the Police in general form as a legitimate and constituted body of persons have absolutely nothing to do with the your personal frustrations or specific case(s) of injustice.

The easier way is to just to hate on something or wanting to burn everything to the ground while the correct way is to seek punishment just for the ones that did wrong. I hope you understand that someday and let go of your prejudice.

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No, police actively enforce injustice even if they don't "cause" it. ( a few do cause it though)

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That article is so shit. mlk wasn't all happpyness. He had major criticisms on those who had inaction and capitalism.

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Then you and me know very different MLK, because the one I read about never wanted bricks thrown at cops or any other sort of nonsense like that.
When you argue or act based on hatred - even if your initial cause was just - will only spoil the results.
Read the article again and picture something as easy as this very common scenario: when your claim for a cause reaches the wider audience, many people that know nothing about it will turn AGAINST it because of the fact it's carried with prejudice and hatred towards another group (in this case, police officers) OR it will gather support by people that carry the same prejudice and hatred and it disvirtue the whole movement.
You're not making it better for anyone by doing that.

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Theres nothing wrong with prejudice towards cops.

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Yes, there is. If they get treated like shit and thrown bricks at, they're gonna treat other people like shit too. Everyone has their limits, noone wants to be mistreated. If you're rich enough to hire private detectives in case of a robbery or kidnapping, good for you. Most of us, common people will turn to the police and if you want someone to do you a favor, you can't be enemies with them. You won't believe how impossible things can become possible with the right attitude - and vice versa.

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Theres nothing wrong with prejudice towards cops.

Wow, that statement is so full of a myopic double standard and logical fallacies that I don't know where to even begin.

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Theres nothing wrong with prejudice towards (insert any human behavior, race, etc.)

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the problem with peaceful protest is if someone else does not pitty and/or back you in some way it'll go no were. miners tried to protest pinkertons and the unfair ness they where subjected to in the mines. you know what they got? shot and put back in the mines when the army backed up the mine owners. i'm from a mining city i know what went down. people forget why we needed unions and what happened before hand.

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blinkdog, not sure if you wanted to reply to me but if you did: a protest that is not violent and ends up with the military shooting at the protesters because the army is "backing up the mine owners" is not a similar situation.
But even if you wanted to force it, then the protesters are the ones suffering injust attacks there (injust in like receiving bricks to the head for showing up for work), so you should actually compare them to the police.
Therefore you should be against that prejudice against the police and distateful (and criminal) stament of wanting police officers to have bricks thrown at them because they were working on a Pride's Day Parade.

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people should never drink and drive paddys day. or not. they kill families and walk away cause they are drunk. no fuck that they should go to jail!

they also do arrest/fine people flashing tit during mardi gras but when everyone is doing it, it's ether let some slide or fill your jail up on a victimless crime.

if you are bitching about having sex in public as "display our sexuality" then no. sexuality does not always equal sex. if that's what you want to do keep it inside. strait people cant have sex out side so neither can lgbt's. don't cry equality and then demand special privileges. this is the stuff that pisses off the other side and its unfair to both sides.

i agree with you on the cops. they are way to gun happy and aggressive lately. tell a cop you have a carry permit and you see that "i'm gonna shoot you" look in their eye as they immediately go for their gun. like wtf

p.s. that refusal of stuff for religious reasons is all bullshit.
people should bring back the greek gods. its actually against greek religion to not be bisexual. it breaks down to you only have one life and you should experience everything you can. greek gods were also mainly for the rich.

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+1.
But to me the worst part wasn't even this lack of rationality, but that HATE SPEECH right there:
" And yeah, fuck cops, they shouldn't involved in pride in any way unless they're getting bricks thrown at them again(...)." <= Can you believe that sh-t?

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Heh! Initially, I thought the OP truly believed the shite she was posting. With all the backpedaling at this point, I honestly think she's trolling. ;)

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Isn't there a way to report this post? That's just terrible. Gosh, I wish the OP gets treated the same way she wishes other people to be.

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I'm not pissed at that. I'm annoyed some bootlicker wants to call the police on pride.

In OP you wrote "threatening to call the cops on pride if they see any sex " but now suddenly they are just some random shit wanting to call police to hurt LGBT feelings.
Would be good to say only one thing, not twisting it around as you wish.

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I didn't twist it around. I just told you the context, I don't need to write the full thing out everytime I mention it from then on.

And If I remember correctly the full context his defention of sex was just scantily clad people or leather daddys. Doesn't really matter, since it's not the point.

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Yeah, the point was you all the time.

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Aww, I think I liked it betterr when you thought I was a master manipulator instead of just an attention whore.

I think I kinda liked you better when I thought you were smart.

The point is "don't call fucking cops on pride"

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Then maybe don't break the fucking law? ( or don't call "showing your ass and wearing leather" sex)

You know, if we go at it, I liked you better when you were suicidal and called the community shit multiple times. Or before that, when you were confused. Or before that, when you acted a bit weird and was looking for your place in your world. Better than the current state where you stirr shit up while not even being able to properly make a topic on it. Before you called for active violence in the same topic where you ask for our money. And later in comments you tell someone that Pride Parade is not for straight people - last time I checked, LGDB communities were open-armed to support from whoever it came from.
I don't know what cult-level bullshit life you're living, but it takes a special kind of selfish/stupid to call for riot, call for our money, but at the same time tell us to fuck off. Against the general LGDB movement's general idea, mind you.
People were focusing too much on sex in your post? Turns out it was inaccurate, irrelevant, misleading, and now you're the victim because we misunderstandood you.

You're still just a child, you found something that is bigger than you but can't reach up to it. And it is scary how every single post of you leads to nowhere, it's just your personal outlet for your rage, lashing-out and to fan your ego because they go fucking nowhere. It's kind of sad that in a year or two how the story changed. I hoped you the best about accepting your sexuality and transitioning. Then about you being suicidal. But nowadays you're absolutely intolerable with the forced rebellion, deliberately making a show wherever you are, and juggling touhou and discord for your impotent drama. And now with the calling for aggression and seemingly just ignoring laws, I worry more about the people around you.
(This is all the ego-fanning you'll get from me. No more comments, nothing. You're a disappointment. Not for who you are, but for how you treat the people around you, and I don't want to deal with you in any shape of form)

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That's what the puritans call it and thats who I was referencing.

I didn't call for active violence, but go off.

And I didn't start the fire. Y'all outed me and gave personal info to my abusive father. Then y'all compared me to a rapist, multiple times. And now you just interpret words however you want so you can get angry at me.

My only crime is being petty and not letting your bullshit go, you reap what you sow.

And white gay peeps who aren't affected by shit accept support from everywhere, but the rest of us don't when it's just an excuse to sell us something or get our votes.

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It's fine to call the cops on pride, if the 'pride' is doing something against the law, simple as that.
If someone is doing something illegal, I hope people will call the cops on them, no matter if it has something to do with pride or not, it's that simple!

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I'mma call cops on nude bike runs.

Aslo. fuck the police and fuck people who call them in situations where there abuses of power are more harmful than the actual crime.

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Don't give the emo attention, thats the only reason they post here. Attention.

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Wisest thing said in this tread. We fell for the bait.

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Me too. LOL!

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Wisest thing said in this tread. We fell for the bait.
Me too. LOL!

... and then you both continue to comment repeatedly, more than anyone else in the thread outside of the actual OP.

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Problem being? They're not responding to OP anymore. It's just admitting to being tricked

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They've responded to me like 10 times after this is his point.

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And you consider this a bad or good thing?

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They're annoying and have arguments worse than a first grader so bad.

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Is there anyone you don't consider annoying replying in this thread?

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Tzarr, Sundance85, AwakenBlaze, Kappaking, and while you're kinda annoying you're not that bad.

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Interesting. Someone not interacting with you at all. Someone you were able to correct. Someone calling people disagreeing with you rather rude and troll-like, and a self-professed Alien who don't really have anything to contribute to the topic you're bringing up.

What's the reason I am annoying to you? Is it for mentioning that you seem attention seeking to Tzaar?

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Just not being able to understand basic points, like the one made in tzarr's comment

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Well, I'm not a mind reader. You have high standards for your interactions it seems

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Go argue with timestamps all you fucking like.

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Well, then it comes back to the point of what's the harm of responding to OP in the first place? Clearly it's a person seeking attention so giving some should be considered a good thing right?

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Dude, you're better than this.

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no words.

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i dont think she was ever ok, a big ranter. tons opened tons of steam discussions about random shit and then bitches to everybody about everything. i just came here to dump keys i didnt want and win free games

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I was okay before the people of this site outed me as trans and sent personal information to my abusive father.

I came for the same reason and ended up worse for wear.

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The people of this site, yeah. At least some groups are still great.

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Seems you forget all the people who was worried about you on your breakdown, nice.

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Sending vulnerable info to my abusive father really shows how much they cared, also I didn't have a breakdown then.

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Also, is there a way to reply without bumping the thread?

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no.

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Forums are a decades old format, the rules should be pretty clear at this point.

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Sorry, I haven't spend the past decades on forums. Also, different forums and websites have different mechanics.

Did you just assume my past experience on internet forums?

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I mean if you're still using that joke you're obviously stuck in a time where forums were all the rage.

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It did appear on news sources, not much else was said because the motive was still unclear.
He has his own problems unrelated to the lgbt.

Also if i didn't know better, i would think you are pushing groups towards a violent protest

We need to do something big that they can't hide.

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H-How could you think such a thing!

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Yes, what I said.

It had some news coverage, not a lot.

It was an unrelated protest showing we need to do something big if we want any chance at that national platform that is news media.

And I guess to your point, it also has to have a clear message.

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You know Greta Thunberg?
She just did not go to school...
She did not have to set herself on fire ot start a roit in the streets of sweeden

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Is climate changed denied like it is in america, or is it just ignored? 'cause those are different starting points. And climate change is a cause a lot of people care about, not all cause are. You won't get news covering all causes unless you do perform a shocking action.

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Actually, the current US government is indeed denying climate change. But that's completely beside the point, and only shows to illustrate that if the current government can deny climate change - an issue that effects every single one of us - than odds are bleak for marginalized communities being used as scapegoats.

We need to do something big that they can't hide.

Something like voting all the terrible politicians out of office, and pushing their own party to take drastic measures - like splitting California into 5 states, adding justices to the Supreme Court - to take the country kicking and screaming into a more tolerant future.

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to take the country kicking and screaming into a more tolerant future

Oh the irony

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Every great stride forward in human equality has been forced upon those who wanted to maintain the status quo. The abolition of slavery, women's suffrage, dismantling of apartheid - everything. It's unfortunate, but conservatives in power view any step towards greater equality as a direct threat to their power and will resist it with everything they can.

It's not just human equality, though. Climate change is probably the single greatest threat facing mankind right now - the literal destruction of our planet - and the current US government denies that climate change is a thing - they refuse to even say the words because they've somehow been made political. Cities and towns devastated by unprecedented flooding, tornadoes, and/or hurricanes are struggling to deal with "changing weather conditions" because the mayors in conservative areas dare not say the words "climate change."

But it doesn't even have to be something as abstract and hard to grasp as climate change. There were 323 mass shootings in the US last year - almost one mass shooting a day, every day. There have been 148 mass shootings so far this year, and we're only ~150 days into the year. There were 97 school shootings last year, 32 so far this year. And yet the solution proposed in Florida to combat school shootings is to arm the teachers? The US has the greatest number of civilian guns in the world. The US has more civilian guns than every other country put together, and twice as many guns per person as the next highest country. There are more civilian guns in the US than people. But clearly the problem is that we don't have enough guns. If only we could get more guns into schools, that would surely make schools safer. I gotta hand it to the NRA for being able to convince or strong-arm politicians into passing laws that try to address school shootings by throwing guns at the problem.

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I would not encourage self harm as a protest especially if i couldn't do it myself.
furthermore if it requires violence, the pursuit of an ideology, becomes terrorism

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Sometimes Violence is necessary. I don't think this is the time it is, at least sot violence towards people. but something needs to be done.I think a die in would be good.'

Something has to be done though.

And terrorism is a meaningless label.

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you want to make change stop protesting they get no coverage. i went to one of the biggest ant-war protests and it was only covered on cspan and it was only like 1 speech because i think mlk jr was there. make a commits/group and force laws!

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"A man immolated himself in front of the white house recently and received so little news coverage."
And that is good. Things like this should not spread the news to avoid imitators.

I can understand your anger and pain but "we need to become more extrem so people can hear us" might not help at all.
People already know about LGBT-Rights but they don't care because of there belives or whatever...
You need to educate and not "shock" them.

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B-But I wanna set cars on fire and smash shop windows and stuff....uwu

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That's fucking stupid. The ultimate act of personal matrydoym to give attention to a cause is not a bad thing. People are dying, but you only care when it's visible. Cover it up and let the disenfranched die elsewhere where I can't hear thier screams or see the sadness in thier eyes.

Sitting there tryna appease cis hets while we die isn't helping either, we gotta protest.

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I don't talk to people that can't talk normal...
Thank you and bye.

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Don't take this the wrong way, but it might be good if you considered to see a Psychiatrist

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It definitely would, but they refuse to treat me so :shrug:

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Can see the sarcasm, and I genuinely wasn't trying to be rude. But have you even tried? I'm not so convinced that they'll refuse

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I'm not being sarcastic. I've gone through like a lot, been in therapy since I was 8. The last three have literally stopped treating me 'cause they felt I was a lost cause and could't be helped.

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Didn't the lost cause thing rather have to do with you repeatedly stopping to take your prescribed medication rather than being trans?

I'm not a doctor but if that's the case I can understand why it would be frustrating for a medical professional to try and treat somebody who refuses to be helped and why they would think their time is better spent elsewhere.

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No.Medication stopping coincided with stopping seeing therapist. I went back and tried to get help recently First one was because my anxiety was to crippling to talk to and connect with people and my self image would not improve.second one was because I'm trans and they didn't know how to treat it. Third was because my anxiety was too crippling and my self image wouldn't improve.

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I'm sorry to hear that, saddens me that people would give up on someone, to some degree it also is dependent if you're willing to receive the help and use the advice given. But still giving on someone's well being isn't something we should do. Wish you the best

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"A man immolated himself in front of the white house recently and received so little news coverage."
And that is good. Things like this should not spread the news to avoid imitators.

I definitely agree with you on that but I'm just passing to note that it never stops the media for covering random stranger shootings and "terrorist" attacks ad nauseum. So that clearly only applies in some cases as far as the media is concerned.

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That's a thing too, yes.
You can tell about the victims but don't give the "terrorists" a stage.

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Agreed on every point there. I just wish it was something the media considered no matter the "justification" for the act. Sadly they do not and they participate in the cycle of terror every time a Muslim does something for example. But that's another discussion, I know.

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So let me get this straight. Are you arguing for people having sex during pride parades and then get angry that people get arrested for that?

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I'm not angry at that, just annoyed. That someone who claims to understand and wants to celebrate pride would involve the police in a hostile way.

And Sex is kinda vital to pride, To protest the death it cause through the std that America ignored for years and through gay panic and murders and suicides of gay people. To celebrate our right to have sex with who we want, and to celebrate the sex workers and kinksters who've done so much for the movement.

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You can have sex with who you want (consenting adult), but NOT public places. Having sex in a public place is illegal and the law applies to everyone. How is that hard to understand?

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It's a protest, it's not about abiding to laws, what don't you understand about that?

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So if something is a protest you can kill people, destroy stuff, burn someone alive?

If it is a protest you can act like Hitler but it is OK as long as you scream that it is a protest?

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Because showing your ass and wearing leather morally comparable to those?

I'm not saying that doing illegal stuff in a protest makes it right or wrong, but protests are not about following the law.

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There are various protests that have been held in success that followed the rules of the law

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Very true. Many have also not.Depends on the point of the protest. Also weren't you done talking to me?

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I never said I was done talking to you or anything in that line,you must have mistaken me for some of the other people in this tread :) I'm just trying to have a sensible civil dialogue (if you're cool with that) I do not support any protest that breaks the law, 1st it disregards the rights of others (destroying property for example) and if protesters could not respect other's rights no one will want to respect the protesters rights. So that defeats the purpose there.

and 2nd I live in a country where people protest violently over the smallest things (over privileges not rights) and they even threaten to slaughter innocent lives over it. Things turn violently because our government allowed it to so these people saw that they can get away with anything if they just protest violently.

I acknowledge anyone's right and fight to protest injustice but not at the expense of others rights because you're then doing the exact thing you're trying to fight against (which is insensible and hypocritical)

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I did mistake you for someone else.

I support some protests that break the law depending on the law and the reason/necessity of the action. I don't believe that we should have to follow puritanical standards and public indecency is often a load of bs.

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Well wearing whatever you want and showing your ass I think is OK during a protest if it is what you want that protest to be connected to and remembered as. But if you want to make a protest that will change anything I think it is better to use logic and reason and education instead of just your body just like suffragettes did.

Also showing off will be OK but having public sex will not be ok on any protest and people have the right to call the police.

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Sex is not just piv. Like if a due was fucking some dudes ass in the middle of the street that'd be bad. But collars and masks, and being tied up and making out is the type of sex we're talking about.

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Well I like BDSM but I would not want to be a part of such a protest.

I think that there are things that are private and taste better with people you know and can trust.

And protests should be about changing the world by logic and reason and education. If protests will be about violence and not respecting the rights of other people they will look the same as protests made by religious fanatics.

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kink communities, especially leather are important to pride tho.

Violence is sometimes necessary. It's not at piride. Freedom of expression is a right lgbt people in the kink community have.

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"Violence is sometimes necessary."

No. Violence is never necessary.

Each time there is violence it only create more people who will hate you and be against you and what you stand for. And violence will only breed violence. Each burned car will add 10 more people that will hate you. Each shop a hundred or few hundreds. Each rock throw at the police will make more people hate you. And that rock can hurt or kill someone. You don't want to have blood on your hands and you don't ever want to look in the eyes of family members of the person you killed. That one rock can make some child lose his parent, some parent lose his child, someone lose his love. One death is a tragedy for many people. Violence leads to tragedy.

If you will choose violence and hate there will be a time when you will never again be able to look at yourself in the mirror and your hands will never be clean.

This world needs more love and understanding and logic and reason and education and discussion. Not more violence.

“Violence can only breed more violence and suffering. Our struggle must remain non-violent and free of hatred.”

I know it can be hard but don't hate people just because they don't agree with you or have different worldview.

Instead of hate and violence try to speak with people, try to know them better, what they think and why they think that way. Only by understanding them and yourself you can change the world starting with yourself and people you meet. You are who you are because of all the things that affected your life and it is the same with everyone. If you will be guided by hate you will never understand other peoples and you will never help them to change. Hate will only breed hate. And even if someone will scream hateful things at you remain calm and use logic when speaking with people because maybe you will never change that one hateful person that is screaming at you but maybe other people that will hear what you have to say will think about what you said later and that can change them. Screaming "cis scum" will never make anyone change his mind about you or LGBT it can only make someone hate you and LGBT more and more. And remember that one person freedom can't violate another person freedom.

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So the hati revolution and wwii shouldn't have happened? In some situations violence is necessary. People don't need to listen to logic when they have all the power.

It's definitely not in the situation.

I don't owe it to people tryna kill me to listen to them and show them love. I don't have to educated them, I'm allowed to tell someone who thinks I should have no rights, "fuck you"

And I never screamed cis scum, but go off.

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I'm from Europe so I don't know anything about hati revolution but WWII should never happend. But it did. It did because people full of hate and anger voted for a guy that was as full of hate and anger as they were. So yes WWII shouldn't have happened. But it did. WWII shows how hate and violence turned people into beasts.

People with power are politicians and they have the power because people are divided and hate their neighbour because of their religion or lack of it, because of how they like to do sex or because any other thing. Hate between people is what keeps people with power in power. People united together despite their differences is what scares people with power so they will do what they can to make you hate others.

Yes. You can tell someone "fuck you" but it will never change that person or anyone close for better.

"cis scum" was used as something people like to say instead of using logic and arguments it is the same like screaming "nazi" or other bad words. It will not make the world a better place.

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My goal is to survive, not the people tryna kill us better.

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No problem, while I somewhat disagree with you, I can see how you easily can mistake me for some of these people who are rather rude or troll like.

It's just seems to be one of those things where society have different opinions and different moral standards. It's a not really possible to please everyone it seems, but without trying to be philosophical about it now, I'll just say we can agree or disagree on that.

"I support some protests that break the law depending on the law and the reason/necessity of the action." this for instance would be different to everyone as radical Muslims might believe killing of gay people is fine (while it certainly is NOT in my opinion) but the thing is that is their perspective...their perspective could be wrong, so could mine and so could yours

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I mean, I'm 20, I'm probably wrong on a lot of things, but it's my underdevolped view for rn.

Wasn't even the point of this thread, I'm sad that this has taken up all the discussion.

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A protest is still regulated by the law. Push it further and you'll give an excuse for cops to attack and arrest people.

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Cops don't need the excuse, literally why the protest started.

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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Protest is legal. Sex in public is not. It is you that aren't getting it.

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Yeah, and law enforcement's not about protesting, but about enforcing laws.

That's how protests work. Go ahead and commit a minor illegal act and get arrested. Just like nazis shouldn't be able to harass and attack people, LGBT activists shouldn't be able to have public intercourse. Equal treatment and all that. Nothing makes you less sympathetic to the public than committing crimes. Ya'll have a good cause. Go about preaching it in a good way as well.

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" lgbt people still aren't a federally protected class"

lgbt people aren't a federally protected class in the USA because they are considered and federally protected as people like anyone else and not as "lgbt"

"The Military ban was bad, but last week they started on a plan to remove anti trans discrimination from homeless shelters."

no idea what you're even saying

"They literally want us to die on the street when our parents kick us out for being trans, or when we can't work because we can't get proper treatment for disabilities or mental illness."

if you're underage and your parents kick you out you can get to the police and tell about it. if not then it's your problem. go find a job or seek help if you can find some. i don't see why "lgbt people" should have some sort of special treatment/support. you seem to be asking for what is basically being pampered with free home and welfare from the moment one becomes homeless if they are lgtb. then what with "non-lgbt" homeless people or people who can't work due to disabilities or mental illness that aren't lgbt ? if supports exist for disabilities and mental illnesses i don't think any rule prevents a lgbt person from accessing them on the basis that they would be as such

"We aren't gonna riot, but I hope we do. A man immolated himself in front of the white house recently and received so little news coverage. We need to do something big that they can't hide."

there's a difference between not showing and hiding. and riot for and against what ? you're gonna punch people in the face and break public and private properties (not your owns of course) because you aren't being given money for free while you deem owed to for being lgbt ?

it just seems to me that you find problems where there are noone all while trying to leech and claim things off others, that you pull the lgbt card all around for seeking attention with made up drama and getting free stuff

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lgbt people aren't a federally protected class in the USA because they are considered and federally protected as people like anyone else and not as "lgbt"

Are you stupid? "people" isn't a federally protected class, You can refuse to hire and fire people for being trans or gay.

if you're underage and your parents kick you out you can get to the police and tell about it. if not then it's your problem.

lol. Police don't give a fuck about child abuse unless it's sexual and even then it has to be easily provable. I can tell you've never dealt with them, and your luck for it.

i don't see why "lgbt people" should have some sort of special treatment/support. you seem to be asking for what is basically being pampered with free home and welfare from the moment one becomes homeless if they are lgtb.

Wow, you're really stupid. trans and cis people both have the right to homeless shelters rn, they're tryna make it so that you can prevent trans people access. Homeless shelters were never an advantage lgbt people only got.

then what with "non-lgbt" homeless people or people who can't work due to disabilities or mental illness that aren't lgbt ?

Yes the ones in the homeless shelters? like what are you even talking about.

f supports exist for disabilities and mental illnesses i don't think any rule prevents a lgbt person from accessing them

They're trying to make it so, that's the point.

there's a difference between not showing and hiding.

As much as there is a difference betweeen lying and not giving information, it's just semantics.

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You know, a lot of this is so true.

Mental health awareness and care is bad for EVERYONE in every part of the world. I know people who are not LGBT who committed suicide because they fell through the cracks and no one cared. It's not unique to any minority. There needs to be more awareness and help around mental health in general. I also know someone else who didn't get any help from anywhere until the voices started telling them to harm themselves and others. Then they listened and diagnosed them.

It's really terrible. But I guess the mental health system is for another thread.

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i don't see why "lgbt people" should have some sort of special treatment/support.

I personally think that they definitely should have more support for now. Bad people are out there and while the L and G are very much accepted, the B, T and Q are less so. I personally think we should be supportive until the hate and dislike calms down.

But yeah, otherwise I can't say that I agree with everything she said. A fair amount here seems to be misrepresenting and twisting of facts. Though, issues still prevail and they need to be dealt with. It's a tough topic and there's so much subjectivity involved here.

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lgbt people aren't a federally protected class in the USA because they are considered and federally protected as people like anyone else and not as "lgbt"

If they were, there wouldn't be so many laws being passed right now to ban them from this and exclude them from that, including vital health coverage, homeless shelters, the army etc. I am generally against making laws for every specific individual group as it should not be needed because, like you say, they should be protected as US citizens but obviously it's not enough to prevent discrimination, in some cases fatal discrimination.

if you're underage and your parents kick you out you can get to the police and tell about it.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think happens next?

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Jenni, at least you are living in USA as LGBT person. Try to do that in Bosnia or any other Balkan country. And honestly, Prides should bring awarness about countries where even today being gay or lesbian will probably get you killed legally (like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc).

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Hey. It's not that bad at Balkan states, in 2010 to 2012 pride was a huge deal and hooligans went to abuse the parade. Now news don't even cover pride parades as much, most people have things they need to do and they don't really care for genders and etc as long as it doesn't concern them.

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People like OP do more harm to lgbt image than its haters.

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I agree. In my LGBT+ community people like OP would be (and have been) kicked out pretty quickly for suggesting actual violence on the streets.

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Regardless of your personal opinion about her, if there was no prejudice, then it wouldn't change anything.

If I see a white dude that acts like a fool, I don't assume all white dudes are idiots.

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Maybe not consciously, but everyone subconsciously files away personal experiences and things they've heard or read, and it forms a certain impression that can have more or less of an impact on one's decisions or opinions depending on how conscious is of one's own thought process one is as well as other factors like stress or distraction.

Everyone is hardwired to generalize about things, at least to some extent. It is how our brains work, and it leads to prejudice from all sides to a certain extent. That's never going to be 100% eliminated, and efforts to do so tend to be rather ridiculous. The best we can hope for is to minimize its influence through being conscious of how our brains function, especially when it comes to making conscious decisions.

So no, the fact that OPs behavior reflects poorly on the image of LGBQT people, doesn't really by itself prove there is more prejudice in that direction in general or in specific (from those that might on some level feel that kind of generalization) than towards other groups.

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How are you? I hope you are fine.(´・Θ・`)

I am not humanity, so do not understand very well.
Please do not make a rating of "too much good of things! Bad!", And get along well.(Humans)
Something comes from the sky if it is so terrible. 👽

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I like you. Be good little alien, stay innocent.

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You know OP, the LGTBQ+ community hates guys like you way more than actual simple bigots.

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Weird, I'm pretty active in it and I'm not hated.

Your mom is sad 'cause she feels you're never make a real friend.

I can make shit up too.

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Sigh.. carry on, then. You seem to be a very hateful person. Which is sad, really. But that's none of my business.

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You just said a whole community hates me and implied I'm worse than bigots, bur I'm the hateful one? Go off.

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How's that a valid argument? Reading your replies and your original post here I easily concluded that you feel a very deep hatred. That is not good.

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I didn't even say anything hateful. I'm hateful of laws that will literally lead to trans deaths, but thats justified.

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I love being asexual. And European too. I never get anything about what happens in America. It always looks like a world of its own to me. All the pride things, the flags, the military, federal whatever, white house, whoa we really don't care about all these things here..
Sometimes I get involved into the LGBTWHATEVER+ categories, but I really don't care about sex. Everything's way simpler!

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Sex is really overrated, t can be relaxing sometimes, but it really is just annoying most of the time.

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I'm sorry that you see/feel it this way.

But you won't get more tolerance or at least acceptance, if you throw generalisations around like your ideologic enemies. If you force people to deal with you, it will mostly increase their anger and their prejudices. And last but not least: violence (except of self-defense) isn't tolerable within a democratic society.

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When it's actually democratic sure, i didn't say it was.

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The country you're talking about, is one. You don't need to approve that. Being part of a democratic society also means to accept the majority's voting, even if it doesn't appeal to yourself. You have the possibility to convince them by using democratic utilities (violence not included). Unfortunately, the way you chose here won't convince anyone.

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I didn't say it wasn't. Democracy is about being able to enact change by gaining societies support. But part of that is having to push for change, not just accepting token peace offering the majority gives.

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to push for change, not just accepting token peace offering the majority gives.

Yeah, by information, enlightenment, discussions, peaceful demonstrations and voting.
You're asking for tolerance and equality, but

  • you don't respect other beliefs even if they don't harm you (e.g. religious)
  • you generalise people (cops)
  • you're accusing the whole community for sth. (I probably wasn't even registered here when that happened)
  • you justify violence and hatespeech.

I'm glad that there many others within the LGTB community with way more empathy and integrity. If they were acting like you, nothing would have changed for the better.

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But religious views do harm me.

Also i didn't say anything bad about them this thread.

When cops don't kill is 'cause of heneealizations, I won't generalize them. Also I didn't generalize them anyway, just said fuck 'em.

I didn't justify violence or hatespeech?

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How do religious views harm you? You want your views to be tolerated, they want theirs to be tolerated. As long as you aren't being personally hurt or forced to do something it shouldn't harm you. Despite the crusades, fundamentalist attacks and abuse scandals religion itself isn't bad. And there are many people out there doing good deeds based on regious beliefs. No, I'm not religious.

You mentioned Puritans as counterpart in the OP and wrote this in a reply:

They're also tryna make it so doctors can refuse to treat lgbt people on religious grounds, it's so great.

While doctors are bound to the oath not to hurt their patients, they are only obliged to treat someone in an emergency case. If they have other patients to treat or their praxis is already closed, you can be sent away. Hospitals and doctors on call ofc can't do this, if it's really an emergency case.
Now if the doctor sends you away solely based on being part of LGTB, it's discrimination and thus should be sentenced. But if the doctor refuses this due to religious or somewhat ethic beliefs, it's your personal development against his. Which judge should now decide whose personal development has a higher value? There is no true or false for beliefs. No, I'm not a doctor.

Thanks to health care and competition you should have enough doctors around you to look for one who wouldn't refuse you. The US health care surely isn't good, but that's another topic. And if they'd really want to exclude LGTB from health care in general, I'm on your side.

When cops don't kill is 'cause of heneealizations, I won't generalize them. Also I didn't generalize them anyway, just said fuck 'em.

I assume "heneealization" is just a typo, otherwise I don't know what it should be. You wrote:

And yeah, fuck cops, they shouldn't involved in pride in any way unless they're getting bricks thrown at them again.

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Theres nothing wrong with prejudice towards cops.

Fuck cops? Which? All of them! Why? Because they are cops? Ofc this is a generalisation (of a minority btw. ^^).
They shouldn't be involved in a Pride parade? Well, what's with a gay cop? :P
The cops have to ensure order and security. This affects not only Pride parades, but all parades and demonstrations. Furthermore they are also protecting them against counter demonstrants. Sure you won't like it, if there's only "ACAB" in your narrow mind.
Prejudices towards cops are okay? Just like those towards LGTB? Hypocritical.
I don't know if you could imagine this, but there are people becoming policemen to do sth. good and to help the society. However, they are in the middle of laws (they might not have voted for) and civilians (which can be assholes as well) and criminals (who won't introduce theirselves as such). No, I'm not a cop.

And with those "bricks" you are justifying violence.

You are young and you had bad experiences in your life, so you're angry and hateful. But others had bad experiences as well and hate will neither help you nor anyone around you. If you want to get help or convince anyone, you shouldn't start by treading on their toes.
You wrote above "you reap what you sow", I add another "As the question, so the answer.".

Now Mully's thread hopefully gets more attention.

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Ezra, LGBTQ+ have all the protections anybody else in America gets. You get to vote. You can serve in any position you want at any company you want provided you have the skills and aren't a chode (or maybe you are a chode and they'll hire you because of that to be a CEO - they're all chodes anyways). You can serve in any office in the country in the military. You can run for any office as a politician. You can teach children and have children. You can get married. LGBTQ+ don't get special privilege and the science is far from finished on determining if "Gender Identity" is a real thing or is all in someone's head. You sound damaged and don't have your facts straight.

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You're a fucking idiot.

lgbt people can be refused to be hired and fired for being gay

And the military isn't allowing trans people anymore

You are damaged and don't have your facts straight.

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If you are Gay in the US - a state or federal employer cannot NOT hire you because you're Gay, that would be a HUGE lawsuit. The burden of proof would have to be on the individual, however, to prove that the state or federal employer chose not to hire them specifically because of their sexual orientation.

Businesses have the right to turn away Gay people because they don't want to hire them. That's their right. They shouldn't be forced to hire someone if they don't want to.

And about transgender not being allowed in the military - that's because transgender is not federally recognized as being a "protected class". Which is how it should be. Transgender is a cry for attention.

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States actually can discriminate, but go off.

Do you also agree that private businesses should be allowed to not hire women or only hire white people?

How is transgender a cry for attention when so many live in stealth? We don't want the attention we just want to live our lives.

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A private business should be allowed to hired the most qualified candidate for the role they are applying for that would benefit the company most. If a company deems that a transgender person would be a great fit for the company and would do their job well and not make it all about themselves and claim outrageous privileges, like choosing what bathroom to go to on what day of the week they identify as female or male, then should do well hire to that person.

Companies should not hire people based on their skin tone or their gender.....yet that is exactly what reverse discrimination policies have done. They force companies to hire people who are less qualified based on skin tone and gender....and people in Western and Eastern states with large metro areas LOVE this....yet call the people who call these policies sexist and racist racists, ironically. It's all fucked.

You shouldn't entitle broken and damaged people who scream for attention at every chance they get.

You're fucking wrong about Gays not being hired by states because they're gay. Lambda Legal, you know, the main law organization making cases for Gay people in the US, proved this in 2017. https://www.lambdalegal.org/blog/20170404_court-rules-employers-cant-discriminate-against-gay-employees

GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT. NOT EVERYONE IS OUT TO GET YOU.

You made this post. It's a cry for attention.

Your profile is a cry for attention.

Your manner of dress is a cry for attention.

Everything about you screams "I'm insecure, but I'm not, but I am, but I'm not - love me, give me attention, but only the kind I want otherwise you're a sexist, homophobe racist pig". All of your replies to people in this thread are indicative of this bratty, toxic attitude you brandish about like it's a buster sword.

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Oh you're one of those chuds.

ANd Yeah, companies shouldn't hire based on thier sexuality, that's what's refusing to hire people because they're gay does.

You are a fucking idioit. Why is this article recent then? https://www.lambdalegal.org/blog/20190422_scotus-grants-review-employment-discrimination-lawsuits

"cause it hasn't been decided byu the supreme court so it ain't federally decided and gay people can still be discriminated against? It's nice there was case law, but it ain't real til it's actual law.

ANd yeah no shit I'm tryna gain attention. Towards this.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/05/22/new-trump-rules-discrimination-homeless-trans-people/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/05/24/new-trump-administration-rule-would-weaken-protections-transgender-people-health-care/?utm_term=.4d1f807bdc26

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The lambda link you linked is a case review of 3 cases that are more complicated. It was not clear in those 3 cases if the plaintiffs were fired/discriminated against because they were gay...that's why they are under review. Do you read what you post or just headlines?

And the Trump link....Yeah, fully support that. DId you even read the article? It wants to allow shelters to turn people away who claim they are transgender in sex-segregated/single sex shelters....Are you homeless? Have you ever been homeless? Have you ever been to a shelter? Or are you just a privilged little brat that spouts off about shit you know nothing about? I have been mentally unwell, I have been treated, I have been housed and I have gone on to serve homeless in shelters...You realize shelters are often violent, miserable places, right? You realize that mental illness is more abundant in homeless populations than in any other population, right? Mental illness is the primary reason why people are homeless.. You cannot allow a potentially violent, mentally unwell homeless person to decide they are suddenly transgender and go into a bathroom, WHERE THERE ARE NO CAMERAS, because they want to. WOMEN GET RAPED AND MURDERED IN SHELTER BATHROOMS ALL THE FUCKING TIME. And yet yo claim to be a fucking feminist....you make me sick.

I'm done with you. Don't reply back to me.

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Can I please have the drugs you're taking?

First off, you can't just say you're trans and then get treated as trans. Doctors make you go through so much bs to prove it. Homeless shelters fucking suck, but they're better than freezing to death in the streets, and trans people shouldn't have to face that just 'cause they're trans.

I literally talked about how mental illness was a huge 'cause for homelessness, so yeah, I know.

And trans women get murdered all the time, the solution is not to put them in less safe environments.

I also never claimed to be feminist? Where did you even get that from?

I'm done with you. Don't reply back to me.

You sound like a 14 y/o girl

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Transgender is a cry for attention

Wow.

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Free speech is free speech bruh.

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I know, "bruh". I was not challenging your freedom to say stupid things, I was merely amazed that this kind of thinking still exists in our world.

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People who identify as transgender need delicate psychological help. They're clearly unwell.

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You look for correlation of facts when none exists.
It's like saying every time there's a shooting "clearly those white guys aren't right in the head, they just seek attention" when the issue is obviously more complex than that, and you cannot generalize on every white guy the actions of psychopaths who happen to be white guys.
And honestly, considering the way most transgenders are treated by their family, "friends", and society as a whole, including strangers like you, it's a miracle they make it at all.

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Transgender people live in an interesting world where everything is about them all the time. Anything that goes wrong in a trans persons' life is the fault of the perceived oppression of others. We are all oppressed all the time as humans, yet only LGBTQ+ and people with certain skin tones in the west claim privlege to say they are especially oppressed. Backwards think...and to make taxpayers pay for sex change operations is insane to me so fucking selfish.

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Life must be hard for you believing everybody else is the reason why you struggle. It must all be everyone else's fault, huh?

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I have a house, and a job. I'm alright. Many people like me are literally dying because the don't and the government is trying to take away. the little safety they have left.

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Is SG really the right place to discuss such bullshit?

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It's less of an echo chamber than most places on the internet. If this person just wanted to hear their own opinions echoed back at them, they would have fled to Reddit where they would have received Gildings and been pat the on the back for being so brave. Here, they waded into the shit and muck and are dealing with real people who have differing viewpoints to their own.

Conflict is good. It helps us place ourselves with more accuracy.

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Is sg really the place to do such bs like out someone as trans and give private info to their abusive father?

If you're gonna out me as trans, I'mma give you trans issues.

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You know, best way to not to be outed is to shut up...

I don't air my most sane political believes here either...

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I didn't 'til y'all outed me.

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Did the user know you in real life? What Ekaros said rings true to an extent. People can't out you if you haven't told them who you are.

That doesn't mean that this should've happened though. Takes a pretty fucked up person to do something like that. Though, taking steps to keep yourself safe is also an important thing. After all, you lock your doors at night and avoid making public scenes. I don't know the whole situation, so I'm giving both sides here. And even when truth comes, no matter what it is, both sides ring true. The question's just to what extent either side covers.

I hope you're doing better than at that moment.

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you do realize you initiated that? that's exactly why you shouldn't give your private information to random people on the internet.
And if i remember correctly, that personal information was sent because you were contemplating suicide.

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I didn't initiate that. My suicide attempt was not initiating y'all outing me and sending personal info to an abuser.

And Sending personal info to an abuser is a great way to make a suicidal personal feel better.

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y'all outing

it would be more beneficial to you, not to pile people into groups, not everyone is out to get you
that's fine, that exactly my problem with your behaviour. Your need of attention always seem to worsen your situation

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This community United to five that information away and then the entire community attacts me everytime I post. This community is literally a group and I will have no shame treating it as such.

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"entire community attacts me everytime I post."
Wonder why. Read the OP yourself.
But nah, it's all our fault and groupthinking. Can't have anything to do with your content or how you reply to everyone. IMPOSSIBLE.
You tell everyone to fuck themselves and they hate you. How the heck did THAT happen? Who ever saw that coming.

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I'm not saying its not deserved. But so is my generalization.

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You're as much a member of this community as any other user - do you hold yourself responsible for the actions of whichever individuals contacted your father? Of course not. That would be the height of stupidity. And yet everyone else on the site, including the 99.9% who weren't remotely involved, including even those who have no idea who you are, including even those who joined after it happened - you think it's justified to treat them however badly you want, because the whole community is equally responsible?

That is a towering, steaming heap of intellectual dishonesty.

Let's be honest - this is defensive hostility 101.
Treat everyone you meet with contempt on the pretense that they are all against you;
Feel vindicated when they mirror your own behaviour;
Repeat ad infinitum, becoming more adamant and entrenched with every loop.

I'm not against you. The issues you raise are almost always things I am concerned about. And yet I would not dream of entering into a discussion with you, because they are - without exception - deeply frustrating and counterproductive.

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I remember your sorta threads and I had inkling you were trans before it all happened, but that's the risk you take if you leave that info anywhere but your own head, it can come back to bite you in the ass. So that's that. But it turned out alright for you, and I'm glad about that.

Anyways this thread is derailing, because it kinda feels very out of place the way you gave your opinion in OP. People just read stuff like

I'mma go piss on an amerikkan flag.

and see your profile and there we go.

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I mean, the shit directly affects me, I'mma comment on it. This ain't a discusiion thread it's a venting and I guess semi awareness thread. Mostly venting about bs I've seen this week.

I'm gonna actively disrespect a country who wants me dead, I've got no shame it it.

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But don't be shocked when people disagree and even get mad.

First of all, this is politics, so it'll be intense for people. People are much more intense about it than video games, movies or whatever else like it.
Second of all, it's social politics, so it'll be politics overcharged. Subjective opinions mixed in with morals and feelings. This will be a hot and sensitive topic.
Third of all, you're addressing nationalism. Patriotism. Not some stereotypical ultranationalism either. You're disrespecting a country that millions feel indebted to. They might defend it.

Feel free to make these threads. I personally don't have a problem with it. But if you're throwing verbal punches, expect people to throw them back.

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I didn't start with the insult. Blind patriotism is a bad thing, and that's what we teach in school. I was taught to idolize General Lee, who when given the chose to fight against or for the freedom of my people, fought agaisnt it because only because it was an opinion of the state that birthed him.

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Blind patriotism is a bad thing, and that's what we teach in school.

I hope you'll try to see the other side here. This isn't blind patriotism. It's you saying you'll urinate on their country's flag. It's disrespectful and people won't be happy over it. Patriotism (and this most definitely isn't just blind patriotism) doesn't mean you can't criticize your own country. Just means that you respect it. You aren't respecting the country, so people have an issue with it. Like with any argument, you can't expect people to respect you if you don't respect them. You tend to assume the worst in people, which is evident in multiple of your comments here. That's your choice, of course. But you won't win any favors by bunching people who empathize with you into the same group as those who have wronged you.

Make up your own mind about these things and talk about them, but don't preach it and don't disrespect those that don't agree with you. LGBT rights have proceeded this far solely because the other side has been respectful. This only regresses these rights. Don't harm yourself indirectly.

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If that's the case, I hope you reported that person to the support and gave them all the evidence for it. Hopefully support also banned him. This is a serious problem, if it's as one-sided as you claim.

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support was in on it. They see it as a good thing. I mean, I came out after they outed me so 'I got help' and all is good.

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You're making a huge accusation here, you do realize that?
If this is truly the case, then make a thread on here showing the proof and staying on point with your statement. Don't assume ill will and be as objective as you can be. Don't assume you're right and instead let the people decide. If they agree, then shit will obviously change here. You're currently accusing the moderators of conspiring against you, discriminating against you and dishing out unjust punishments. I hope you realize what accusations you're presenting here. This currently would be the biggest injustice done on this site then.

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No... But mods haven't stopped other sort of BS before...

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My threads get closed and I get banned literally every time, please go cry your fake bs.

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Hopefully with your shitty attitude they do so again very soon.

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The article, that you quote above, makes an outcry about the following:

"Under the proposed rules, shelter providers are entitled to assign sex based on “privacy, safety, practical concerns, religious beliefs, any relevant considerations under civil rights and nondiscrimination authorities [and] the individual’s sex as reflected in official government documents,” in addition to a person’s chosen gender."

I'm sorry, but being opposed to this kind of guidelines, you are simply advocating an excessive freedom to trans-gender people ("I'm not legally a woman, I don't look like a woman, but I feel I'm a woman, so I have a right to be sheltered with women, no matter how much discomfort it may cause to them").
Not talking about all the homeless peeping toms and park exhibitionists (and sure those are also in the homeless population, like in every other), that otherwise would be able to demand to be sheltered in their perverted heaven by just stating, that they demand respect to their chosen gender.

Well, you do get something wrong. Justice and no-discrimination is not about you getting all the rights, but about balancing your right with the rights of other people. Don't be so full of your own sensibilities, to forget and ignore the sensibilities of other people.

Yup, sure, your chosen/destined way of life is not easy, but it does not mean, that you have an exclusive right to bash at others. And if you really gonna "piss on an amerikkan flag", would you be so kind to renounce the American citizenship first?

You say: "We need to do something big that they can't hide." You may be right on this point. How about going to one of LGBT-friendly EU countries, say Estonia for example, and being there renouncing the US citizenship and beginning a fight to get an asylum as a person discriminated in your country of origin? That sure would be hard, but sure would also get a lot of coverage in EU media, so later also in US. Sure, pissing is much easier, but only makes folks, who don't appreciate you, more pissed at you... not exactly the result, that you should strive to achieve.

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"Generally speaking, Western European militaries show a greater tendency toward inclusion of LGBT individuals. As of 12 April 2019, 19 countries allow transgender military personnel to serve openly: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bolivia, Canada, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom. Cuba and Thailand reportedly allowed transgender service in a limited capacity.. In 1974, the Netherlands was the first country to allow transgender military personnel." (Wikipedia)

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Generally speaking, Western European militaries show a greater tendency toward inclusion of LGBT individuals.

And amerikkka doesn't so what's your point?

The fact that you think becoming an expat would produce any media coverage is hilarious. I'd have to steal state secrets first, and I can't join the military. Plus Chelsea already has that covered. Also, moving to another country is not cheap, I can barley afford my medication yo.

It is a good result though. I'm not tryna gain support with my act, I wanna show contempt and disrespect to a country tryna kill me. And fuck flag worshipers.

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Becoming just an expat would indeed not produce any media coverage. Renouncing the citizenship, while fighting a hard, prolonged and probably not successful battle to get a humanitarian asylum in any Western European country, certainly would.

Especially, if the chosen country was Germany or France, the controversy here would likely be huge, and the coverage would spread pretty fast (ofc, with help of local LGBT communities).

Last, but not least. Very sadly, but saying here: "and fuck flag worshipers", you are really saying: "and fuck all those that have different values and believes, than I do". Doesn't leave much space for any discussion, or even for a peaceful cohabitation, does it?

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lol, you're precious. America doesn't give a shit about world politics outside of the royal wedding.

And no, I mean fuck flag worshipers. Fuck people who treat the flag like a religious artifact that find someone pissing on, burning, tearing down, or not flying at the right height a grave offense to their country and identity.

It's a political statement, not a murder.

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How about going to one of LGBT-friendly EU countries, say Estonia for example, and being there renouncing the US citizenship and beginning a fight to get an asylum as a person discriminated in your country of origin? That sure would be hard, but sure would also get a lot of coverage in EU media, so later also in US. Sure, pissing is much easier, but only makes folks, who don't appreciate you, more pissed at you... not exactly the result, that you should strive to achieve.

Howdy, Estonian person here.

There's no gay marriage here. We have a cohabitation law. Basically same-sex couples can live together and sign a contract where they basically are afforded the same legal rights as any legal couple would.
Currently we're in a situation where a right-wing party (Estonian Conservative People's Party) has gained a fair amount of seats during the election a couple of months ago and they are... let's say, disliking of anything that is "unnatural". So, no gays, no transgenders and so on. They're hypocrites of course, which is evident from reading their platform, but the point is that while this isn't a terrible place for any LGBT people (definitely the worst for T), but it's not a haven either. But then again, no country really is.

As for applying for asylum.. I'll be honest, this probably won't even count as discrimination really since discrimination isn't the same when dealing with citizenships.

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"We need attention. Need to go all ISIS!"
"Why does everyone hate us (me)"

No fucking clue.

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I totally said we should bomb the white house, wtf are you smoking?

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it will be refreshing to see the LGBT playing some kickass ISIS tunes

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Beheading people they claim to be homophobe set to George Michael and Boy George tunes...

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No giveaway for reading this?

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I'mma be banned by the end of the day so you wouldn't receive it for a while anyway.

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Probably for asking people to donate.

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or adding links to other sites that aren't SG /s

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Do those sites have shops?

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Sorry for attatching this to your post but reading this part of the thread makes me feel so out of the loop and it feels good. Just wanted to share that for some reason.

Although it's comforting to see many well formulated and insightful posts as well

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Damn, I thought you left. I really regret tryna make peace with you.

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I agree xarabas. Can I make a post and use it as my personal blog too?

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First, I dont think this is the right place for discussing such a niche political ideology especially that we are multi-nationals here, so your country's discrimination will not apply to most of us. Secound, PISSING ON YOUR NATIONAL FLAG? thats treason and shows a lack of unity from your part. You should do your best to make better, not demolish what your ancestors built generations ago, even if you dont agree with it, nudge it to the correct direction.

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It's not treason, the constitution allows this. I don't respect a country that is tryna kill me, and my ancestors were slaves or hadthier land stolen, I have no loyatly to this nation.

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Your ancestors were slaves who became free man. They ended up giving you a chance to make a difference, even if its your close community. If you dont want lgbt people on the streets you should organise a homeless shelter for those who are rejected. Also your country doesnt want to kill you, they want you to be useful for them. If you wash their hand they help you out, its simple. As for no loyalty, thats just lack of character and discipline.

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They are trying to legalize refusing treatment and shelter to trans people, which will lead to deaths of many of us.

I am loyal to my communities because we support each other, not loyal to a land simply because we were born here.

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Why is crap like this allowed on here?

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Freedom of speech?
You can use ESGST and "ignore" users posts though.

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Freedom of speech exists in public, not necessarily on a private company's private message boards. It's actually their freedom of speech to say who is allowed to speak on THEIR servers.

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You were asking a question and I was giving you a possible answer. That's all.
It's their freedom of speech to say who is allowed to speak on their servers and obviously they chose to apply it by letting "this crap allowed on here".

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Ya know, rainbow flag is not lgbt flag. But lgbt doesn't care

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The rainbow flag is the LGBT flag...

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LGBT adopted the flag in 1978 in San Francisco. It's not their creation. It represents other things to other people.

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It doesn't matter what it represents to other people. Maxakagaret was saying "it's not the LGBT flag". It is. If to other people it's something else, good for them. Nobody trademarked it.

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Nope. LGBT "assign" this flag in 1978. But long before different social and nation groups used. For example in 1525 In german The Internal God Alliance used rainbow flag. (the first historical using of rainbow flag ya know) Too old? Ok, in 1961 "Bandiera della Pace" started to use this flag. The aautor of this flag was Aldo Capettini. Or you can see, that inks and aymara used this flag. So, no, rainbow flag is not own by LGBT.

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It's not "owned" by anyone. You were saying "it's not the LGBT flag". It is. That's what most people will think of now when they see it. It doesn't matter who else used it historically.

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Well, may be my English so bad, but as I understood, this girl... erhm... nope (too much woman discr.), human....(no, it's elfs and animals discr.)... oh, yes I found this - this creature told, that it's wrong to commercialize rainbow flag, because it's lgbt flag. Do I misunderstand her words?

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Hmm... One wonders why people think that this sort of messaging will make them taken seriously...

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