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Ukrainian soldiers' Facebook accounts targeted by hackers, Meta says
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-07-22/h_15b376da017ef960d6d2a74f2de27e07
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Facebook parent company Meta detailed Thursday an array of shady cyber tactics that it says groups linked to Russia and Belarus are using to target Ukrainian soldiers and civilians.
The tactics the groups are using include posing as journalists and independent news outlets online to push Russian talking points, attempting to hack dozens of Ukrainian soldiers' Facebook accounts, and running coordinated campaigns to try to get posts by critics of Russia removed from social media, according to Meta.
A hacking group known as "Ghostwriter," which cyber experts believe is linked to Belarus, attempted to hack into the Facebook accounts of dozens of Ukrainian military personnel, the company said.
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Russia's invasion brought a "huge surge in attacks against social media accounts via mass reporting," said Vadym Hudyma, co-founder at Digital Security Lab Ukraine, an organization that helps secure the online accounts of journalists and activists.
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It tied the fake accounts to people previously sanctioned by the US government. The accounts and websites run by this influence operation do not appear to have been very successful in reaching a lot of people, according to data reviewed by CNN.
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When people check things out in chronological order, it seems to me that it usually takes about a week to add a report about the truth or falsehood.
It was on the Internet!"
That does not equal "truth".
"I've heard stories like that."
Let's consider this level of recognition to the extent that it does not become a mental burden.
After a month has passed, if the truth of the news report has not changed, it is a good idea to make a new perception.
It is important to check for blogs or Twitter feeds of public or well-known news organizations regarding the authenticity of those stories before attempting to tell the stories to others.
Most of the time, those that repeatedly claim "this is the truth" have anywhere from a few drops to a large number of lies in the mix.
The really good liars use a combination of true reports and false reports as their basis.
And the less confident they are of the truth, the more they insist on repeating the same thing over and over to convince themselves.
Truth and confidence can only be gained through the accumulation of facts.
And the statements of those who do not adhere to Guideline will not be worthy of any credibility.
ăFor example, they make a series of posts that make the evacuation information of war victims difficult to read, or post the same information over and over again.
Posting links to videos or images without explanation that violate the terms and conditions.
Think of such behavior as a BOT, not as the deeds of a person.
Would humanity, not Russia, not Ukraine, not the EU, not NATO or USA China...etc, do the act of mocking the misfortune of civilians?
Please keep that in mind as well.
Now, think back to what you heard around February 24 in the country you are in.
Which of the stories you heard at that time did you think were true and which were false?
People may want to pull out their old newspapers.
They say only a horse can make the same mistake, but what do you think?
This carrot is the only truth.( *'Î')ĎđĽđ´<Believe blindlyâŞ
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UN suspends Russia from Human Rights Council
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/07/politics/un-russia-human-rights/index.html
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Ukraine on Fire(2016), a very good documentary piece. You should definitely give it a watch.
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I did, sometime ago, so I might not recall everything perfectly.
I would strongly disagree that it is a good documentary, but its good if someone wants to actually get to better know the context of the Russian accusations, that are meant to advocate a brutal aggression of sovereign country (after countless denials during the pre war period, stating It is not going to happen )
Firs of all, somethings should be made clear first. Namely it is simply a propaganda piece.
propaganda, dissemination of information â facts, arguments, rumors, half-truths, or lies â to influence public opinion.
to influence public opinion
- The de facto author Oliver Stone is well known from his political views that are clearly sympathetic towards Russia, which is presented here as victim. Even more so the pro Russian ex-president is painted here as concerned & peaceful leader - clearly a victim. The agenda is clear.
facts, arguments, rumors, half-truths, or lies
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The core of the film is based on guesswork, based mostly on spoken world of i.a. Vladimir Putin, ex president Victor Yanukovych, his subordinates. The fact that it provides no hard proof apart from those statements is enough to call most of the presented information as conspiracy theories.
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This work simply doesn't make any effort to present some wider, two-sided perspective. The interviews doesn't ask any difficult questions to the afore mentioned interviewees & the whole story is presented plainly in a certain narrative to victimize afore mentioned parties. For example, no mentions of controversies around Yanukovych's presidency, which is quite relevant aspect here.
It does show some shameful events of recent turbulent history of Ukraine. Yet it does so, plainly to fit the narrative & without that in depth view. It's just throwing events at viewer to assess certain impression. Again highly manipulative.
All in all it doesn't really give you a strong and solid perspective that would oppose to the one presented in western media. I just shows you a certain narrative in a manipulative manner.
I didn't expect much from this documentary, but it still failed to deliver. I would really like to know more about the complicity of politics over that time, but it simply isn't there or is presented in a manner I've described above.
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Same can be said about western media and all of your statements above. Its just propaganda without any actual proof but a lot of guess work. Without even trying to present or understand the other side you just so effortlessly label it as as a propaganda, Russian accusations and narrative. You do realize with time certain things change. What was unthinkable few years back now can be quite real and normal. Maybe sometimes you are forced to do something you didn't think you would have to.
Oliver Stone was not an author but an executive producer of the documentary. Documentary was written by Venessa Dean. Basic google search would give you that simple information. That just shows me how clueless you are. Secondly Oliver Stone is, one might say, far leaning leftie. Saying that he is well known as sympathizer of Russia and Putin is far fetched because there are no indications of that in his career at all. There is only one indication, if you count a documentary that he didn't even write, in 2016. Calling something a propaganda, conspiracy theory etc. doesn't actually make it so.
Core of the film is not based on a guess work. Most of the documentary is based in cold stone facts. In the documentary you have maybe a few minutes of Putin speeches or parts of the interview. Didn't 42 people burn to death in that building in Odessa? Didn't Soros fund many NGO's that infested every single pore of Ukrainian politics, education, media and society spreading hatred against pro Russia people? Isn't ex Georgian president Saakashvili, now a jailed man in Georgia, paid 200 thousand dollars directly from US for governing Odessa? Didn't a leaked call between US ambassador in UA and U.S. A.S. of State Victoria Nunes talking about forcefully removing a current government actually happen? What about a footages of multiple US senators visiting UA and Azov battalion and saluting them prior to the most recent war? I can go on and on but you get the point, I hope. Most of this documentary was factual, maybe one sided a bit, but nevertheless factual.
And what are those controversies around Yanukovyches presidency? That a mob violently, with international backing, forced another set of elections so he can finally lose? Angry mob decided the election, not votes. Yushchenko didn't even have 3/4 of parliament votes to resume his presidency yet everyone on the West jumped at the opportunity to call it a legitimate transfer of power.
Again, it is a reactionary piece of course, otherwise it wouldn't even make a sense to make it. The one's that are presented in Western media might be and probably are mostly false, so something is clearly needed to counter balance their propaganda. I might add most of these recent news in the media and social networks are completely fishy and should be at least taken with a grain of salt. Yet I don't see any of you doing that. You are just defending one side whilst attacking the other based on nothing but what your informants want to tell you.
For the end I would like you to tell me where I can find a piece where previous and current situation in Ukraine is presented in a manner that you think is fair. That will tell me a lot about you and your way of thinking.
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Im sorry for a late response. Unfortunately I donât have as much time I would like to have for such discussions. So please, understand that Iâll try to keep it concise & straight to the point. Also Iâll suggest a different approach, since I see no point in discussing each single aspect of this film.
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Propaganda
Itâs more than obvious, that in its wide understanding propaganda is ubiquitous not only in media, but also advertisment etc. Unfortunately, the vastness of its definition makes it hard to discuss in certain examples. I would still argue that propaganda comes in many forms. In my opinion this movie is an example of far-fetched propaganda, based on not only extremely one sided narrative that is not based on evidence, but strictly on a speculative reinterpretation of true events. Its aim is solely to undermine the common narrative, not to proof anything (since it lacks any evidence).â¨â¨Also it strikes me odd, how easely you label western media as propaganda. How you advocate caution & objectivism, yet in this case you seem to undermine your principles stating: âMost of this documentary was factual, maybe one sided a bit, but nevertheless factual.â -
Film authroship
Iâve used the term âde factoâ to describe how I see it. Looking at the promotional materials it iss obvious that Stone is presented as the âauthorâ. In amecrian cinema it is not uncommon to view producer as author. The âauteur theoryâ, which associate the authorship with the director apply to certain production scheme & doesnât apply to every film. So please spare me implying ignorance. Regarding Oliver Stoneâs views. I see no sense in discussing it. Seems obvious to me, but anyone can judge for him self obviously. -
Presented facts
I do not say it doesnât show true events. It does, but in a certain narrative & in a highly speculative manner. For example claims that the protestors were shot by provocateurs is a conspiracy theory, based on speculation and Russian narrative. In my opinion it can hardly be called factual. Another fact is Ukraine has it problems with far-right extremists. Itâs true about any country basically. Yet here it has its tragic consequences (events in Odessa). Still I find it hardly factual, to present some extremists in a manner that suggests it is representative of a whole nation, whereas in fact its minority. For example, collective effort of far right political parties has failed miserably to pass the 5% election threshold, amassing 2.15% in 2019 elections. That is of course after the film was made, but even earlier in 2014, the right wing Svoboda didnât actually pass the election threshold with 4.71%; whereas Right sector had 1.80%. All in all I find it hardly factual to present actions of minorities as representative of whole nation.
Didn't a leaked call between US ambassador in UA and U.S. A.S. of State Victoria Nunes* talking about forcefully removing a current government actually happen?
The conversation doesnât say anything about âforcefully removingâ anyone. Itâs presented in this way, through commentary of Robert Parry (Investigative journalist) .To me all it proves is that US officials are delusional & willing to interfere in internal affairs of other countries as they please. Yet such talks are nothing shocking actually. I donât understand how this is supposes to undermine the honesty of the people movement that led to removal of President Yanukovych from office.
â¨*Nuland btw. Not Nunes (?)
â¨â¨â¨I said I would like to propose a different approach to this discussion if you want to continue.
How about you present us all with your concise interpretation of why this is a good documentary, instead of asking bunch of questions about some events portrayed there or just repasting the link with almost no comment? What are your overall conclusions? What are we supposed to learn from it? What is its importance in a current context, namely the Russian aggression? So far I fail to see your perspective.
Edit: corrected formating
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Anderson Cooper on the war in Ukraine and the Russian 'media bubble': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtJDsXzciwI
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Good one. But I was surprised when Colbert suggested that Russia (already) is the poorest European country. Maybe among the greater powers, sure.
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Scott Ritter is a big liar (he has many other sins). He tries to blame the Ukrainians.
But the pro-Putin were wrong to take his bullshit as arguments. Scott Ritter tweeted (according to Newsweek):
"The Ukrainian National Police committed numerous crimes against humanity in Bucha. Biden, in seeking to shift blame for the Bucha murders onto Russia, is guilty of aiding and abetting these crimes. Congratulations America... we've created yet another Presidential war criminal!"
When so many pro-Putin spend their time saying there is absolutely no war crime at Bucha. Scott Ritter says numerous crimes against humanity have taken place in Bucha.
Pro-Putin don't even read their own propaganda bullshit.
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Ukraine war: 30 killed in rocket attack at Kramatorsk train station being used by refugees to flee conflict
https://inews.co.uk/news/ukraine-war-kramatorsk-train-station-russia-rocket-attack-deaths-1564134
What's interesting about this is that right after the attack with Tochka-U with 'for the children' written on it pro-kremlin channels cheerfully celebrated that Russia just landed a hit against 'Ukrainian terrorists'.
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https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-08-22/h_a53bdded43ca47b60994a038ff05ae88
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At least 27 killed, 30 injured in missile strike on Kramatorsk railway station, regional spokesperson says
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https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-08-22/h_67b3330d6810c23c9b3143eaca5add21
1 hr 6 min ago
"Dozens" dead and injured after missile strike on Kramatorsk train station
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The eastern city of Kramatorsk was one of the first places to be targeted by the Russian military when the invasion of Ukraine was launched on February 24.
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The station is a transportation hub, as Russia is aware of the recent information about the evacuation corridor.
Considering that this is where the earliest attacks on Ukraine took place, it is not hard to imagine that the Donbass region will be much tougher in the future :(
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I can already here all of the ruzzian bot three brain cells working hard trying to come up with scenarios how to blame Ukraine for this.
I bet it's going to be along the lines of how russians tried to "evacuate" people to russia but Ukraine killed them all for some made up reason.
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another fake, that rocket is Tochka U, note shark fin, it's in the middle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21_Tochka
which russian is Iskander, where fins are at very back side https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K720_Iskander
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https://twitter.com/girkingirkin/status/1512352875841736707 - so at first you propagate that it was your offensive against alleged UA military forces. And once (as always) it's proven otherwise you deny claims ? Getting lazy here
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Tochka-U are not used by russians, they are obsolete and not accurate at all!
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According to your own wiki article Russia used them up to 2020 when "allegedly" they should have been switched to the new Iskanders.
There is absolutely zero possibility they "destroyed" rockets they already had and seeing how horribly they are doing in UA now there is absolutely no chance they haven't dipped in the "obsolete" pile of weapons and rockets.
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it's not mine, it's anglo-saxon, which means fake, as seen at ... by 2020.[citation needed]
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OTR-21_Tochka&action=history
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Which point of COOPERATIVE did you missed?! Belarus has 36 of those, you can't make a cooperation using unknown vehicles!
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Ok, I'll give you that - it needs citation to be credible. Doesnt change the fact Russia had these rockets (and most likely still have)..
but this .. lol, made me laugh.. keep on the circus :)
it's anglo-saxon, which means fake,
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Not a single one was pictured in Ukraine with Z or V, that drives what conclusions?
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There actually are numerous videos of Tochka U launchers moving to UA that are sporting Z and V
But I suppose its all fake anyway in your opinion
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Must be another anglo-saxon movie, yeah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTInwudy0mU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peJpvO4oDa8
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Actually, this time it might actually be Ukrainian missile, as it flew from south-western direction, i. e. Ukrainian-controlled territories, judging from position of the tail section of the rocket, which separates from the head shortly before impact, and it's in SW direction from the station.
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Might. Or might not. Tochka-U, at least in some of its warhead modifications, autocorrects its pitch axis, so position of trail section alone doesn't mean shit as rocket's trajectory right before the impact is affected by outer forces and too unstable. Sadly, I wasn't able to find any videos of the moment of attack itself with visible flight trajectory (like how it was in Belgorod where thanks to said video CIT were able to determine it was missile from Russian territory) so far. However, there are some interesting indirect hints:
- Shortly before the attack (~20 minutes) there appeared a video from Shakhtarsk (controlled by Russia) with two rockets launching.
- From night of April 7th to morning of April 8th pro-kremlin channels recommend those evacuating do not use railroads
- Again, pro-kremlin channels shortly after the attack claimed that they landed an attack on Ukrainian terrorists
Ed. Just found an article from CIT, adding it here and also a picture from it:
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Tochka rockets are used by ruSSia army!
Obsolete? They are using Grads against cities, so dont tell me anything about obsolete weapons...
Bad accuracy - 150m is enough for denazification of escaping civilians on railway station
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Erm, did you even read what I wrote? Or the article itself? I literally said it's Tochka-U. Which is still being used by Russian Army, just not as widely:
https://t.me/Hajun_BY/1509
https://twitter.com/CITeam_en/status/1500475853490343936
https://twitter.com/MotolkoHelp/status/1504828927562424321
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Russian Tochka-U ballistic missiles return to service amid Ukraine war
Of course, you can dispute that this is western media, so it's fake, etc. but it wouldn't be surprising to see Russia use them despite their claims. Their denials, make it even more convinient for Russia to use them for false flag attacks. It's reminescent of many assurances that they are not going to attack Ukraine, until they obviously did.
All in all, only time will - hopefully - tell. I see no point in discussing it any further at the moment. One thing is sure, this yet another tragic event occurring in this terrible war.
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Or when they lied that no conscripts were part of the invasion. Just that this lie fell apart when conscripts reported home or became POW. The Russian government lies about everything, for as long as they possibly can.
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like in the start of the war in 2014:
- there are no ruSS troops on UA soil - till they catch some - and they said thet they lost the orientation
etc etc
lies lies lies
nation build on lies
cant even admit and apologize for working with Hitler and starting WWII
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All "alternative" RT-like media around the world next days:
"The situation is not as explicit as it seems at first glance..."
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EU anger erupts: Guy Verhofstadt rages at Brussels' inaction in furious speech
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1592182/Verhofstadt-EU-plenary-russia-sanctions-gas-oil-ukraine-vn
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The only "marvelous" aspect about Russian misinformation campaigns is how amateurish most of them are, yet there are so many desperately clinging to them as if they couldn't possibly register that these campaigns even exist.
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saw that too, made me laugh.
still works on Zombie nation though. putin tv never lies!
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All "alternative" RT-like media around the world next days:
"The situation is not as explicit as it seems at first glance..."
RT-like media in Russia (screenshoted):
"Glorious Putin's rockets landed at Kramatorsk railway station. Working on Ukranian terrorist forces!"
https://t.me/eshkinkrot/26165
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Usual reaction from ruZZia:
- This is fake!
- Okay, maybe not fake, but Ukrainians did it themselves
- Okay, it was made with ruzzian equipment, but it's a provocation against HOLY ruZZia!!111
- Well, we did it, but they were all nazis, even small children, so they deserved it.
In this case, there's another step: We did it! No wait, stop, we didn't, it wasn't us!!!11
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Today, relatives of my father's acquaintances arrived from Ukraine. They said that during the evacuation, Ukrainian soldiers shot at their backs and, if not for the Russian soldiers, they would not have survived. Now my father accuses me that I am on the side of the Ukrainians because I watch TV. Now he will trust RT-like media even more.
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and you watched cnn, where they say bla-bla kyiv says!
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I don't watch cnn, I watch youtube, reddit and to be objective, I read svoboda.org and aggregators: yandex.ru/news and newsland.com, there are many government and opposition articles. The government ones usually contradict each other.
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he watches Putin Today, the most honest and independent from the West channel
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Russia revokes registration of Amnesty, Human Rights Watch: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-revokes-registration-amnesty-human-rights-watch-ministry-2022-04-08/
Nothing says "we have nothing to hide" quite like revoking Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. /s
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DW News
Fact Checking - Debunking myths and separating facts from fiction - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLT6yxVwBEbi1mkjHIfrGBSWeKSlwMRwtW
Fact-checking - Open
https://www.open.online/c/fact-checking/
Hmm..đ
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Just wait, now russians will explain to you that DW is lying. They never admit their crimes, no matter how many evidence there is.
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True.
NATO/US killed some civilians as collateral damage, it sadly happens everywhere. There was even friendly fire, prob few times. They took the blame and apologized.
ruSS ?? never, not a single time
Still waiting to hear they are sry for invading Poland in 1918, just after acquiring independence from ruSS occupation (sic!!!!). For starting WWII hand in hand with Hitler, and Invading Poland 17.09.1939 and all genocide during the WWII they did to Poland and after the war. And for occupation of Poland 1945-1989.
They even tried to put blame on Germans for what they did to Polish ppl in KatyĹ/SmoleĹsk/OstaszkĂłw/KharkĂłw and MANY other places like that. They forced Poles to move to Siberia and other places in ruSS, exactly like they are doing now with Ukrainians.
What kind of nation do that over and over again ? Kill, invade and lie ALL the frickin time.
pathetic country
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If Minsk is Poland, then yes, it was the occupation of Poland. In August 1919 it was. You don't have to look at part of the story, you have to look at it all.
https://topwar.ru/82483-sovetsko-polskaya-voyna-1920-goda.html The website is in Russian.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Warsaw_(1920)
not minsk at all
and nazi ruSS were going to stop at west coast of Europe, like portugal or sth...
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First decide, then demand.
Well, first there was a successful offensive, which I reminded about Minsk, and then a shameful flight to Warsaw. Although the USSR first had a shameful retreat, and then a victorious campaign and obtaining advantageous positions under the contract.
And so yes, Stalin was still wrong that he gave the order to go and help the Warsaw uprising, with almost no preparation for them. You could have waited, set up logistics and then calmly go. There would have been fewer casualties among Soviet soldiers.
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The former is DW; Germany.
I believe the latter was an Italian-led fact-checking agency.
It would be safer than trusting a totally unreliable fact-checking agency that was suddenly set up on February 24.
Better to check if that fact-checking agency or Twitter account is years old.
Russian citizens can get multiple pieces of information if they want to believe what the Russian government says.
You may want to look for media outlets in South America and Africa, which the Russian government claims to be friendly to.
Russian sugar comes mainly from Brazil.
Sugar...surely a good sounding word would be sweet.đ§
In reality, the acquisition of information is restricted by censorship.... :(
I pray that all will be able to return to a peaceful life.
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Thank you info(o'Î'))
They need to list those fact-checking agencies and state that they will check before posting questionable content.
That's what I was thinking, but the onslaught of posts two days ago seems to have subsided, so I guess it looks ok?đ
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How Ukrainians are saving art during the war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltwCjFp9B8s
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Who gives gives shit about a fashist Soviet flag? As hard to watch as the killing of people? You're the worst kind of human being to equate human live with some meaningless piece of tissue of an empire that didn't last because it was a miserable place to be and destined to fail hard, just as RuZZia is going to fail in the near future.
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For russians, this special operation is turning into a Great Patriotic War. Officially, Ukraine has not declared war on Russia. The Druzhba pipeline is still operating through Ukraine and oil is going to Europe
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You may not know this because they don't tell you in Russian TV but Europe is going to get alternate sources for their oil and gas supplies. Putin has shown once again that he cannot be trusted, why would you want to trade with someone you cannot trust, and threatens you with nukes to not interfere his invasion? Putin sure hates the evil West that is "threatening" his country (or his ego), but it's still good enough to get money from. When Europe stops importing your oil and gas, you can sell it for cheap to India or China, but will it be enough for you people in RU to afford anything other but potatoes? I highly doubt it. You seem to love the Soviet Union so much, congrats, RU is about to become USSR 2.0, but without the countries that freed themselves from the Soviet claws.
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Under this flag, 7 million soldiers gave their lives. Under the flag with a swastika, 14million civilians were killed in the occupied territories by connoisseurs of European values
Most likely the ancestors of the soldier who trampled the flag survived thanks to the Red Army
For russians, this flag means a lot and I hope the question of changing the official flag of Russia will be raised. Now the fighters who go into battle in Ukraine raise a red flag , for them it means more than a tricolor
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Are you absolutely brainwashed ?
While Nazis where absolute shitshow with holocaust, the soviets where no better. It is estimated that under the soviet flag even more civilians died. You where just lucky to be on the winning side when Nazis were taken down and you were not considered war criminals. Soviet Uniion was even more horrible and should have been treated the same as Nazis and any symbolism from Soviet times treated same as Nazi symbolism.
If you think Nazis where more horrible then Soviets then you truly are brainwashed beyond comprehension. Just because soviets didnt do genocide against one particular group of people doesn't make them better. People under the regime suffered terribly.
https://gulag.online/articles/soviet-repression-and-deportations-in-the-baltic-states?locale=en - maybe your overlords tell you that everything is fake, but do you even fucking know what your glorious soviet empire did to people ? The mass deportations should have been enough to make any mention of soviet union a hate crime. But of course you stopped nazis so it was kind of forgotten. But man you are delirious.
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And how many ruzzkis died during Stalins purge under this flag? Fun fact, while you think the Soviets are the great nazi liberators, the Soviet Union was pretty much the same kind of regime as Nazi Germany.
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And again Russia invaded Poland together with Hitler. And Russia invaded Finland
And after WW2 Stalin did not try to invade west europe because of the atomic bomb.
So Russia suffered a lot in WW2 but also helped to start it when it was gready.
And what see we now. Russia invades Ukraine under the pretense of a lot of fake causes but in reality Russia seeks territory and resources (oil and gass and minerals). And then there is also the ego of Putin..
If ukraine had not surrenderd their atomic weapons Russia would not have dared to do this invasion/. And in doing this P{utin and Russia have show again that they can not be trusted in commercial and political agreements
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There is nothing there, if there was gas, they would not buy it in the form of a reverse. At least I asked geologists first.
And Ukraine did not want to give it away, although Bill Clinton insisted on it, they had to be taken by plane. If we don't know, then this agreement is available.
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This is good, but why was the import so small, if it were normal, then the country would simply be dragged into the EU, and not think about how to push it more beautifully.
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how long did it take russia to develop its oil and gas industry ?
Start with an economic study and there you will find the answers
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If you don't invest anything, it will be difficult to get it. The beginning is the same, but then the result is different.
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So you did the study ? Where is the report ?
You are dead wrong.
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The answer from you is that Russia has developed so much, but Ukraine has not. The question is that initially the time was the same and if you start development, then 20 years is a long time. During this time, it was possible to safely move on to the fact that not to buy Gas and Oil, but to pump your own, process and already squeeze out products for sale, as well as by mining coal, or else for the heating season it had to be bought in South Africa.
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I'm not sure since I only skimmed through your stories....
Do you two want to hear about Russian oil?
I'm sleepy and I'm going to write some extra nonsense.
This is my bedtime story and I will not grant any documents or sources.
You can read it if you have time.
No reply is necessary.
I have received your story about knowledge of oil on the poisoned airwaves before.
Outside of Russia, it is usually pumped out with electric pumps or left to self-pump.
Russia has a higher initial investment due to permafrost.
In the summer, the world is like a vast swamp where heavy machinery cannot be brought in.
(This is also due to global warming...)
Until recently, the Arctic Ocean route was a pipe dream, but global warming has eliminated that problem, and with the means to bring in heavy equipment from the sea and transport calculated crude oil via the Arctic Ocean, it may just barely be profitable.
ăHowever, it will probably not be profitable unless the "market price of oil" is as "wartime" as it is now.
On a similar note... there is a story about oil money and the history of war, which you can look up if you are interested.
I'll skip it because it is captured by the mainly Anglophone human race.
The fact is that the existing Russian oil fields are soon to be depleted.
Therefore, we were developing oil fields in places like the Arctic Circle and the midway between the Arctic Circle and the territorial waters of other countries.
Since most Russian oil fields are located in permafrost regions, any attempt to adjust production would be frozen.
In this case, they never stop drilling because it would be ruined.
While other countries can adjust their production according to market prices, Russia is the only country that has a remarkably low capacity to do so.
The result is a market where you get paid when you get crude oil, as you all encountered during the Korona period.
Who lost the most money at such a time?
I haven't looked into it, but I can guess from those stories.
What will happen when Russia is able to adjust its production, has a transportable logistics infrastructure, and the era of infectious diseases like the second corona is upon us...?
Since shipping has been stuck recently due to the inability to digest containers, and goods have been stopped worldwide, the plan to use the Trans-Siberian Railway to transport goods was also set in motion and the first phase of the plan was completed when the current Russian outburst against Ukraine occurred.
In the long run, there is also a Sino-Russian international railroad...but the unloading will most likely be in China, not Vladivostok.
If that happens, China will eat the effect of getting tariffs on imports and exports and economic benefits from turning logistics around by getting a free ride on infrastructure.
Russia must have realized that its future will be in serious jeopardy if it does not either slowly become economically dependent on China and let it eat it up, or if it does not control Ukraine, which is an export route from the Black Sea and a trading hub between land and sea with China's involvement.
The main cause may be Corona.
I don't want to get into another car accident, so I'll leave it at that.
In short, Russia has a bad debt in crude oil.
The cost of transportation is also relatively high due to the lack of proper ice-free and well-developed ports for imports and exports, and the country's distance from international logistics.
It is difficult to make and sell Russian products due to transportation costs, and it is also difficult to sell agricultural products due to transportation costs, so the future is doubtful.
I had thought that Russia would solve these problems by annexing North Korea.
Trade with multiple countries is difficult to lose money and the market is stable.
The world is a place where trade between one country and one country will always lead to more situations where one side is not worth the other.
I almost said something else unnecessary, so I'll leave it at that and go to bed.
If you've read all the way to the end, thank you very much.
Please don't pry too deeply into why I brought it up.
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The discussion was not about the resources in Russia but the resources in Ukraine.
One of reasons for the invasion is that there are a lot of valuable resources in Ukraine
If those are developed then they beecome a major competition to Russia
And Cement is a bit easy in his answers and does not do any investigation
see https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/world/story/are-ukraines-vast-natural-resources-a-real-reason-behind-russias-invasion-323894-2022-02-25
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_Ukraine
https://hir.harvard.edu/ukraine-energy-reserves/
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So that's exactly the question. Why didn't they develop it themselves. If they had developed well and the economy was not heavily subsidized, then as soon as they made a curtsy to join the EU, they would have been accepted there immediately, and this would have been solved very quickly. There is no need to talk about time, they say Russia has been developing for 20 years, and Ukraine has only been developing for 1 year. If there is an interest, then everything can be developed. As well as the extraction of ores and their processing and smelting of steel. They simply did not invest the money they received in development, but they went to it is not clear what. Here you get 2 billion in transit, and you need 12 billion to develop the mining infrastructure. It seems to be a lot, but at the same moment there are already 2, we invest them. The fact that we transit, we do not steal, then the one who wants to transport goods will not think about an alternative, meaning, there is a channel, it is working, why think about another option. No, you can think about it, but at the same time you need to invest there and understand the payback. If the transit is stable, then the receipts are stable, so you can already understand how to develop your production and processing.
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Before I go to bed, my dubious document has many mistranslations that even I myself have read and re-read and am puzzled by... XD
Thanks for filling in the missing information that we all needed.
Cement has always been important for war and production, hasn't it?
Such stories are certainly a factor.
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I don't want to hear about oil. That wasn't the question. And in economic development. It's just that in one country, although they stole, they invested at the same time, and in another they thought less about it due to the presence of transit flows. But they did not sponsor for a long time either, due to the change in the political situation. It's like the construction of ports in Ust-Luga with Vysotsky, as well as the development of the port of St. Petersburg, although before that cargo went through Riga and Klaipeda
Global warming has not affected the Northern Sea Route, we just had to lay and build ice-class vessels. as well as a series of icebreakers for conducting caravans, and before that, special mining platforms are also to be made (one is ready for now - Prirazlomnaya).
Apparently we don't really know how the well works. And so it works in 2 modes. 1 mode, this is a new well, the pressure is high and the oil itself comes to the surface, but another option is the displacement of oil, including through the injection of liquids and gases (the pipe is lower and from above you can pump up the pressure with gas). And the drilling engineer should already prepare the right solution. And here there is a feature, if the injection was carried out right now, then the well is under pressure and it is difficult to close it, no, it is not very difficult to close it, but then it is very difficult to de-conserve it, and this applies to any well. So it's very difficult to regulate this thing, and for everyone.
And you didn't guess who lost more money from less oil demand. Saudi Arabia. 75% of budget revenues due to 90% of the country's export revenues. They know this and have started to rebuild the economy.
There are a lot of empty containers in the EU, but no one wants to carry empty ones, but there are few goods to send. And if the unloading of containers will be in China, does this not mean that the containers came where they planned or there were more distant customers in the form of Indonesia? So it's more interesting to launch a container ship to Indonesia. And so they tried to start the train, it didn't work out very well, due to 5 customs zones and 2 transshipment in ports.
About non-freezing ports. It makes sense to drive to the Black Sea, and then by ship to Bulgaria, if you can send it by train or by truck. It makes sense to pass the Bosphorus Strait, and not very easy, if you can take it by rail, and with a small load, the car will cope. The port is not always needed for shipment, it happens just through it and it is not profitable to carry. Logistics will have its weighty say here.
About North Korea. There is a problem, it is geographical. The problem is called China. It is difficult to annex a country with which you cannot contact, although England has managed to do this before.
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Before I go to bed, my dubious document has many mistranslations that even I myself have read and re-read and am puzzled by... XD
Thanks for filling in the missing information that we all needed.
First of all, thank you for your reply.
And. Thank you for filling in the missing information we needed.
Nord Stream - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream
Nord Stream 2 - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_2
It is true that such a thing is heard in the Middle East oil countries, but in the case of Russia, it was said at the time that it was even more serious than that in the East.
I think I heard rumors that they drilled holes in the ground to pool excess oil production, and that they tried to forcefully sell it to Europe, but the pipelines were contaminated and had to be cleaned, and they had trouble disposing of the large amount of Russian oil contaminated with chlorinated organic compounds due to improper cleaning.
How long can these things that were barely going well last ......?
The act of undermining a trading partner is an act that makes the economy unviable, so I am concerned about the immediate future. Germany generates electricity from the gas it gets from Russia and sells it to its neighbors, and there is talk of the EU suffering a major blackout if it stops selling power!
I think it was a concern, although it was treated as a laughing matter before the situation became what it is now.
I know that Germany now has the option of completely shutting Russia out of the international market by replacing it with natural gas from Northern Europe and the Eastern Mediterranean.
I think the oil thing was being talked about more seriously in the East at the time.
I think I heard that Saudi Arabia avoided polluting the surrounding area by adjusting production.
At the time, there were stories about Russian oil fields having no sellers and storing excess gushing crude oil by digging holes in the ground and polluting the environment, but I don't think these stories were reported very much.
Russia's Transneft faces 'dirty oil' claims of up to $1 billion: industry sources | Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-oil-contamination-idUSKBN1ZT1PR
It seems to me that problems have arisen recently about once a year when Russia tries to sell such contaminated crude oil to foreign countries.
It could be said that they are no longer getting oil of a quality that can be sold.
I hear that there is a lot of talk about containers piling up in Shanghai, and I hear that there are a lot of them on the East Coast of the U.S. as well.
All of this is due to the depletion of port workers due to the corona.
Delays in imports and exports have also significantly delayed economic output, which has had a negative impact on the world economy.
I think a little bit that if China had given even the slightest consideration to economic compensation to Russia in the direction of rail instead of shipping containers from the EU to China, we might not have the current tragedy in Ukraine.
I feel from the past history of the earth that if the country that earns the most money at a given time neglects to pay attention to the world, its economy will become a source of warfare.
North Korea is a country where the ruling class is run by people educated in Moscow, although there was a time when China sent volunteer soldiers, mainly Chinese Koreans. If it had been denuclearized like Ukraine, it might have developed as a trading hub. In reality, it remains divided into north and south.
Global economic sanctions have been given to the north.
They are more modest than the current economic sanctions against Russia....
It is a possible outcome from the economic impact to think that Russia will look like North Korea in the future.
I hope that the Russian government's policy will be to abandon war before that happens.
The UK...should watch closely.
It could get the ball rolling in both good and bad directions. I hope we don't repeat history in the wrong direction.đ
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Russian Railways Ruled in Default Over Missed Bond Payment - Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-11/cds-panel-says-russian-railways-failure-to-pay-event-occurred
The impact of Russian railroads being overworked by China has been greater than expected.... It seems to have defaulted.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes#Joseph_Stalin
Just to brush up a bit on the rose tinted glasses there.
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There is always an alternative. The problem is that the gas liquefaction plant is almost fully loaded (not in Russia) and there is little free space, as well as the capacity for its regasification. And the price will be the same as the supply agreement. If the contract is long-term, then one side knows where to get and how much to invest for production and will be able to calculate it and tell the other with this in mind, it is difficult to say the payback period of projects in the short term, but with a long-term project it is much easier to do. But the supply of liquefied gas from Russia is a big question in terms of the fact that when a ship enters a European port, the vessel and cargo will be arrested. The natural carrier will not want this, it turns out that this cargo will go to the port where it will not be arrested.
About the trade. It's not all that simple, as you can see. The buyer transfers money for the goods (advance payment), then receives the goods and then makes a final payment for the delivered goods. This is what everyone is shown, but the fact that the transferred money is then frozen and the seller does not receive it, then they do not tell you this. That's why there has been a change in this. It's just that the seller wants to get the money, not that they are there, but they can't be received.
We can afford more than just potatoes. For example, wheat or rye, everything is being prepared for sowing, mineral fertilizers, seeds and fuel for tractors are being accumulated, at the same time their routine maintenance is being carried out.
About those countries that left the USSR. "Good riddance." Some of these countries, as can be seen from the European budget, are subsidized, not donors. So let them be fed now. But if donors' expenses grow, then there will be less payments, and this means less money in subsidized budgets. I hope there is no need to talk about donors and subsidized, although it is possible, and it may be in one country or city.
EU 08.04.2022 introduced a ban on transportation by carriers of Russia and Belarus. So far there has been no response (the weekend is still), but 99% will be like with the sky, and there was a ban on flights to European companies from those countries that closed the sky. If this happens, and the probability of this is very high, then there will be a trans-port collapse and there will be no transportation of goods. It is not very clear to whom this will be good, but Polish, Lithuanian and Latvian truckers will be just happy "sarcasm".
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Officially, Ukraine has not declared war on Russia.
Oh hey, then there were no Great Patriotic War too. Nazi Germany has not declared war on USSR, they just had special operation. Same as now Nazi Russia has not declared war on Ukraine, but Ukrainians will protect our country from nazis, no matter what.
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If you are ready to defend, then go ahead, you know where the "Azov" stands. You know who it is, too. But then decide for yourself what to do.
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Azov never killed anyone on national basis. Unlike rusian army.
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Of course there is no evidence, or only a video of a fighter in camouflage shooting someone or ready-made corpses. We need a recording from a video recording camera or from a mobile phone, and the best one is where you can understand who is shooting. If there is, then the Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation will be happy to look at them and will bring charges based on them. Perhaps here the Military Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation will stand on the side of the prosecution.
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Yeah, yeah, sure. Same as you prosecuted people who invaded Crimea? Same as you prosecuted people who supplied weapons to terrorists in Donbass? Same as you prosecuted people who invaded Georgia? Same as you prosecuted people who killed people in Syria? Same as you prosecuted people who killed innocents in Chechnya? Same as you prosecuted war criminals of WW2? Sure, I believe you, you always do this kind of things, right?
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And that there was no persecution of those who invaded the Crimea. Several were arrested, as was Oleg Gennadievich Sentsov. Don't tell me it didn't happen.
There are no terrorists in the Donbas, there is a People's Militia of the DPR. Although others argue here, although it is spelled out in the Minsk agreements.
In Georgia. The war did not begin on 08.08.2008, but on 01.08.2008 when South Ossetia began to exchange fire with Georgia. But on 08.08.2008, Russia has already intervened due to the fact that they were firing at the peacekeeping contingent, which was in South Ossetia.
Were there any ground operations in Syria? There were air flights, but the Americans spent more on the ground. If only howitzers, but as reinforcement. I'm not saying that there were no ground forces, they were, like tanks, but they were tasked with protecting the base, not fighting.
Salman Betyrovich Raduyev, Shamil Salmanovich Basayev, Amir ibn al-Khattab. So they were chased. And why not, if residential buildings in Moscow, Volgodonsk and Buinaksk were blown up.
Antonina Makarovna, or as she is known, "Tonka the machine-gunner" received rastrel in 1972, Boris Holmston-Smyslovsky fled to Liechtenstein and lived to death due to the fact that there was no extradition in the USSR, greed ruined Grigory Vasyur, when they wanted to receive the Order of the Great Patriotic War, they began to check, cooperation was revealed, the result was rastrel in In 1986, Cossack ataman Pyotr Krasnov and Shkuro were hanged after their extradition by the British in 1947 in Butyrskaya prison, but Andrei Andreevich Vlasov was hanged in 1946.
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And that there was no persecution of those who invaded the Crimea. Several were arrested, as was Oleg Gennadievich Sentsov. Don't tell me it didn't happen.
So, you arrested the one who was not among russian invaders? Good job, no shit sherlock. Hope you will get death sentence for war crimes in Ukraine. I know you're not there, but according to your logic - it's does not mean anything, you should be arrested and punished.
Russia has already intervened
So, was the once who invaded other county punished or not?
not fighting.
Sure, just killing civilians. And was they punished for that?
Salman Betyrovich Raduyev, Shamil Salmanovich Basayev, Amir ibn al-Khattab
They were just People's Militia, you can't punish them, according to your perverted logic.
Antonina Makarovna, or as she is known, "Tonka the machine-gunner" received rastrel in 1972, Boris Holmston-Smyslovsky fled to Liechtenstein and lived to death due to the fact that there was no extradition in the USSR, greed ruined Grigory Vasyur, when they wanted to receive the Order of the Great Patriotic War, they began to check, cooperation was revealed, the result was rastrel in In 1986, Cossack ataman Pyotr Krasnov and Shkuro were hanged after their extradition by the British in 1947 in Butyrskaya prison, but Andrei Andreevich Vlasov was hanged in 1946.
You seems to confuse "nazi collaborators" and "war criminals". We also punish collaborators with russian soldiers (=nazis). But did russia ever punish their war criminals?
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that fucking invasion those meatheads were calling a special op instead of "war", despite it being one from the very beginning.
we call it war, they call it spec op
we call it genocide, they call it Great Patriotic War.
makes me wonder what has to happen for them to see the reality of a genocide happening....
i know that i probably should have been a little bit clearer on that ;) i guess a couple bl never hurt ....
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About the resident of Mariupol, if it's true, this is a paranoid murder.
When you have to live in fear inside your basement or an old Cold War bunker, you can become paranoid.
And if you've been human shield for evil soldiers, again, you might get paranoid.
If you hear about some evil soldiers disguised as civilians to commit more crimes, then again, you might turn paranoid.
(I have spared you the parts about the destruction of buildings, the killings , the tortures, the rapes, the kidnappings, the re-education of civilians)
Paranoid mental illness is one of Putin's many gifts to Ukrainians.
Let's hope that only the Putin's soldiers are victims of paranoid murders. Don't you agree, RedDisco ? I'm sure you understand, you spend your time spreading stories of people in pain.
Don't get paranoid about the previous line, I'm trolling because you're pretending to care about Ukrainians, when all you want to do is spread your propaganda.
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I cant open the BBC website blocked from Russia as a distributor of untruthful information, to be more precise, fake news
there is not a single fact of the killing of civilians by russian soldiers.
For some reason, I was forbidden to use the word nationalists in relation to Ukrainian militants. But what if they consider themselves like that.
SBU is like the FSB in Russia
An SBU employee with the patch "SS Galicia" got into the SUN report. Note that the current employee of the special service uses the designation Waffen-SS when performing. Well, what's the big deal?
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I will quote you:
"fake news
there is not a single fact of the killing of civilians by russian soldiers."
You made a typo by forgetting a ".".
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Poor stupid russian propagandon don. I hope you will soon be mobilized and sent to "a special operation" in Ukraine
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By now, all living foreign intelligence officers and military specialists held in Mariupol are concentrated on Azovstal to serve as a human shield for the Azov. Since the intelligence officers of NATO and Sweden are of great operational interest to the Russian special services, and the fact of their capture can have a huge propaganda effect, as well as become a serious trump card for pressure on Western countries, efforts were made to take them alive. This circumstance greatly hampered the storming of "Azovstal" and did not allow powerful bombing and artillery strikes on the fortifications of militants on the territory of "Azovstal". But now the intensity of the work of "arta" and aviation has seriously increased, or information has appeared that foreigners were "executed" by "Azov" in order to avoid their detention by Russian special services, or, in order not to put the lives of our soldiers at unnecessary risk, just don't care about them.
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stop spreading your bullshit propaganda. nobody but brainless Zombies believe this bullshit. The Azov bullshit never gets old to you?
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Germany joined the measures to rescue the French intelligence officers who were held hostage by Azov in Mariupol. 18.03.22 Olaf Scholz received the consent of the Russian leadership to conduct a rescue operation. And on March 20, a group of German military intelligence officers was allowed through the Russian military orders to the territory controlled by Azov. However, the mission turned out to be impossible, and the BND military intelligence officers replenished the number of hostages, despite guarantees from the AFU command and the command of the Azov regiment located in Kiev.
Those Russian fairy tales are quite creative I have to admit. Completely made up, but creative.
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This comment appeared here 4 minutes after previous one .. No way he can write these himself.
Quite obvious they all are copy/paste that are distributed to trolls to spread around.
Once he gets reaction he stops and inserts another paragraph he has received... Yeah, seems like he's here just spamming with one goal - to mess with everyone.
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This comment appeared here 4 minutes after previous one .. No way he can write these himself.
Quite obvious they all are copy/paste that are distributed to trolls to spread around.
good point actually. support has been notified.
yet i wonder what this is supposed to do. this isn't russia and we aren't braindead sheepZ buying every fairy tale we read here.
so the only purpose has to be spreading misinformation.
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Currently russia is smearing the truth. They produce a crapton of theories, "disprovements" and other stuff, they dilute the truth and logic, so that peopel have harder time telling what's real and what's not
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i just use online translater, text in russian from telegram chanels
I didn't say that the text was purely written by me
Just put together a single picture of what is happening in Mariupol and why Macron was constantly calling Putin so obsessively
The West has never denied that they helped Ukraine with their military instructors. Since the age of 14 , there are
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must be quite devastating to russians to see how incapable the russians are and that every contry is able to just go in and out of Mariupol as they feel like.
Oh wait, you probably already know you're just spreading misinformation...
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greece terrorists? dude, are you out of your mind? there is quite a long history between Mariupol and Greece, lots of Greece are living there.
this whole "article" of yours is full of mindfuck, all you post is lies, lies and more lies....
stick your telegram shit show right up your ass
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the assumptions are based on documents and abandoned personal belongings in the captured bunkers of the Azov battalion
so far, there is nothing concrete about the Greek militants, assumptions. The fact that there are French and other foreign specialists is a fact. A lot of black military men. We are waiting for the complete cleaning of the territory of Azovstal
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dude, are you out of your mind?
I mean if you read the thread the answer to that question should be rather obvious ;)
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And that this is only a one-sided version of the show, where agencies are on the other side. If you publish a list, then from two sides. Or we are afraid, so if the truth is published, then they are afraid of it. And the truth can be from two sides. And then it is one-sided and moreover with discredited sources (Bellingcat showed, as it were, transportation in the form of a video made from a photo, and they preferred not to take it to facts).
Conflict Intelligence Team it would be more correct to show that this is a translation from English to Russian.
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Russia has not been telling any truth during this war.
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And why only Russia. Let's also be those who are directly on the spot. Not what they give out and then prints (shows) news agencies, but information from the place. Only under the condition that he himself saw how it happens, then we can say that this is so, but at the same time we need to know all the information, and not just what he saw.
Immediately we will have to admit about the installations under the roof of the shopping center (after the one who laid out the mat was covered, since they were hit).
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look, the russkis have always been a bunch of liars in the past years. no matter what evidence anyone one will bring up against you, it's always a lie. russia never does anything wrong. everything bad is always the other's fault.
if someone tells you the sky is blue, and Putin tells you the sky is green, you will tell everyone it is green and no matter how much people with a sane mind will tell you it's blue, you will insist it's green. It's a pity since some of you guys seem to have reasonable intellegence, but yet you are blinded by all the nonsense Putin's propaganda machinery is shitting out into your heads.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiDxYIT2aiI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MGFploTFGY
As we wanted, that green sky. Don't tell me it's not.
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Lol whatever dude. You're such a smart guy, respect to you
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"one-sided version", said the guy fueled by Putin's one-sided version.
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Tell me, do you agree, that Russia has invaded other country and killing innocent people? Because if you are not - then you are just a usual liar, and your opinion does not matter.
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cant open site Conflict Intelligence Team
Google this and find LOL
Few people in Russia are aware of the existence of the Conflict Intelligence Team. But many people know Bellingcat â an organization engaged in allegedly journalistic investigations of military conflicts in Syria and Ukraine, although the true purpose of their activities is anti-Russian propaganda. The main thesis of all the events held by this organization is "Russia poses a threat to the whole world." Bellingcat is funded through Soros funds and other Western sources. It would seem that everything is clear.
So the counter with the loud name Conflict Intelligence Team today is a cheap fake of the aforementioned Bellingcat. A group of unemployed bloggers-losers are trying to manipulate the readers' minds in the manner of Whales, sucking the next sensations out of their fingers.
From 2012 to 2014 Leviev was a member of Navalny's team and even made a website navalny.us , on which he extorted money from people with the help of a virus.
https://poetry-in-life.livejournal.com/1322035.html
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Btw, found an interesting documentary called World War 3 about alternate 1989-1990 history with chilling similarities to the current events.
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I think it's starting to be hard to read this discussions for two reasons:
1) people posting few messages in a row, as either bumps or replies. Those should be consolidated into one post
2) posting big blocks of text that are whole articles from a linked website. Can we please have only link to article with most important article snippet? If someone wants to read whole article they will click on the link. It starts to look like copy-paste of various news outlet here and is hard to follow. Sadly there is no auto-hide-long-posts-with-expand functionality on SG.
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yes, I did not find how to make a spoiler of the text here. Since there was no single article on some site, there were scattered messages and comments from different telegram channels that I was able to put together into a single picture
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You can hide text with, for example to make spoilers:
~This text will be hidden~But it's not possible to hide part of the post. In majority of cases users replies are few sentences long, so IMO everything that spans more than 10 or so lines on standard FHD monitor could be hidden. But it's not function that we ever had here. So we need to make it easier to read discussions in other ways.
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https://voxnews.info/2022/04/09/kramatorsk-numero-di-serie-missile-dimostra-proprieta-ucraina-foto/
An Italian video disclosed missile serial number that massacred numerous civilians at Kramatorsk, which is...guess what...an ukrainian...
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Oh wow, guess what, there is such thing as satellite photography now. And it clearly shows that missile was shot by russians. Come on, it's 2022, how dumb must you be to deny obvious?
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don't be lazy, you can do more https://youtu.be/R9zxkiUQMvs?t=82
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Still posting fakes? Good bot, your masters must be so proud of you.
And it's better to be fake, otherwise it proves even more crimes of russians. Look:
- Missile launched on Kramatorsk was by russians - it's a solid fact and prove.
- Your video says it has serial number similar to missiles shot on donbass.
- It can only mean one thing - missiles shot on donbass were also russian. No other option, that's how formal logic works. We just have to wait until russians start to say that similarity of numbers is just a coincidence.
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you are the only bot here, spreading propaganda, that video is from Kramatorsk!
and russian shot many more like close numbers back at 2014 and 2015, GTFO!
there's no ghost russian tochka-u, as there's no ghost of kyiv!
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So, you admit that all killings of civilians on donbass were made by russians? Good.
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So lets tackle this one by one :
- https://t.me/astrapress/2063 - The fact it was posted beforehand by Russian propagandists that they attacked the station and then deleting it once civilians are reported hit really does not bode well for this argument (please finally answer about this. I want to see how russians are trying to explain this one)
- It's based on Russian propaganda telegram channel on an assumption it is the same batch of rockets
- IF it was shot by UA on Donbass these rockets could have been in any of the military bases Russians took over in part of their invasion. Meaning RUS has UA weapons in their possession, tanks and guided missiles included (literally posted by your own side online beforehand trying to boast how they took over bases).
Ukrainians could have easily used any of the Russian equipment left behind to attack Kramatorsk if they wanted to do false flag on their side. And that goes for Russians as well. We are month in a war and I'd say basing this on rough estimate of missile batch that could have been used by UA forces is a bit too late. But please feel free to offer any actual evidence to this - I'd be first to admit I'm wrong if this proves to be truth. But it's based on a lot of assumptions at this stage.
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Ukraine bans all imports from Russia | Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-bans-all-imports-russia-2022-04-10/
Will the EU, which imports natural gas from Russia via Ukraine and pays about 600 million euros daily, be forced to terminate?
Mainly Germany received the supply, generated the electricity, and sold it to the EU?
I am curious to see how these situations play out.
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https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-10-22/h_0bd08d0d28b1960bb4056f343a64aa01
3 min ago
Ukraine's foreign minister: Germany and France made a "strategic mistake" by not allowing Ukraine to join NATO
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"The strategic mistake that was made in 2008 by Germany and France who rejected the efforts of the United States and other allies to bring Ukraine in, is something that we are paying for," Kuleba said.
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The intent of the Ukrainian action seems to have been directed at Germany and Franceđ¤
Be sure to check the source.
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I was forbidden to use the n - word here , so the sentence may not be finished a little bit .
But what if they consider themselves like that.
SBU is like the FSB in Russia
An SBU employee with the patch "SS Galicia" got into the SUN report. Note that the current employee of the special service uses the designation Waffen-SS when performing. Well, what's the big deal?
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Exactly, the whole Azov battalion has been created as a response to Russian aggression after the annex of Crimea and following separatism terrors in LDNR. Not before.
But these people are too dense to understand that.
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Shared in propaganda telegram channel - check
No source posted of an actual post, just generalization - check
Picture and text taken from whatsapp group - check
Only "reliable" source found on internet is a pro-russian journalist who had no following before this war claiming the same thing without any actual reference - check
I do hope for the Ukrainians this is fake, because obviously treating POWs like this is a war crime. But at least try to provide some proof.
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Nice staged photo.
Ukrainian social networks are circulating this photo and laughing over the dead body of a russian soldier
Nice lie, but if you search by this image you can only find russian propaganda channel with it, and none of it in "ukrainian social networks", whatever you mean by that. Totally not suspicious.
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I will only remove it this time. Next time someone post this kind of content will end up with suspension.
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This guy is a 38-year-old American industrial designer living in Bangkok, he isn't a "geopolitical analyst and former US marine soldier", is a unknown conspiracy theorist, there are plenty of them in the web, they are very busy spreading news about aliens, microchips in vaccine, and so on.
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But... but... Putin's TV says it's a famous "expert"...
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Rusian Propaganda, and source is fishy.
Also in 1994 During Checne war, Rusian kill civilinas that was already been confirmed, simply Rusian using this same tactcics again.
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