Should such games be on steam?
I don't mind, if it's detailed and executed properly, but this one just looks too sucky to even waste 1 min of my life for.
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Why shouldnt they be? Gaming is only about fantasy and dragons?
The "reviews" and comments are quite sad.
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It is when you put an i5 and an i7 in a dual-CPU motherboard.
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OS: Windows 10 64
Processor: i7 Indel
-_- What's Indel?
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Haha yes but my remark wasn't about having hate for Intel, not at all actually. I chose an AMD cpu because of a tight budget.
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I meant that an 'i7 infidel' is an AMD user. Although that might also refer to those Intel users who prefer to go for lower end CPU's.
But AMD CPU is not bad. I have a few. Would have loved it if AMD released Bristol Ridge AM4 already.
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Why not ? Because it doesn't qualifiy as a game ? A lot of the VR "experiences" on Steam don't count as such really.
Also, Steam has movies and weird interactive art pieces already, so why not add VR-enabled documentaries to the list of content ?
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Is this a game or a VR movie? From the description and the reviews it would seem the latter. If that's the case, then the question 'should there be such games on steam' isn't really relevant.
If it's really a movie, I think it would be a better fit for YouTube and such. Steam does have movies, but I don't see the point of free movie content on Steam, unless Valve wants to compete with YouTube, in which case I'm against it.
Edit: To be clear, I don't have a problem with a political game, or with crappy games in general, but I do have a problem with Steam adding totally free content, in particular if it's not games.
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From what i read a (stolen) asset "game" that you can play in 1-3 minutes from what i gather (i don't have a VR set), you can debate that being a game or not.
Don't see with a bunch of crappy movies on steam, why this can't be on it either, implying it's a movie.
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The question is, is this interactive or not? In a VR movie you can look around, but you can't move or do anything else interactive. In a game, I'd expect more than just looking around.
As for crappy movies on Steam, that's basically what I'm against. I'm not against selling movies that many people consider crappy, as long as they're full movies that cost money. What I'm against is turning Steam into YouTube, and allowing people to freely post anything they want. Just like I'm okay with crappy games, but I wouldn't want Steam to start adding a massive free game catalogue (the kind you get when you google 'free web games').
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That's something someone that actually played it, could answer.
Personally I am against any movie on steam, or move it to a seperate platform even, call it steammovies.but to each it's own.
Plenty of free games (especially MMORPG types) already on steam too, not the ones like you'd find on facebook, but yeah that could also just happen any day.
What i posted in my ambassador thread, apparently 3-4k games in december 2013 was already a weird thing, we are now at like 9500 or so 3 years later?
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I agree about movies, but they're largely separate already.
I know that there are a lot of F2P games on Steam, but for one thing F2P isn't free (these are games that have a free base and sell you extras) and they are typically games that had quite a lot of work go into them. They are games that are meant for "real gamers", and hopefully that part of the store is still curated. I hope that Steam doesn't open the doors to a flood of free games.
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just like the piles upon piles of crappy, poorly made mass produced indie games that have infested steam in recent times, i dont feel propaganda pieces of media should have a place on the steam store... especially when only certain kinds of 'acceptable' biased pieces of information and propaganda will be allowed.
steam should be about entertainment... i feel its kinda getting into murky territory when it starts getting used as a propaganda tool to spread personal bias about current events or personal ideals... you can leave that crap to youtube and facebook... and the nightly news :D
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I havent played the game (I dont own a VR set), but from the looks of it its a documentary, showing the life of refugee children. Thats not biased.
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you cant have journalism without bias though, since its purely the journalists opinion based on their own agenda and the story they want to tell.
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Journalism is not to be trusted anymore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDn1aql32Zo
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thats something I really do disagree with. MOST people (not all, but i feel confident saying MOST) are completely ignorant about, well... everything, and as such they place RIDICULOUS amounts of trust in the knowledge (or rather, opinions) of others they consider to be an authority (which can range from anyone presenting anything for a news publication, program, even a celebrity).
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You can't avoid having to check the facts when presented with information, so people will always have to double check and evaluate the information provided by journalists before making decisions based on it, but you say so yourself, the amount of trust some people put in the media is indeed ridiculous. Actually, that's the main problem...
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A journalist choosing a topic over other could be called bias, although its not a prominent thing in my opinion. Regardless, the subject in question isnt biased. Its a fact, refugees exist, regardless of politics. Again, I havent played the game so I dont know how it is showed, but documenting their lives isnt biased.
It can be biased, like almost every topic in existance. But just showing it isnt.
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I read this in a review on the sidebar:
GAMEPLAY:
Since I don't have a VR compatible device I can't really go on from where they get blewn the ♥♥♥♥♥ up...
which tells me that that person did run it without a VR headset, despite it being listed as a requirement. Which, content of this game aside, makes me wonder if some of the games on Steam listed as VR only will work without. I've certainly seen a few games there listed as VR that I'd like to try even though I don't have and am nowhere near able to afford a VR kit alone, let alone one and a PC with the specs to run one properly.
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That review seems to be a joke though, if you read it all. But I guess I can try, thanks for the tip.
Edit: I tried to run the game but it hangs at "Press any key to start". I can still hear chatter\banter around, but theres no activity on the CPU.
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you can see the "game" on youtube, it very very short and misleading
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Have you played it? Do you know if it's just a "propaganda game", or if it gives a realistic depiction of what's going on in Syria right now?
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Do you know if it's just a "propaganda game", or if it gives a realistic depiction of what's going on in Syria right now?
True, that's what I can't understand. The reviews keep saying "ISIS propaganda", "Mainstream propaganda", etc. So, is it a propaganda made by ISIS? Is it a propaganda made by the media? Is it depicting the current situation correctly? Are the brains of the reviewers of this game half the size of a peanut? So many unanswered questions. :/
The description says: "Nearly one half of Syria’s 23 million people have been displaced in its civil war and no group has been as severely affected as children. Children make up more than half of the three million refugees living in camps some news reports indicate that children are actually being specifically targeted in the violence". So, that doesn't look like propaganda to me.
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Clearly, you haven't read the ever-reliable reviews section for the game!
As the reviews state, it's clearly nothing more than ISIS propaganda- which makes sense, as we all know how much ISIS cares about the welfare of refugees- so, as these sorts of reviews are wont to be, it's indubitably legit.
Certainly, 68% of the nearly 500 individuals that voted on the legitimacy of the review felt that not only was the aforementioned assertion a valid assessment, but it was such a precise detail about the game content or circumstances around its development that its concise censure was enough to make it qualify for being a constructive review!
With so many validating the statement, what choice have we but to take it at face value?
In fact, similarly, SG should consider changing its rules. As 25% of the over 100 individuals that reviewed the revenge feedback I received on SteamTrades determined that it didn't violate ST guidelines, clearly the guidelines themselves are wrong in listing the guideline so firmly.
Also, the Sakura series and Bad Rats are the best games ever.
Luckily, I just restocked on liquor. Here, let me pour you a glass as well.
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Many games are filled with politics and propaganda, some more obvious and others rather subliminal. Just like cinema, music, paintings, etc. pp.
So why not? Game seems to be garbage anyway from a pure 'gameplay' standpoint. Only thing Steam should implement is some sort of quality control.
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but theyre still GAMES though... they still have entertainment value rather than just being purely biased opinion pieces.
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Doesn't matter to me if it tries to manipulate me in a nice package with nice graphics or in a rather poor attempt to promote a controversial topic in such a lousy way (presentation-wise). I can't comment on if that thing depicts things in a 'purely biased' way since I haven't played it, but even if it does - it still doesn't differentiate itself that much from other games/media in that way IMO - and entertainment value also is something purely subjective. Opinions, however wrong or biased they may seem to one, should never be suppressed but answered with reason and facts. Anything else just contradicts your position.
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Probably alot of people against the whole refugee thing vote it as a "joke".
It's controversial and will get some hate, which you can see in the comments.
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Yes, political topics should absolutely be addressed in games, much like they're addressed in movies & books.
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Maybe the first time in my SG life I'm seriously considering the Potato option.
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so... an agsty mental dude talks about murdering a bunch of innocent people gets removed from steam? everyone loses their shit.
a game touching on real problems about the real world, and gets hate...
now i see that when journalist were writing that gamers are a bunch of kids, they were not talking about age.
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I find such arguments quite sad - at one hand we love soooo much talking about how games are a serious medium nowadays, how it's no longer just for kids, how we wish our hobby to be treated seriously etc, while at the same time if something that doesn't fit our agenda shows up we go all "it's not a game! there's no place for something like this on Steam!". If we want gaming to be considered serious medium we gotta accept that it will touch a serious subjects, whether these are subjects and points of view we like or not. Same as with books or movies - there will be movies or books about subjects or with ideas you don't liek - but dies it mean "movies are not a place to discuss such a subject"? nope. Also I believe video games due to their interactivity may be great area to discuss difficult subjects, as player may get immersed and get much bigger emotional reaction from well developed game than from any movie for example. And there's been examples in the past of games successfully touching serious subjets, like illness, death, morals of war etc (To The Moon, That Dragon Cancer, Spec Ops: The Line to name a few). So in summary - yes, there is a place for such games on steam. Whether it's any good is different topic, but we get loads of shovelware and noone cares, but here suddenly it should not be on steam just because it's poorly developed? I call it bullshite, you don't mind other poor games on Steam, so this you mind not because it's bad, but because it doesn't fit your political agenda.
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I agree it has the same right to be on steam as any other product.
But some subjects need to be explored with seriousness and professionalism and not for shock value. So, it looks like the negative feedback is more or less justified
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depends on which feedback. Comments like "this is blatant propanda and it must be taken back to the cuck shed" etc are not justified. People bashing game for poor development, optimalisation etc are fully right - same as they can bash any other game for it. but saying game has no place on Steam because it doesn't fit your political views (and there are a lot of comments like that) is just childish and simply proves that despite of what we like to say we as community didn't grew up to have a serious medium yet. I'm talking objectivelly, because I perswonally dislike even the way topic is presented in this "game", but still won't tell it should not have place on gaming platform. I see it as whole gamersgate movement bullshit again. We want gaming to be serious but no no, you cannot put different ideas than mine, like homosexuality or gender equality into games because I don't like these ideas!
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Apparently KKK has a right to exist, while extreme they aren't doing much illegal as far as i know, would you be okay with them making such a thing? Because if you want to allow everyone and everything, that's also what might be next, and don't even think it being farfetched something even more extreme will arrive on steam some day
I am sure there are many more controversial groups and issues, not to mention the dozens of wars that are out there beside Syria.
Regardless of the views being pro or anti refugee, it is a shame they haven't made it better as this doesn't help them at all.
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This isnt comparable. Documenting the life of refugees does not equal promoting hate speech. But sure, bring something that documents the lives of KKK members. Why not?
And how do you know it was made so poorly if you havent tried?
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It isn't about comparing them against eachother, just used an (extreme) example of another group, but someone could just actually make just that, a VR game of the life of a KKK member.
There really doesn't seem to be much described on the life of a refugee either, you see some pictures of a camp, and a movie of a girl and a bomb going of. Not everyone in Syria lives like that, nor every refugee in such camps (will also depend on location).
For that same reason i described above it isn't very accurate, you can't describe someone's life in 3 minutes. If someone wanted to make a point across, they could have better interviewed some kids, people, made a movie and put that on steam or elsewhere.
Even those here who are in favor of any game possible on steam say it looks horrible, sometimes it jjust takes a bit of common sense, just looking at the material provided.
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It is very comparable despite of what agenda you try to push here yourself. The basic rule of freedom of speech is excluding the hate speech, you can speak whatever you want as long as it isn't promoting hate nor targetting someone specific or group of people. Some ppl may not like refugees, some may want to welcome them, but this material isn't promoting hate to ppl who dislike refugees. KKK is promoting hate towards non-white ppl. It is a huge difference and a very valid point here.
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^this.
Cant really block certain subjects from steam. The way they are addressed factors in the most.
Whether it achieves its goal or not is irelevant. That what steam reviews are for
Though, Someday we will get our steam version of God's Not Dead :I
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Not sure what you are implying with trying to push an agenda, lets be totally clear, I have no sympathies whatsover for a KKK, just using an example (or being a game from an anti gay movement, or some fanatic relgious group), i don't even know why a KKK is even allowed to exist in the states, but that's beside the point. I don't desire such games, i am only thinking more extreme games will come.
KKK also are against white people just the same, that are homosexual, and i also believe in those that don't aren't religious.
This game is on a subjectivity of it being propaganda (not saying ISIS) or not (a video of a young girl and a bomb going of) it is showing 1 side, 1 view. Just as a KKK would show their view (regardless if you agree with them or not) or an anti gay movement. What they having in common 1 side of sharing a view, again regardless wether you agreeing on the subject or not. How about a game on someone dressing as a KKK member, viewing a bit on their daily life, but without so much of actual hate speech in such a game? The controversry of it yet not with the hate in it.
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Same with basically any news report, any documentary, any political speech - obviously someone will show 1 side of the story,m their story, that's what politically involved media does - and it happens already in all the other medias and it's fine. As long as it does it in the boundaries of free speech aka for example no hate speech (that's why KKK would not fit). If we want our medium to be considered serious one we gotta agree that itwill include presentations of ideas we do not agree with. As long as it doesn't promote hate against certain people or groups of people it's what the actual real media does. We want to be serious medium - it's the only actual way.
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I can't say for your country, but 90% of media is politically involved/biased and i am sure in many countries, in ways yes media, that's also propaganda.
Well take for example this Louis Theroux documentary a BBC documentary that showed in alot of countries.
It doesn't bring them down nor praising them, it's an open view on how they live, on what they are saying, on what they are protesting against, but in ways it's also promoting what they stand for, would that be so much difference then it being put in a form of a game?
Does that make a majority want to join the KKK? No actually most likely it will only let people think even lesser of them.
A social media for example like twitter and facebook (all about that freedom of speech you so mention) don't even do much against all the hate speech against the people receiving it, even famous people whenever they did something bad.
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And if a game presenting KK in such a fashion like you mentioned would come to Steam, not breaking hate speech laws, not praising nor bringing them down would come to Steam - I'd fully support it. Same way as documentary you mentioned. Once again - objective point of view, even on controversial matter, is still in boundaries of freedom of speech.
As for social medias - once - it's different subject, 90% of time these are private owned companies, and as such may make whatever rules they feel like (as long as these rules are not against the law), if they want to prohibit subjects about XYZ it's their right same as it's your right to protest it or not use said social media. And as for social medias not worrying about hate speech at all I gotta disagree - there's a big nationalist rally coming in PL in a week on 11th Nov, it's on idependence day and far right movements use it for rallies promoting homophobia, racism etc. They've had fanpages promoting their events with tens of thousands folowers. And there's been big news in PL because FB did ban their websites for using hateful symbols - so yeah, it does happen that social media act against hate despite of what you're saying.
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I disagree. i seen such alot of cases lately of personal attacks against famous dutch people (but also worldwide famous people) on what they said (also controversial sometimes) and how immediately people twitter death wishes, racist stuff, insulting stuff, and what not.
Offcourse they will do some control, but not alot (do you think a majority would lose their twitter account over it?), and if they would just filter certain terms out in the first place.
Or the case of someone having posted a sex movie of an ex gf on facebook, and facebook refused to give details of the guy that posted the movie. But it's a whole different discussion.
Heck i even reported someone with a dick pic as a profile one on facebook once, thinking it was not allowed as they removed ones of women breastfeeding, but facebook seemed to say it was okay.
Freedom of speech is also debateable, calling it free yet you keep the hate out (regardless if you agree with it or not) then it isn't really freedom.
But thats my connection i draw with those social media's, on there somewhat it's kinda accepted for people to spew such hate, as a majority won't get their accounts banned nor do those people even get sued (though a select few of those famous people have threatened with it).
Like some countries banning Mein Kampf, also a book that many would not agree with, but atleast some that might want to read what Hitler's ideas were all about, it should also be a freedom to atleast given the choice if you are allowed to buy it or not to read for yourself.
Let's just keep it we both have our different views on it.
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People used to say addressing LGBT in games was unnecessary politics.
In fact, they still do.
As with other terms used to similar effect (such as SJW), in such contexts it's just an empty buzzword meant to diminish a topic the individual disagrees with, without actually having to commit to a legitimate argument. Unsurprisingly, such utilizations only get used for the topics that such individuals find disagreeable.
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Subject matter aside, it looks kinda poop :/. I'm always open to more options but ya .... at least be kinda decent looking (especially for VR).
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It's ok, their are worse games on Steam tbh and none of them should be removed. To each his own.
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I'm fine with it. There have been many, many political games over the years. The earliest that I can think of is Dictator, released by DK'Tronics in 1983 and playable online at http://torinak.com/qaop#!dictator
It's a sort of text-based proto-Tropico. Speaking of which, the Tropico series are political and among many games already on Steam labelled as political.
Plus there are a lot of very political, left-wing browser games on http://www.molleindustria.org and http://www.thegoparcade.com . I've tried to find some on the other side but the closest that I can find is a story about one the Republican party had discussed at http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/gop-game-mission-majority-senate-2014-election/ but the link to the game is dead.
I think it might be nice to see some of them packaged together on Steam for offline play, if for no other reason than to have them around for historical purposes in the future.
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N.O.P.E!
Steam is last free bastion of this fucking tired bullshit! Even BattleNet is infected with that... Or harambe spammers.
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I don't believe in censorship, regardless of whether I like something or not so... It's being on steam should not be swayed by my opinion on it.
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I like the idea of games like that, but this one doesn't look very high-quality. For people interested in politically-oriented free games about the Middle East, The Cat and the Coup looks much batter. (Although it's about history rather than the current refugee crisis, and focuses on Iran rather than Syria, the two subjects are obviously connected.)
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Project Syria was originally commissioned by the World Economic Forum and created at the University of Southern California School of Cinematic Arts, this immersive journalism piece focuses on the plight of these children. By coupling pioneering virtual reality technologies with audio and video captured at a tragic event, Project Syria transports audiences to the a scene as the story unfolds.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/491790
It kinda raised an eyebrow that it was on steam, let's keep the whole refugee debate itself aside, should there be such games on steam?
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