Steam really needs a blackout, because I'm not affected at all without one.
EDIT: I meant my internet experience wasn't affected at all by the blackout because I still had Steam. If I didn't already know about SOPA, the weak 1-day blackout would have done very little to raise my awareness of it.
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I do NOT support blackouts, they are just useless. They only make internet users mad, not the congressmen.
It is like shuting down an hospital because they are making some laws about cutting funds.... Just don't take care of those who are making the law (if you really want to do something), don't let the other people die.
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No, it's more like having a huge sign cover the front of the hospital and be throughout the entire lobby to warn people that they are cutting funding and that could in turn affect the way they are healed. No major site, that I know of, that could be considered a "necessity" cannot be accessed. It's not like gmail is blocked or paypal.
Also I see no way to just make the senators pay, but I do understand your point on a smaller scale. I feel the blackouts have raised support though today. Many of my friends were livid when they couldn't get on wikipedia.
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A small banner in a website is ok, or a popup like the one that appears in the cheez burger network is ok, but a real website blackout is just stupid.
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A Wikipedia blackout gathers much more attention than a banner on top with a personal plea from Jimmy Wales. The issue is being brought to millions of people who have never heard of SOPA and PIPA.
I understand the inconvenience, but you cannot deny the effect.
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Oh, diddums. You can't read your comics. Chances are you wouldn't be ever if SOPA went through. Stop performing autofellatio and get over it.
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no, of course congressmen don't care. The blackouts are made to inform the users who use the sites to do something about it. I bet millions have joined the cause who didn't know about it in the first place because of wikipedia's blackout. Get what I'm saying?
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As I said you don't need to block a website to inform the users...
Also I'm really mad about wikipedia, this is the second time that wikipedia blocks for a stupid law. Some months ago it blocked itself in my country (italy) for a law that would have let Companies and people to change or censure blogs, online newspaper etc if they had inside illegal things or false things (not just Mr. X stinks, I mean something like Mr X. has killed 2 people last night while he was drunk) and if they were talking about conspiracy
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It's not just about informing. It's about getting people to do something. Banner? Ignored. A screen before you can get to the page? Clicked through and ignored. Making the site just as inaccessible as if it were nonexistent, like it would be under this law? You can't ignore that. Better do something about it.
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So you think the blackouts should target only the congressmen, so they get mad when their favourite websites that they are targeting with their bill are no longer there for them? I'm sure the cushy jobs and wads of cash they get from the movie and music industries would keep them warm at night despite their loss of wikipedia for a 24 hour period...
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Don't know if troll, or just stupid.
You do realize, that the point of blackouts is to raise awareness to the general public, to call up their congressmen and complain.
If you're pissed off that you can't access your normal sites, for one day. Then wouldn't you be more pissed when you can't access them forever, if SOPA went into effect?
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www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/466-SOPA-Survivalist.html < Read this. Note how much of the internet can be taken down because of a complaint against a single website. Note that the complaint doesn't need to be true, just credible enough to warrant further investigation.
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The internet users are voters. Make the voters care and their politicians, wanting to be re-elected, will also start to care.
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It's less about protesting and more about getting other users AWARE.
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loled
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What is 9Gag? I never heard of it until I started coming here.
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We're supporting the SOPA strike as well.
You can actually still view the stream and the chat via their direct links, though. It's not perfect but it gets the point across. Hilariously enough even though I mentioned it via our Steam group I've already got a few people wondering where the site went.
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I'm all for the blackouts if it helps raise awareness. They may seem silly, but some people who may not have known about SOPA certainly do now. It's also making a point - THIS could be our internet if we don't do something about it.
Obviously, I'm strongly against SOPA, as I hope most people would be. I've been tweeting, emailing, etc. to raise awareness, and of course, signing petitions: http://sopastrike.com/strike
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A screen filled with bright colors uses much more electricity than darker ones (Y)
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I've found it really touching how many websites decided to black out completely or partially, I've been following the bill for the past few weeks and saw a list of a lot of the sites that were going to participate, but then today came and it seemed like a whole lot more came out of the woods and went dark too. <3
edit: http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/01/sopapipa-lose-more-supporters-on-blackout-day.php
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Thank you for your support, i'm doing what i can aswell to spread the word aswell, but not everyone understands what's really behind it, yesterday on facebook i saw a Cynical Brit post about it (TotalHalibut on youtube, Total Biscuit), and its pretty much spot on imo:
"Let's be honest, the people behind SOPA/PIPA are smart, very smart. They know without a doubt the bill will not put a dent in piracy. The kind of people who pirate and run piracy services are far too smart to be brought to heel by mere legislation and have continued to elude the best efforts of the US and it's lackeys. SOPA/PIPA exists for one reason, to protect an aging and crooked business model, dominated by large corporations who are slowly but surely being eroded by people like you and me. These corporations want to stifle the internet because the internet is the biggest threat to their dominance that has ever existed. For decades, through control of radio stations and television channels, corporations have made bank, but now, all the money in the world can't save them from guys in their bedrooms and home-made studios creating content that is more relevant to the current generation. The variety the big media corporations refused to provide because it "wasn't profitable", is now being provided by hundreds of thousands of amateur, semi-pro and professional independent creators and directors and we're all competing for the most important currency of all, time. The time you spend watching our material is time you don't spend watching theirs. It's money directly out of their pocket that they could have been earning before the internet came along and that's the hilarious thing about this whole deal. Piracy is not what's killing their profits, completely legitimate competition from the internet is. They use the cause of "fighting piracy" as a trojan horse to force through bought and paid for legislation to kill independent content creation for good because they can see the end is nigh for their aging and increasingly irrelevant business model. They know they cannot win legitimately, so they do what they've always done, exploit a corrupt political system to bully and extort their way to what they want.
This is what SOPA/PIPA are really about and that is why you should oppose them. You are standing up for what your generation represents, just as previous generations have done the same on a slew of different issues. As much as those in power would like us to believe we are the apathetic, lazy generation. The truth is we are anything but and that scares the shit out of them."
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I agree wholeheartedly. Its no secret that the American political system is not democratic. I am not referring here to the fact that it is a republic, but that if capitalism could be turned into a political system, than that system is what the American political system appears to be modeled after. SOPA is not about "them ferners stealin' our idears" or even about other Americans stealing ideas, its about the dwindling profits of a dying industry, and their last desperate clutches at life via "capitalism the political structure."
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I fully support the blackouts, and in fact wish that 2 more sites joined in. If Facebook and Twitter had participated in the blackout, then that would have really sent the strongest message possible. Both of them are already open opponents of SOPA, and so their participation wouldn't be surprising. But of all of the sites that participated in the blackout, these 2 could have sent the strongest message to the actual politicians (Twitter especially). I know that people complain about "What would we do if we couldn't access Twitter/Facebook for a day?" but that's the whole point of it. Would you rather go without them for a day now, or risk going without them forever.
The reason why I point out these 2 sites specifically (as opposed to something like YouTube) is that they would get the most coverage. Imagine a politician trying to use Twitter to send a message to their supporters (as many do now), only to find out that they can't access it because of SOPA. Imagine one of the 800 million users trying to use Facebook and running into the same issue. This would be the single largest wake-up call that many people could need.
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Highly against The SOPA & PIPA, for the following reasons.
Recently I had to make a presentation of how the restriction of violent videogames should be legal, one case proved to be invaluable during my presentation. I used the Brown Vs. Entertain Merchants Association supreme court case, in which was ruled 7-2 IN FAVOR FOR VIDEOGAMES, on the grounds of Videogames are protected by the first amendment freedom of speech, and communicate ideas. If this was argued in the supreme court I bet the justices would argue even further. Especially Antonin Scalia(Argued heavily in Brown Vs. EMA)
If SOPA & PIPA were to pass, they not only would censor nearly everything we have here. But what else? they censor our rights? Censor our possessions?, censor our liberty?, censor our life?, censor our pursuit of happiness?, For all that is given stated by the Declaration of Independence.
SO WHAT MUST WE DO?
"Aye, fight and you may die, run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they MAY TAKE OUR LIVES, BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE... OUR FREEDOM!" - Wallace(Braveheart)
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I have a quote that adequately describes this situation as well:
"Theoden
So much death. What can men do against such reckless hate?
Aragorn
Ride out with me. Ride out to meet them.
Theoden
For death and glory.
Aragorn
For Rohan. For your people.
Theoden
Yes. Yes. The horn of Helm Hammerhand shall sound in the Deep. One last time.
Theoden to Aragorn
Let this be the hour when we draw swords together.
Theoden
Fell deeds, await.
Now for wrath.
Now for ruin,
and the red dawn!
Forth Eorlingas!"
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Very well said, Loko!
I personally believe that this piracy is a real issue and needs to be stopped, but the entire way they're going about this is wrong. They're making it much too easy for many different parties to shut down websites that aren't at all to blame for the stuff that these websites' users say.
It just really annoys me that the majority of the U.S. government doesn't care if they bring the entire internet down, just so long as their laws are put into place. It's simply disgusting.
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+1 to lokonopa
You make us proud with your insightful post, thank you.
Remember people Governments abuse the power given to them all so frequently. All they need for it go on and even further is your consent. It's your duty as humanbeings to speak out against injustice worldwide.
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It's hypocrisy, that's what this protest is. You people are all against censorhip, but see what happens when I post a "naughty" word on here. Double standards is what you facebook-loving attention whores are all about. Now go protest taking down websites by taking down websites.
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Censorship is like what YouTube does now. Individual videos/users are removed due to copyright infringement. If SOPA passed, then a company (let's use Viacom for this example) could decide they don't want the possibility of another bad video being posted. Viacom files a complaint and then all of YouTube is shut down.
SOPA has nothing to do with censoring "naughty" words or other forms of "profanity", it is something which allows companies to legally shut down anything which they may perceive as a threat to their own business due to copyright infringement. On the outside, this means that they are able to shut down pirating sites (which isn't a bad thing). However, it also means that they can start to shut down competition to get an advantage.
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Ever notice how angry and spiteful the ignorant always come across as, regardless of the topic they are ignorantly railing against? Why is that? Are you angry at us for being more aware than you or are you really angry at yourself for being an uninformed douchenozzle?
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Too lazy to inform yourself? Yet another trait common to most ignorant internet users; can't be bothered to do a simple Google search about the very thing they are so angry about, yet are still willing to post uninformed bile about it. Here, start with this, its a short video that uses small words and simple concepts to explain what is so bad about these bills: http://vimeo.com/31100268
If you want to learn more, there are plenty resources readily available online to help you help yourself to not be a douchenozzle.
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The main difference I can see is that if you write profanity in a forum you can get banned (and you may have earned it by breaking the forum rules), but with SOPA, if you write profanity in a forum, the whole website can get banned (regardless that it was a user fault and not the page fault).
Please correct me if I'm getting this wrong.
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Well, it wouldn't really be concerned with actual profanity, but the comparison is definitely right. If a user posts copyrighted material on YouTube then they get banned. With SOPA, if a user posts copyrighted material on YouTube then the whole site gets shut down.
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FYI same sheat we have; Internet "Filtering" in Turkey, first 22 August 2011 then 23 oct.
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I've been messaged a few times today asking what is our opinion in regards to the milestone events today. I'm just a moderator for SteamGifts, and it's completely developed and owned by one man. When asked what is our take on the blackouts, this question came at off-guard. SteamGifts isn't just one person. It's not just cg, Cult, and company. SteamGifts is a community made up of all of you. I'll say what's on my mind, but please keep that in mind that this community is what it is because of people like you.
When you hear people say, "It's 1984," they don't mean that America now finds itself as the New Oceania. The story and setting of 1984 didn't happen overnight. It took years to dehumanize, censor, and control the people to the point that life simply moved forward without question. While the adults understood the penalty of any infraction and were careful, children were evidence that the next generation would not only accept it, but embrace the ruling class. Those that shrug off the importance of the fight against bills like COICA, SOPA, and PIPA do not understand the importance of the internet in our own society and the world.
One consequence of either bill passing means that websites like Facebook, Reddit, Digg, YouTube, Twitter, and many, many others would simply cease to exist. This is only one example, but perhaps the most immediate upon these bills passing. Think of the generation after us and how they would know we went down without a fight, allowing those before us to sabotage the road ahead of them.
Thank you all for spreading awareness, especially on SteamGifts, considering we are a global community.
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