Hi SG,

There have been some revisions to the point system today, following up on yesterday's discussion.

  1. Points increased from 5P to 6P every 15 minutes.
  2. Point cap lowered from 500P to 400P.

Point Refunds for Deleted Giveaways

When a giveaway is deleted, points will now be returned to every user that entered. If you already have the maximum of 400P, you will receive points above the limit. For example, if you had 390P, and a giveaway you entered for 50P was deleted, you would then have 440P available. As expected, since you would be above the 400P cap, you would not receive additional points every 15 minutes until you dropped below 400P.

If a giveaway is undeleted, the opposite will occur, and points will be removed from your account if you previously entered. For example, in the above situation you had 440P after the 50P giveaway was deleted. If you continued to enter giveaways until 360P and the giveaway was then undeleted, you would drop to 310P, since you would once again have a 50P entry in that giveaway. In a rare situation where you used most of your points, and only had 10P available, the undeleted giveaway would lower you to -40P.

Removing Giveaway Entries

If you remove a giveaway entry, you can now also receive points above the cap. This means if you have 380P, and you remove two 15P giveaway entries, you will have 410P available. You would then remain at this amount until the points are spent.

9 months ago

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Do refund also apply when account is synced?

9 months ago
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Yes, if you sync your account and existing giveaway entries are removed because you now own the games, then you will have the points returned to your account. Or, if you win a giveaway, and the site removes other entries you have for the same game, you will also have the points returned.

9 months ago
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Finally.

9 months ago
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You would then remain at this amount until the points are spent.

no cap for overflowing points? infinite storage?

9 months ago
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Eventually you spend them back down to 400. If you don't enter giveaways having more points than others isn't an advantage.

9 months ago
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it's good to know that the official bank of sg points has become a reality at last.

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9 months ago
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I prefer the VIP entrance I know it's a real bank. I don't have photoshop skills T_T

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Everyone with 600+ points should get a "Banker" tag, represented by a Bank icon next to their username.

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9 months ago
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10/10! Would bank 600p for! xD

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yes, it could be a reality like the patreon star

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9 months ago
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and next - become a patreon to receive a bank icon instead of a star!

9 months ago
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Custom icons would be a great idea!! Especially for space cats!!!!

9 months ago
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Well I am never entering GAs so I have 100 points more than everyone else!

9 months ago
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I imagine having 500 points will be a "badge of honor" soon ... thought it could easily be cheated by removing from a bunch of GAs...

9 months ago
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Thank you for the update CG. ^^

Some changes I wanted like a little more points and the "refund" of deleted giveaways but I would have preferred that the cap would have remained at 500 points. A 500 points cap was really fine especially for the times there's an influx of giveaways. I think that more users will stash or bank points now.

EDIT: And I hope that the maximum giveaway entry will remain at 50 points.

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+1. I've not needed to bank points since the previous change, but that's going to be suboptimal now.

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Me too i think 500 was a good limit, don't even know why they changed it...

9 months ago
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Yep I agree that 500 is the cap that is good for the new system, especially when bundles hit

9 months ago
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+1 only for the max. cap / bank points

9 months ago
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Hi cg, thanks, those changes seem good to me.
What about the cap to 50 points for a single giveaway (I mean a game that costs 100$ is considered 50p). It was something that you wanted to remove, in the end do you decide to keep it?

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He said he would go with what the poll settled on, and it changed from 100 to 50 between him posting the previous thread and now.

9 months ago
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Yes, I left it at 50P for now because the poll seemed to move in that direction. I would like to revisit how point values are determined for games, but that's a discussion for another day.

9 months ago
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Thank you for this.

9 months ago
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LOL Do you still encourage further discussion?

You know that it never rains at everyone's taste ... :)

9 months ago
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You can at least think about changing it to 60P (most common AAA price), if you don't want to go all the way back to 100, cause 50P is just weird (feels like a random number with no reasoning behind it). Also that poll is lacking options (should at least provide 50P, 60P, 100P, no cap, if not more), thus skewing the results. Because I would be fine with either 60P or no cap, I had to vote on something I don't really care about. I'm pretty sure many people that don't want to go back to 100P wouldn't have an issue with 60P. Imo read the comments from that thread rather than focusing on pure numbers of a partial poll. Also now that you've changed regen to 6P per 15min, the 60P limit per GA would be even more fitting.

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Some people will want to keep the cap as low as possible because they don't want to make hard choices. They feel entitled to join for a pricey game without it affecting the number of entries they can put in other giveaways. These people will not be happy with any rise of the maximum cap.

I prefer the 100P cap (or even a 400P cap) because I feel like if you want to join a giveaway for "Call of Duty: WWII - Digital Deluxe" then you should have to think twice between joining for that or for a bunch of cheaper games.

9 months ago
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The no cap option (which currently would be 400P) is the best option imo, but I think it's even less likely to get implemented than the rollback to 100.

9 months ago
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awesome changes (at least the refunding part)

9 months ago
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#1 good, #2 bad
as I've lenghtly detailed here
#3+4 sound good too

3 steps forward, only 1 step back this time

giveaway is undeleted

That is even possible? Did that ever happen and why?

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3 steps forward, only 1 step back this time

That's what I'm thinking and I hope that the maximum giveaway entry remains at 50 points.

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+1

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Possible? Yes.
Happens? Yes.
Why? Various reasons.

9 months ago
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The point refund over the cap feature is nice. Thank you for your continuous improvements! I still prefer the cap at 500, though.

9 months ago
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Thank you for your time and effort to make SG better.
Any news regardless this issue? https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/oyh5k/group-refresh-buttons-1015-1022

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Excellent update all around, I think. Gives just a bit of incentive for repeat visitors without giving them an over-the-top advantage, while still managing to limit bot entries.

The only thing missing that you mentioned in your previous thread is the point cost cap. Was that changed back to 100p or did it stay at 50p?

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Yeah, the poll actually showed a lot more favorably than I expected, considering there are 900k users who have never made a giveaway on the site.

It's a little humorous watching people panic thinking it was going to be changed to 100p (or already had been) chuckle

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a little humorous watching people panic

Kind of strange in that regard to see you and a few others panicking about supposed banker advantages where this update hasn't really made any difference in that regard.
Seems like a lack of understanding of the processes combined with fantasizing some extreme unrealistic examples, that can be read in some posts.

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Did it come off as panicking? Hadn't even really considered the banking thing until I saw others talking about it, and now I'm more curious than anything why there's a cap at all

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Maybe yours less than others, but some heavily blow it out of proportion.
All the while there are far bigger and more important issues to fix.

why there's a cap at all

cg wrote about that: to avoid a situation where a user comes in a/after a month and just enters everything in sight.
Gotta agree with that, some cap is needed. But it can be far bigger than now. I'd say 2 or 3 days are no problem at all, more possibly works too.

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None of this really affects me much (I've got points coming out my butt still), but I'm always curious about the "hows and whys" of everything -- so I ask.

EDIT: To put it in better perspective, I was more concerned the community would become a ghost-town if things were made too easy for the causal visitor, and that everyone would become a casual visitor. So far that doesn't appear to be the case, so I'm all good with the changes.

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The changed point cap won´t affect me, I´ve never had full points (not even 300, the old limit) since they changed the system, and it´s not like I enter that many giveaways now, I usually enter ones with an hour or less left and with fewer than 300 entries :(

9 months ago
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Is there a limit how many points you can have by removing giveaway entries?

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It's a 32-bit signed integer, so the limit is 2,147,483,647.

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That's a lot of points! Wouldn't it allow to farm massive points, for e.g. the next humble monthly?

9 months ago
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lol, try to reach that, only takes 10214 years

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Not to reach the end of cause. That's practically impossible.
I'm talking about entering long lasting giveaways as a source for more points if you need them.
Users who don't always spend there points could find a very large point-bank in it.

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That's not really a new thing by any means though.

9 months ago
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That's true. It's just more effective now.

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No, not really.
Going above the cap stops your income. Where is the advantage there?

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I though it might make it possible or at least easier to save up more points. Maybe my concerns are unfounded.
I'm not a expert here and don't use those tricks myself. It was simply the first though I had when I heard about this limit.
I guess cg will notice if users finds a way to use it for his/her adventage.

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Yep...

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That made me LOL. :p

9 months ago
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You can undelete a giveaway? o.0

So, the effective storage now is 800 points, you only need to spend one day's worth and wait until you get back to 400 again before cashing it out.

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Not sure I understand - effective storage is much higher since you can bank several days' worth of points and cash out whenever. It's pointless though since you won't receive points while exceeding the cap. But it's very nice that excess points aren't 'wasted' anymore.

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Ah,, true. You can bank 400 points for each day for 30 days.
Damn, that is a lot of points.

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By juggling points from giveaways about to end towards newly created long-term giveaways, you could probably reach even higher numbers.
But either way, your point bank is stored as entries you can remove whenever. The cap itself doesn't really change anything in that regard. You'd always want to move points from entries to other entries and keep your raw point value close to zero (so you're far from the cap and can keep generating points).

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you yourself cannot undelete GA (just tested), it's probably meant for support undeletions in cases when deletion occured because of accident. Like recently Support was mass deleting Outlast 2 GAs because they were for Outlast 1 freebie from Humble, but in case someone was actually giving away Outlast 2 (I know at least one person who did create real one,m but she stated in description and didn't get deleted I believe) support can undelete GA they deleted by accident. Probably you can also write a ticket to restore GA which was running but you deleted it by accident (for example you made 2 GAs, 1st with wrong region lock, 2nd with correct, wanted to delete first but by accident deleted 2nd).

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I feel safe

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Good job with the point refunding - this calls for a celebration after two years! The 'undeleting' part makes sense too, though I've never ever known it was possible to do this, nor have I ever seen such a case before.
Temporarily allowing you to break the cap limit is a lovely feature too, especially if you have a lot of ongoing entries for a game that you win while you're away - the excess points refunded from the giveaways you're forced to leave are then safe. Thumbs up for adding this feature on your own.
I still find 6P way too low, but at least it's better than 5P. Maybe we'll even get 7 or 8 if you're in a better mood next time.

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I already see a new meta coming game : accumulating the highest amount of points... in 10 days we will see people with 5000+ unspent points ^^

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What about deleted giveaways that were received by the winner ?

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Is it common for such to get deleted? Seems rare at most.

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not really that common I would say - each time something gets removed from GA list because of it being currently free and flooding SG Support is deleting GAs for said game that were created after promo went live. Since support cannot monitor website 24/7 it usually takes at least few hours for game to get deleted, in this time good chunk of these GAs will end (especially flash ones).

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Does that still happen though? I'd think game gets nocv tag and removed from list. Deleting GAs is pointless now as they can be given out later again.
Last I checked no Psychonauts gib was deleted.

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You can give away games which were previously free, you cannot give away games that are currently free - to avoid floods. Outlast got removed from GA list, GAs got deleted and it got readded only after humble promo ended, now with nocv tag.

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I don't see any mass deletion by staff for Outlast.
Don't forget some gifters delete themselves after getting notified.

9 months ago
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They also return points. If the feedback is accurate and the winner did receive a gift, they technically shouldn't return points, but as Tristar mentioned, I think it's rare.

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Good evening cg. Is there a chance or is there anything in the works for a group refresh button on SG? This would not only help groups in the SG community but it would also help lessen the workload for SG support as there would be a lot less tickets for rerolls due to people no longer being apart of the group for whatever reason. The support thread is in the link below. Thanks for your time.

https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/oyh5k/group-refresh-buttons-1015-1022

8 months ago
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Point Refunds for Deleted Giveaways

Oh, cg, I love you so!

9 months ago
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Many thanks for the great changes to point refunding!

9 months ago
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Just two words: Thank you!

9 months ago
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Bad change regarding cap. . Slight increase of points is good but cosmetic. Returning points for deleted giveaway is great change.

9 months ago
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5+5=10
6+6=12

My head is now glitched and troubled.

9 months ago
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Can we get 5 points every 12.5 minutes instead? Or maybe 1 point every 150 seconds? /sarc

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It still not perfect!

5x4=20 by hour! It's a beautiful decimal, pleases my eyes.
12.5x5=62.5 is a result that hurts me in many ways
86400/150=576 points by day! 57-SIX.

It's not God's creation! Heresy!

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Doesn't change my opinion about new system neither positive nor negative. I still stand on position thatr flexible system just heavilly reduced would be much better than any form of static fixed system - be it 5P/15min or 6P/15min.

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For example, in the above situation you had 440P after the 50P giveaway was deleted

I hope you considered scenarios where people may collude to maximize their points by deleting invite-only fake giveaways of high-point games/software.

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We can view deleted giveaways on user profiles. If we come across anything suspicious, such as a high amount of deleted giveaways, the user would need to provide a reasonable explanation for why they exist.

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Sounds good, thanks for replying!

9 months ago
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Won't happen. Costs slots and enough legitimate GAs exist. Points aren't really abundant either.

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It might not happen, but I don't think it's a given. For every GA of a free game one still gets 3 slots, right? That's potentially 300 extra points for each of the friends of the fake-GA creator, without him/her losing any slots in total. All they need to do is create GAs of free games, and these don't cost them anything.

Let's hope that the detection that cg mentioned above will be sufficient to catch such attempts, or even better - that it will be enough to deter people from trying ;-)

9 months ago
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Wonderful improvements. Thank you once again, cg

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