Yes I know.
I know, I know.
At the risk of being completely shunned by the community I have one last points system rant left in me.

I think we should lower the points generation of the site (again)

Reasons:

1. People don't say thank you enough/at all

Many people think this is a big problem that people don't say thank you when they enter a giveaway.
I think it really isn't that big of a problem.
WHY?
Because you can't expect people of being thankful when it's so easy to enter a giveaway. Entering giveaways is not a big deal because we have too many points. MAKE ENTERING GIVEAWAYS A BIG DEAL by decreasing the points generation.

2. People don't read the description of the giveaways to see what the gifter has to say about the game/if the giveaway is fake/ if the gifter has something they want people to know about the game

Best way to fix this problem? Have less points so people are actually wary of fake giveaways. Right now there is a giveaway for 2 copies of Modern Warfare 3 and a giveaway for 2 copies of Skyrim.

Seeing as how there are so many entries for these (myself included) people obviously don't care whether or not the giveaways are fake because they have more than enough points to enter.

3. The Site Will Just Keep Growing

We are close to 25,000 members. The more members we have the more entries per giveaway, the more entries per giveaway = less chances of winning = chances of winning a giveaway is equated to winning the steam top 10 wishlist drawing (exagerration). Entering giveaways should be harder than it is now.

4. Change the site from people thinking they can enter every game that they are sort of interested in to games people really want

Let us not forget why we are here (excluding the super generous minority). We want to win giveaways!
And we have tons of points so why not?
I enter for games that look sort of interesting, you enter for games that look sort of interesting. I try to restrain myself, with less than 250 entries being here since the site launched, but there are tons of people who enter for every giveaway they can as long as they have the spare points.
It's not right that the person who REALLY wants to win Killing Floor never wins one because someone else who thinks it looks neat and plays it for 1 hour and is done with it decided to enter.

5. Big Games are too easy to enter for

At this point of the site, it really isn't that hard to save up 50-60p. Every day we get tons of points, be inactive for 1-2 days and you can enter for Skyrim. We need to make people more conservative. People should have 100p at all times in case someone makes a Skyrim giveaway.

It's hard to explain but you should feel pressured to NOT enter games you only sort of want in FEAR that a giveaway you do want is made.

We need to be thinking that points won't come back as fast as they do now, so you better save up and NOT enter for
Petz Horsez 2

Entering giveaways should be a big deal

Every single point has to be a big deal, we have to go from
"OH man, I need 5 more points to enter for Killing Floor which looks cool" to "OH man, I need 5 more points to enter for Killing Floor which I must REALLY want because 5 points is a big deal, what if someone makes a Skyrim giveaway and I can't enter that?"

Why does the person who registered last week have 300 giveawya entries?
Too many points.

I propose cutting the points generation in half from 5% to 2.5%

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While I like the idea I feel that this seems to be more of a band aid to large giveaways. We need to find a system where it isn't necessary to constantly decrease point generation. Just to clarify though i approve this as a stopgap.

and FIRST!!!!!!!!!11

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At this point, let's make points generation 0,1% eh.

1 decade ago
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ALSO the problem is not the points generation, the problem is that we're going 1k+ members per day. Who the fuck is inviting everyone God help us.

EDIT: also, why not make you can enter 3 giveaways (or 5 or how much you think it's ok(not 1 or 2 obviously -_-")) per day limit ?

1 decade ago
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i TOTALLY agree with you,they should make a day limit for giveaways like 3 giveaways each day :) nice idea +rep

1 decade ago
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While I may not agree with all of your points I do agree with the fact that it's really easy to rack up points. A new member can, in less than a day, stock enough points for a game like Skyrim.

That sounds too easy, and makes entering giveaways for lower priced games you want badly real hard to win when everyone has spare points to go for it without a second glance.

1 decade ago
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Im arsenic, and i approve this topic.

'' Insert Arsenic Seal here ''

1 decade ago
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I agree with you.
2.5% (or even lower) FTW!

1 decade ago
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I think the reaction at the moment is a bit over the top. The points have been inflated by the Dirt 3 leak, but they were pretty slow going there for a while.

1 decade ago
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I've been here since the beggining and I've felt this way and most people would agree we ger too many points.
You've been here two months with 450 giveaway entries (and you've won a lot dang lol).

Someone who has been here 2 months shouldn't have so many entries in my opinion.

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I've won a lot because they were private and I'm active in other parts of this community and other communities that hosted them. I also probably have an inflated amount of entries because I tend to go after smaller indie titles or old ones, as my PC is terrible and can't run most newer expensive entry games.

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Understood, but without singling out members of the site I see lots of people who are approaching the 500 entries mark with 3 months on the site which equates to around 160 entries every month, which I think is a lot regardless of what the games are

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I think the recent rush of points is due to all the fake giveaways that were put up.

I normally have a decent amount of points here, but I think that is because I have a decent amount of games in my library, and most of the ones being put up, I already have. There are plenty of people around here who regularly have a low amount of points, and that's cause they are entering for a lot more giveaways, because they don't have all the games that are put up here.

It's not a problem of the 5%, it's dependent on the user

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Right, but having lots of games hasn't stopped you from having over 400 giveaway entries. I'm saying that points should be decreased so people can't enter as often as they can in order to increase the chances of winning per giveaway.

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No, it hasn't.... In the 3+ months I've been here... When the methods of getting points has changed a few times..

1 decade ago
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OK I see what you mean, the site went form no points to 10% to 5%. At 10% it was bad and 5% it got alot better but maybe we should try 2.5%? and this way percentage can be lowered as more people join the site

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But that still doesn't say anything towards the fact that a bunch of people here already constantly have low points and can't enter for a lot of giveaways.

At least, that has happened on some of my giveaways here recently.

1 decade ago
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Could you go in a little bit more detail I would like to know because from what I see noone is ever unable to enter something they really want unless they registered the day before or something.

1 decade ago
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I make a private giveaway, share the link in chat, and some of the people either say in chat, or in the comments section, that they don't have enough points to enter. And some of these are like 10-15p giveaways.

Edit: Maybe we could try out 2.5%, but here's what I see being the case. The people who don't have barely any points now, will have even less, and have even less chance to win because of it. Those who have more games, or at least most of the ones commonly given away here, will still have a heftier sum of points to spend because they aren't spending them on the games they have. The way I could see it evening out is if there were a wider selection of games given away, but that can't just be implemented.

1 decade ago
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Well aren't people who spend their points rather than save for a game they really want part of the problem?

Maybe they meant they didn't have enough points because they were already entered in other giveaways which means they are doing it right.
They just ddn't want to withdraw from the other giveaways otherwise there is no way they couldn't get 10 points

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No, not exactly. I don't see it as that black and white. If a person is here, and never sees a game they really want, they will sit here forever with 300 points. No matter what the % is, they will always have the max. Of course they are gonna spend them, why shouldn't they. Plus, you may win a game you didn't really want, and then end up loving it to death.

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good point, that last one...

1 decade ago
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Right, and it hasn't stopped you from entering almost 250 giveaways.
I am one of those who almost never had over 100 points, even though I'm not spending them mindlessly. I do have to think about which giveaways I enter, and check if it's fake or not, even though I'm not mainly after AAA titles, but more like games with a $5 to $30 price tag.

I have to be honest, the inflation caused by the fake DiRT 3 rush actually helped me a lot, but even this way I had to really think which games I want to go after. That's the reason I wasn't able to enter any of the 3 Frozen Synapse giveaways currently going on.

Nevertheless, I don't mind having to choose between games, but I am against to what you're suggesting, because my constantly low points would mean an even bigger disadvantage compared to those who can save up as they are not really interested in many titles.

What I would like though (and would make more sense to me), is the suggestion made by Nintendo and Tiny in this topic: a ticket system in which 1 ticket equals 1 entry. Tiny suggested 1 ticket per day, with the maximum number of tickets set to 5, but private giveaways wouldn't count. This means that everyone would enter the games they are actually interested in, since entering a $5 and a $60 giveaway "costs" the same.
Let me explain why:

  • With the current system, if someone's after AAA titles worth 50 or 60 points, they are able to enter 6 or 5 giveaways if they have a maximum number of points. Reaching 300 points takes about 3 days with the inflation caused by the DiRT 3 giveaways, but it would take around 5 without them.
  • However, if they are not interested in those mentioned above, they can easily enter to many of the games that they don't really know what are about, but they are "cheap" enough to go with a 'heck, why not?' attitude.

With the suggested ticket system, entering any of the giveaways would actually mean losing at least 20% of your "points", and you would be forced to seriously consider if you really want to do that. And those who are able to save up (whatever their reason is) also couldn't enter too many "cheap" giveaways.

1 decade ago
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TLDR ZOMG. trollface

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The problem with the ticket system is that people start passing on games they might really love, waiting for the big names to come out. Then it's not "do I have a point budget?" but rather "Oh, I entered five entries for a cheap game I would adore." So even active people who would have points get bitten by the budgeting.

1 decade ago
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How about giving the points when a giveaway has ended AND the user earned his reward?

This would generally fix the fake giveaway part.

1 decade ago
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This is a good idea that many people have suggested I don't know why it hasn't been implemented but even without fake giveaways I think points generation should be decreased

1 decade ago
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I object this idea.
The situation is fine as it is.

1 decade ago
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Right now you have 266 Giveaways Entered. You have been here one month. If everyone is getting this many points don't you think it would be to your benefit that everyone is more strict on what they eneter for? 266 is a lot. 1,000 entries for every giveaway means you have 1/1000 chance of winning the giveaway. So wouldn't it be better if you entered for less giveaways but each one only had 500 people in it?

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I see no problem. Entering is easy, but the more people that enter, the lower chance you have of winning. The point system does not make much sense to begin with because in almost every giveaway you have less than 1% chance of actually winning.

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so we must make the 1/1000 chance to a 1/100 chance?! I love it!
just kidding i know what you're saying but the idea here is give the people who really want to win the best chance
you'd be surprised how entries drop for $10 indie games once people have less points

The more we decrease the percentage of points generation the less entries per giveaway

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Still think it should be lower.

1 decade ago
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ideally it would be set up so low that people could only enter once a day or something so that every enters for the game THEY MUST HAVE rather than what we have now.
I would make it lower but one step at a time haha maybe once we reach 30,000 members

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part of this is from fake giveaways and dirt 3 but yes we have way too many points

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1 decade ago
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I feel like all the upsides you make for less points already apply now to an extent. Some people just don't thank others no matter what, though.

Who registered last week and has 300 giveaway entries? I think you're exaggerating overall. 5% point generation gives us a bit of freedom (way less freedom than 10% did), and I think just a bit isn't a bad thing.

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ya I am exaggerating there but should we really have freedom to enter giveaways or a strict agenda of what games we really want over all others

1 decade ago
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I don't think wanting hundreds of spam "THANK YOU" messages for each giveaway is a very good thing. It's entirely pointless and drowns out relevant comments.

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Like what?

1 decade ago
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sometimes people ask how the gifter felt the game was, or whether it is moddable, any tips the gifter can offer, etc

1 decade ago
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I agree here. When I thank, I always add something that is relevant to the game. If I can't come up with anything, I don't do it. Now, if I were to win the gifter would get a sincere, heartfelt thanks directly from me in all cases, but a mindless 'Thanks!' comment on a giveaway with 100 other identical comments doesn't do anything.

1 decade ago
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I think people should be allowed to enter giveaways multiple times. Would help with the point inflation and people wouldn't just be entering into every single game they don't have.

1 decade ago
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You can enter in giveaways multiple times?

1 decade ago
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No, he's saying he wants to be able to.

1 decade ago
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Ah I thought he said shouldn't

1 decade ago
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I say decrease the points earned even further then 2.5% and give people points for submitting giveaways.

1 decade ago
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No, its fine where its at for now. We just decreased them a little while ago, (in which I was in complete support of.) Lets let the site develope a lil more first before we get too hasty.

Long enough book?

1 decade ago
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I guess its just a matter of preference, but in my mind if people are still able to enter for so many games every day we have to many points

1 decade ago
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Even if you lower it there's still going to be entries that are going to go over the 1k mark. There is no way to fix that.

1 decade ago
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yes the biggest games like deus ex HR will still have tons of entries but smaller games will have less

1 decade ago
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I'm glad kijib has the ear of the moderators and administrators of this site, because if I ran the show he wouldn't be here to make whining topics like this every fucking week.

1 decade ago
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Wow big talk from a man with 342 giveaway entries, and you've been here how long? ONE MONTH? Maybe you should just enter giveaways for games you actually want!

1 decade ago
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+1 I agree Midnight

1 decade ago
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Can I ask why in fuck's name the odds need to be improved? It's a lottery. Was I misinformed, or with the promise of an invite does one person win the one true $5 indie game of their dreams? Or is it a fucking lottery?

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+1 as well. :P

1 decade ago
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I am still intrigued by the idea voiced awhile back where each member is only allowed 10 entries. Wasn't it Cult and you, kijib, that came up with that? BFFs?

Whatever happened to that?

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It was mostly cult but yah that got swept aside after we went from 10 to 5%...it really needs to be less in my opinion still way to many people entering for games they don't really want

1 decade ago
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Kijib reposted what Cult said and claimed he made modifications to the idea.

1 decade ago
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not true I added a crucial modification cult told me to make a thread

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I agree with this, because not only would it make it harder to enter games, but also Decrease the amount of Invites being Sent out.

At the Moment, I try to only enter Giveaway's I WANT to Win, I however still have 300 Points even while trying to unload them.

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exactly, I'm entered in like 3 modern warfare 3s and 3 skyrims and i still have plenty of points, that doesn't seem right

1 decade ago
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Did everyone forget about ticket system? 5 Tickets Per day, and all games cost one ticket, which will make these cheaper giveaways have less entries, but the ones who'll enter will really love them, on the other hand CoD fanboys can keep entering their 60$ worth AAA BS. :3

1 decade ago
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What about 1 ticket per day and you can save up tickets up to a total of 5?

Private giveaways are free to enter.

1 decade ago
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^ This. It seems like a good idea and I wholeheartedly support it.

1 decade ago
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Simple and effective.

1 decade ago
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^This. [Gereble's post :P]

1 decade ago
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I do remember cults post, and I am still 100% behind that idea.

1 decade ago
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One million thousand percent for this idea. I'm a new user (about 2 weeks I guess?) and have a lot of entries for indie titles, which usually cost next to nothing. I would love the idea of a chance to win higher than 0.2%, and the ticket system fits what I would like stemgifts to be perfectly. This way no one can say "I don't have enough points" but at the same time no one can say "There are too many entries". This said, it will work until the current giver:user ratio (which afaik is 1:3) doesn't change; if we find ourselves with a ratio of, say, 1:6 or worse it will be kind of the same it is now. I'd say 5 tickets/day (reset tickets at midnight or whenever, so at any given time a user has 5 tickets max)for now, and if things get out of control again drop it to 1 ticket/day, 5 max

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Neither lowering points or changing the entry system will increase or decrease your odds of winning a game over a period of time because you will have less (or more) entries. However, that being said, when you do win a game you will be more likely to win a title that you really want. (I say this because people always think they might have better odds of winning but really they don't. As soon as someone says better odds of winning everyone jumps on board blindly.) What this system eliminates is reasons to create a fake giveaway, because no one will benefit from a giveaway being created.

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I agree too they should limit the giveaway system :3

1 decade ago
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"4. Change the site from people thinking they can enter every game that they are sort of interested in to games people really want"

I'd be curious to see what things would be like if people could enter giveaways for games on their wishlist (or maybe only the top ten listed), and then impose an extra points fee (flat fee or percentage based on cost of the game, I'm not sure which would be more effective) for the games that aren't wishlisted. That way it would still allow people to try out new games that they may be interested in, but prevent people from going overboard in entries for games that they're only mildly interested in.

ETA: Then again, a ticket system would be simpler to implement and might be more effective than what I mentioned above.

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People could just add the games to their wishlist to avoid this "fee"

1 decade ago
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Well in that case, only the first 10 items wishlisted would be without the fee.

1 decade ago
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You can arrange your wishlist in any order at any time

1 decade ago
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even if my wishlist is +110 games long :3?

1 decade ago
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No.

1 decade ago
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No reasoning behind your opinion, or just unwilling to express it?

1 decade ago
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I feel the same. I may not have been here for that long, but just looking at some of these giveaways where there's quite literally 3,000 people in a raffle for ONE copy of a game, it seems a bit ridiculous. I've also noticed that a large portion of people winning games haven't actually given back to the community either.
I suppose I'll just wait around and see how dramatic things become when we hit 50,000 members in the not-so-distant future. (Provided the points system is not adjusted prior to that)

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This is GREAT, but even 2.5% is not enough.. Please, no more than 1%..

1 decade ago
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yes! i agree as well. Too many points

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Closed 1 decade ago by kijib.