What do you think?
Doesn't the ability to set levels for our giveaways effectively solve this problem? If you want to limit your giveaway to only people who contribute giveaways to the site, set your giveaways to level 1 or 2.
Comment has been collapsed.
Uhm, no? They will still receive a max of 400P, regardless of your settings.
Comment has been collapsed.
Right, but they won't be able to enter any of your giveaways, so what do you care how many points they get?
Comment has been collapsed.
Exactly. Everything you've said here is spot on. Even if one were to ignore the highly subjective nature of the topic raised by the OP it still begs the question of why they are seemingly giving the impression of a desire to exert some sort of control over everyone else's giveaways. Worry about your own giveaways and let others mind theirs how they see fit. This is why we have options.
Comment has been collapsed.
Are you by chance the Reddit user who posts many helpful 3DS posts?
Comment has been collapsed.
Yes sir. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be many deals these days from the conventional avenues and the sub is gradually dying down. That's not unexpected though of course. The Switch is the present and future.
Comment has been collapsed.
Yeah, you're quite right. It's understandable. The 3DS had a great run, but it was bound to come to an end eventually.
At that same time, thank you for all your helpful posts and comments over the years. That deserves a blue heart, at the least. :)
Comment has been collapsed.
Well thank you, much appreciated. The 3DS has been a great system and my first console since the GameCube. I suppose it's been kind of a labor of love, because we all like deals right :)
Comment has been collapsed.
Timobkg: +1, you are correct. Creating giveaways at level 0 means you are okay with users who gave away nothing to earn something. If those users give away anything worth any cv, they will move up to level 1 and beyond.
OP: This thread is simply asking for some sort of extra punishment when there's already the level system which is there to encourage people to give away to move up, rather than a point system to make them feel like they don't belong here because they barely earn any points. Why not just set your giveaways where you want them to be earned, if you feel like the user who will win your game should have given away at least $100(fat full price) worth of games I believe that's level 2, and you can go from there.
We all started at level 0, sure some users will never give away and that's okay. This isn't a swap key site, it's a giveaway site, at least that's how I'm treating it. I didn't join here with the intention of earning more than anyone else based on my ratio, and my expectation giving away keys isn't that someone will gift just as much as me or whatever I think is fair. Not everyone has the same circumstances as me so that would be a little selfish. When I was a kid I didn't work a job and so wasn't able to afford bundles here and there to have extra keys to give away. I assume this is the scenario for a lot of people you call "lechers". However, it would've been nice if I could've had the opportunity to have played a much higher selection of games back then too, because I was a kid and loved video games from the moment I started playing. Since those things didn't exist when I was a kid, I'd at least like to help maintain that dream come reality for someone else where some people can get lucky and earn games for free simply by entering giveaways, regardless if what they do with the game is just use the trading cards to sell them and buy a game they want, or whatever. For that reason, if I have extra keys I will give them away here without expecting anything in return such as special treatment because of my circumstances. That's how I feel about it.
Comment has been collapsed.
This isn't a swap key site, it's a giveaway site,
This!
Comment has been collapsed.
then levels and group giveaways shouldn't be allowed.
you will see that without levels the number of giveaways will drop to the lowest % in the history of this web.
i bet around 80-90% of giveaways are made just to level up with games that probably only 1% of people want......
and yes....yeah i see a lot of people with 1000 giveaways but when you look what games they giveaway you see that almost 99% of that games are bundle and the tipical indie games that no one play besides for archivement hunt or collection and the few nice games they gave are blocked to a very few people (a bit hipocrite behaviour).
what this web shouldn't allow it's be a level 0 and enter in giveaways, it's a shame that someone that came here for games don't contribute when you can get level 1 with just giving away a game of a few centims. just a cancer that lecheers that can't contribute with 0.10 centims games for get a lvl 1.
pathetic and sad and all level 0 should be ashamed considering that you can sell cards in market and buy a game easy on any steam sale.
Comment has been collapsed.
SteamGifts respects everybody, something you don't.
SG gives the option to the people! That is an amazing feature. If you don't like lv 0 users, you can create giveaways to lv 1+. If you don't care to give your games to lv 0 users, you can give them your games.
It's so simple and it gets ridiculous to read comments like yours or the guy who created the post.
Dude, let's grow up. There are many important things to worry about, lv 0 users being limited is not one of those things, since it is already solved. You should be ashamed for commenting such pathetic thing. Respect the people who wants to give their games to any user, SG is free to give your games to whoever you want (groups or levels are limited if you want, YOU HAVE THE OPTION).
p.s.: I agree that 400 points is too much, but 50 is not enough, let the people join giveaways, what the hell is happening here, maybe 300? So we wouldn't feel like a pay to win site LOL nvm
Comment has been collapsed.
Love this site! I don't even have to answer myself, it is done for me almost to the letter what I would have answered myself. Thank you, AliceB! ;-)
SG gives the option to the people! That is an amazing feature. If you don't like lv 0 users, you can create giveaways to lv 1+.
This!
Comment has been collapsed.
respect the people that just enter in giveaways for don't play the games or because they just want farm cards???
i can understand people that win 1 or 3 games and don't play it later because can be a lot of circustances, but i'm not going to respect the people (lecheers level 0) that just enter for collection because for the start that people don't respect others that enter the giveaway because have the illusion to win a game they want to play.
the way you think it's the worse in this world, you never solve nothing like this, the only you do it's ignore the problem with nice and cute words but without think in anyone else than "what's the good thing to do" or you only think on you and your tougths and then they are supreme and you have the reason always.
no my little random user don't say excuses like you have an "option" if anyone it's that despicable to don't giveaway a game for 0.10 centims when they get thousand of free cards in steam for play games and event sales they don't deserve any respect from my part.
and be clear all the people that enter in this web it's for win games at the start and not for giveaway games, that's an irrefutable fact, deal with it, and the mayority of people that gave games here it's for the level to get the chance to enter in the real good AAA giveaways that almost always are level 6+++++. or for enter in little groups with also nice game giveaway.
i don't saw almost no one givingaway a nice game without win the points, the only post that you see like that are people with a lot of bundle keys that can't sell anywhere and they just copy and paste all the keys in a post.
so don't be hipocrite and talk about respect when 90% of people are here because his own interest and not for giveaway etc....
the day that bundles sellers webs die, this web will die also, remember this words.
Comment has been collapsed.
When we GIVE something with our heart, we don't care how the person will use the gift.
If I GIVE a t-shirt to a friend, he can sell, give or use it, it's his t-shirt now.
When you GIVE something and demand the person to do what you want, that is not a gift and you're not respecting their property. At the moment someone wins a game, that game is not yours anymore, you GAVE the game.
Again, SG offers an amazing feature, easy to use, you know. You can limit the giveaways to levels or groups. Start using that and you are doing your part, don't need to care about people who want to GIVE their games to lv 0 users, their rights to GIVE them.
Man, you are a waste of energy of the universe. Start using the brain you have and think more, you are a joke with those thoughts. If you don't like, don't use it, if you don't care or like, use it. Simple and you have the option, option is a magic word, freedom, yay LOL
Comment has been collapsed.
When we GIVE something with our heart, we don't care how the person will use the gift.
I generally give with my brain, that's why I set level 1-2 limitations on it :P but that doesn't keep out the 1:300 people, but oh well. I just put the more valuable / loved stuff behind slight puzzles. But to return to your point - whatever limitation I set (or don't), whoever gets past it are treated as equal. I'm still happy for a user who gets their first win for me, or grumble about someone who just hoards them, but it's easier to move on than making topics and ideas about how to punish them further just because.
Comment has been collapsed.
so you defend the people that enter giveaways for don't play the game but just farm cards no?
you defend that people that don't respect others than really want to play one game and can't play it because another guy just wanted some free cards??
and i'm the "joke tougths??"
where left you what i said then???
garbage toughts?????
Comment has been collapsed.
As you said yourself, many games given away here are just bundle leftovers that people don't have any use for. I have certainly given away lots of those, and I honestly don't care if people use them only to farm cards.
Also, what is a leecher even? There was a time when many users called everyone with a ratio below 1:1 a leecher. Which would include you, by the way. Is someone a leecher, if he has 0:30? What if that person really doesn't have any money to buy games? There are many people in the world who have to spend their money for food and rent. Should we really demand that they create giveaways, so we're "even"? I don't think so. I think if someone is happy for a moment, because he won a game from me, that's great. And if that means that there are also some genuine leecher among those people that win the games I have no use for anyway, then that's perfectly fine. As said before, the site provides tools to lock out people with level or group restrictions. So everyone can decide for themselves, if they want to do level 0 giveaways or not.
What we definitely should not do is take all the fun out of this site. We also should not create entry barriers for newcomers. I believe some of the fun for a new member comes from entering a decent number of giveaways. Browsing what is available and entering what seems interesting or promising. Why would we ever limit that?
Comment has been collapsed.
no money??? how i said before steam sales came with free cards where you can win a few bucks, with that you buy a game for 0.10$, gg you are now level 1 you are not a lecheer anymore.
there's others way to give tools to people than give levels and group restrictions, on your own comment what happen with that people that don't have money?? they will never level up, why you don't provide to that people tools to get level up without spend money?
don't try to hide the truth, this isn't a giveaway site, it's a trading site disguised as giveaway site.
you trade money for levels ---> you enter better giveaways to have better chances to win
AKA you buy % of chances to win
you want a real giveaway site??? remove the level system and group system, remove the count of giveaways done and games won, and remove any restrictions to enter the givceaways, then you will have a real giveaway site.
it's easy to talk with nice words ---> oh how cool this guy giving games for "free", no he is not giving any game for free, he is giving games for levels, a real guy that giveaway games for free do it 100% free, come to the forums write there something like "who want this game" and buy for him directly in steam without create a giveaway that gives them points (and before you say nothing i did that a few times with the games trine before they went to any bundle, in fact all my games was bougth from steam before they went to any bundle).
so please just stop saying this is a giveaway site, because it's wrong, this is a trading site disguised as giveaway site.
50% of people do his giveaways for free for win levels
40% do giveaways because they are not going to play the game and just give it to someone random while win some levels
10% do the giveaways because they are good persons (aka people that giveaway 50$ cost games unbundle) while they win some levels to get better chances to win.
believe me when i say that if they doen't win anything they will never do a giveaway for random people, instead they will buy to their few close friends.
is better don't be hipocrite, because that's how the humans are, deal with it, only a very few are really good people.
and i'm not saying there isn't good people, there is and i found 3 in steam forums that gave me a game for free directly and they was all random people that i never meet before that bought 4 pack games.
the same way and how i said before you can check my post history that you will see a few REAL giveaway where i gave a few times the games Trine 1 and 2 to random people using the forums of this web, without win any point for level etc....
the only purpose to have a level system it's to urgue people to "giveaway" more games and you know it, even all people know it but they are not going to say it because in the deep the 99% of people don't giveaway because they are nice people but because they want more level to enter in high level giveaways (because it's where the 99% of triple AAA games and really good games are)
P.D --> for me lecheer it's a guy that have 0 giveaways and won some games and never go further than level 0
Comment has been collapsed.
I understand your point but to sell cards you have to invest real money in steam (or get gift card) - otherwise market is blocked. So poor user canβt do it. But as far as I remember you have to invest 100$ to join steamgifts. Thus there should be no poor people hire.
Comment has been collapsed.
so after all you saw by yourself how pointless it's to point to you need to invest in steam to sell things no?
xD
and yes you need to have an steam account worth 100$ before join here to win games.
Comment has been collapsed.
Actually I joined sg without spending single cent in steam store. Buying CD and magazines with steam keys is still an option (especially if currency exchange costs are high).
Comment has been collapsed.
From where did you get the 50-40-10 percentage from?
Comment has been collapsed.
If someone is actually a 30 years old man and what they do with their time is enter level 0 steam gifts giveaways with the hope of making an income from steam trading cards by selling them from the games they win I honestly wouldn't even be bothered about it.
Just some simple math for you but minimum wage in my area is around $11 an hour, and a trading card is around $0.05, which gets them a total of 220 trading cards per hour worked at an actual job. So next time you think someone is a leecher, maybe open their account go through every game they won, check how many have cards, let me know if they're making at least minimum wage anywhere in the world. I cannot see any benefit of farming a game for it's trading cards to sell them as an adult, versus going to an actual job and just buying some actual steam wallet credit. I can however see someone who doesn't have the possibility of working doing this to earn some cents for whatever reason if their circumstances are that they can't get any otherwise or they have too much free time on their hands and don't know how to use it.
Comment has been collapsed.
the problem with your argument it's that you don't think before say it.
it's better to save that cards and buy the bundle game you want for cheap from traders in the other web steamtrades, there's a lot of uses from cards than just sell them, however yes, people enter in giveaways to sell cards also, that's a fact.
how the meme say -----> It's free!!!!!!
you don't need any other excuse to see people entering in all giveaways of games they are not going to play.
P.D--- > 11$ an hour??? wow here you win 5 or 5.50 EUROS an hour and in other countries win even less, so don't think the wage it's the same around the world.
Comment has been collapsed.
"it's better to save that cards and buy the bundle game you want for cheap from traders in the other web steamtrades, there's a lot of uses from cards than just sell them, however yes, people enter in giveaways to sell cards also, that's a fact."
So what you're saying, keep letting them win level 0 giveaways, they don't give away games because they are already poor and don't have a lot of money, sell the trading cards and buy what they want from a trader. That's exactly what I said. Somewhere in your thinking process, you imagine them also giving away games tho which doesn't make sense.
I also don't expect anyone to be playing Bad Rats or some other atrocity of a bad game and do 100% achievements if I'm gonna give it away, I'd be a monster. If I give away garbage that was created simply for the sale of trading cards, the winner might as well take advantage of the opportunity. That's what you don't seem to understand. I would appreciate if they took the time to play the game even if a little whenever they had a chance if it was decent at all or interesting, but for me to go to the extent of requiring them to write a review or something, subbing to my youtube channel, I mean, come on, that was an extra from a bundle and I already knew when I was buying the bundle that I wasn't gonna use that key. Now I'm gonna try and hold someone accountable for writing something nice about the game, scam them into farming the cards for me maybe so I make money off them(BIG BRAIN but it's actually a thing on steamtrades), have a better ratio than I ever will, eat my favorite food, give me goodnight kisses and taking care of me till I turn 98. I'm just making giveaways here, I'm not looking for my soulmate. Maybe I misunderstood your intentions.
Minimum wage varies across the world, regardless I can't imagine what the profit for a day of work could be for anyone by leeching games off steamgifts and selling trading cards. In my opinion if someone is so desperate they have to do that, I wouldn't be bothered and I would like to help by recommending runescape farming instead. You probably can make more money by farming tf2 items > scrap, or dota/csgo/fortnite/league/any game accounts and going from there, rather than taking a chance you'll win some indie game every few days/weeks/months that even has trading cards and sell those for around 0.15 cents and try and make an income that way.
Comment has been collapsed.
You complain about people farming cards and yet about half your wins with achievements were exactly that. Only 2 out of 33 games did you complete at least 1/4 of their achievements.
Comment has been collapsed.
generally speaking, there have been a few exceptions I give away games that I will never play and that I never wanted, but I happened to get, either for free, or because they came as a bundle with a game I did want.
I would be doing absolutely nothing with said game, so if someone else wants it, it beats letting the key rot. Like, if I order food at a restaurant, and I don't eat the fries, It's a waste, and I'd rather give the fries to a homeless person.
What said homeless person does with the fries is not my concern - if he/she eats them, great. If he/she sticks them up his/her nose, that's his/her decision
Comment has been collapsed.
If he/she sticks them up his/her nose, that's his/her decision
he/she nose it better what's best for them :3
Comment has been collapsed.
If it's games only 1% of people want for whatever reason, even if it's to sell the trading cards, only that 1% will enter, it's fine. It's a place to take your extra keys and give them away so they don't just disappear in the void. That's why I'm okay with someone earning some game that has trading cards and selling them and using that money to buy a game they like because I think that's part of the deal.
I believe the system that is in place right now is fine as it is. There should be no need to punish anyone extra for whatever reason. I said this above too, but there's some level 0's that probably have no income at all, so eventually even after they sell their trading cards or whatever they wont have enough to buy a game they want so they'll try their luck here and see what they can win. What am I supposed to do with my extra keys, trade them, sell them? It's too much of a hassle and there's too many people that don't do their part of the deal there so I'd rather just give it away to someone and expect nothing back. So if someone wants free games, regarding of how some feel about their quality( I mean I can't afford to give away the #1 game of the season in masses and I feel quite confident almost no one here can) then I will keep giving away my extra keys without trying to demand anything extra.
What doesn't get through me is if it bothers you guys that people enter level 0 giveaways without giving away anything, why not just set your giveaways at a higher level then you don't have to worry about that and you let someone else make those giveaways if they're okay giving it for free. Then it eliminates you having to worry whether that person can or can't enter your giveaway. As in, why are you bothered if I decide to make a level 0 giveaway and someone who gave away nothing wins it?
The most interesting thing about this whole thread for me is that I actually got blacklisted by someone who's bothered that I give away games for free and that I disagree that they should earn extra stuff. I mean that's one person filtered out.
Comment has been collapsed.
you talk about no punish people but the system actually punish people with the level system, so what' the diference between force people to spend 0.10$ centims after win some games that have cards that they can sell in steam market and buy a game of 0.10$ VS punish people and avoid them to join giveaways because they spend less money to win levels???
just don't think in it, there's no diference, so stop being hipocrite. well no in fact there's a diference the first just need to spend 0.10 centism the second need to spend 1xxx$+++++ money
i never said that bothered me the people that make giveaways at level 0, why you lie?
Comment has been collapsed.
In my region at least games on steam start at $0.49 USD you can't just get games for $0.10, and just because you sell 3 trading cards you can't just take 12 cents out of your steam wallet into a paypal and then use it on a website for a bunch of different reasons.
I already said there is a system that already does that to create some difference between the users but rather than it feeingl like a punishment it feels more like an encouragement for most to give away something in the future to level up. It wont work with those who can't give away, or with some who wont give away, and that's fine, because we're allowed to set our giveaways to whatever level requirement we want.
How exactly does anything make me a hypocrite? Are you just throwing insults cause you got nothing else going on?
If it didn't bother you that people made giveaways at level 0, then why are you trying to impose a rule on someone when you are allowed to set your giveaways at level 5 if you want and only people who gave away $300+(or whatever it is) can join? Why would you be trying to impose a rule on me or anyone else if we decide that we want to be able to gift away stuff for free to people who gave away nothing, when you have the opportunity to set your giveaways at level 1 and above to prevent level 0's from entering? You are not forced to set your giveaways at level 0, it's an option, so is the option to set it at 1 and above. I used both and they work perfectly. So why would you be trying to cut an option away or impose rules that push people away from the website when those level 0's don't affect anyways what games you can and can't win other than level 0 giveaways. So if you concentrate on only entering level 1 and above giveaways, you solved your problem, if you only make level 1 and above giveaways, you solved your problem.
From my understanding based on this line of yours "just don't think in it, there's no diference, so stop being hipocrite. well no in fact there's a diference the first just need to spend 0.10 centism the second need to spend 1xxx$+++++ money", the website you really want is a website where if someone gives away more they earn more. The problem I see, is that this is called SteamGifts, not SteamStockExchange. The point I'm trying to make, why call it SteamGifts, if the blessed level 10's who have extra keys for whatever reason who gave away $10,000 worth of games would be able to have like a 90% win rate over a level 0, who still needs to pay to try and win anything? Doesn't this make this a betting site where if someone has a big value they have a much higher chance of winning than the one that puts almost nothing? How are levels not enough already, since level 10's can make level 10's giveaways and no one else can enter?
Comment has been collapsed.
you talk about rules etc..etc.. that are bad etc.. etc...
but we already have that rules, it's called level of contribution and groups.
encouragement you say it is....... tipical words of dictators
then i say the same about what i said encouragement see the diference??? obviously no, there isn't any between your encouragement and mine
how i said before i don't bother people making level 0 giveaways, i never said that, it's you the only one that mention about it.
and you even say to me to impose a rule???? we already have rules imposed. The level system it's an imposed rule to enter "giveaways"
you keep talking about your point of view and you just ignore mine, your answers make no sense with what i said, you are talking about "stones" and i'm talking about "paper"
you say that my problem it's solved entering level 1 giveaways +++ but you know what?? my problem isn't that, my problem it's that people that just enter giveaways to collection games and farm cards, that people that don't even play the game they won, and they keep winning and winning without contribute even 0.10$ giving away a game, that people that ruin the illusion of someone that really want X game for play it.
and you can't solve this problem with a level system but with impose to at least giveaway a game after a few wins, after all we are already trading money VS level and chances to win games because on highter levels = less persons.
so if you are going to continue talking about "stones" when i'm talking about "paper" don't lose your time answering again, because anything you are saying makes no sense with what i'm talking about.
Comment has been collapsed.
You have to be clear with what you want then, because it doesn't seem right for you to want just your option to exist but no other options. We're all members here, so it doesn't seem fair that your option would exist but mine wouldn't. I'm just here trying to understand why you are trying to cut my options out, and put extra rules on top of the ones that already do most of what anyone can need.
What you want, already exists in some form. There are certain steam groups that verify that the users have played their games to a certain extent otherwise they get kicked from the group. You can make giveaways and enter giveaways just in this group if that's what you would like. There are groups that require the users to have had said game on their wishlist for some time before they enter. I don't use this but it's all done through a specific tool you can probably research in the discussion forum, which allows you to set giveaway rules that check if the users has a certain ration, does the user have this game on their wishlist. So after you join both the groups and you set these rules the people you will target will be those that are specifically and only interested in that game probably I would assume at least. There's groups that require the users to maintain a certain ratio too, to make sure they give a certain amount or each time they win they also give away something. Why not go down that route? You have a very specific idea of what you want from this website.
This is an example to such a group and if you do more research you will guaranteed find more.
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/DNb5R/pm-playing-matters-a-group-for-people-who-play-their-wins
I wont bother replying to the rest of what you said because it's an absolute mess. Take care. I believe I provided you with the right resources you need to solve your problem.
Comment has been collapsed.
not going to even continue arguing with you, you keep talking about "stones" while i talk about "paper"
Comment has been collapsed.
You covered everything I was going to say. Thank you for saving me the time.
Comment has been collapsed.
I agree that something should be done to disincentivize those who win a lot of games without gifting anything. I don't think this is the way to go though, as it would negatively impact new users. Getting more blacklist slots would help.
Comment has been collapsed.
there already is. the inability to join giveaways of higher level restrictions. instead of a punishment to disincentivize people from not giving, there is an incentive for them to give more
Comment has been collapsed.
There already is "something should be done to disincentivize those who win a lot of games without gifting anything?" That didn't make sense. :P I've been using SG for over a year, you don't have to tell me how levels work. Yes, everyone's incentivized to give more, but there's still a lot of people gaming the system only to collect games (the script users are the worst) and they often contribute nothing whatsoever to the site (not even a sign of gratitude). Because they can. When SG is so free to use however you'd like, like collecting hundreds, or thousands of games you're only collecting for +1s, without contributing anything, many people are going to see that as a problem.
Comment has been collapsed.
cause nobody is expected to actually contribute with the obligation of doing so. it's a game giving website. the inability to join giveaways of higher level restrictions does disincentivize those who win a lot of games without gifting anything, just like it does for those who didn't win anything yet. it makes sense, you don't. not only there is no intent for the system to "punish" those who don't give more (though it's debatable with the levels system), but i'd say that it's purposely intended so there is no "punishement" for winning games without giving any or a lesser amount. those complaints about "leeching" and whatnot are mostly made by self-righteous people with a weak sense of logic who don't understand how the site operates and/or would want to their own flawed rules to apply. if one wins games without giving any they are not "gaming" the system, they're using it in a way that is expected and intended by the website
Comment has been collapsed.
cause nobody is expected to actually contribute with the obligation of doing so.
I never said anyone should be obligated to contribute, you're attacking a straw man. I don't claim to have the answer, though like I said, a bigger blacklist would help. I also said something should be done about the issue, because I've noticed that there's a large number of people winning hundreds of games while giving nothing, or close to nothing, and they also often have 0 or just a few comments. I think these anonymous people who want the comfort of getting loads of free keys without even showing a sign of appreciation are the most likely to put little to no effort into trying not to enter giveaways for games they're never going to play. The more committed or attached you are to the site and its users, the more likely you are to care about such things.
the inability to join giveaways of higher level restrictions does disincentivize those who win a lot of games without gifting anything, just like it does for those who didn't win anything yet.
That's nothing but a play on words to try and make it look like your earlier sentence made sense, or it's to make it seem like I don't have an actual argument. I'm interested in a solution to disincentivize being greedy. Keep going on about level restrictions, though.
it makes sense, you don't.
Cuz reasons.
those complaints about "leeching" and whatnot are mostly made by self-righteous people with a weak sense of logic who don't understand how the site operates and/or would want to their own flawed rules to apply.
Many people use the term "leecher" very loosely around here. I'm not one of them. It's perfectly reasonable to be against greed and/or collecting loads of games without giving anything, though.
if one wins games without giving any they are not "gaming" the system, they're using it in a way that is expected and intended by the website
Script/bot users are gaming the system. I also see collecting hundreds of games and not giving two shits about what games you enter for or whether you'll ever play them, while contributing nothing, as borderline gaming the system.
Comment has been collapsed.
I never said anyone should be obligated to contribute, you're attacking a straw man.
lol
I don't claim to have the answer, though like I said, a bigger blacklist would help. I also said something should be done about the issue, because I've noticed that there's a large number of people winning hundreds of games while giving nothing, or close to nothing, and they also often have 0 or just a few comments. I think these anonymous people who want the comfort of getting loads of free keys without even showing a sign of appreciation are the most likely to put little to no effort into trying not to enter giveaways for games they're never going to play. The more committed or attached you are to the site and its users, the more likely you are to care about such things.
boohoo meanies who don't have a 1:1 ratio, they're all mean meanies, the evil incarnate, it's a huge issue, boohoo
That's nothing but a play on words to try and make it look like your earlier sentence made sense, or it's to make it seem like I don't have an actual argument. I'm interested in a solution to disincentivize being greedy. Keep going on about level restrictions, though.
no it's not. it's a game gifting website and the system doesn't consider it an issue if someone receives games but don't give any or fewer than they won and there are users fine with that aswell. and still the cv value and levels are there for those who want to use them
Cuz reasons.
yes
Many people use the term "leecher" very loosely around here. I'm not one of them. It's perfectly reasonable to be against greed and/or collecting loads of games without giving anything, though.
it's perfectly reasonable but the website doesn't care/disagrees. things such as "being against" what some perceive as greed or "b-but ratio" aren't being given much power, if even considerated. it's a game gifting website, if someone wants 1:1 trades there are other websites for that or they're free to make their own website
Comment has been collapsed.
Thanks for demonstrating my points for me, that you can't refute anything of what I'm saying, and that all you're doing is attacking a straw man, making up bullshit that I've never said to try and discredit me, because you disagree with my opinion and you can't refute my actual arguments. If you don't know what a straw man fallacy is, you should look it up, kid. I'm done with you.
Comment has been collapsed.
A bigger blacklist would be just as bad as limiting point ceilings to 50P. So they have points to spend on giveaways, but they can't enter any because everyone has blacklisted them? That's hardly fair.
Comment has been collapsed.
That's what someone with a 315/8 ratio would say. "Can't enter any" is a clear exaggeration. Not everyone uses their blacklist this way.
Comment has been collapsed.
Group GA is the answer!
It has been years since my last public GA!
Comment has been collapsed.
You're part of the elitist problem. Guess you'll enjoy nursing that hernia. Or whatever else that hate causes to go wrong in your body. Just don't say you weren't warned.
Comment has been collapsed.
As Colin Firth said in Kingsman, βManners. Maketh. Man.β I may be as you say, but at least I am not a pig. And since you seem to know so much about how even the best of people can be down and out and have a hard time getting or keeping jobs in many cases, you must understand why not everyone can keep donating to SteamGifts, and why you shouldnβt judge a book by its cover or a person by their account stats, and yet you persist in acting like this, thus making you the equivalent of the French cochon. But the funny things are, 1) You donβt even seem to know how to spell leech, insisting twice that I am a βleach.β 2) The difference between you and me is, I try to be nice to people and treat them right, and Iβve never seeked to harm anyone on this website, a quality you seem to sorely lack, and thereby making you the worst kind of leech there is, the humanity leech (or as we might even say, vampire), and 3) I will end up being successful, getting a good job, and could start contributing to SteamGifts again at some point, thus being able to stop being a βleachβ as you say, but you, sir, will always be swine. Unless, that is, for the definition of wisdom: Always being willing to learn. So the big question is, will you?
Comment has been collapsed.
The odds are a level 0 game are so bad I don't see why we should bother. Besides, getting to level 1 is trivial. You only have to give away one game, even if it is only worth a few nickels.
Comment has been collapsed.
Aren't the level system, groups and sgtools enough to exclude unwanted winners? Why do we need anything else to discriminate new/poor users?
Comment has been collapsed.
Considering that bot-based leechers never sleep, lowering the point cap to such a low level would actually give an edge to bot users....
Comment has been collapsed.
I assume the point gains would also scale accordingly, because otherwise the suggestion would honestly just be stupid.
But having level 0 users receive points at 8x lower speed is also quite harsh and pointless when any contribution reaches level 1. If we needed a progression system it'd at least have to follow some sort of linearity.
Comment has been collapsed.
So how about a 50P limit for everyone
Level 0?
Comment has been collapsed.
Bots/programs would hardly make sense anymore.
Entirely wrong. The point-cap got increased (together with the point influx decreased) during the last point system revision exactly as a means to combat bot advantage.
Comment has been collapsed.
The mismatch between 576p daily influx and a 50p cap creates a huge bot advantage. And that is the only part where the last point change succeeded to improve the situation by minimizing that disparity.
Comment has been collapsed.
The max cap on giveaways would have to change. Nothing worth over, say, 20 points, even games that would be 50 points. It'd take a total system overhaul to be decent.
Comment has been collapsed.
It is random, but...
gifters have the choice to set their giveaways above level 0 and that has nothing to do with ratios.
You're level 0, that's why it's difficult to win anything. Every bot is entering those GAs with you. The level system works as intended and rewards people for giving stuff away. Within the first few days when I joined, I won a couple of games, so luck and radio are not connected. :P
Comment has been collapsed.
No, you don't have to ever do anything. That's the beauty of free will. ;)
I don't fork out money for this site. To be honest, I don't have a lot to begin with since I've been out of work for over two years due to illness. I just buy bundles for myself from time to time and there are often games in there that I'll never EVER play. (okay, maybe I gave a few small non-bundle with left-over wallet credit).
Why would I hold onto games I'll never play? To farm them for cards? No. I would rather make someone else's day. But I'm also not going to set public GAs to level 0 to feed the bots and multis.
Look in the forums and join private giveaways, do puzzles etc. Those ones generally have less entries.
Comment has been collapsed.
From my experience, what people usually consider 'leeching' is not being level 0, but having a subjectively poor ratio. So your suggestion would first off target a strange demographic and do little to satisfy people who actually judge leeching.
A 50P limit seems like an extremely arbitrary choice, especially considered that the gap between levels 0 and 1 is a single giveaway of any value, but the gap is eight times that of a regular user.
As DingDong pointed out, a 50P limit also makes no sense considering the current point gains, as it would require being active on the site 24/7 to maximize point usage which blatantly favours bots over real people. Although this could be easily remedied by changing your suggestion to lower rates of point gain instead of lowering the cap, which I assume was your original point.
Comment has been collapsed.
it's easy to spot a bot and ban him, other thing it's want to work for an antibot system.
Comment has been collapsed.
it's easy to spot a bot
Really?
Not that I check people's profile but I'd be curious to know how you can tell if a user is a bot or not.
Comment has been collapsed.
easy people need to sleep, if someone it's entering giveaways and feel that never sleep every day = bot
that's just an example to spot bots, there's more common sense examples that if you think a bit you will find it also.
other example someone that use the 100% of points always and i mean even the points after new giveaways etc.... that's probably a bot also
other example someone that enter in a giveaway after a few seconds it's made always and the same game (after bundles for example) it's a bot
how i said bots are easy to spot they always use the same "movements" etc....
that was just some examples, but there's a lot more, how i said think a bit by yourself and you will find probably 5-10 more easy examples to find a bot with an high % of not a false positive.
Comment has been collapsed.
Bots activity are very very easy to detect.
All is needed is to process http server log and analyse user activity..
Comment has been collapsed.
And nothing should be done to make users fix their "poor ratio" because that would be against the site's TOS and how it was designed. Ratio pushers need to learn to love and accept others, because too much hate will cause bad health issues such as hernias. I see the blacklist system as a problem in itself, I like to treat others how I'd like them to treat me, and stopped using blacklists a while ago. Life's too short.
Comment has been collapsed.
Hmm, but... why would someone who isn't actively gifting add anyone to their blacklist. That wouldn't make any sense. :P
That said, my blacklist is reserved for a handful of particularly crappy people.
Comment has been collapsed.
If someone is rather giving, they have the money to just buy the stuff for themselves.
If you'd only allow people who give to receive, it is called trading and not gifting, so go to SteamTrades.
Comment has been collapsed.
Is it really that surprising that geting games for free is more appealing than donating games?
Even at higher levels your blacklist will fill up pretty quickly if you take a closer look at the people (or bots) who enter your giveaways.
Right now my public giveaways require level 6 but I also try to reward those active community members by whitelisting them.
Comment has been collapsed.
I forgot when it was.
However, I feel that there was a SteamStore game where the price of a game of one dollars was changed to about 10,000 dollars.
If such a thing is converted into points, it will reach Lv10 in one.
The reality is thin salvation.
Will humanity be destroyed soon?πΈπ
Comment has been collapsed.
Cuz we all know, steamgifts lvl also increases karma points and makes a better human being.
π€‘
He just thinks he's better than everybody else, with his "leeched" 316 games. π
Comment has been collapsed.
Exactly, level is like reputation here
It's funny that some people think they are so much better for their level, but that is good, at least we have more giveaways running Β―_(γ)_/Β―
Comment has been collapsed.
by the way you think this site isn't a giveaway site but a trading site.
you give games for points
points that permit you to enter in better "giveaways" ---> AKA better chances to win -> AKA so you "giveaway" for better chances to win
see you are trading games for % of win
so..... no more comments.
Comment has been collapsed.
points that permit you to enter in better "giveaways" ---> AKA better chances to win -> AKA so you "giveaway" for better chances to win
It's not a direct 1:1 translation. Being at higher level does not guarantee that you will win more games. Sure it opens you up to higher level giveaways but your chance of winning still depends on how many giveaways are there for that level, and how many people enter that giveaway, not by your own level. And your chances surely aren't affected IN ANY WAY by the level-0 users in level-0 giveaways, so why are you pushing to punish these people? If all these level-0 users are then forced to move up to level-1 then what changes? Nothing. Would you then seek to punish these level-1 users too?
There is a site for trading and it's called steamtrades.com
This site we are on is steamgifts.com
Both sites have very different principles and spirit in their creation.
Maybe you will find what you're looking for in steamtrades.com.
Also, another important point to consider is that these level-0 users help steamgifts.com stay afloat from ads exposure. From a statistic released 4 years ago the level-0 users make up a staggering 87% of the total users. Take that away and this site would be in danger of going bankrupt or they might have to introduce subscription. Try to see the bigger picture here instead of your won personal view.
Comment has been collapsed.
a trade it's a trade
stone for paper or money for points both are trades, the name that have the web it's irrelevant, guy you went to school?
these level 0 don't help in anithing but lecheers and maybe some forums post etc....because be real, almost all people use any program for AD block and that's why steamgift did the patron thing to get real money from users to maintain this web (and win money in the same "shoot")
you are only trashtalking and it's obvious that you don't tougth even for a minute before write what you wrote there.
P.D. why you ask why i pushing to punish levels 0 when i already asked that question like 2 or 3 times in my other post???? did you read before post nothing??? don't waste my time when it's obvious that you don't read anything of what we was talking here.
Comment has been collapsed.
It's also quite entertaining to see somebody who has been on this site for 4 years but only posted 173 comments, entered 443 giveaways and most importantly not given away a single game telling other people what this site is about :D
Comment has been collapsed.
So you agree you haven't been much of a member of this community yet? Well, maybe that will change, now that you've re-discovered the site. It can be a nice place at times with many likeminded people and there are other ways to contribute to the community than just creating giveaways like hosting events or creating puzzles.
Next, i am not telling people what this site is about.
I am telling people what gifting is about, and gifting is what this site is about.
And this is where you've got it wrong: Despite having the word GIFT in the name this site is absolutely not about charity.
Actually everybody gets to decide what this site is about for themselves:
- For many people (the titlegiving leechES) it's a free candy dispenser
- For other people it's an handy way to get rid of games they already have from Bundles
- For me personally it used to be sort of an online casino. Nothing charitable - just gambling.
Comment has been collapsed.
Sure, for some users it IS about charity but you should also be aware that those are roughly 5 or 6 dozen users (on a site of a million) and more and more of them are leaving for good due to various reasons.
I remember there was this guy, I think his nick was wolvedude, who gave away AAA games worth several hundred dollars every month without trying to promote something or any other ulterior motives. I can't say why he left but the sad thruth is that most people who use the site because of its charitable aspects stop sooner or later because they are not achieving what they are trying to do. (Giving games to people who will ACTUALLY play them and who couldn't afford them otherwise.)
Comment has been collapsed.
Well I certainly wouldn't be against getting rid of each and every single bot here on this site but apparently that's technically not possible. cg has been making promises about that for ages and pretty much nothing has happened.
And sadly it's not just a bot problem. While you may be the positive exception and only enter for games you intend to play, many people enter everything regardless if they have any interest in it.
The funniest example was somebody recently with several hundred wins, less than 5 of them played but they didn't think they were doing anything wrong because "they were building a library for their nephews to inherit" xD
As if children in 3 years would play some silly shovelware achievement simulator on Steam when they could be playing Fortnite 3 :D
But... since i never win anything anyway i just treat this site as a chat room with a clicker game, at least for now. ^^)
That's probably the best way to go about it anyway. The community part is the most fun part of the site. Once you get into giveaways things get... complicated.
Comment has been collapsed.
yeah and how about your level of spanish mastery??? wait don't tell me you don't even understand a single word of a foreing language????
what world is that... that people can't talk all foreing languages fluently.... omg no one went to school.....
yep you are an idiot :) deal with it, but don't worry just go to shool, teachers will teach you how to use your brain a bit, however there's some cases lost... probably you are one of them, but eh!! try it!!
P.D. if you are trying to troll... well... you only look like a fool there :).
Comment has been collapsed.
You said:
points that permit you to enter in better "giveaways" ---> AKA better chances to win -> AKA so you "giveaway" for better chances to win
see you are trading games for % of win
Let me explain once more.
Giveaways at higher levels are less frequent than at lower levels, albeit with less entries.
Let's say you enter 10 giveaways at level 0 each with 1000 entries, then your probability of winning a game would be 1%.
If you enter 1 giveaway at level 5 with 100 entries, then your probability of winning a game would also be 1%.
Now these numbers are crude illustration but I'm trying to explain why higher level does not directly translate to higher probability of winning, thus you are not "trading games for % of win."
You said:
because be real, almost all people use any program for AD block
According to a global survey it's only 47%, not "almost all people."
https://www.digitalinformationworld.com/2019/04/global-ad-blocking-behaviors-infographic.html
I'm an engineer that's why I like to talk with numbers and facts.
Comment has been collapsed.
those number affect as %, but the real chances are highter for the high levels, insn't the same 1% of 1000 than 100.
also you used diferent quantities 10 vs 1, if we do the same as how it should be done 10vs10 or 1vs1 you will see how diferent it is
so even if there's less highter level giveaways they are still there and you have better chances.
the real maths are the next:
1 giveaway of 1000 entries at level 0 = 0.1% of win
1 giveaway of 100 entries at level 5 = 1%
so no, even if they are really minimum and basicaly imperceptible the highter the giveaway you enter in high levels will became in short-medium term in a lot of more games won.
second how you can use info about global ad block when you should use the % of ad block users in this web, isn't the same.
sorry but if i need an engineer to work in anything i need, be sure i will never choose you because if i follow your maths i will get an aberration.....
the numbers you did are made by your own benefit ignoring the equality for both terms 10vs1 maths?? are you kidding me? you will never get a fiable info like that.......
the global survey it's 100% irrelevant to that web, because we don't know how many of that 47% are users of this web (maybe we are 90% users with ad block, only admins know it)
for finish i want to say that you ignore the real purpose of the message you Quote me, we was talking about lecheers and how this site isn't a giveaway but a trade site etc.... read all before you post a simple sentence misplaced of the actual and real conversation.
the only you are doing it's manipulate the data and objective of this conversation.
Comment has been collapsed.
Oh my God you really didn't get the concept -__-
There are much more giveaways at lower levels than higher levels. That's why I illustrate it with 10 giveaways at lvl-0. You cannot use equal numbers because the total number of lvl-0 giveaways =/= total number of lvl-5 giveaways, it's not an equal distribution.
Comment has been collapsed.
there's no concept to get, maths don't lie, you will never going to have the same chances to win in a level 0 giveaway VS a level 5.
you can say and comment all you want, but maths don't lie, if we was able to get more data we will see that you will need a lotttttttttttttttttttt of level 0 giveaway to win a game,even if level 0 giveaway have 0.1% and level 5 have 1%, that don't equal to a 10xlevel 0 giveaway it's the same as level 5.
you will prorbably need a few thousand more entries at level 0 giveaway than a level 5 before you win a game.
with a 50 level 5 giveaway you can win a game but you will need 50000 of level 0 to win a game because isn't the same enter a giveaway of 1% than 0.1% , you will even probably win a few games on level 5 giveaway before you win one in a level 0 giveaway (just inventing this numbers, just to give you the concenpt)
However i can't believe you are engineer with the trashtalking with the maths you are doing, you are just manipulating the data to fit on what you say ignoring the reality.
anyway we wasn't talking about chances of win, so read this whole conversation don't waste more my time with your ilogic with maths, because for be an engineer you are doing a really bad job here. Because well... let's be serious, you can't add probabilities from diferent events (AKA diferent giveaways), so you can't add up 10xlevel 0 giveaway with 1000 entries to fit that 1% that you compared with the level 5.
so please Mr Engineer, use your knowledge that it should be superior than mine to do a decent maths.
Comment has been collapsed.
As of last night before I went to sleep I pulled up giveaway statistics from www.steamgifts.com/stats/community/giveaways and found that:
There has been 202,404 lvl-5 giveaways so far, and 2,401,358 lvl-0 giveaways (12x more).
And to further prove my point I pulled up win statistics from some users (which are available publicly, anyone can do this) using ESGST and this is the result:
| User | L0 | L1 | L2 | L3 | L4 | L5 | L6 | L7 | L8 | L9 | L10 | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| FateOfOne (Support) | 511 (81.11%) | 32 (5.08%) | 29 (4.6%) | 23 (3.65%) | 14 (2.22%) | 16 (2.54%) | 5 (0.79%) | - | - | - | - | 630 |
| xarabas (Support) | 340 (39.77%) | 25 (2.92%) | 14 (1.64%) | 25 (2.92%) | 43 (5.03%) | 103 (12.05%) | 86 (10.06%) | 122 (14.27%) | 97 (11.35%) | - | - | 855 |
| Eefrit (Support) | 990 (65.48%) | 45 (2.98%) | 41 (2.71%) | 39 (2.58%) | 49 (3.24%) | 54 (3.57%) | 63 (4.17%) | 86 (5.69%) | 80 (5.29%) | 41 (2.71%) | 24 (1.59%) | 1512 |
| MSKOTOR (Moderator) | 74 (57.81%) | 6 (4.69%) | 10 (7.81%) | 9 (7.03%) | 12 (9.38%) | 10 (7.81%) | 7 (5.47%) | - | - | - | - | 128 |
| Khalaq (Moderator) | 120 (73.62%) | 13 (7.98%) | 2 (1.23%) | 7 (4.29%) | 2 (1.23%) | 7 (4.29%) | 2 (1.23%) | 4 (2.45%) | 4 (2.45%) | 2 (1.23%) | - | 163 |
| Keohookalani(Moderator) | 1147 (93.63%) | 17 (1.39%) | 9 (0.73%) | 5 (0.41%) | 6 (0.49%) | 11 (0.9%) | 8 (0.65%) | 10 (0.82%) | 8 (0.65%) | 1 (0.08%) | 3 (0.24%) | 1225 |
| jatan11t (Super Mod) | 481 (78.21%) | 20 (3.25%) | 12 (1.95%) | 5 (0.81%) | 15 (2.44%) | 12 (1.95%) | 11 (1.79%) | 16 (2.6%) | 9 (1.46%) | 10 (1.63%) | 24 (3.9%) | 615 |
| SleepyCat (Super Mod) | 564 (79.66%) | 34 (4.8%) | 10 (1.41%) | 9 (1.27%) | 19 (2.68%) | 16 (2.26%) | 11 (1.55%) | 12 (1.69%) | 14 (1.98%) | 4 (0.56%) | 15 (2.12%) | 708 |
| Akzeriuth (You) | 17 (45.95%) | 3 (8.11%) | 11 (29.73%) | 3 (8.11%) | 3 (8.11%) | - | - | - | - | - | - | 37 |
PS: I think ESGST excludes giveaways with no value or marked as Not Received.
The result varies wildly among users but I see a general pattern: Higher level does not necessarily mean higher chances. Most people will win more from lvl-0 giveaways due to sheer number.
It only took you, Akzeriuth, 25,836 entries to win 37 games (or 39 including no value & Not Received ones), not 50,000 entries to win 1 game.
This will be my last response to you because I see there is no point in debating with you, you will end up believing what you want to believe anyway.
Best of luck.
Comment has been collapsed.
again manipulating the info, what about the group giveaways?? what about invitation giveaways???? that have less people, you used moderators and support profiles, when all of them won games in that giveaways.
you really keep manipulating the info to just fit in your opinion, you doesn't care in anything less when we have a lot of variations here, you just ignore them.
for example the FateOfOne it's winning thousand of games of level 0 with 12-30 entries.
Xarabas more the same but he even won giveaways with just 1 entry
so please use real user information that fit in with we are talking about, not just that one's that fit to your own opinion.
for finish this isn't even a debat, you only keep manipulating the information while i keep correcting you, the more you answer me the more i think you are not engineer but just a random user that keep trying to lie to all of us with your manipulated information.
so yes, just stop answering, stop wasting my time you are not worth my time anymore
for the god shake you even got the % of total wins without consider how many giveaways of each level they entered, and you love maths???? how we say here in spain.... what an engineer of "chichinabo".
EDIT: forget to answer to your afirmation of highter levels doesn't mean better chances.
we already demostrated that the less person in a giveaway = bettter chance to win so why?? just why??? you afirm now that it's a lie???
really... it's imposible you are engineer, i just can't believe at this point.
Comment has been collapsed.
Only if you pay 5$ monthly to Kenya prince off-shore account.
They will flood you with propositions to win millions by giving them all your personal details.
Comment has been collapsed.
"pay to play" aka "buy in Steam Store" sounds like a better deal
Comment has been collapsed.
Surely I consider people who give away stuff as well to be way more eligible to receive stuff as well.
Then, there's leechers.
So many people fail to understand that without "leechers" (so people with negative ratio) we could not have "generous" (so people with positive ratio). As it all needs to add up to 0 in the end, gifts do not disappear in the void after "generous" send them. They need to be won by someone else.
You're already eligible to receive stuff here by default, and giving more unlock you more levels. Though idea of winning "more" the higher level you are is flawed, as majority of GAs are still made with low level restriction. You will never bank out more than you "invested" by trying to reach 10th level*
Unless you're only part of 1:1 ratio group, which is in fact trading gifts. Not giving them to strangers to make you / them feel happier
Comment has been collapsed.
+1. I find that it is no point thinking abt ratio and everyone should shld be treated equally.
Comment has been collapsed.
I appreciate your response
So many people fail to understand that without "leechers" (so people with negative ratio) we could not have "generous" (so people with positive ratio).
People may understand this more than you think - Its just that the underling motivation for such suggestions often seems to be to decrease # of entries in public GAs. I know that's been my own personal motivation for sometimes supporting other suggestion threads that propose decreasing points accumulate & use for GA entries. Here it happens to be around SG decreasing the points/entries/odds for entering GAs for an arbitrary subset of users.
gifts do not disappear in the void after "generous" send them. They need to be won by someone else.
Sure, but I think the underlying concern is that there are 1000+ someone elses showing up as entries for many level-limited public GAs.
Many of us active users will tell OP to qualify for level-limited GAs and join private groups instead of changing something we don't believe is broken.
However to be fair to OP, joining private groups and level-limited GAs do not address a public perception that OP and other users occasionally share. Related to this perception, here is my theory for what can drive away new SG users from staying with the site very long:
-
User joins the site, and tries to enter giveaways that often end with thousands or sometimes hundreds of entries
-
User creates some giveaways and increases their level (maybe level 2-4 within one month)
-
Out of all the user's entries for one month if they stay that long, they win zero to a few games if they spend all their points every 16 hours (576 max accumulated points per day+400 initial points=17680 max points per month. 17680 points/15 points average per game=1179 entries per month)
-
User leaves SG in frustration because of the perceived low chance/win rate (remember: # of level 0 GAs are 10x level 4 GAs), OR they check out Group Recruit discussions...
-
User leaves SG in frustration when seeing that the vast majority of private groups either have non-trivial join + stay requirements when private, or vast majority of public groups & some private groups have just as many entries as public GAs.
If users don't leave by this point, they may either be content patiently lurking in public GAs or are putting in the effort to join private groups and likely to be active in the community.
Maybe a bunch of us active users are okay with the potential public perception I've laid out here given the options for giveaway types. I'm not talking about pleasing everyone here.
However, if we are okay with that public perception, but there are complaints about declines in # of active users or declines in giveaways, then that can be a disconnect between what we do and what we want.
Comment has been collapsed.
motivation for such suggestions often seems to be to decrease # of entries in public GAs. I know that's been my own personal motivation for sometimes supporting other suggestion threads that propose decreasing points accumulate & use for GA entries.
You weren't here during the last point revision ~2 years ago when points were reduced but one of the (by some thought to be) intended effects of improving public GAs failed.
Also any juggling with points either cap or influx will not actually change winning chances at all because it is the same for everyone.
As such it is not a suitable angle to combat user frustration and subsequent leaving.
non-trivial join + stay requirements
would you consider yours as such? ;-)
Comment has been collapsed.
You weren't here during the last point revision ~2 years ago when points were reduced but one of the (by some thought to be) intended effects of improving public GAs failed.
Are you referring to this update?:
Points increased from 5P to 6P every 15 minutes.
Point cap lowered from 500P to 400P.
Its actually "an extra 96P per day (576P compared to 480P)" which is 20% more points accumulation over time. So it should be no surprise that there was the same or an increase in GA entries of up to 20% after that update. The point cap of 400 is more about rewarding return visits to the site as cg explained than it is about limiting entries.
Also any juggling with points either cap or influx will not actually change winning chances at all because it is the same for everyone.
I don't believe that's how the math works. Decreasing point accumulation over time decreases the maximum amount of entries people can make on giveaways. Let me break it down with an example:
- Current accumulation (6p every 15 minutes+400p) allows for 1179 entries per month (assume 15 points average per game).
- Suppose accumulation is changed to 4p every 15 minutes +400p, then that would allow 795 entries per month (@15 ppg avg).
When we assume that a user enters the most desirable giveaways after accumulation is changed:
- It will not change entry counts for their 795 most wanted giveaways
- There will be less entries for the 384 giveaways (1179-795) they would have picked if accumulation had not changed.
So if people only look at the most wanted giveaways after accumulation is changed, of course those entry counts will hardly appear to be affected, but that doesn't mean other (lesser wanted) giveaways' entry counts will not be affected.
Comment has been collapsed.
non-trivial join + stay requirements
would you consider yours as such? ;-)
BTW I would consider my group to be more flexible than most other private groups with rules, but I'd still say its non-trivial. Trivial to me is like: Join, create one GA to join, then no rules or a simple ratio after that.
Comment has been collapsed.
Yeah. Some people don't understand the zero-sum nature of this site. If this site have only givers and no "leechers", this site won't work.
Comment has been collapsed.
Also, these level-0 users help steamgifts.com stay afloat from ads exposure. From a statistic released 4 years ago the level-0 users make up a staggering 87% of the total users. Take that away and this site would probably be dead.
Comment has been collapsed.
yeah yeah... that's why moderator make the patron 5$ because that "lecheer" stay float the web with ads.... there's no AD block at all... no... no.. no....
i doubt they win more than the 20% from ads from users, and i'm being generous.
Comment has been collapsed.
And yet it relies on user created giveaways to remain alive, much like private trackers, with no contributors (and we've had less and less of those lately), there won't be any games to win anymore, the swarm of locusts will just move to another target, but it'd be the end of this website
Comment has been collapsed.
The hourly rate is far more important than the cap
What if you made the hourly gain (2 + LVL) / 15 min instead of a static 6 / 15 min?
It wouldn't be bad to increase the cap accordingly though, maybe (200 + 50 x LVL)
Comment has been collapsed.
i love the current system where everyone can decideo on their own to give games to leechers or not. no need to decide for everybody by enforcing such a rule. you would just take the freedom from the giveaway creator.
Comment has been collapsed.
Idk, i heard that some months back here when there was some thread about leechers who just taking games...
someone had full mouth of a lot of apologies for users who just taking games and giving one big sh*t. Why they should give if they cant affored that and other non sense. They can afford it, they got PC, internet, "valuable" steam account (as u said) so yes they can afford to give something, loads of games can be obtained SO cheap and they just want hoard. (imagine if everyone only will take and nobody will give anything, site die soon) so my post was some kind of joke. I hate these "leechers" myself. Its about effort, not "i cant give, am p00r"
I am of the opinion give and be given to you.
Comment has been collapsed.
i want be level 10 but i can't..... i'm poor to giveaway 10.000$ in games...... isn't discrimination to me also????
Comment has been collapsed.
ahhh so now i don't even need to spend 10.000 but i also need to wait years???
no discrimination at all.... no,no....
think a bit before talk/write because you already make it worse with your last comentary.
Comment has been collapsed.
explain what you said here i don't even understand it.
Comment has been collapsed.
Are you joking/sarcastic about level 10 being discrimination? I hope you are. It's a reward for them being a contributor to the site. I will likely never be level 10 and I'm totally okay with that. Without the people who give away 100s or 1000s of GAs, this site wouldn't even be here. Being bitter about someone having a higher level than you is a bit silly. Just be grateful for whatever you win. :P
Comment has been collapsed.
discrimination : the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
in this case levels.
so by definition make levels in a site where all should be free by giveaways it's equal to discrimination, this definition it's not something i just invented but people smarter than you and me together did it.
why you need a rewards in levels for contribute when all people say that have enough satisfaction watching the "happy" of the guy that won his/her giveaway.
anyway if we take as a literal form this web, the existence of levels and restrictions are against the objective of this web, even you can see it and can't refuse it.
Comment has been collapsed.
Do you honestly think that if there weren't levels here that people would be so "generous?" It is a goal and some people just like to reach those goals, the same way they strive to get Steam Achievements. Nothing wrong with that, if that makes them happy. Without those levels, you'd see a lot less GAs for many reasons. You're naive if you think that wouldn't be the case.
There are some people who do in fact buy new AAA games and give them away to others here out of just being nice, but at the same time, many of them give those to their whitelist of people they like, a group, or via a puzzle on the forums.... not just to any tom, dick, harry, bot or hoarder (not forgetting the multi-accounts because they do happen.) They SHOULD have that choice. Otherwise, why not just make the day of someone that you know outside this community and gift to them? That's why they do have that choice. There are limits to any kind of generosity, even among the nicest of people.
I, for instance, don't feel like watching the "happy," as you put it, of some guy who has given away 100 previously free games, is level 0, has won 2,000 games and has a library of 7,000 games that he farms for the trading cards and doesn't even thank the person when they deliver the game key. That would be disheartening for a lot of people and they'd just leave SG. You know it when you see every game in their library has 2 hrs played and no achievements. I'm just being honest.
Comment has been collapsed.
1- who said i expect more giveaway if there's no levels?? in fact at the moment they delete the levels this web will die, because they want that levels to win better games while they giveaway the bundles games they don't want, don't think wrong, the mayority of people are not here to giveaway games but to win them, even some high level people (obviously there's always the exception), anyway i never tougth and never said that there will be more giveaways. but that's another debat, we are talking about lecheers
2-exactly and that's why this system it's so bad, because i can get my 5 close friends and farm points, then take profit of them winning games in highter levels. but that's another debat, we are talking about lecheers here not about if levels are good or bad.
3-i said that about "happy" because someone told me in this thread that he have enough watching the "happy" of that people.
anyway it's supose that people are happy givingaway games here no? for them shouldn't be a problem to give the game to a farmer with 100000 games, but once again they are "happy" because they win points to get level up.
it's all decision about what i win doing X thing.
now being honest you have a random person in front of you and a friend.
if you give 50$ to your friend you win the "happy" to give something to your friend
if you give 50$ to the random person you win nothing
who you choice??
with giveaways and groups are the same (the little groups) but once again this is another debat that don't suit this thread, we are talking about lecheers.
don't you just think that discrimination it's force another to do something, because between lower points to lecheers to have levels in a giveaway system web this second it's worse than lower points.
discrimination it's what i wrote you before, just tipe it on google and you will find the same definition.
Comment has been collapsed.
On point 2... Yeah, but circle-jerk groups get banned. If you make a very small group just to farm points by gifting to your friends, you won't last long. It's against SG rules. I am in some groups and while there are close to 100 people in the smallest one, sometimes you barely get 5 entries because people don't want a game. Or, I give games to Unlucky 7 as well and those get low entries because they are for people with less than 7 wins. Not every person with low entries in groups is doing it to farm CV points.
I know what discrimination is, but if you can freely earn something, it's not discrimination. That's like saying that forum titles that go up with post count is discrimination. BillyBob has "newbie" title with 10 posts, but BillyJoe has "veteran" title with 10,000 posts. BillyBob starts crying "discrimination" because he wants a veteran title after not putting in the time and effort to reach the same number of posts as BillyJoe who has been a member for 5 years. Internet communities like to reward their members for contribution and sticking around. Without them, there is no community.
It would only be discrimination if the admin decided he or she liked me and set my level to 10, and disliked you, so set your's to 1 regardless of contribution. The fact that levels are open to everyone to earn without any favouritism kinda debunks the discriminatory accusation toward them. Perhaps you could use the argument that users themselves who limit their giveaways are discriminating against members below that level, but you can't say it's discriminatory to have a higher level.
Comment has been collapsed.
Why... Please take it in mind. Without their sacrifice, ur ratio would be bad and will be named as "leecher" as well :O
Comment has been collapsed.
Then, there's leechers.
I propose we simply ban those who use the word "leecher" to elevate themselves above other users on this site.
Comment has been collapsed.
I mean, there's already the ability to blacklist them which is good enough on a personal level.
Comment has been collapsed.
Granted. Now you're banned because during your speech about leechers you used the forbidden word while putting yourself above those who use the word to put themselves above other users.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMonkeysPaw/ I love this subreddit
Comment has been collapsed.
well people say that giveaway things it's being nice person no??
so if anyone gave 0 games and won a lot... that makes him/her bad person...
AKA the guy that isn't lecheer it's a better person, AKA he is that elevate position that you don't like....... but you and others created it...
isn't a bit hipocrite from your part say what you said???
Comment has been collapsed.
isn't a bit hipocrite from your part say what you said???
No, not at all. Good manners and treating others with common decency is a choice.
Giving away games on this site doesn't make anyone any better than anyone else.
Comment has been collapsed.
so make giveaways isn't good no?? but then in another post people will say that give giveaways it's being good person
only in their own inconvenience almost all people say the things and you are one of them
Comment has been collapsed.
You and I clearly have differing views of what makes someone a good person.
You won't convince me that how many giveaways someone has made is the determining factor.
Comment has been collapsed.
i don't need to convice you to anything, i'm just telling a fact that all people say that giveaway games = good person
it's just common sense also, but don't worry you mess up and you don't know how to get out.
Comment has been collapsed.
I've given away a lot of games, and I'm an asshole, so your "fact" doesn't hold water.
And clearly -- since I'm one of them -- not everyone says giving away games is what makes a "good person."
Comment has been collapsed.
To raise chances of those who really wanna play, limit everyone's points to ~100.
...and the word "leech" is bad. It's not against the rules to just enter and try to win. If you really have a problem with that, you can make giveaway for group/levels, and that's fine. But limiting every "leech" is not.
Comment has been collapsed.
Makes no sense since you're just favouring the people who have more time to be on the site 24/7, as well as skip sleep (100P regenerates in ~4 hours).
What you probably meant, however, is to reduce point regeneration speed by 4x. Same effective result, but equal for everyone (and allows people to take more than 24 hours break from the site without spilling points).
Comment has been collapsed.
I agree. SteamGIFTS, not SteamTRADES. There are Levels if someone wants to set limits and that's OK.
Comment has been collapsed.
I don't agree with that. Yes, there is the type of user that could be described as a leech. He who sets up a bot, enters everything no matter what it is and has won 1000s of giveaways just to farm them for cards, and gives nothing. Let's be honest, no one likes that type of user as it goes against the spirit of the site.
But, penalizing some young person who doesn't have much money, yet actually only enters for games they DO want to play is so wrong. Those are the type of users, I'd be glad to see my games going to if I'm honest. Unlucky 7 is a nice group to give some games to users who have just joined or have won very little... and it eliminates the bots.
Maybe I could agree with a system that meant that you had to give something away after your win/GA difference goes above 100 games or your max points go down, (regardless of level) just to encourage a little gifting... but to outright label someone a leech for having a certain level, or ratio, who is using the site as intended? No way.
Comment has been collapsed.
Let's make it 5, so we can only win DIG and the likes shovelwares.
wouldn't that make a nice April's Fool Day prank though? Significantly reducing the point cap?
Comment has been collapsed.
Hi,
I just wondered how you guys think about this.
Surely I consider people who give away stuff as well to be way more eligible to receive stuff as well.
Then, there's leechers.
So how about a 50P limit for everyone Level 0?
Opinions?
Comment has been collapsed.