Hi SG,
Sometimes, when I'm bored, I go around looking at other people's profiles. And there had been that puzzle thread going on with a nice game from my wishlist as a price, and so naturally (for me) I went to check the winner out.
Now,I have this script installed, called "Do you even play, bro". It checks the playtime of wins. I let it run out if curiosity. The winner of the main price giveaway, which had ended 27 hours ago, already had a playtime of 37 hours, with 100% achievements. I wondered how that could have happened, so I went to their Steam profile, where it is shown that all of this game's achievements were unlocked last July, 2020
So now I have no idea how it was possible for them to even join that giveaway. I don't really actually know what to do with this information- is there something that needs to be reported to staff?

Edit: Apparently the mystery has been solved. So this person played the game to 100% through family sharing - an on the community wishlist highly ranking, unbundled game - and then entered this giveaway, because they wanted to OWN it after already having fully explored its content. I think it's a pretty dick move, but it seems to be within the rules of SG. I'm leaving this thread open, maybe other people want to comment on that further.

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Is there something to report?

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Yes (I'll tell you in the comments)
No, all is fine.

sorry ı dont understand :D

2 weeks ago
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It's possible if someone used a family-sharing function and played the game through and through last July, but now want to own it?

Or maybe they had a key that was after playing, revoked?

2 weeks ago
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Aaah, that sounds like a plausible explanation. Still, it's kinda pointless to enter for an unbundled game you have already played. But however, it's not really against the site rules. Thanks for your input, YQMaoski.

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Sometimes the game has several packages and if you have Shadow of War you can enter for Shadow of War definitive edition for example. It's up to the creator to notice this and ask for a re-roll I guess.

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I think there might be such cases

  1. It is played at free weekend
  2. The game's demo is played beforehand
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I don't think you can 100% a game in a demo ;)

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With all due respect, what can stop you from doing 100% in 1/2 weeks trial?

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I believe they were commenting on 2. which is a demo vs. the free weekend aspect

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Exactly.

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I think NB264 had the best chance to be correct.
If there are DLCs with the base game in a GA they might be in a different package than how the winner obtained the same thing. Thus you can apply even having all parts of it.
Yes you should report it.

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If you read the winner's comments on the giveaway page they finished the game through family sharing but now wanted to own it, too. There's a bit of a debate there about it.

2 weeks ago
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"Family Sharing" - who needs to win anything when they can mooch off a "friend"...

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I got a reply from the giveaway creator that this is actually the case, I'm leaving this thread open for discussion.

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Why do you care if the winner select your gift as received?

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I suggest you read again.

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I did. Steamgifts does not ceck stats or hrs played in the game unless you put some specified condition using this tool to participate the giveaway https://www.sgtools.info/
If the winner mark his gift as received and you done the part of the deal ...
I suggest to read the FAQ again. Steamgifts is a place where you can gift games, not the police ....

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I never behave considerate, friendly or generous, because law doesn't ask me to.

Did I get that right?

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f the winner mark his gift as received and you done the part of the deal ...

It's not that simple, they can win a DLC or package that they already own that is AOK by the site. As a GA creator you do have a say in it, if you want to deliver that to them or not if they own the majority, as it's also in the FAQ. The GA creator should check if the winner really doesn't own the game, but as the winner in this situation only played it through family sharing, they shouldn't have seen any problems.

I did. Steamgifts does not ceck stats or hrs played in the game unless you put some specified condition using this tool to participate the giveaway https://www.sgtools.info/

I think one of the main issues were how can someone play 37 hours in 27 hours, and unlock achievements in the past. It's genuinely a weird situation, I didn't know how it works with family sharing.
(Also, sorry about nitpicking, but important difference: SG can't / doesn't check gameplay stats, it's on the SGTools side, and they are treated differently by the mods as it is an external tool, and it leaves room for misuse on both sides of the GA.)

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The game in question is a rare single player game on this page, that was given away only a handful of times.
The winner apperently has no problem to just get a game as a trophy for his collection to amass dust without ever being used.
I was part of this discussion and I still find it mind boggling egoistic to grab a rare game only to own it, while others could have fun with it.

In this case its even worse since I don't recollect that this game was even in any bundle, so the GA creator had to buy it on steam directly to give it away and literally throwing money down the drain.

I see some people here saying "hey its ok, he received it and marked it so all good". Well I beg to differ. While its not covered as a rule break I find it a very questionable choice.

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Of course I'd rather have the game played by the giftee. If it's a rare and/or expensive game I wouldn't enter the giveaway without the intention to play (in the foreseeable future).

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Isn't it the same as entering a giveaway just to get +1 in your library? Since doing that is allowed in steamgifts, i don't think it's wrong for them to do the same. Besides, it can be tricky to check these kinds of rules.

Don't get me wrong though. I'd rather people to play their won games instead of just aiming for +1 or cards. But these people exist since long time ago, so i dont think that will change anytime soon.

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It's true, it's not really against the rules. It feels wrong though, especially with the game being unbundled and highly wanted...

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Hi Ev
I get your point. From my perspective it's a bit of a dick move (and you know I know what I'm talking about, remember the cake :) ) from the winner.
Legit regarding the rules, but what's the point of entering a GA if one doesn't plan on playing the game soon ? I can understand the winner loved the game and wants to own it in case he wants to play it again in the future, but why not wait for the game to be bundled ? If it's not bundled, then obviously GAs will be rare. Therefore, entering after having already finished the game is taking a chance to play the game from others. Personally, if I love a game so much, I will want to it to be known and played. I remember buying Mass Effect licences for friends, back in the days :)

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How could I ever forget your delicious cake? :D

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Seeing the edit(?s )and the explanation:

I learned something today about how family sharing works. I've used it a few times but didn't activate the game afterwards. (For a while I tried to win Inside, with that the situation would have been the same, gameplay and achievements years beforehand)

All in all, it's just a special case of "just to have it in my library" And this made me feel bad about games where I genuinely intended to play soon after winning it, then life got chaotic, and that was in 2017 :|

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My limited experience with "family share" has been a little odd.
My gf has played some of my games, through her account, on my laptop, and when I later opened one of the games myself, without having played at all, the achievements started popping up.
I know it's not the same as your winner here, Eeev and I understand your frustration, but the whole Family Share thing can mess up stats in the weirdest way so it's something to bear in mind.

And yes we all do enter games we're not sure we'll ever have time to play maybe in years, but I do think entering a GA for a game you already completed just to "have it", is a little (or more) selfish.

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That "achievements started popping up" most likely happened because whatever that game was apparently it doesn't have a unique ID encoded into the save files
This wouldn't have happened if she played on another pc, also it would have happened if she own the game on her account and played on your pc.
Family share is innocent here 😇

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Often I prefer to go back to a game I'm done and finished with again and again over starting something new. I don't know what others read in achievements, they mean nothing to me.

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i've entered giveaways for a few games i've played through family share (only ever won one - mad max), but never something i've 100%'d.. and that list includes several triple-a titles that i wouldn't mind having in my library. it just seems kinda scummy if you ask me. i'd rather have the game go to someone who hasn't already mastered it, ya know. might give an exception if it's a game with unlimited replayability, like hades, slay the spire, monster train, etc. i still think it should be disclosed before entering the giveaway. final say should come down to the gifter.

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You know, I don't see it as a problem when the game in question has been in several bundles and is available for cheap just about anywhere. However, I think it's problematic for new and unbundled, expensive games, as is the case here.

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1- he downloaded the game by pirate it, played it and when you buy the game and play it for first time it detect the "save file" and count the archivements (that happened to me with the final fantasy-hd game)

2- cheats to unlock all archivements

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Clearly OP didn't mean that person had all achievements unlocked at the same time
Also using SAM or save files from pirated version won't register any game time on your Steam Profile

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Eeev,
i am sad that i am be the one that need to say it but it give a other possibility, that is of course a black sheep one -and not listed somewhere above-.
I will not explain it here, that it don't animate someone, but i will explain it to you in a DM.

Oh and as a hint, i know that winner from other stuff and not in a positive way, so i am not really surprised.

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Being family sharing the "culprit", I wonder if it's feasible, or fair for that matter, to prevent people who have achievements of a game they don't own, from joining GAs of that game. (I haven't thought about all the implications with like: free weekends, demoes, etc.)

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I highly doubt that, without being extremely intrusive, or the method being untrustworthy.
I played Inside borrowed from a friend - I still have the textbox on the store page about writing the review (like I have with played, but removed games) but I don't have any achievements or gameplay time shown.
The textbox is the only thing I can find that would prove that I played (enough) the game.

Also, we often play games through family sharing on GF's account - the recently played Hammerwatch shows up on the profile page and as a sub-category for the library, but that only goes back ~ a month, judging from my recently played list.

So all in all, there is no way to check it past the ~month mark, that I'm aware of. (Unless idk, be lucky and BLAEO tracks for the user if they are using the site)

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I think I just found another possibility. If you go here you can "permanently remove" games from your account. I just did some testing: removed a game that I played long ago and had achievements in it, re-synced my steamgifts profile and I was able to enter giveaway for this game. Then I've restored the game (hence the "permanent removal") and all my playtime and achievements are still there :)

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Fuck, I forgot about this. I removed quite some of my games when they turn out to be unenjoyable or just a mistake, and the giveaways reappear on SG. It's entirely possible to get game keys from giveaways, and then just reactivating the steam license and keeping the key. (I guess this is what Masafor was hinting about too)
edit: I love doing some investigation just for the challenge of it. As of now it looks for me that the claim about family sharing is true. On the other hand I do find it troublesome that every information is out in this topic to find the user.

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Yes, i only don't wanted to bring some people on ideas...

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I think for me it depends on the game if it's a "dick move" or not.

If the game is a Singleplayer game that you prob. only play one time and then never again I would also so it's kinda shady.

But if there is a koop or multiplayer and the person can now play with the friend from family-sharing or if it would be a "sandbox game" that you can play over and over again I would say it's okay.

For me: With the gamepass I even don't enter these GAs anymore because I already can play these games.

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As a support member, I would just like to point out that this thread is toeing a fine line of name-calling (not by OP, though) and sharing personal info. Someone above already mentioned the game title so the winner can be easily tracked by now (and they were by multiple people, as I was informed recently). I would have closed it by now for that alone, but alas, not a high enough clearance level.

Now, as a regular SG user, if the family sharing scenario is correct I find the behavior of a winner in a rather poor taste. Especially since it seems that they completed the game and even 100% it. Assuming you are really that impressed with a game after "trying it out", the best show of appreciation would be to buy it yourself and not yoink it from someone else who might be interested in trying it out as well. But that's just my opinion.

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I edit the name out of my post (I don't even understand how you could find a ended GA just with the game name alone ^^; )
Can this situation lead possibly to new rules or better new options for GA creation (kind of like sgtools in a way)?
It seems that this is not a unique case and not covered by any rules, which makes it kinda sad to be honest.

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I don't even understand how you could find an ended GA just with the game name alone

There are ways, but I won't go into that now.

Can this situation lead possibly to new rules or better new options for GA creation (kind of like sgtools in a way)?
It seems that this is not a unique case and not covered by any rules(...)

I can't speak for anyone else but this is the first time that I'm encountering this scenario, so going by that, it is a unique case for me. If it happens again later, I will certainly raise a discussion with other mods in order to prevent it from being a common occurrence.

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Closed 2 weeks ago by eeev.