There is no rule against it. People might not like it and blacklist you for it but it's not against the rules.
Edit: I personally don't think it's against the rules, but moderators/other users might disagree so it's best to err on the side of caution and not do it.
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It really depends how you interpret that rule. Stating you will add anyone to your whitelist if they add you isn't really asking/hinting for a whitelist in my opinion. It's not the same as someone asking/hinting for a whitelist without giving anything in return. That's how I see the rule personally. But some people take them too literally or interpret them to what they want believe. I will defer to whatever a moderator decides since they are the ones who will deal out the punishment.
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Stating you will add anyone to your whitelist if they add you isn't really asking/hinting for a whitelist in my opinion.
So writing that you WL people that WL you, isn't asking for WL (i would call it WL trading) ?
I don't know how much more obvious you want it :-D
The OP had, in the past -for years-, a description in his GAs where he wrote something like "I will WL you, when i see your WL GAs that i can enter" (which means not only WL but WL for not owned games on top).
The rules are, relative, clear. Some mods maybe interpret the rule a tiny bit differently based on different cases but i think in the core all mods would say "it isn't allowed to demand/question for WL in return for a WL that you give".
It's not the same as someone asking/hinting for a whitelist without giving anything in return.
I would like to answer with something but i am not allowed because of the "calling out" rule.
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I genuinely don't interpret the rule that way. Stating isn't the same as asking in my humble opinion, begging for something while not giving anything in return isn't the same as reciprocating, but I can understand how the rule can be interpreted that way. And it is likely the moderators would agree with you, but I see that rule differently ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm not really interesting in discussing the OP. I was honestly just trying to be helpful, but that sure backfired :D That's what discussions and other users are for I guess.
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I was honestly just trying to be helpful, but that sure backfired
I am ok with this and it don't backfired from my side. People can have different opinions without that this lead to problems :o)
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I would argue it's a different interpretation of the rules. I don't believe that rule should apply but I'm not the one who made the rules so I can't know their original intent. It certainly wasn't my intent to spread misinformation.
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"Disinformation is false information deliberately spread to deceive people.[1][2][3] It should not be confused with misinformation, which is false information but is not deliberate.[4]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation
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I think the rule is that you can recruit whitelist, but are not allowed to 'trade' them like that, aka if you add me, I add you.... that I don't think is allowed?
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You are allowed to do it actually, you just aren't supposed to "ask" for it according to your interpretation of the rules.
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No, you are not allowed to write "i set you on my WL when you set me on yours".
You are allowed to add people to your WL, without to demand something for it.
And they can add you to theirs, if they want, without to get "pushed in that direction".
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All I was trying to say was that you are allowed trade whitelist for whitelist there is no actual rule against this, and I see it happen all the time. You just aren't allowed to ask for/hint/state it on this website according to your interpretation of the rules.
You are allowed to add people to your WL, without to demand something for it.
People make demands to be added to a whitelist all the time, that's what whitelist recruitment is all about it. You're misremembering this rule, I think:
Third party giveaways that require or reward users for performing profitable actions. For example, linking to a giveaway on another service that requires or incentivizes users to click a referral link, like a Facebook page, follow a Twitter account, join a Steam group, complete a survey, sign-up for a newsletter, or make a donation.
which states you may not ask for a profitable action.
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Ok then "...without to demand something profitable for it"
From my understanding it was clear that i don't speak about send/won ratio, level or something else that gifters set as minimum req. to add people on their WL ^^.
You just aren't allowed to ask for/hint/state it on this website according to your interpretation of the rules.
And ok, you aren't allowed to demand to added to someones WL when you add him to yours, when you communicate on sg.
Of course you can speak about anything on steam, without getting a problem with the sg support.
I thought this were obvious when we speak about sg ;-D
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You are allowed to do it actually, I've seen many people do it, you just aren't supposed to "ask" for it according to their interpretation of the rules.
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Can someone confirm this is against the rules?
Yes, each mod (and the rules/FAQ)
Or can I post there saying that I will whitelist people who will do the same to me?
No
It's only GIVING not RECIEVING
So if it's not possible to ask to trade/mutual add whitelist, what is the best way to find good people to add to my whitelist, I mean finding people that create many whitelist giveaways?
It don't give one.
If you want it, you must invest time for manual checks.
And as a sidenote, you should have more as enough, from the past, that whitelisted you.
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Hi, thank you for the detailed reply. Good Sunday!
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I was told I couldn't do that, so I had to edit and remove that comment. Can someone confirm this is against the rules?
Rule 18. Whitelist solicitation. Do not ask or hint for other users to whitelist you, unless they are explicitly asking or searching for such users and you fulfill their requirements.
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Most times, people who are interested in Whitelist "trading" just want to better their chances of winning and kinda abuse the system.
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Every time I win a giveaway I add the person who created the GA to my Whitelist. Just so that person has a chance to win something from me after they've gifted me a game. It doesn't get me on their list but for me it's something I feel obliged to do so I stand a better chance of being able to give something back.
As for getting on other people's lists, I really think the best way is probably to stay active on the discussion forums (something I personally have not been able to do for quite some time sadly) and just try to be helpful and courteous and reach out to people, try to forge connections with people, offer advice when you can, lend a listening ear when you don't know what kind of advice to give (or when that's all the other person wants as opposed to advice) and after that, everything that you're trying to achieve with growing your Whitelist stat will just come naturally.
PS - You've created many many GA's and you've been here for a long time. I can't believe that you don't already have an impressive Whitelist number already. Do most people not do that, add the creator of the GA's they win? I kinda feel dumb for saying all that after I looked at your profile and saw how much you've given, I just was not expecting to see that. You should definitely be on more people's lists.
PPS - Your ratio is still heavily tilted towards Games Sent, but numbers wise you have won a large number of games. I know I've been on other people's lists before who, after I won a few games from them, even a couple of their GA's in a row, they removed from their WL to give other people a chance to win. I didn't take it personally or as a slight of any kind and I understand how no one wants to see the same person win all of their games no matter how much they like them. Maybe something similar has happened and you've gotten bumped from some lists for something similar? Sorry I'm just spitballing/brainstorming and trying to figure it out because you really should be on more people's lists.
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Hi there!
Idled a long time and just recently added a few giveaways and participated on some forum posts and then I was added to a few whitelists.
Probably your best bet is to contribute actively and positively to the community like launching GA trains or post some interesting discussions.
Good luck!
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it is against the rules to trade whitelists but there are some people that do it or they tell you they added you at their whitelist so you feel obligated to add them back.
add only those you feel are worth it for your own reasons. don't feel like you need to add them back if they whitelist you first.
i was even "attacked" once because it happened to remove someone from my whitelist 🤣
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no sarcasm, JHartmann:
it's kinda surprising it took you 9 years to understand you were doing it wrong.
So if it's not possible to ask to trade/mutual add whitelist, what is the best way to find good people to add to my whitelist, I mean finding people that create many whitelist giveaways?
your SG "whitelist" is for "good people" (as you've said)
but "good people" doesn't mean "people that create many whitelist giveaways". that's what you're doing it wrong,
it's just a subtle but very important difference.
and, again, no sarcasm at all (you wouldn't have asked in public discussions, in the first place... but beware of blacklists you might get)
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Hi icaio,
Thanks for your opinion.
I don't think there's a right or wrong way of doing it. For example to me it is a good thing to give back something to someone who has also given me something. At least that's what makes sense TO ME.
Better thinking, I see now that what I said "people that create many whitelist giveaways" does sound a bit bad, but at the same time I have over 800 games that I want to create whitelist giveaways, so "many" is normal to me.
I think the keyword here is "mutual", win/win situation for both sides. Hope you can understand me even if disagreeing.
Good week!
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Tbh, seeing that on giveways description I would mark creator as desperate beggar. Considering people who will take such offer wouldn't be much better, it seems really ineffective.
How about blacklist for blacklist?
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Now that's a great idea, would be a much better thing for a GA description.
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If someone sees "WL me and I will WL you back" or "If I see your WL giveaway I will add you to my WL wink wink" there is a report button. They won't be suspended for first warning, but will for repeated.
We put this rule explicitly outside of the begging rule, so people can't try to say that asking for whitelist is not begging. Without it "good giveaways" from high level users would be flooded with people asking or hinting to be added to WL.
If someone looks for people to add to their WL - we made separate forum category for that, so people who want to get requests can have place for that.
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In that case, is it possible at this moment to promote junior mods so they can handle user report tickets?
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We will do a review, but from what I see in the "background" we have so many Juniors now that queue is often empty and there are not many tickets to train on.
And I'm sure they "solved" a lot of User Reports. Users are suspended for inactivated wins, referral links, begging etc. but it's missed to go to the queue to search if tickets were made on this particular user to close them (well Juniors can't see the queue, but even more senior moderators miss to do it). Some tickets are missing basic information like link to an offensive comment, so they are unsolvable. Unless someone checks daily if reported user is suspended it would be missed. We will just need to clean up the queue from those when there is time.
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really just out of curiosity: if you're handling a ticket missing basic information, unsolvable, you'll close it or it will stay open?
thanks for all other infos.
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It's closed. It's like you'd go on the police as your wallet is missing, but don't remember in which European-10-country-road-trip you saw it last.
If it's about a discussion we can now go to the profile and search for discussions made by the user, unless they delete it and ticket creator did not make any screenshot. It is gone for good, GDPR etc. If it's about a comment then it's not possible to find it.
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Funny GDPR. Who would care.
Surely not those French restaurants that were making list of customers that "did not spend enough money", to ban them from making reservations. Oh well for making list of clients, using their private information, without their clear consent.
https://www.insider.com/restaurant-tipping-tourist-europe-france-vacation-blacklist-st-tropez-mayor-2023-8
Siri told Nice Martin that these restaurants were flouting several laws — including extortion and disregarding data privacy laws — which could result in the loss of their late-night licenses. These licenses are required to sell alcoholic beverages.
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noice indeed but we're talking about St Tropez (easily find smth to eat for 3000/5000 euro) and all those law-breaking-french-restaurants are risking something like "licenses to sell alcohol late at night"...
still an honorable mayor move, tho.
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Those juniors won't need training because 149 tickets have more than enough information to be resolved. Just promote them please and let them handle stuff because apparently neither cg nor other mods don't have time or don't want to enforce site rules.
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Hi,
In the past I used to leave a comment on my giveaways saying that I would add to my whitelist anyone who adds me to theirs and I would see whitelist giveaways they created.
I was told I couldn't do that, so I had to edit and remove that comment. Can someone confirm this is against the rules?
Also noticed there is a whitelist recruitment discussion group, but as far as I can see it's only for adding other people and not being added back? Or can I post there saying that I will whitelist people who will do the same to me?
So if it's not possible to ask to trade/mutual add whitelist, what is the best way to find good people to add to my whitelist, I mean finding people that create many whitelist giveaways?
Because whitelist giveaways are only visible to people who are already whitelisted.
The only way I see to find people who create many whitelist giveaways is to individually check each user profile and see their latest's giveaways created.
Is there any easier way to find users that create whitelisted giveaways?
Thanks
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