I am considering this PC, on sale for the next 2 days.

https://deals.dell.com/en-ca/productdetail/b3os
https://deals.dell.com/en-ca/productdetail/b3p6

Why is this listed twice? I see no difference. If you see the difference between these pages, let me know.

$1849.99 plus tax Canadian for the 32GB ver. No other extras needed.

The 3060 Ti, 8 GB GDDR6 seems pretty good. Its not 4K gaming but should be great for 1080 and 1440 gaming. It also seems to be decent for day to day work loads as well.

I've watched a bunch of vids and I'm think I'm good with it unless there is a major gotcha I missed.

I don't know too much about the "i7-11700" cpu. Will this be good? Seems not to bad.

Whats the difference between this and the K ver. Is this a locked vs unlocked issue. If so then I'm fine with locked. I'm unlikely to overclock. My days of digging into that stuff was years ago.

What motherboard is this using? I would like a manual to see the internal connections.

Bitlocker.
Seems it comes with win11 Home and not Pro. I use bitlocker on win10pro. Does anyone know if this hardware does device encryption and therefor does not need pro. I suppose I can always upgrade it to pro after if needed. The differences between device encrypt and full bitlocker is nice but not needed as long as one works.

Note. I am the IT for a company. But all computers I've purchased in the past 10 years have been business ones. Best bang for the buck for office work. Gaming was not really looked at, but regular performance was. I used to do builds many years ago but I have no interest in researching all the parts and making sure everything works together. I'd rather buy a system. Swapping parts is normal and I'll be adding a couple bits from my current box. I'm just not looking to build from scratch.

L5+ open until Friday night.
QDRAT/depth-hunter-2-deep-dive
dDT6Q/demon-hunter-3-revelation

And with that... I'm off to bed. its nearly 2am and I have work in the morning.

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Good?

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Potato

Prebuild Dell... Probably a potato...

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The difference in links is probably the more about the path:
Computers & Electronics for Home Canada / PC & Electronics Deals / XPS Deals / XPS Special Edition Desktop
Computers & Electronics for Home Canada / PC & Electronics Deals / Desktop Computer Deals / XPS Special Edition Desktop

As for buying from Dell, I would advise against.

Another good reason to avoid is because you don't know exactly what you are getting.
eg > Hard Drive > 512 GB, M.2, PCIe NVMe, SSD + 1 TB, 7200 RPM, 3.5-inch, SATA, HDD < which brand, Seagate, Western Digital, Samsung, some other lesser known?
They are probably stocked with generic brands rather than quality materials.

Power Supply, either 360 or 500W, doesn't clearly say, either way that is a tight "fit", would be better with 800W, knowing any upgrades you add will be fine.

I could go on and on with this.

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not everyone needs a 800w psu and some configs have trouble with too low loads on the psu. 800W are only really needed with 11900k, 5950X or threadripper based systems with a 3080ti or 3090

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Yeah but 500W for this setup is quite little, though.

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800W would probably be a little overkill for this PC, but Techpowerup does recommend at least 550W even for Dell's 3060 Ti

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Perhaps but this setup like DarkDreams said should have a 600W really. I only said 800W to "future -proof" it, with any upgrades that you pay later ... a new GPU that will probably want more juice, a few more HDDs/SSDs, if you want multiple storage options and/or backup drives, etc. Cals7 did say this PC was for gaming, so the GPU WILL be upgraded in the future.

Most prefer to upgrade their PC where possible instead of constantly buying new PCs every few years. My last rig lasted about 10 years before I built a new one, yet despite the age I didn't really have any games I couldn't play until the 9 year mark.

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in short, specwise more then enough for gaming at 1080p and 1440p. but please never ever take a dell, alienware, lenovo, hp, acer or something simliar of this sort, it is basically e-waste because it works with propriatary crap. I'd look out for a SI that works with standardized parts. it may be a tad more expensive but in the long run you can easily change anything you need. another thing i dont like on prebuilds that they dont specify which parts are used, which ssd, which ram modules if you plan to buy 2 additional identical sticks etc.

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Gamers Nexus has done quite a few prebuilt reviews lately. Not for this particular one, I think, but I think that some stuff will apply.

In particular, the motherboard is likely custom, and no other MB will fit in the case, the PSU is likely custom and won't connect to another MB, nor will you be able to replace it because another PSU won't connect to the MB. The 3060 Ti is likely the cheapest possible. CPU cooling is also likely to be bad.

In short, what I learned from Gamers Nexus is that if you buy a prebuilt from Dell or HP, they might work, but don't ever expect to upgrade them, don't expect them to have great temperatures, and make sure you uninstall all the crap software or performance could tank.

Also, Dell tends to add a support subscription by default, and sometimes even hide that fact, and it's important to look for it.

Whats the difference between this and the K ver. Is this a locked vs unlocked issue.

Yes.

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Why is this listed twice? I see no difference. If you see the difference between these pages, let me know.

me neither

Whats the difference between this and the K ver. Is this a locked vs unlocked issue. If so then I'm fine with locked.

Yes, in Intel's naming convention K stands for the unlocked multiplier version.

What motherboard is this using? I would like a manual to see the internal connections.

That's where the problems start. If you ever want to upgrade your box then good luck. See this video if you want to know what I mean. A minor issue is the use of single channel RAM in the base version but as you are in for 32 GB(2x16 GB) it doesn't affect you.

Disclosure: I'm a long-term Alienware Arena(sponsored by Dell) member but that doesn't keep me from giving my honest opinion.

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Ouch. From elsewhere it looks like this one got rid of that swing system that causes so many issues in that one. The cooling looks better but might still be on the low side. (assuming this one is like the other 8940 models.) Its still a custom motherboard so not all coolers would work. looks like it may have a nonstandard fan mount. Might be ok. still undecided.

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Dude... You're getting a Dell?... =P

Seriously, though, don't get one of these. If you're going prebuilt (which is fine and almost the only way to get a GPU right now), you are much better off going with something from Cyberpower. There you can at least pick from a selection of parts, and they won't be some garbage custom Dell brand versions.

But, don't just go there and throw together some build and order it. You'll probably be screwing yourself out of a bunch of extra money. You could have multiple customized builds there with the same exact parts, but different prices. So, at the very least, you will want to go to different PCs that they have there, but customize them the same exact way, and then go with the cheapest option.

Here are some examples of the same build customized from a different PC option (USD):
$1740
$1820
$1867

I would really recommend checking out this Build a PC Sales reddit a couple of times a day. Be on the look out for people posting deals from Cyberpower. You'll probably save an extra $100-$400 (I mean, you'll still be overpaying, but not as much) and be able to get a decent system and still customize it to what it is that you want.

It would also be a great idea to check out PC Part Picker as reference. You can look at some PC builds, parts and their prices to get an idea as to what you may want to look into. You should set up your own saved parts list, too. You can create multiple builds there, and you can use that to compare to prebuilt prices.

Here is the same (except a similar case) part list to compare to the previous Cyberpower links, with a normal GPU price (USD):
$1208.14

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good idea, I'll be looking around there after work tonight to check things out further.

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do you really need 1080 gaming unless it's for streaming it's not got going to do much is it?

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Oh wigglenose, 1080p is the standard since a looong time. Nowadays 1440p or 4k is what gamers are aiming at. As Todd Howard put it: "sixteen times the detail". Although it's only eight times if you compare 1080p to 4k.

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has it really? i know plenty of people that don't use it but yes i meant to write 1440 not 1080 or though i can see a lot of newish "gaming pc" that still don't go to 1080

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this is the one my son bought - he's not used it yet though
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/402893666499

what do you use?

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I was an early adopter for 4k gaming in 2015 so I have at least a clue what I'm talking about. I had an Intel 4900 K, AMD R390X, Asus sound card custom build with an 42" 4k 60Hz tv as 60 Hz monitor.
Right now I'm back to square one with a HP 1080p(sic) laptop welp. But I intend to build a new system if I can get hold of a decent graphics card for an (for me) acceptable price or at least a mid tier gaming laptop for the next months.

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wow you must have a lot of $$$ then

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Not really but if you build your own PC you can save some money or do a better job for the same money as a prebuilt system costs. Btw your son's gaming laptop is pretty decent for the price.

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thanks he isn't like a massive massive gamer in high end but his old machine broke and so needed a new one and this looked better than what he had for a similar price so thought why not - you mean you actually build the machine from scratch yourself? wow would/could never do that

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you mean you actually build the machine from scratch yourself? wow would/could never do that

There's nothing special to it a bit like LEGO for grown-ups. Linus from Linus tech tips showed his five year old daughter building a PC. Obviously the components you choose have to make sense but there's PCPARTPICKER helping you with your choices.

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i can't image the games i play need 1080 or even benefit from it

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Low cost laptops with some funny resolutions excluded 1080p is the standard for at least 10 years. Streamers use this resolution to save bandwidth and to reduce system load.

As vial said it depends on screen size and the type of game. You won't see much difference in a game with low poly graphics. Competitive players reduce all graphical bling in favor of maximal frame rates.

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I'd only advise against Dell if you were going for a Laptop, because if your charger breaks it would be a nightmare. Using an unauthentic charger or an original Dell charger with a reference that doesn't match your original charger would throttle the TDP package levels and make your laptop run games at like 30% performance. Honestly this convinced me enough not to buy anything anymore from Dell.

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Found a similar one on Microcenter, so you can see what the innards would look like:
https://www.microcenter.com/product/640652/dell-xps-8940-gaming-pc-platinum-collection

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I found another similar one on youtube that showed the insides. It had a much better cooler then this one looks to have at this link. I wish I knew what one this particular model has.

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Windows 11 requires the hardware to have TPM 2, so I am sure it can handle encryption. I would still go with Pro over home version, but that's just me. (Assuming I don't just jump ship to Linux). ;)

That being said, I still use my Dell XPS from Jan 2012 for most things, including gaming. I upgraded the RAM and SSD from Dell a while later, but stayed with the stock graphics card until I switched to NVidia some years later.

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Thats my thoughts on the TPM as well. I think that means the device encrypt will just work. If I do it, I would try home but I can see myself upgrading to pro.

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WAIT!!!

Whatever you purchase, please wait for a good Black Friday deal since that's only a month away, especially for this exact price range.
Other than that, people talk about brands but I don't think that's a make or break thing, I'm sure Dell is fine, and whatever components you get will probably suit you just fine also, but you'll be able to get a MUCH better deal somewhere next month. I bought a $1700 PC two years ago and got it for $1200 from ibuypower.com after some time with their part picker.

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Yes, that's part of the dilemma. This is their black Friday or so they say. I'm sure they and also many other companies will also have sales shortly. Problem is that demand is only getting worst. My computer is barely functional at the moment. Its about 10 years old. It died. I fixed it with parts from an even older one. The current blend is very old. lol. That all said, I'm not to concerned if I miss this. I'm sure more sales will be along shortly.

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Oh... well then yeah if this is the sale then idk.
Having something functional is important, and if you currently have nothing then a month is a long time to wait for sure.
The one you listed seems fine if you have that money available to spend, but personally I go a bit more middle of the road if you don't need a 30 series graphics card, especially when not also going for an i9 processor for total future proofing.

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Cpu is so much overkill for gaming especially not 4k, which also cost more power, people often forget and need to be careful if their power costs are already high. Windows Pro kinda too.

Better picking parts and hopefully have a store that will build it in for you for like 20 euro extra (i did and seems so much more complicated then my previous pc's and i am also an IT guy).
Personally i never had problems with my HP pc once though, although the case was very small, you couldn't build much more into, usually you pay for the brand and service too.

For someone being the IT at a company, you should know a bit more. ;)

Last, many will not know a canadian dollar and can't be bothered to exchange currency to US $ or euro.

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1850 Can is 1500 US for anyone still reading.. :)

Yes, I have considered those options and I'm still considering them.

Yes, I do know more, lol. It was 2am and I was trying to avoid a wall of text with work in the morning. I've done many builds, and have done a few over clocks. But those were mostly years ago. Things change. I'm not up on the newest of everything. The computers I've bought for work have all been sub $1000. Very good at day to day stuff but no GPU considerations for games. Most I only modified a small bit before I deployed them.

My computer is fully custom. Its also very very old. And has lasted for my games for many years until parts started failing. I've used parts from a couple boxes to get what I have now back up and running. Its barely ok for minimal work at the moment.. I bet no parts other then the SDD and HD are newer then 10years old. My work computer runs faster then my home one at the moment. And I bought this work one several years ago. (it was higher end then most I buy for work, but the last couple new work boxes have finally caught up to it)

This box is small and would be hard to upgrade. That might not be an issue however. I tend to re purpose boxes and it would live on in other uses if I upgrade again in say 4 or 5 years. I also have family who could use it if I upgrade a few years from now.

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From what I've heard companies like Dell or HP always use proprietary parts so it can be difficult or impossible to upgrade or swap them. You should watch these two relatively recent videos of prebuilt Dells to get an idea of what you may be in for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DMg6hUudHE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N7aYtkzKJc

Personally I would avoid Dell like the plague. Gamers Nexus reviewed this one and said it was kinda decent pre-built https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2vrvQydVIw

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You may want to check this

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