I would risk it for a job that I like more than one that "just pays the bills". I'd also look for an appartment near the other job and move there. 45-60 minutes is a pretty common drive here between cities and I rather be close to a city that has more opportunities in a bad economic.
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The actual handling of the car goes fine, it's more the insight, seeing things ahead in time, maybe i am just not meant to drive (i atleast could admit that unlike alot of other people on the road). But it is also not as easy to get a license here as in some other countries, not too mention costly (200 for an exam and if they let someone fail and retry it's more money for them).
After 4 tries you get a state exam, and with more "patience" and time, but my whole leg was shaking, i needed a break but then the guy doing my test ticked his watch and said i got more candidates after you, the jerk.
There are people suggesting to try some natural herbs or something like that to calm you down a little bit. Good luck!
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Yeah they are very strict over here too, they'll flunk you for just about anything. Like even my driving instructor told me that a lot of these things are nonsense but that I just have to learn them and follow through on the exam and that once I get my drivers license I can ease up and drive in a way I find more suitable (but still reasonable and non-dangerous of course).
Everyone tells me I should drink a shot of heavy liqueur before driving lol. But I'm not so sure that's a good idea. I don't think I'll get nervous anyway, it's just that there's so many things happening around you sometimes that it's hard to pay attention to everything and drive the way they expect you too. I find some of the rules silly and unnecessary so I tend to ignore or forget about them sometimes lol. Hopefully that won't happen tomorrow, I'll have to focus as fuck lol.
Also here if you fail the exam the cost for the second time doubles lol. So that sucks.
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Sounds crazy... the prices
My driving exam was some 40 eur. And It was a bit cheaper to retake because we have to do figures (parallel park, garage, driving up the hill, you know - basic control of the car), and if you pass the figures then its only road test.
Anyhow - failed 2 times. For stupid stupid little reasons. And Im a good driver. I study vehicle engineering and my hobby is racing.
Still, had to take my test 3 times, because here they value your ability to act as a good driver instead of actually being a good driver..
So no worries - can happen to anyone..
Funny side note - I was in a crash (okay, to some extent funny) the night before my first exam. My hometown was filled with people and rally cars because of a stage of rally championship. I wasnt at the wheel - my buddy was, and we got T-boned haaaard. Both cars where totaled..
And like that - shaken up, head hurting, all the muscles still sore - I had to take an exam..
Sorry for offtopic Lugum, but I had to share :D
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I paid the driving exam around 55€ and the instructor told me I'll have to pay around double that for the second one if I fail. I haven't bothered asking why, I'm just going to hope I pass tomorrow. Failing would be bad for the budget meant to buy used car that's not complete garbage.
And yeah what you said is true, they care more about you driving defensively and being cautious, over-cautious even than anything else to the point where it's not only silly but annoying.
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Well, on a positive note - prices of used cars is going down I have noticed. I bought mine for 1900 eur. Now I could resell it only for a half of it.
Oh and yeah, the time I passed my exam - he actually started saying ""youre too much careful, checking pedestrians with too much attention"
I was like - duuuuude, I just failed two times for appereantly not giving a way to a women who didnt even knew where she was going.
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At least you drive in car you learned in, with instructor next to you, and examinator at back seat :P
I failed my 1st attempt, as exams here are in gov owned cars and brakes worked different than in car I got used on lessons... and I stopped like 10 cm too early before line on training ground of exam office.
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I failed twice, got it on my 3rd try. On my second fail I...ran a very red light, lol, I was so busy checking my mirrors I just drove straight through, dum-di-dum.
Dunno how I made it the 3rd time, maybe I stopped caring. I did practice my mirror behaviour on my bike, I pretended to be in a car, so it became a routine, I still do it.
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I didn't expect to have a discussion about driving exams here lol. I'm going for a driving training session in 2 hours and I noticed that I can't process everything well at the same time and that I always miss to forget something (Instructor just tells me that I will get used to it. Yes how convenient for him no?). Didn't think about using a bike to train. Any other tips that can help me prepare without costing me too much ??
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It's really a hard one... If you don't have much financial burden (i.e. you can live a year without income), then probably take the job which you want to do most, and rent a room near your new workplace? The hard part is finding a new job if this one doesn't work out, which could be hell.
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Well i live with my parents, only cost are medical ones (as long as i got a few hundred euro left i can manage a year, in the past i had to rely on my dad to sometimes help out), and i could stay here as long as they stay alright, while some guys are just fine with that, it's not with me as in wanting a family of my own someday,
Yeah i experienced the hell of trying to find something, and this was a blessing money wise (it allowed me to buy a new pc, which maybe wasn't smart right away, but after 8 years i earned it).
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Older I get the more I try to avoid long commutes to work.
The longest I ever did was 1.5 hour each way, and those were 12+ hour shifts. It was rough, I never got to enjoy life but I made a lot of money. I hated it. I would rather make a bit less and not be far from home (are you able to go home for lunch break? that alone saves you money).
I guess it depends on the job, but in my experience the 'grass is always greener on the other side'.
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I really hate public transport here, it's expensive (10 euro for a trip back and forth going to that job) a day. Whenever there is a leaf on the rail, let alone snow alot of times trains don't ride (so then see how you get to work).
What someone else said, maybe after awhile moving could be an option, not like i am bound here. this job seem to be normal 8 hour days.
The current job there isn't enough time to go back and forth to home, we take our own bread with us. I go there by bike, so it isn't even costing me gas money, however there has been some issues, in that i don't know 100% if i can stay there, even then since if there is a period with less work, might sit at home for awhile just the same. I need to be start building something. if you already got something build it'd be easier to accept lesser.
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I'm looking for ANY job. I live in a country where you can't really have the luxury of picking whatever you want because there isn't shit available.
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I can't say about Italy but the market here seems to be growing again, in that they really need people these days, while some years ago they could easily pick out of hundreds of applicants. Loads of Polish Immigrants coming here too, jobs that alot don't want to seem to do, maybe look abroad?
Hope you find something, someday, hang in there. Something will come.
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I was quite interested in moving to the Netherlands actually, it's a really nice place. Do you think there are enough jobs available? (Even the most humble ones, as long as i can keep paying rent i'm fine).
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Yeah i think there will be enough jobs, i tried a cheese factory here, where cheese is blasted clean with a water pressure hose and you scrape bad pieces off by hand, or i even came across a warehouse job that involved alot of lifting (and working very early hours) jobs that have like 90% polish people (who don't even speak dutch and you don't know that when trying to talk with them). If you are open to that sort of jobs then there are plenty of chances i think.
There are specialized agencies i think that could assist you, most would even provide a roof for you, but conditions might not be the best, and you might be required to speak some english so you can atleast communicate, but i think that seems good enough.
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It depends on your priorities. Accepting this work would cost you time and money (for public transportation - I would spend around €100 a month for a bus pass to a place that takes around 60 minutes do get there ) ... but if you'll be doing something you enjoy more than what you're doing at your current work, maybe it's worth it.
I value time above money and If I was in your situation I would stay where you are at the moment. I wouldn't waste two hours a day in public transportation even If I was working in something I didn't enjoy ... only if I had no choice.
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Yeah and those priorities i struggle with, i do value time too, but on the hand i need the money being able to start getting somewhere in life.
It's currently 3 days a week (could become more, i don't know yet, but i also struggle with my health a little) but it's physically demanding (not alot but still) against a 5 day week and assuming alot more sitting behind a desk.
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That yeah, i don't need a big car, go to a restaurant every week, don't care for that kind of stuff, most i want in life is a partner and kids, but while some guys do, i don't want to be completely dependent on a woman (which therefor i barely try dating atm).
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I'm actually in the process of trying to get such a new job, that's more to my taste than the current one. Although the travelling time is more in the 30 minutes zone. Definitely getting it if the salary is good enough.
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If it's not, it will depends on quality of life details (like possibility of part-time, possibility of remote work, quantity of working hours). My current job is globally pretty nice, I'm just not too happy with the salary, particularly compared to my coworkers (same salary for all despite quite dissimilar skillsets) and considering the occasional work rushes where the bosses still keep piling up always more "urgent" work even when we're overwhelmed. It's nothing I can't handle, but the current price isn't right.
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i actually am trying to find i job a like over the non secure shitty job that i got proposition for with the organization that help looking for job in my country. My decision is mostly based on the fact that those jobs did a number on my wrist and back since the few years i do them thus having a job in the deprtment i made my studies would be really great for both my mental and physical health. the very problem is its harder to find job so ... well i hope money won't run out x)
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If you're unhappy with your current job then definitely look for a better one. If you'd get paid more and you would prefer that job over the one you currently have then I think you should give it a try. If it works out well you could move closer to it, to save up on time and cost or work there but stay where you are until you find something equally good or better nearby. If it doesn't work out it won't be the end of the world, you'll find something else eventually. Taking a risk is not an easy thing to get yourself to do but if you're currently unhappy about your situation then I think it's necessary.
Don't get "married to your job" only because you got used to it or because you feel like looking for something better is too risky.
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!!! That is no joke !!!
Throw/flip a coin after you say which side stands for which decission.
And then only "look" on your feeling/thoughts on which side you want that the coin lands....
Then you know exactly what you want
I would normaly take the safer option when i don't have a job (better "only" a bit then nothing -and mostly you don't need much to be happy and have "all" that you REALLY need-)
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I would tend to believe in such stuff, being spiritual too, but like online cards i draw, i'd just keep on going till i get a desired result, probably with a coin the same.
All i need to be happy is a partner (and kids) but with being financial not that stable, that is a bit off the planks. (and even if i had money i am too shy to try asking someone out).
It's like saying money doesn't buy you happyness, but you sure can do fun things with it, and not having any money at all sure would make most unhappy.
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It is right that you need a bit of money to do a bit more then only survive.
But a lot of people think they need sooooo much (x handys, x TV's, x PCs/Consoles and so on...). That stuff don't make you happy in the end only a few "moments" in a not very deep way.
You have much more, deep, happines when you sit in the nature, look at the clouds that "fly" on the sky, hear animals, smell fresh cutted grass ... and such things.
And yes a partnership and a child can make very happy.
My son was the best part of my life but as always you have the other side of the coin too. When you can't see, hear, cuddle your child, when it is ill, have a accident or die (i know the last ones don't happen often -and that is good-).
When you have health issues you would be more happy over a "normal" time then anyone that never had a bad time.
I think all in the life have both sides. "Good" and "bad" (i don't want name it that way but i don't have better words for it). It give nothing that have only one side. And each situation will let you grow.
Let us look at your situation (the bit you wrote in this thread).
Living by the parents and partly can't pay all for yourself. Sounds in the first moment only bad but you have from it a closer connection to your parents. Your are more thankful for the things you get.
When you have fewer stuff you are more thankfull for the bit you have and for smaller things you earn yourself or get as presents.
Yes maybe you can't make the big jumps at the moment but i am sure you learned to be happy with fewer/smaller things and without a lot of money you see very fast which friends are really friends and which ones are only around when they can get anything.
That are only examples but i hope you understand what i want to say.
I wish you that you find the right way for yourself.
Ps.: The thing with the girls is not soooo difficult... be yourself... treat them as humans ( and not only moving boobs -hard quest for us hetero males i know :o)- )... let them feel that you are really interested on the things they say, think and feel.... be honest... be a gentleman most of the time and be "the bad man" the most wish for other situations^^. cooking and poem helps too
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I have these priorities when it comes to work (or life in general):
I wouldn't stay in a job that made me unhappy or even miserable. Nor one that was damaging to my physical well-being. Time is more important than money as long as you have enough to make a decent living, it was never that important to me. So If it was my dream job or one I'd really think I'd like, I would risk it, spend the travel time for a short while but try to move closer to the job as soon as possible. Travel time is a pretty big factor for me since it takes away time of your day. Playing it safe rarely leads to more happiness. Also consider what's the worst that could happen? Losing a job isn't the end of the world. But ultimately choose whatever you think will make you happiest. And remember that you don't have to do anything, it's your life.
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That's a good way to look at it, losing a job however could be the end of the world, depending on where you live, what experiences you have it could be hard for some to find something new (it took me awhile to find something) i got another colleague that was without a job for 5 years, although the market is currently better then a few years ago.
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Losing a job is never the end of the world, unless you could no longer provide for your base needs, and even then you can still recover. So if you're conditions are so dire that you really need a job, don't take the risk. I spend a long of time looking for a job too, several years of unemployment without any relevant experience, so I know what it's like. Finally got lucky to find the job I have now which I'm pretty happy with. In the end it doesn't matter much what I think do what you feel is right for you and your goals and needs.
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Well, I literally moved to another country for a job (2x2 now lol) since I couldn't even get an interview in Slovenia, so my answer would be if the whole package would be seen as an upgrade, definitively. I would also move - as my experience in UK proved it is crucial that you can get to your workplace on foot if necessary. But the way I see it you are thinking about trading in your socialising time for transportation time?
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You really trying some serious effort for it.
Well that other job would cost travel time (and with my past job experiences (one in the same place)) i didn't like it very much, but our trains can be dirty (and i am a bit of a clean freak when it comes to that, and haven't been in a train for many years) but also the costs, it takes a big chunk out of your salary.
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What is the chunk in % for overall costs increase in comparison to salary difference? IMHO it shouldn't be over 50%, Don't forget to include stuff like more expensive/cheaper lunches, drinks at work, etc. In the end, it all comes down to the company and what it can offer to lower those costs. Btw, what line of work are you in?
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It cost 10 euro a day, that is around 1 hour of working, there might be some discount if you get a month pass, but i haven't traveled that way for awhile so i dunno the correct amounts. In any job i always just brought my own lunch, and it surely helps if there just is a coffee/tea machine that is free (usually that is the case, though some are stingy and it cost you like a quarter).
I dropped out of school not by choice when i was 15, worked in construction, did some computer jobs, now i work at an electronics company, doing not that difficult work (they asked for no experience) they wanted to fire me and a few others after 1 month, but i said to the chef wait a minute you kinda throwing us in the deep and he agreed (he is a cool guy) and we could stay, but i am still afraid.
The other job is cleaning software and preparing pc's (which is in my line of experience).
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If the current employer is struggling you don't have much choice really... And you can always keep looking for a job closer to home. Or, you can start a repair shop. Have you thought about getting some certificates? The current employer (or the next one) may even pay for them.
Oh, and I would also do a test run, see how much energy and money is required for the daily commute etc. My current employer, a corporation btw, does not provide free drinks (1-2€!!!), not even a water fountain; this results in me transporting actual bottled water to my (office) workplace. Such little details can creep up on you if you're not careful :)
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I got MCSE certificates and 8 other computer related (was busy getting them, then start an official study when i had some money, but that part never came, i could have had my bachelor (that's what you get for the first part of your study) and now i am like an age like maybe i am too old for it.
I tried looking at a repair shop but some actually closed here, because computers are so cheap, like other equipment people rather buy a new one i guess.
If i ever get enough money i would start a food truck i think, good or bad economy people will Always buy food, and i could bring in a laptop for the quiet hours.
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I meant the official servicing certificates, like those one needs to repair items in warranty; house-electronics are not much different from computers these days (That is my backup career). But afaik they cost as much as a small car.
"(A bit of a) clean freak" working in a food truck? Mixing money and food and sick people and rain and vehicular dirt? :D
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I once worked in a company that was eventually bought out.
The new owners revised hole structure of the company.
I couldnt keep on working there (was over that in like a minute), but some of the people were fired at the age of over 50. Ones who have worked there for significant part of their and companies life.. And thats just harsh.
Sorry you had to go through the same
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Being young and wanting to run away from anything that ways me down, I personally am looking at jobs Id want to do even if there are places to work already..
Im looking at traveling out of country as well.. And not a neighboring country - one thats on the other side of the globe. So that says a lot about my attitude towards "stable" anything.
If theres a significant chance of losing that other job, it might not be worth it, but overall Id go for the one I love. It sucks the life out of you - working a job your not 100% down with. Settle down if you dont see your job as job but as a hobby. Something youd be sitting at home on frday evening, nothing to do and youll go "I might just do some work"..
Thats the one to aim for... Not possible always and not for everyone, but at least theres something to look forward to.
Friend of mine started working in an interesting company doing bunch of stuff around factory. But he doesnt like it, so is it worth it ? If your not on a verge of being homeless or starving - go for what you love..
Anyhow - I doubt at your age any of this is new to you, but, well.. Im a talkative person :)
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Haha, thats true :D That backlog never leaves you without attention. And I feel overwhelmed already with 500 games, 7k could suffice for the whole life
Thanks, may you come to conclusion in your own dilemma, too, and it works out best for you :)
Dont you guys really love bicycles in Netherlands ? I might just be without a work if I intend to work on cars :D
Jokes aside - Im actually looking at something related to auto racing.. Noticed add for rally mechanics in Austria. Maybe I should check out other offers around the europe, too.
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For much of my life I worked at startups, in jobs which were very interesting but a long commute away, and also paid less than I could have made elsewhere (but it was still a programming job, so better paid than many other jobs, I suppose). I spent the time commuting on public transportation to read or write or program pet projects.
After my second kid was born, I moved to a job close to home that wasn't really my cup of tea. Luckily it eventually developed into something more interesting.
I can't make up your mind for you. Risks are always risky. :) I'm kind of an optimist, though I suppose that's because I never had a real problem finding a job and early on had my parents as a safety net.
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I read that as "Jbond, do you look out to be better?"
All jokes aside, I once did, yes. Problem is, I can't find anything that quite works well for me and my current situation - I was already pretty lucky getting the job I have, even if I do complaint about it all the time. Overall it's... fine. Not the best kind of work and pays minimum wage (with no sight of a raise, even after 2+ loyal years of part time - Many positions are part time due to the nature of the job).
Have I tried finding something better in the past? Yes. Did I succeed? Nope. Am I still trying? Not at this time. I mostly only look for an alternative when I get really frustrated/nerve breakdown and just want to "get the fuck out".
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I work at home as a Content Specialist (social media brand moderation). The reason I don't have many options is, well... I kinda live in the middle of nowhere. I wouldn't be able to get any other job which requires working away from home for this reason, among other.
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I would never want to commute. The farthest job I had was a 1h walking distance and I was pretty happy with that (the walking, not necessarily the job). Now I work at home but have to drive the kids to school ~30 minutes one-way and it's hell. I hate driving in rush hours and the public transport is even worse. If I had to do that and commute 1h to the workplace, I'd be a wreck.
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eu employment statistics are catastrophic, and the future prospects are not better. nowadays even having a plan b is not enough to make you be or feel covered, there is also the need of a plan c, d ,e...
tbh the only certainty we children of liberal democracy have concerning occupation is a perennial state of uncertainty that will (AT BEST) accompany us throughout our entire life. with this premise, tbh i would keep the shit out of that job and hold it tight while i keep my eyes wide open to predispose thing in order to have a grip to hold on to in case something does not go as planned. this is the biggest concern to me. if i want to climb up the social ladder i will bear in mind the risks that this inevitably involves. if the potencial gain justify the possible loss and im bold enough, and more importantly, if i fall i fall on my feet, then would definitely go for it. considering the context you have described there seems to be a lot to lose, the gain comes at the cost of time, thus resources. plus there is no recall to a secondary plan of any kind, so if the main one goes bad i would find myself empty handed. if this is the case i would not go for it.
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I'd go for it. And sure there's a risk but there's always risks in everything. Current job might not be here a year from now if the company goes under or decides they don't need you. You'll be left with regret.
It's not an easy choice but we spend way too much time working in our lives so might as well be something you really want
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Well the company has been around awhile and they are financially doing good (why they needed people like me) but yeah if they ever get less clients then the people like me can be put on the sideline for who knows how long, being a flex worker (which is quite common these days).
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Because me and a few others almost got fired already after 1 month (by the direction who never even saw us), the guidance is a bit lacking, sometimes they just let me do stuff (as in show something once and they let me go on unsupervised).
All things i never done before in my life (cutting electrical wires, installing them, preparing the cabinets for it).
I addressed i would fit better in other places at that company but they want to keep me in a place i don't think i might be good at, as it's sometimes precision work, and i do sometimes break something by accident (which anyone would have if they are new but shouldn't happen too often), the work spaces are packed with boxes and stuff but also the organizational structure is chaotic. i am also having sleep issues which makes me a bit slower, while my supervisor has a very fast tempo.
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Yeah and layers of people, all busy with their own work, afraid they will get blamed for stuff you might do wrong, or feel the pressure from above them, and being at the bottom you will take the most heat.
This morning a colleague told me to go to the chef, and i was afraid of some bad news again, but it was about me having to work for someone else now, the other supervisor didn't want to work with me anymore. But it does mean i have to do simpler stuff with no idea if they allow me to learn stuff eventually there.
When i told him about that i was afraid he would come with bad news, he said why? there is plenty of work, but still he wants to talk with me at the end of the month, in all it makes it very insecure again atm.
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Don't let it make you insecure, man. Just keep your head down, do the simpler work and apply yourself, Maybe you can use some of your lunch time watching more experienced people work?
If you show them you are a good worker who is willing to learn and was just in over his head in the other position, they can't waste you.
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So you got a job, it's stable as in you have one (though not really sure you can keep it) but it's in your own town, no travel cost/time. On the other hand you are looking at a job that might be more in your alley, but takes 45-60 minutes travelling, and suppose that job there doesn't go right and you could be left with nothing. Keep in mind you are in a position where jobs aren't really up for grabs much for you, what would you do?
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