Your favourite Miyazaki film/work?
This man should be working for the resident evil franchise
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I honestly wonder what they expected would happen. Hayao Miyazaki's films are a celebration of life, and the best they can say to defend their computer's work is "maybe this would be useful for a zombie". This video is a great lesson in knowing your audience when you make a presentation. Capcom's Resident Evil guys might have been thrilled to see this same demo. Miyazaki? He's probably offended that they consider it animation at all.
As far as his films go, I think Porco Rosso is quite underrated compared to his other work. I rarely even see people bring it up, but it's my favorite. Not the most technically impressive or the most amazing, but the one I remember the most fondly. It has a tighter focus than a lot of his other work. Instead of taking time to set up a normal world and character and then introducing them to something extraordinary, Porco Rosso tells a story about an unusual person living in his normal world. It lets the protagonist have more depth, and I think the story is more memorable because of it.
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I have never even heard of that movie before. Looks like I found something for a wonderful evening. Thank you!
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I tried to say something like this, but you said it in a much more elegant way. These are exactly my thoughts!
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts on Porco Rosso, that definitely sounds quite appealing. Considering how I find, for instance, Spirited Away an interesting tour through novel worlds with curious characters, but is a bit too much on the fantastical side for my liking.
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Now that was interesting to read/watch, thank you very much for the link, engine. The facial expressions of those poor lads...
Can't help to share Miyazaki's point of view though. If you're anywhere near familiar with his work you will immediately get why he says what he says. I'm not into anime myself, most if it I despise totally, but the Ghibli films are on another level and I don't consider them anime at all. They are art. Wonderful tales beauifully woven, expressing deepest themes of humankind, soul and heart touching. They are well worth a watch. I've rarely seen more interesting characters in movies altogether, and I'm not exaggerating. They are among my favourite movies of all time, the most outstanding one being Princes Mononoke. If you start there you will want to see them all. And they are well worth it.
Telling this legend their goal is to develop a machine that draws like a human, especially after showing him the creepy figure beforehand, is an insult to the man.
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I think it's possible to present this technology to him in a way that he could appreciate. They just didn't.
For example, you let the simulation run much longer. Virtual months, or even years. You show the twitching on the floor and insane attempts to crawl. But then you show improvement. You show a computer taking this unfamiliar mess of body parts and learning to stand. Learning to walk. Learning to run. You show it climbing a mountain. You show a computer learning through the process of living. You show hope. Those are themes that Miyazaki can understand and respect, even if he doesn't agree with the technique.
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That's an interesting take on presenting the tech. But it requires thought and consideration beyond what these guys were apparently capable of. That's what I find so jarring here, and when confronted with Miyazaki's searing reaction, they sheepishly admit that they didn't really mean anything by it. Then why do it in the first place? Apparently their end goal is to design a machine that could draw like a human, but it's hard to see how this (by their own admission) vapid experiment would fit in the big picture.
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts on Miyazaki's work. I wouldn't go so far as saying that I despise anime, but granted, most of it simply doesn't appeal to me much, a lot of what I've seen I find tedious and of little value. I'm aware of how revered Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli are, however, and that they occupy a unique place in this world. I have yet to see Princess Mononoke in its entirety, but I look forward to it.
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That's actually a pretty neat idea. The monster looks pretty interesting/disturbing and i could picture it in a Silent Hill like game.
Pretty sure those guys picked the wrong person to show their work to.
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I strongly feel that this is an insult to life itself.
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HARDEST. POLL. EVER.
Had to go for Totoro in the end, naturally, but HOW DARE YOU MAKE ME CHOOSE?!!!
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Heh. Feel free to list your runner ups, or rank them or whatever you like!
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Miyazaki reminds me of Steve Ditko. Both have made plenty in their respective artistic fields, both are famous for not being pleasant people to be around, and both are way, way too much stuck in the time they learnt their trade. Miyazaki will justly be remembered as one of the greatest anime directors, but a good part of it will be his eccentric uniqueness.
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SENSATIONAL!!
Assuming that is an actual quote, I wonder in what context he made that remark 🤔
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It was one of his long-winded speeches in an interview. Many of these boil down to essentially "if it is modern, it is bad". I wish i could find the interview. It was made around the release of The Wind Rises.
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I found this video that puts the (mis-)quote (actually) into context. Was an interesting watch.
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I voted for Howl's moving castle initially but then saw castle in the sky had 0 votes and changed my mind.
castle in the sky was a beautiful story
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The article I linked is a few days old, and the video within dates from last November (on Youtube at least). Is it actually older than that? (I have no idea).
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How is an algorithm written to produce different ways of moving an "insult to life itself"?
I touched on it in the main post, but yeah, it's probably a stretch to call an algorithm by itself an "insult to life itself", especially one that is so devoid of meaning or intent (as stated by the creators), much less a nefarious one. But what I find interesting is how we as human beings are wired to perceive the outcome and imbue it with meaning, which is often very personal and can produce a strong emotional response. Miyazaki prefaces his critique by mentioning his disabled friend and this says a lot about how he values life and nature and the things they provide us that we may often take for granted. For the creators, this was a cool and novel way to apply some cool tech, but to him, the very thoughtlessness and lack of care they demonstrated signified something of a sacrilege. I think that is an interesting reaction, and I hope the guys didn't take it too hard but that this gave them pause to further consider and reflect on their intentions and implications.
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Miyazaki has a tremendous reputation as a animator and artist and a following to match, so a lot of people, obviously. I'm not even a fan, but I still think his reaction is interesting for reasons I outlined above.
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He was presented the work and asked for his opinion, though. His reaction was so strong because he clearly took offense. The guys who made that stuff weren't out to offend, but they didn't really demonstrate much consideration beyond the surface fascination with the tech either (which taken by itself could be interesting, depending on the application). Miyazaki seemed to perceive the naivete of the creators as negligence or lack of empathy. In his view, the people who had worked on that stuff weren't innocent, and that is what I find interesting.
EDIT: Oh, looks like you deleted your comments. Well, I thought it was an interesting take and a different perspective to the one outlined in the article I linked, for example, so I appreciated your sentiment.
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man, they both introduce it to the wrong man , and in a wrong way. Introduce it to a game producer as a simple way to reduce the work for menial task like basic animation (running , walking,...etc) and focus their REAL work on other stuff require the mind and idea of human is all good and well, but tell a master like Miyazaki about the idea that use AI create everything on it own,,, is the worst idea you can get
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I honestly don't know what they expected. If you watch one or two of Miyazaki's movies, you would easily get a grasp of his views on humanity, nature, beauty and harmony. He is known for creating realistic characters with flaws, ambitions and feelings. Even the way these characters overcome challenges they face is in such a human way. His criticism with modern day anime is just about that as well. He thinks modern anime artists don't care about giving a real message when they produce their art and their one-dimensional characters act in such unnatural ways(all that onee chan and senpai stuff).
Now if you go to him and show him a grotesque animation which isn't aesthetically pleasing at all, tell him you will use it in an art medium and tell him you will make a software which will make humans obsolete at animation; he will take it personally and act agressive towards you. This is like going to a vegan convention while being dressed like a butcher.
It would be a better idea to show this animation to Hidetaka Miyazaki instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52raDbtNpa4
I really like this video and highly recommend watching it if you want to learn more about Hayao Miyazaki and his work.
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They should use it for a zombie game and put his quote on the box.
"9/10. A masterpiece." --IGN
"An important step forwards in zombie animation." --Rock Paper Shotgun
"An insult to life itself." --Hayao Miyazaki
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The article and video title made it sound like he was addressing AI in general, when he was talking about a particular AI...
The technology is interesting, though I don't understand why those guys haven't used some less disgusting textures if all they wanted to demonstrate was the movement.
Regarding Miyazaki's work, I think Princess Momonoke was my favorite. Great movie. :) I've seen a few of the others too and they were all beautiful.
Knowing what he creates makes his opinion on the subject more understandable.
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http://www.openculture.com/2017/03/hayao-miyazaki-tells-video-game-makers-what-he-thinks-of-their-characters-made-with-artificial-intelligence.html
Well, that didn't turn out well. It's interesting how something that is in essence devoid of any meaning is capable of producing such strong reactions. I'm guessing the creators were essentially just fooling around with their shiny tech and whatever their algorithms spat out, our human brains interpret as foreign and grotesque. I can see how Miyazaki, a staunch traditionalist who draws everything by hand (as far as I know) would be offended by it. It's probably fair to say that he wasn't the ideal recipient for this demonstration, but his response is interesting, and for lack of a better term, a reminder of the importance of the human element in these rapidly changing times. What do you think?
I haven't seen much of Miyazaki's work tbh, I appreciate what I've seen, but I'm not really familiar with anime in general so don't have strong opinions on it one way or the other. The poll is there because I am interested in what people pick and have to say though, so feel free to elaborate on your choice.
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