Derp, pressed enter during in the title bar.

I feel incredibly stupid for asking, but I need help on this problem:

x/(4-x)<3
The solution is x>4 and x<3.
My question is, how do I get to x>4? Can someone show me the steps, because my mind is blanking.

Thanks...

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wha grade are you in?

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I see madface x/, angry cyborg? (4-x), and a heart <3

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This

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Thanks for Everyday Genius: SquareLogic! Was a tough puzzle.

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this is very easy, i can do it on a paper and take a picture for you but right now it's late and i'm lying on my bed. Sorry.

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Could you simply write it out in text?

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If nobody do it in 1 or 2 hours, i'll make it on paper scan ane send you.
Now i'm on the way to work

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Can't you just say the solution is x =/= 4?

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No....

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nope
3.5 does not meet requirements

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Thanks for Skyrim.

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Do not say thanks for . . . the nozzle.

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If the number on the bottom is greater than 4 it will result in a negative number on the bottom. Divide a positive by a negative and you get a negative, and we all know a negative number is less than 3. That is how x>4 is an answer too. Watch out for divisions in these problems.

After multiple fast edits, decided to cut everything out but this. Hope I helped.

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^ this

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I understand that, but I need to solve for x.

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Since this was kinda ignored...

Here you go:

x(4 + x)/((4 - x)(4 + x)) < 3

(4x + x^2)/(16 - x^2) < 3

4x + x^2 < 3(16 - x^2)

4x + x^2 < 48 - 3x^2

4x^2 + 4x - 48 < 0

4(x^2 + x - 12) < 0

x^2 + x - 12 < 0

(x + 4)(x - 3) < 0

Therefore, x > 4 or x < 3.

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Your answer implies that x > 3 and x > -4.

You messed up from
(4x + x^2)/(16 - x^2) < 3
to
4x + x^2/3(16 - x^2)

you don't divide both sides by 3, you have to subtract both sides by 3

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I didn't divide it. I multiplied (16 - x^2) with 3.

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NEVERMIND. I am right.

When you divide by a negative, it reverses the inequality sign, so...

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At any step your inequality should be true then with a true value of the original. Use 5, greater than 4 so it should be true, (5+4)(5-3)<0 == 9*2<0 == 18 < 0

:x

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Factoring makes me rage so fucking hard.

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You don't even have to factor any polynomials in this one. Highest degree for x is only 1.

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Personally, I don't think you can SOLVE for x>4, it is more or less proven due to the fact that 4 just makes you divide by 0 and examples that anything greater than 4 works.

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I got a terrible infection when I was 14 and had to have my math gland removed.

Tragic, really.

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This is what confuses me,

x(4 + x)/((4 - x)(4 + x)) < 3

(4x + x^2)/(16 - x^2) < 3

How does x(4 + x)/

Become 4x+ x^2 ?

Is it becomes 4x?+ x = x2 on one side? where the main X is ?

<-- noob in math

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Not entirely sure what you mean by that last bit.

x(4 + x)

x 4 = 4x
+
x
x = x^2

x(4 + x) = 4x + x^2

Not sure I can explain this bit any more simply, unless it is something else you are confused about.

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clicky
Meh, I need a tablet

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I appreciate that, but it doesn't really isolate x. You just created a new equation and plugged in values, something which I could have done with the original equation.

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Haven't done this in years, so, sorry >_<

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Almost good

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SteamGifts.com: "Where you can find kind people to give you free games, and tutors for that homework you put for the last minute".

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True Story....

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+1

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That's the solution, bro, but not the "way" of it. It doesn't show how it got to that answer algebraically.

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ah you're right. wolframalpha were better for ages :-/

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As long as the answer is right, the process must have been right.

I say draw a dishwasher.

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Just checked your steam profile.
Damned!!!
How old are you? Most of your games are ESRB "M for mature" or PEGI "18+".
You has such homework in you University?
facepalm.jpg

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would love such a university!

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;)

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sorry but isn't the question middle school level?!

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Yes, it is, in my opinion.

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You guys haven't even solved the question...

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okay, first attempt was a fail, complete version in reply:

multiply both sides by (x^2-8x+16), if you factor out a negative of (4-x) it's -(x-4), so I got (-x)(x-4)<3x^2-24x+48. from here bring everything over to the right, you now have 0<4x^2-28x+48, now factor out a 4 and divide it to the left side (essentially getting rid of it), and factor the trinomial into: 0<(x-3)(x-4). again i haven't done anything after that but you can prove from here that it will only be true if both binomials equate to positve or negative, both are positive when x is greater than 4, and both are negative when x is less than 3

Sorry keep on deleting, but i think it was a false alarm...

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alternately you really just need to find the 0s, since the graph of the x^2-7x+12 shows where the values are true and aren't true, since it's the trinomial is greater than 0, true values are above the x-axis, false values on or below the x-axis, thus the range of x values that make the inequality true are those above the x-axis being <3 and >4

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x/(4-x)<3

(x-4)^2 x/(4-x) < 3 (x-4)^2

(x-4)^2 -x/(x-4) < 3 (x-4)^2

-x (x-4) < 3 (x^2 - 8x + 16)

-x^2 + 4x < 3x^2 - 24x + 48

4x < 4x^2 - 24x + 48

0 < 4x^2 - 28x + 48

0 < 4 (x^2 - 7x + 12)

0 < x^2 - 7x + 12

0 < (x-4)(x-3)

true if:

(x-4)>0 and (x-3)>0

in this case, true only if x>4

or if:

(x-4)<0 and (x-3)<0

in this case, true only if x<3

the less wordy version of what i said

or if you view it the alternative way:

a=1

b=-7

c=12

z=(7+/-sqrt(49-48))/2

z=(7+/-1)/2

z=8/2,6/2

z=4,3

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It really really really does not have to be that complicated.

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I did mine algebraically without picking numbers to subs in, so meh

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So one way you get x>3 and the other you get x<3? Where does the x>4 come in? All you did was point an arrow at it...

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OMFG!
You are really sooooo sloooow poke.
Wait few minutes.

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So if it's simultaneously two answers at once, how do you get to the total..?

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If something should be bigger than 3 and bigger than 4 same time, we may ignore "bigger than 3" cause if something meet "bigger than 4" requirements it will meet "bigger than 3", isn't it?
So, we use only "bigger than 4".
Sorry, my math is much better than my english.

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I may be able to pull this off and get a good mark on it. Thanks.

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You'll eventually find out that it's possible to have both as answers.
It could also be written as (-∞, 3) U (4, ∞), which basically means all real numbers except every number between 3 and 4

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Yeah.

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x/(4-x)<3

x/(4-x)-3<0

x/(4-x)-3(4-x)/(4-x)<0

(x-3(4-x))/(4-x)<0

(4x-12)/(4-x)<0

(4x-12)(1/(4-x))<0

4x-12<0 AND 1/(4-x)<0

4x-12<0 AND (1/(4-x))(4-x)^2<0*(4-x)^2

4x<12 AND 4-x<0

x<3 AND x>4

Q.E.D.

It's amazing what a good night's sleep can do for your math skills.

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4x-12<0 AND 1/(4-x)<0
4x-12<0 AND 4-x>0
That is an error.

( 1/(4-x) < 0 ) =/= ( 4-x > 0 )

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Incorrect. 4-x is the multiplicative inverse (reciprocal) of 1/(4-x), just as 3 is the reciprocal of 1/3. When multiplied together, they give 1. When applying the multiplicative or additive inverse to both sides of an inequality, it reverses the sign.

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I posit the following:
1/(4-5) < 0 Correct
4-5 > 0 Incorrect

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Hmm . . . I hope you're onto something, because then everything would work out quite nicely. I'll be thinking about it.

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Monukai posted the solution before I got here. It is all correct.

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I just took a close look at it, and he does indeed have a correct solution. Bravo! That said, if I could figure out exactly where I've gone wrong, I feel like I'm on the verge of having a more elegant solution (in my opinion, of course; in mathematics, as in everything else, when it comes to aesthetics, your mileage may vary).

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Once you're at the (4x-12)(1/(4-x))<0, you can write that as a fraction: (4x-12)/(4-x)<0. In order for a fraction to be negative, one of the following must be true: (top > 0 and bottom < 0) or (top < 0 and bottom > 0). So (4x-12 > 0 and 4-x < 0) or (4x-12 < 0 and 4-x > 0). If you solve those, you get (x < 3 and x < 4) or (x > 3 and x > 4). You can then simplify this to (x < 3) or (x > 4).

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FUCK ME! I DIVIDED BY ZERO!

1/(4-x)<0

1/(1/(4-x))>1/0 <---NO

Correct solution will be edited into my original post shortly.

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Thank you very much for this thread. It makes me appreciate not having to study anything that involves math anymore so. much. more.

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So much fail in this thread, it hurts my brain.

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  1. www.wolframalpha.com
  2. enter the problem
  3. ???
  4. bacon. or possibly the solution
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wolfram alpha sucks ass now. Ever since they've introduced the pro features, it's no longer as useful as it was, especially when you wan them to show you the steps to the solution....unless you buy their "pro" subscription.

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He wasn't asking for the solution, he was asking for the steps to reach the solution. He posted the solution in the OP.

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I'm a bit stupid too, you're not alone anymore!

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Oh!!!!
I broke my neck!

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fixed

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Made no sense to me whatever, I'm actually interested in the answer now ;) Anyone dumb it down?

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When he turns "4x - 12" into "4 . (x - 3)" he's using the simplification method in order to make achieving the result an easier task. Everything else on the paper is just the way he gave the answer.

Click here for more info on basic algebra simplification methods.

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Simplified and
Other method
Hope it helps.

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Okay: both sides: *(4-x) you have 2 cases: a) (4-x)<0 and b) (4-x)>0. If it's 0, then division through zero => x!=0. If its negative (x>4) the "<" changes to ">". You get x>12-3x. Both sides +3x => 4x>12. This is true for all x>3, but you have to match x>4, so x>4 is one solution. If (4-x) was positive (x<4) you get x<12-3x. both sides +3x => 4x<12 this is true for all x<3.

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You pretty good translated my solution into english words. Thanks

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sorry, i made it myself, didn't saw yours

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i didn't want to say, that you use my solution.
But my english not so good. i post image few hours before, but not able to explain it very clear. Your explanation is very good.

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Thanks, therefore I am studying that crap ^^

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Oh, let me play, too! :D
You obviously can't divide by 0, so 4 is totally out of the picture. The two possible cases are now x > 4 and x < 4. Let's see what happens if we assume x to be larger than 4.

If x > 4, obviously x/(4-x) is negative. Now we multiply the whole thing with (4-x) to remove the denominator. Bur remember that 4-x is negative! We have to invert the inequality sign so we get x(4-x)/(4-x) > 3(4-x).
Divide 4-x by 4-x and you are left with x > 12-3x. Add 3x:
4x > 12
Now divide by 4 and you have your solution: x > 3.
Now remember that we said that this should be the calculation for every x that is bigger than 4. Now we know that every x that is greater than 4 solves as long as it also bigger than 3. That means our solution for this case is "Every x that is simultaneously bigger than 3 and bigger than 4".
I don't think I need to explain that every x that i bigger than 4 is always bigger than 3 and that an x between 3 and 4 is NEVER bigger than 4. So we disregard the x > 3 and the final answer for this one case is x > 4.

You said you solved the other case yourself, so that all fine and dandy. I tried to stay away from mathematical language in the hopes of being more accessible ;)

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I wish the math problems I face now were this simple...

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Yep; that's what happens when you go into engineering. Hell, I wish the math I did was as simple as AP calculus was...

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Thanks guys. I'll be sure to come here if I have any more math questions in the coming years.

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