Hi guys. I want to create a GA of a key I dont remember if it's used or not

I am pretty sure is not, but I cant verify it because I already own the game (when I tried to activate the GA on my account, steam says I already own the game not that the key is already used, so I hope it's fine)

However, what happen if I create the GA and and I am forced to delete it after ending because of this issue?

Thanks in advance!

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If the GA has ended you need the winners permission to delete it so in the worst case you might get an asshole who insists on getting his game.
If you already own the game Steam will tell you that you already have it even if the key is already used.
The best way to go about it is making a WL GA with a couple of people you trust (that they will agree to delete if the key is a dupe).

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there is nothing assholeish about insisting that a valid cd-key is provided to the winner of the GA. The whole conversation below is based on me suggesting that the asshole (IF THERE EVEN HAS TO BE ONE) is the GA creator who can not guarantee that (s)he will fulfill the GA and provide the winner with a valid key.

7 years ago
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Disagree.you only need a few points and two clicks to enter a GA, it's free. The creator spends the key. Whining about it makes you an asshole. He could also explain it in the description, making you or whoever an even bigger asshole.

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I was wondering if I should point this out again as it is relevant:
This discussion IS about GAs that have a warning in the description that the key might turn out dupe.
If there was no warning the situation would be entirely different.

7 years ago
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If you cannot provide a valid copy of the game to the winner of the GA then don't make the GA - it's literally that simple.

7 years ago
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Less gifts given thanks to zero tolerance from unnecessarily intolerant people.
"Oh but then everybody would do this!" There could be a simple rule on the frequency this is allowed if that were ever an issue.

It doesn't make the whiner any less of an asshole.
It's simple, but whining assholes make it hard to even talk about it. Nobody loses on anything

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So basically, you're an asshole if you demand something that you rightfully won?

7 years ago
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How can you define a GA creator an asshole if he clearly states some rules and asks to agree with them before entry. The simple solution is: NO agreement NO entry.

I admit it could be assholish if he doesnt declare anything and then he discovers the key doesnt work. In that case he should find a solution and the winner has right to claim his game.

I dont understand why these concepts are so hard to understand, and the discussion was clearly focused on this. So commenting on a single word disregarding the whole topic is something not really clear to me (and even I dont understand why to BL someone that only expresses his opinion on this :((()

7 years ago
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If you want to delete a giveaway after it has ended, you can only do so with the agreement of the winner.

Technically the winner can "demand" you to deliver the game as he/she won it.
So you can't make the decission on your own once the giveaway has ended.

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Well, you can mention this in the giveaway description and ask the people who enter to agree to a deletion of giveaway if the key turns out to be not working. In a worst case scenario, the winner doesn't agree and you have to buy another copy of the game for him.

Safe way to do this, when it comes to those kind of keys whether you're not sure if its activated, is to drop them on the Orphan key drop thread and let someone grab it. Unless you care about the CV that much

7 years ago
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Thanks guys. so because of some assholes someone that didnt carefully read the rules and or advice from the GA creator, I will admit only ppl from my groups and my whitelist ;)

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just be sure people who enter agree to delete if it doesn't work.

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or force them to buy it O/

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I would like to attend the GA, knowing it might not work. Makes it almost more exiting.

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I would appreciate entering - If it's used already I won't get bent out of shape :P

7 years ago
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I'd be interested and if the key turns out dupe you have my word as a pureblood Corgi I'm ok with deleting it.

7 years ago
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me too:)

7 years ago
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i would like to join aswell,hit me up if you want.

7 years ago
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I'm in. Awesome!!

7 years ago
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I would like to try it out

7 years ago
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Ditto.... I'd be happy to just have the chance to try and win..... no biggie if thge key doesn't work since you told us upfront and it's just an honest mistake.

7 years ago
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wow this is quite the topic here.... so someone who wins a GA and then wants a valid cd-key to claim their win is an "asshole"? LOL. That is good stuff right there.

I would say that the asshole (if there even has to be an asshole) is the guy who makes the GA, puts up an invalid key, and then requests to delete the GA because he didn't actually have a key for the GA that he created. That person sounds more like a turd furgesson than the winner asking for a valid key.

But I digress because the only reason the OP wants to make this questionable GA is for the CV. If the guy actually wanted to give the key away - then he would just randomly place it on the forums for someone to find and activate.

7 years ago
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I understood that if the giveaway is deleted - then so is the CV - am I wrong on that point? just curious - as if so, then not sure that the 'only reason the OP wants to make this questionable GA is for the CV' is valid ! - let me know though, as I am curious about this :P

7 years ago
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let me ask you a very simple question - If I place a game CD-Key here on this forum topic, what do I as the giver receive? Nothing. If I place that same CD-Key into a GA here, what do I as the giver receive? CV.

7 years ago
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So OP has to give it away without any benefit just because he's unorganized ?
If the key turns out to be ok everybody is happy and OP gets his CV.
If it turns out dupe he doesn't get CV and the GA get's deleted. I don't see a big problem with that.

7 years ago
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Ok so if I download a random cd-key generator and make a bunch of GA's where it turns out the key's dont work, I need to request a bunch of GA deletions - no problem here huh?

7 years ago
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Obviously not. I do not endorse theft or piracy.

7 years ago
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I'm not going to tell you the random keys generated are done by a generator I'm just going to tell you in the GA that they 'may or may not work' - just like the premise of this forum topic.... which you seem to support... so why don't you support my cd-key generator?

7 years ago
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Well if fake keys from key generator become a widespread problem here on SG I might change my stance. So far I have only seen this way of giving away stuff used in a more or less responsible way. But I'm not sure why we are making a big deal about this while fake GA to promote groups go unpunished.

7 years ago
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that would also mean you would lose a slot for doing that each time and would ultimately fall foul of the moderators with your repeated transgressions - so no

7 years ago
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me neither - as the op is being open and honest and asking people if they want to join - which I though hey - okay, I don't mind, as if all has to be deleted he gets no CV, or so I believe, and he may lose a giveaway slot, so I thought that this was fair - I have made mistakes before now in my giveaways after all - seems fair - or am I being dense here?

7 years ago
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errr - sorry - I don't see an answer to my question - all you did was ask me a question? - am I missing something - can others perhaps help with answering this question - as I think it is valid, if the person makes the giveaway, and gets CV fine - that is what people do - if they find out it is not valid and delete the giveaway, then I was under the impression that the CV is removed - so as the giver, if deleted, then no he would not receive CV (as stated) - but I could be wrong - others know more than me; hence me asking the ?

7 years ago
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I personally prefer giveaways to keydrops because I know who wins it, and it's about entering and randomizing, not just being the fastest. Just because CV is in the picture, not everyone's goal is to gain more :)

7 years ago
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I would suggest that a random keydrop also has just as much randomizing to it.

7 years ago
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I agree - so many of my key drops go to ninjas who were too rude to even say thanks - and that irks me :)

7 years ago
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My thoughts exactly.

7 years ago
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You have to understand where people are coming from here: This has been tried plenty of times with public GAs with a warning in the description and normally people ignore the description as usual and then demand to get their game.

It's the same thing as people not very familiar with this site make public GA with description "Can only be activated _____" and then people from all around the world ignore it and enter nontheless. I don't look very kindly at those neither.

If there wasn't a warning about he the key being potentially dupe in the description the situation would be an entirely different one of course.

7 years ago
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region locks and 'I might have given the key away already and if I did I have no intent to complete the GA' are two ENTIRELY NOT EVEN REMOTELY COMPARABLE situations

7 years ago
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Despite the fact that I have agreed to a deletion in the past not agreeing to it does not automatically make someone an asshole. If you cannot be sure that a key can be activated or not you should either just gift it to someone or drop it somewhere, not put conditions on a giveaway.

7 years ago
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This 1 million times over and 1 million times again.

7 years ago
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Well I disagree. If the alternative is making no GA at all I prefer having a GA with some restrictions here on SG.
The GA creator is allowed to restrict their GAs in any way they want anyway. Yes I'm aware that custom rules are no longer a thing but there is still SG Tools or inviting everybody who meets certain criteria to a group which might be more work but achieves the same thing.

7 years ago
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No one is forcing this person to make a GA. If he is UNSURE if his key is valid or not (for whatever reason) then he should not make a GA. If he does make a GA then he should be prepared to follow through with the GA and provide a valid key to the winner even if that means he has to go trade or purchase a copy (I would say 'another copy' but we don't know that he owns a copy to begin with).

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In an ideal world yes but

If the alternative is making no GA at all

7 years ago
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I could go make a fake GA right now and then have it deleted after the fact - does its temporary existence provide some type of benefit that makes you feel it is a better alternative than not making a fake GA?

7 years ago
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I think now you're arguing for the sake of arguing... Of course if the GA is fake and the creator knows it there is no benefit to this site and no use making it. However this is not what this thread is about. You're just focusing about the potential abuse.

7 years ago
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agreed - especially as we cannot know 100% if any of the keys we have are genuine (steam does not have a key checker - so all keys have the potential to be eroneous) - I once did a giveaway where the code was found to be incorrect - not my fault - all sorted not a problem - I made the giveaway in good faith and indigala got the code wrong, but I could not know that before I made the giveaway; so....

7 years ago
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and upon notification that the key didn't work did you either a) delete the GA or b) contact the vendor and then provide the correct key to the winner? Did the key mistake make you delete or did you fulfill the GA?

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I believe I deleted with consent (but it was some time ago now) - I just know that I could not supply a correct key for 12 days (I had no funds to purchase a new key and support were going to take 2 weeks to deal with it - thus beyond the 7 day window on SG). In this instance the politeness and kindness of the user prevented issues arising - which is just how I would hope most SG users would be - kind, polite, and understanding - but I could be wrong with that world view

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I also did one where I made a mistake and put the key in the wrong giveaway - that meant that the winner of each giveaway got the wrong game - that was a pain, as one of the winners did not contact me about the error !!! - I believe I did supply correct keys on that one - plus the winner of each one got a free game - so I guess they won double there - but I had spare keys that time - otherwise I would have asked if they would mind deleting and just accepting the incorrect received keys as my apology for the mistake - we are, afterall, all human are we not? And mistakes are made !

7 years ago
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Yes. Because there is a chance to make someone happier if it works. Stop being so negative and yelling in all caps - not everyone comes to SG to farm CV and be a dickhead. All your posts assume that the person who makes "not sure if used or not" is trying to cheat the system without even a second think about maybe not everyone is a jerk.
And while noone can set up *real* rules on giveaways, they can tell, or ask nicely that only germans enter (happened because region lock, and SG didn't have german region) or key is not 100% working, so please accept it, dear winner.
Why do you think that giving a not-100% working key for people who accept the fact that it may not working is worse, than someone ignoring the GA creator's description? It's not really more than common courtesy, that if someone's straight and upfront about possible problems that cause no harm, one doesn't start bitching around.

7 years ago
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Adam, if you have no intention of honoring a GA that you willingly created then you should not create the GA. I am sorry, but I do not feel that a description of 'I wrote this key down on a piece of paper 25 years ago and it may or may not still be valid today - if it is valid then you win and if it isn't then I delete the GA' does not make the GA, that you have no intentions of fulfilling, a real valid GA. Feel free to disagree.

7 years ago
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Got a little long, sorry. I wanted to be clear on my point, and not to feel judgemental or strict just for the sake of keeping short :)
I personally never did it, because for me easier to find a friend who wants the game and give them to try if it works - but on the other hand seen giveaways who said potentially not working key, either delete or contact creator to sort it out. Sometimes I joined, sometimes I didn't because it didn't worth the hassle.
But regarding this I've seen your relatively new, so some think that occured in the past.
Groupees had a Gemini: Heroes Reborn in a bundle, which was unavailable in germany. ROW copies on SG, everyone enters. Later they got germany-only keys as well for each buyer, which can be only activated in germany - sometimes there are weirder region locks that has no listing in SG, or local bans making it harder, people usually write that in description. Yet people joined the germany-only giveaways, and some was flaming afterwards that they don't care.
Another time giveaway had a key that was possibly not working, but creator wrote that he has 2 keys, one not working but he can't remember which one, contact him if there's a problem he will gave the another, working one then. Winner won, didn't work, refused to accept the second key (for the same game!) because he was adamant that the creator did that as a fake, and wanted to get him suspended.
There are some people on SG who wants to cause harm, who would join giveaways like OP wanted just to win it and make problems - not because they respect the rules, but because they can mess with someone. and in my opinion they are 100% assholes. Because if anyone should complain about potentially non active keys is the support, but support has the rule that if the two person agrees on it, they can delete it. From that point it's a legit thing to ask the winner to agree on delete, but he can't be forced and doesn't have to. But at that point, why did he even joined the giveaway, if someone lists the potential risks and you don't like them, you don't go there, simple as that... because of this I think it's the complaining person who's the asshole, not the creator.
But with everything - I seriously wouldn't recommend for anyone to make a (especially low level) public giveaway for a key that's not sure that works, and can't be replaced. Best way to avoid any problem is to avoid anything, and anyone who can cause problems, so giving to smaller group or whitelist is the best solution.
(I had keys for similar games. And I would be lying if I'd say I didn't think about CV - or surely no problem with GA. I always picked the later :)

7 years ago
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yeah - waiting for the first giveaway of a mafia III game purchased from HRK games.com - as they are region locked to europe it seems - and they forgot to put that at the start of selling it - some poor people on steam were very annoyed as they couldn't activate it - but they have added that text now (not sure if it is locked fully, but the text on the site suggests so)

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I am not saying someone caliming its GA is an asshole. I am just saying that if I clearly write my doubts (not sure if the key is still active) and the rules (entry only if agree to delete the ga eventually after ending) and someone asks for it after the GA ending breaking the rule, wll that's an asshole.

Of course I strongly hope that the key works.

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No, that makes you the asshole. When you create a GA it is under the basis that you the creator will fulfill your obligation and provide a valid key. When you do not do that regardless of some garbage 'it may or may not work' disclaimer on your GA - does not make you any less of an asshole when you fail to fulfill the GA.

7 years ago
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please - as much as I appreciate you think the op is wrong - the insults/rudeness is not really nice - there are other words that could be used surely?

otherwise it looks like this went ugly quickly - with lilttle need - but again, perhaps I am just being nicer to the op than you feel like being - not sure what is happening here with the hate

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I didn't bring the 'asshole' label into it, the first 3 posters of the OP did. I said in my response (if there has to be an asshole) then I disagree with who is being called such.

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hmmm - okay - my bad, I simply consider that repeating such words is not required - just cause someone at the start did, doesn't mean you have to follow - but I apologise if repetition of rudeness was not your intention - though it reads that way above

7 years ago
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Ok that's why I will not allow external ppl to join for now (only WL and my group people). People to which I could give something in the future and to which I already gave other games.

Let say that making these GA outside of your friendlist could not be a good idea

7 years ago
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sorry about the rudeness - not sure what the need for that was, but clearly it is something dlo cares alot about - so perhaps creating your own group on steam and discussing such matters there would be better in the future - it would at least allow you to pick who enters and the basis upon which that group agrees to giveaways - seems to work for a lot of the other only group givers on SG

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sorry I just posed the question: what happen if .... since I couldnt find any answers on this topic in any discussion

7 years ago
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yep - not a problem to me - I even wanted to enter - which I hope you saw - but not on your WL - stay strong and happy - and don't let the rudeness rule you :) - have shiny wishes for the day :-)

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this actually was one of the more useful questions asked in the forum, an i personally wouldn´t mind deleting a GA if it turns out the key isn´t working, but we could argue that people can disagree to the deleting of the GA just because rules state that you should provide a working key (but let´s be honest if it was all black and white then there wouldn´t be an option to delete it afterwards ^^).

Sorry you had to deal with some people who just can´t state their opinion in a nice or at least neutral way.

7 years ago
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Hey thanks for the support. I was just trying to receive an answer to a question I couldnt find (usually I dont open thread before looking for an answer by myself) and I am very happy this can be useful for other users.

As the word "asshole" is concerned, being english not my native language read as "people breaking rules clearly stated by the GA creator". So stop to say me I used asshole in its real meaning and read the whole post instead of the individual word in a comment!

7 years ago
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You can just choose to close this thread if you have your answer. It seems this one has fulfilled it's purpose and is now just used for trolling.

I think your question was perfectly fine, hope you don't have any problems with your key!

7 years ago
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There's nothing wrong with testing a key for a giveaway if you state so in the description. This also goes with games that are region locked to a specific country or if you're giving away packs and only want entrants who own less than, let's say, 25% of the pack. If anyone enters without paying attention to the disclaimer in the description and request the game after winning, they're obviously the assholes.

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why must you compare region lock GA's (that the standard SG region lock options do not cover) and bundled/pack GA's with 'I want to test a cd-key?'

They are not REMOTELY even close to the same thing. How you can just throw them around together in the same paragraph and lump them all into the same conclusion is ridiculous.

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It's exactly the same thing, because it's a key that might not work for the winner. Why are you so butthurt about someone who wants to give away a game for free?

7 years ago
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no, its not even close to the same thing - because a region lock makes the key not work for maybe 10% of the entrants based on location. Testing a key makes it not work for 100% of the entrants based on the key not being valid.

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Still doesn't change things. Someone is trying to give away a game for free. They won't gain anything if the key is invalid. In fact, they are risking having a not received mark on their profile. And they're the asshole? Okay, whatever.

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I would say that the asshole (if there even has to be an asshole) is the guy who makes the GA.

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that's your mistake to answer to my whole thread commenting only a single word.

So, Let's define assholes (as I intended) as: "people that didnt carefully read the GA creator rules and/or advices, or -even if he did- he broke these rules".

We could think these kind of a GAs as an agreement: enter the GA only if you agree with what I wrote in the description (allow me to eventually close it if unfortunately the key doenst work). Of course I am confident the key works otherwise I wouldnt create the GA, anyway I cant guarantee because it's a year-old key that I found in my old stuff.

I dont accept that people claiming the game if something goes wrong after reading this. Am I wrong? If yes, why?

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Yeah, making it for wl is the best choice IMO

7 years ago
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I'd be happy to participate on those terms, and I don't think it makes you an asshole since you stated the terms upfront and are only restricting it to whitelist.

7 years ago
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damn, the police arrived.

7 years ago
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yeah - I think I got tagged quickly in this one - perhaps was trying to be too nice it seems - and I had such a good start to the day :(

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we will find you... no matter the circumstances!

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won a GA once and the creator gave me a used key. they then tried giving me with a different key worth 1$, game i won was worth 20. i said no and thy deleted the giveaway. i still have screen shot of it and an open report

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why is being an asshole if you are unable to provide a key?

I mean, just mark as "not received" but that doesn't make anyone an asshole.

7 years ago
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OP makes a question and it quickly turns into a blacklist fight.

7 years ago
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well I didn't blacklist anyone - but then I am trying to have a good day :)

7 years ago
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I bet at least one person that's involved in the "asshole fight ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)" blacklisted the other ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Me neither. I don't even blacklist people.

7 years ago
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so sad. Anyway. I hope the question will be useful to someone else as well

7 years ago
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Closed 7 years ago by ghoulagogo.