It's more about them trying to justify it to themselves. They want to victimize themselves. Can't have it on their conscience that they are doing something they shouldn't.
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There is a lot of inflation in games. I don't mind piracy long as it's used to demo a game. If you intend to purchase later, then it's totally worth the investment. I'm not complaining about it because technically it's an opportunity for a business to make more customers. I hate when a business looks at piracy as loss sales because statistically it's incorrect and on the side, often people pirate games they already own because the need a light-ware copy to through on something. I'd say about 20% of the pirates are actually thieves. 80% have legitimate moralistic reasons to their action. Whether it'd be demoing(try-before-buy), downloading a light-ware version of an owned game, or something similar. Those who pirate something they don't own, or even try peddling it for cash are morally wrong. Anyways, not saying that I pirate but if I did it would to be a future customer of that product.
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Pirating is okay as long as it is not an honest lost sale.
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How does that work? If you play it then it's a lost sale, no "I wouldn't have bought it anyway" crap. If you play it, you're doing the same thing that everyone else is paying for, just immoraly and illegally...
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If you're pirating it then there's allways a chance you won't buy the game (otherwise why would you pirate it?) So even if you do somtimes buy the game after pirating it, there will allways be times that you don't.
See the logic?
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It's not a lost sale. There are games that I pirated years ago, and I bought them just recently, without intent to play them. There are games (barely a few though) that I pirated recently, just to see what the hype is all about. I didn't like them, I wouldn't buy them even on 75% off sale.
On the other hand; music. Half of stuff I listen to, I first heard by pirating. Some of the bands I don't listen to at all anymore, some of the bands I sometimes listen (pirated), and the rest of the bands I support by buying their CDs and merch.
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People who grab warez releases will always use 20+ years old excuses on why they steal software, yeah I am sure they will cry out "but its copyright infringement not theft!".. They don't understand the big picture, they may do it, but they are not unique they are the same of 100s of thousands if not millions of people who grab warez copies of games etc.
And they wonder why the PC market will dwindle as Developers are pretty much fed up releasing to the PC market, eventually it will dry up and they will only develop and release onto consoles.
Lets check out the years old excuses and why they are pants..
The software is too expensive - Yeah but I bet you have little apps on your PC that costs very little to purchase legally. Lets stop the act, its nothing to do about the cost. People are greedy simple as that.
I am not hurting anyone, I wasn't going to buy it anyway so they didn't lose anything - Another piece of warez kiddy loving BS, even if you didn't buy it or plan to, doesn't give you the right to use it and then multiply that by 100 thousand by the same people using the same whiny excuse = mass potential profit loss. Its one reason why developers and publishers want to release to Steam or other Digital Platforms because you don't have to pay much for the packaging etc for retail copies as not much are being made now, since people buy online mostly for PC games.
As eks311 has said, "I am going to try it out I will buy it if I like it" - yeah more BS, just like I am going to try this bottle of orange drink shopkeep.... gulp gulp mmmmmmm tasty... sorry shopkeep I don't like it bye....Shopkeep "OKAY looking sad".
Anyway this is why groups and authorative bodies are trying to pass laws to force your ISP to surrender specific information on peoples browsing routine and flag them for specific torrent usage etc, and that info gets passed to the publisher or developer to build a case for legal action. And of course other bodies forcing specific websites to close.
Will all sources close in time for developers to keep continuing to develop games on the PC platform.... to be honest the way its going .. no. And its only the little warez users to blame... remember kids you lot not buying = less money to pay the developer staff etc.. to the point of closure.. have seen it plenty of times where a developer/publisher has gone bankrupt.
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Yeah developers might be fed up of releasing PC games but they can't afford to stop, it's where the money is at. We've already seen it with companies like Ubisoft, calling PC gamers pirates and cancelling the PC version of I Am Alive, only to realize that it's not profitable to do this and release the game a few months later. Do they lose money due to piracy? Yeah, maybe, who knows*, but everything indicates that the money they make outweights the losses, if this wasn't the case many devs would have stopped making PC games a long time ago.
*Who knows, meaning there is no way to know if every copy pirated is a lost sale. In my case at least, if I had not pirated all the games that I have, I would have just not bought them. Does this excuse give me the right to do it or make it less immoral? No, but I never claimed it does, I just don't care, with or without the right I'll do it anyways.
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First, I do not pirate software, but your arguments are not more valid than anything these people say, not to say otherwise.
(1) This is entirely false, what proof do you have that people who pirated... let's say Sony Vegas, a professional video-editing tool costing around a thousand USD for the industry, would also be pirating the Humble Bundle? We call that a false analogy since there's absolutely no links between the two. It's in the same range of intellect as saying: Primary School should be expensive because university is expensive.
(2) ... What the link between the reason why developpers release to Steam and the decrease of retail copies due to the fact that people BUY online mostly for PC games?
(3) Theft takes away the original, but digital copies are nothing but copies and either way it's not the developpers who pay for the file hosting of these files compared to the shopkeeper, who pays for the storage and supply of these products, so they are really not hurt directly.
Have a look at abusive generalization (1, 2 and 3), false analogy (1, 2, 3) and personal attack (3), what you are trying to persuade us about is supported by nothing but obstacle to dialogue and poor rhetorics skills.
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I pirate before because in my native country, Its hard to buy online stuff/games because credit cards are often restricted to not work in online transaction..
But now I'm migratedin canada, all games that I pirated before are now purchased, not all are on steam since some are EA titles/ubiplay
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"Dude let's go buy this game"
"no why would I pay for a game?"
"dude it's 10 dollars"
"well, i'm not rich like you."
yes you are you stupid, the fact that you are using a computer and on the internet and you are a "gamer" means that you can pay 10 dollars for a game you love.
you are not poor, you are just greedy and don't care about the games at all. I hate people like that. for god's sake you go to mcdonald's and pay 10 dollars for a burger, because there are no free burgers are there?
hmph.
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First of all you must be kinda retarded to buy a burger for 10 dollars...Second..there are people who bought their Pcs in the better days but now cant afford buying games(take me for ex:I bought my Pc 5 years ago when I was in a good financial situation,but now I only buy a few game and those on sales-because I cant afford them...)
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I'm talking about games on sale anyway, that's why I said 10 dollars. it's not that much of a money.
and here in turkey a good burger menu is 9-10 dollars yeah lol.
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"IMO pirating a game isn't really stealing the developpers's job"
But that is false...
There are plenty of cases of pirates walking into a company's building, telling the developers that they have to leave and then finishing the development of the game themselves.
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My opinion as a programmer, piracy is good but only at a certain aspect.
How many game/app/music I bought after I tried the pirated version? All of them (all game that I own, I got it from piracy at first)! if it wasn't about piracy, I would bought as much app/game/music as I have right now!
Like Notch(creator of minecraft) said to one of his customer "You don't have money for the game ? that's ok, use the pirated version, and in the future when you have enough money, buy the game".
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Honestly if someone pirated Mw3 (Terrible game btw) but oud only play campaign, i honestly don't care, it's not like that harms the devs.
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I only agree with piracy if there is no way (or very, very limited way) to get somehting. For example I as anime fan would not be able to watch any anime because its just not distributed here (in Slovakia). And someone may argue that I am able to order some DVDs from Japan, but I dont think that many people do this and there would also be problem with shiping. (And of course, most Animes like Naruto, One Piece, etc. are shown in Japanese televisions free of charge) And also things like GFWL actually "force" us to pirate the stuff, because we are not one of the "Chosen" countries and those retails they sell here dont work if you wont create fake account with fake informations. But other then that, I dont support gaming piracy at all. If the game works here where I livem why should i "steal" it ? And there are also things called SALES, and BUNDLES so you can get even those "Freaking Overpriced" games for a few coins :)
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Hey guys !
I would like to have your opinion on piracy. IMO pirating a game isn't really stealing the developpers's job but it's a way to try the game before buying it. Since a few years, many games came out in the Steam store (and on other places) and they were shityy games that we paid like 25-50€ thinking it will be a great game... So by pirating a game, I can try it and if I really enjoyed it, I buy it on Steam. I did it with Terraria :)
Let's give your opinion !
PS : I'm not saying that piracy is cool, but something useful to not being f*cked by some games.
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