Capitalization is a waste of time
[Jotun](https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/KAXo8/jotun-valhalla-edition) - Level 1 | Olarte | December 19th
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This is a great example of what not to do when you've been suspended for forum shenanigans, in this very thread no less.
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There's a way to share a viewpoint or an opinion without being completely sexist. It's possible, believe it or not.
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I have never been catcalled.
I have never catcalled.
To my knowledge, nobody that I know catcalls.
To my knowledge, nobody that I know has ever been catcalled.
I can understand having a distaste for it, but you use some obvious exaggerations, and I think this kind of thinking only builds on the idea that all men are scumbags. Beyond that, I think there are major differences in what could have been possible scenarios with you and your friend there.
- Some guy calls out to you with a somewhat ( or blatantly) sexual remark, if nothing further it's probably best to ignore it and just not make that big a deal out of it, just move along. Sure you probably won't like it, but as long as you don't try to confront them it's easy enough to get over. If it happens repeatedly while you are passing by the same place every day or something like that, sure confront them about it. If they're a decent human being they'll understand and stop it.
- Some guy happens to be walking down the same path as you without saying a word, give them the benefit of the doubt. Right up on you? You've probably got a right to be pretty suspicious and defensive.
- Somebody constantly blurting out somewhat (or blatantly) sexual, AND continues to follow after you and your friend around a block? That's an actual problem. Pretty sure that's more along the lines of literally being stalking,and verbal harassment/abuse. Of course, like the first situation if you confront them about it and they're a decent human being they'll stop, but I have doubts that a decent human being would even take it this far to begin with.
Making every single little thing a legal matter has gone a long way to ruining our society. That's not to say that people aren't actually just way worse than they used to be though. There's used to be a time when you could actually just reason with people and talk things out.
I have a problem with some of the hypothetical arguments you believed people would make against this thread.
"- If you don't want to get catcalled, dress appropriately!
1: Don't blame the victim.
2: I dress as I please. It's my body, not someone else's.
3: It doesn't matter if it's winter and I'm wearing a jacket, or summer with shorts and a t-shirt. Some people will be idiots anyway and say things."
You can make that argument all you want, but I still believe that dressing modestly goes a long way towards preventing it, though as you say SOME people will still be idiots about it. Not literally just wearing a halter-top style mini dress or whatever probably goes a long way towards preventing this kind of thing though.
"- I bet you like it when a handsome guy catcalls you!
Irrelevant. I expect respect from everyone."
It may not be entirely a issue with you, but it's definitely a terrible double standard that you just seem to be shrugging off here. Not just with gender, but how attractive you perceive a person to be making people think it's suddenly better or worse is ridiculous.
"- So this is just a misandrist rant!
It's not. If you feel targeted by anything I said, then it's not because you're a man, it's because you actions ressemble what it's said here."
See beginning of reply. No. I feel targeted because I believe this kind of thinking gets generalized by many people and negative ideas or representations are applied towards all men in their minds. You may tell me to screw off, or that my opinion is invalid because it somehow doesn't apply to me, or that I'm just not educated enough on the subject or something, but generalizing concepts like this towards men does indeed effect me. I don't want anybody to have to live in fear, you and me both included.
Looking at it, this comment seems much larger than I intended it to be.
EDIT: Also, oh gosh. Steamgifts formatting. Help, I don't comment enough.
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I feel targeted because I believe this kind of thinking gets generalized by many people and negative ideas or representations are applied towards all men in their minds.
Then that's your problem.
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Oh sorry, do you want to go to jail because some girl was offended that you said "Hello." to them?
I'd rather not. People are spoiled brats. Ever seen that video of some girl crying rape because an officer is writing her a ticket or telling her to step out of the car or whatever?
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The odds of somebody being jailed or sued or something along those lines because somebody found them offensive is much more likely than something like "for each woman that catcalls me, i get 500 guys."
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Based on what? You seem to be emotionally invested because you somehow think the OP is attacking you personally. If you're not a catcaller, then why feel guilty?
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Based on what?
No. I feel that ideas being spread similar to the "OP"s are harming the image of men in society as a whole.
I don't feel guilty, I feel indignant. I don't agree with what people who catcall are doing, but nor do I agree with turning everyday guys into perceived Freddy Kruegers or Jason Voorhees-s. Women are afraid because people keep spreading stories like this, men are afraid because those women often seem to believe that those stories are representative of all men and are therefore more defensive towards men, and so men are further in danger of being attacked in "self-defense" or of being falsely accused of some that hadn't ever crossed their minds.
It's like how sitcoms have spread the idea that all men (husbands specifically) are actually just a bunch of fat slobs who don't know anything. As much as you'd like to admit it, people begin to believe these kinds of things, some men even start to believe it's true of themselves.
Yoshikage Kira Just Wants A Quiet Life, man. I'd love to live without having to worry about this freaking crap. But I do.
I'm quickly growing to hate everyone and everything, myself included.
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I can understand where you're coming from. However, it's important to remember that how you feel, is just that; reactive emotion. We've entered a volatile era where feelings and assumptions often dominate over hard facts.
Your perception is correct, in that the times are a'changing, but don't mistake said volatility for negativity. Often, at the watermark of change, voices are the loudest and combative resistance peaks. It may feel tense and hostile to you, but that simply means you need to broaden your perspective. Again, it sounds like you are one of the good guys, albeit a bit sheltered in regard to the topic. You don't have to feel persecuted or worry incessantly. All you can do is be a good dude and call out other guys when they misbehave.
What you perceive as a mar on "Men" is really an opportunity to prove the opposite. When you encounter women, just be a decent human. When you encounter questionable male behavior, just say, "hey, that's not cool man."
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Reactive emotions are rolling in both directions.
It's not that it's hostile, it's that it's encouraging OVERLY defensive behavior.
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Yoshikage Kira Just Wants A Quiet Life, man.
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It never ceases to amaze me that 99% of the time there's a cringe-worthy, small-minded, conservative opinion the person has an anime avatar.
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As cringey as somebody considering another human being looking at them equating to rape?
Also. Is that man's hair even real? What is that? What IS that?!
I like anime, I like video games, rarely do I care for anime video games as it seems to be pandering towards people who like anime a little too much, and developers seem to think having a certain art style means they can skimp on quality in other areas especially character animations... Beyond anime and video games I have little to no knowledge of specific Asian cultures beyond them being mostly collectivist and people in general tending to be much more reserved than those in "the west".
What about my fears of generalizing stereotypes makes you assume my race, or political stance?
In my opinion it's small-minded to think of this topic as only something adversely effecting women.
Due to thinking as put forth by many feminist activist groups women have a growing fear of being catcalled, and men having a growing fear of getting freaking arrested, in my mind there's a big difference between those two things.
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Also. Is that man's hair even real? What is that? What IS that?!
That's you being racist.
Also...triggered much? The fact that you responded so strongly to this video might mean you should do some self-actualizing.
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No, no it's not. That hairstyle is ridiculous regardless of race.
Once again, you're assuming my ethnicity.
Nah, not really. I just try to make at least mostly complete responses.
Do you even know what "self-actualizing" means?
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I find that street harassment is common with the younger (15 to 23) crowd. However, it's not always sexual.
It sickens me that people don't treat everyone like they should. The world could be such a great place if we were all nicer to each other.
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B. E. A. U.MP
You thought it would say something else, didn't you?
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Still lots of giveaways running, this deserves a bump :3
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At least you are beautiful imagine if you were ugly?
A friend of mine went home crying because she was the only one in a group of women that wasn't harassed by construction workers at their passage on the street 😟
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I'd be happy that no one harass me?
Also it's not problem of "being ugly" per se, but with having low self-esteem. And it doesn't make street harassment "good" just because someone is good looking.
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Is that even true? I'm glad I'm invisible most of the time. Also, you're basically saying "be glad you get harrassed more and feel unsafe all the time". What?
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Because I'm tired of getting catcalled and watching others in the street receive the same treatment, I decided to share some information with everyone in SG hoping that they can stop doing it and/or talk to their friends to make them reconsider their behavior.
Street harassment is unwanted and unwelcomed public attention, most often directed at women, which is demeaning and damaging. It’s not a private matter but one that should concern everyone.
If you have trouble empathising with strangers, then think about your mother, sister, or girlfriend. Would you enjoy watching people catcalling and telling them nasty things? How do you think they would feel about it?
On an average day I go out twice and I get at least one guaranteed catcall. On weekends or when I go out, for example to a club, it gets worse because groups of people feel more empowered to do so.
A few months ago I was walking with a friend and one guy said things and started to follow us. After a while it ended with me turning around and pepper-spraying his face, then running away in case he could fight back. This is the kind of violence it generates.
We had a rough rest of the day and were shaken up. I didn't enjoy doing that at all, but he had to be stopped. I also like to think the guy didn't enjoy it either.
So in the end, what did he achieve? Nothing.
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OK, I'm gonna clear this up since some people like to assume things just to blame me for defending myself.
For the backward people, this was in june when I wasn't wearing "provocative shorts and t-shirts" clothes. These are the "nice compliments" I got amongst others i don't even want to repeat here and/or I want to forget:
hey girl nice butt
does your friend wanna F with me too?
hey reply bitch
come here lesbos!
GONNA EAT YOUR ASS
Walked one block with that guy which was 1 meter away from us. He wasn't shouting from the other side of the street, he wasn't half a block away, he wasn't sitting in the sidewalk. He was right behind us.
He got warned to leave us alone during the whole 1-block fast-paced walk. I didn't stop to "discuss" because I'm not a 1.9 meters 120kg guy, so I'm not putting my friend and I at risk at 8:30pm in the street.
You read the "You're not alone" thread?
Well, most of the stuff that I shared about me is linked directly to an experience related to this, but I wasn't walking with a friend and there were two guys instead of one following me. You can guess what happened next since I wasn't able to defend myself.
But of course, street harassment is harmless and nothing else can go wrong, nor it can trigger unhappy memories from past experiences.
Think a bit before judging others so quickly assuming they overreact when they feel in danger.~
I know I probably won't convince anyone catcalling to stop by posting this (it doesn't hurt to try), but if your friends or co-workers do it, you can persuade or talk to them and see if they get it. There's nothing worse than being in a group of friends and allowing them to act like idiots.
It's disgusting and demeaning, stop it. You're hurting people with your actions and makes you look like a fool.
❤️️ FAQ, in case you're gonna post one of these comments I get all the time.
- But some women like to be catcalled!
Yes, there's also men that like to get hit in the face with a hammer. So using the same logic, I should go out and hit all men with a hammer in hopes they enjoy it?
- Don't be so sensitive, ignore it.
No, it reaches a point it can't be ignored. It's not an isolated issue once per month or in certain situations so you can avoid it. It also affects me a lot depending on my mood, so when you feel like crap and you get catcalled, things get worse.
- So you want others to come to your rescue when some stranger catcalls you? That will end up with me getting in a fight!
I'm not asking people to fight for me, just them to stop doing it, spread the word, and discourage people in their group of friends from being disrespectful.
- If you don't want to get catcalled, dress appropriately!
1: Don't blame the victim.
2: I dress as I please. It's my body, not someone else's.
3: It doesn't matter if it's winter and I'm wearing a jacket, or summer with shorts and a t-shirt. Some people will be idiots anyway and say things.
- I bet you like it when a handsome guy catcalls you!
Irrelevant. I expect respect from everyone.
- What about men? They also get harassed!
I'm very aware guys also get harassed by both men and women, but this thread is about girls. Feel free to create another thread for that issue, and I will support it.
- So this is just a misandrist rant!
It's not. If you feel targeted by anything I said, then it's not because you're a man, it's because you actions ressemble what it's said here.
- Meh, it could be worse.
It could be worse, but it SHOULD be better. Also, normalizing this behavior makes it even more painful for victims.
- Women also catcall!
I never said they don't, but for each woman that catcalls me, i get 500 guys. So the issue at hand is the one I shared.
- This thread offends me!
That tells a lot about you. Log off, take your time, and think about it.
- This thread is inappropriate for SG, please close and delete it!
Go tell that to all other threads about awareness, politics, religion, sports, disasters, etc.
💙 Some info and articles:
Stop Street Harassment
Wikipedia definition
Documenting women's stories of street harassment
Why we need to take street harassment seriously
Dutch woman faces down her catcallers by posting selfies with them
💚 Videos:
Au bout de la rue (Court-métrage) - france
10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman - usa
Woman is filmed walking London's streets for secret documentary - uk
Male actor dresses as woman to experience sexual harassment - egypt
Sons React to Their Moms Getting Catcalled - usa
💛 And some pictures:
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