I think it's interesting, but ultimately i don't think it's a feature that would be used by very many people. If we lived in a world where SG had no issues then it would be an interesting feature to add, but atm this is way down in the priority list. Well, at least that's my thoughts.
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I'm more concerned about this being abused by traders.
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Could you explain in more detail? I'm not really sure how a simple system for sending keys could be 'abused'?
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Suddenly we have an influx of trader-only users on this site, using "just" this portion of the site.
A site which has a fairly strict policy about trading.
This would likely lead to more trading-related discussions and support tickets on this site.
Call me paranoid, if you wish.
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+9000 (at least) 🐽
best, fast and secure way to do it, is by re-using the "key field" (also "approved" by MSKOTOR).
only huge downside? you need to have lots of winners/created GA's.
tried, for fun, few days ago, for a 3 multi-win key ("hey, you've again!... "and again! ....), and i really would like something similar.
also, i think this is needed now more than time ago: keys seems to have a shorter lifespan, as long as time passes... :D
I'm NOT advocating for a private message system
would be awesome, but yes, we're not asking it.
cg, give us something to relieve this burden of sending/gifting a key on SG, without leaving the site... maybe private Discussions?
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The person getting the key has to understand that you are meaning the "key field" and not comments. Shame on me ....
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literally! :D
but now, the sus-me is arguing you can put in whatever in a xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx format... ):
edit : is there any possibilities to exploit it for bad things?
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I don't think it's exploitable, as it should contain a key and if it's not working, it's up for the creator to fix.
Personally I used something like WINIS-SENTA-SSTEA-MGIFT1, after writing that down in description. I even got a "sent-via-steam" message in the key-field :)
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have lots of winners/created GA's
Is it even possible to search by giveaway winner? But yea, that is a crazy workaround lol.
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At the end key must be redeemed on Steam -> why you can't just send message on Steam?
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Programmatically, would it be easier to add a second version of the existing 'spoiler' function to GA commenting that only the GA owner can reveal? Or would bots be able to scrape that, too?
Meanwhile, are the usual anti-ninja tactics (used in an old-GA) not effective?
Remove the colors: KEYorange-KEYblue-yellowKEY
Remove the trees: KEYmaple-KEYlarch-oakKEYwillow
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Ultimately that's just a reduced private/direct message option. And for whatever reasons cg always decided against this frequently expressed request. And I honestly don't see how he would change his mind for such a niche scenario.
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The first link I posted was for a thread with 1500+ replies based around sending keys directly. Then there are thousands of keys that've been taken by ninjas/bots in the orphan key drop thread alone, this would solve that. I wouldn't call it a niche scenario / issue.
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Golwar was the one saying it was niche, not jiggakills.
Also, calling them a bitch is a bit harsh.
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Okay, let's say that these 1500 comments represent about 400-500 actually gifted games. The thread existed for more than 7 months, so about 70 gifted games per month.
There are about 25k regular giveaways on SG per month. So I dare say that "niche" was a rather appropriate assessment.
Don't get me wrong, I don't get why there is no direct messaging at all. I just don't think that this topic will change his mind about it.
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That thread was was only open during December, All those comments were from one month.
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Oh, I only looked at the age of the thread. Point still stands, the niche just grew from 0.28% by the factor of 7. And I generally was pretty generous in my estimates.
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Couldn't you just add them on Steam and send the key that way? Especially when Steamgifts uses Steam accounts anyway, this feature would basically be another version of Steam chat, except you could message any Steam account instead of just friends.
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Try sending friend requests to dozens/hundreds of people for a giveaway and you'll understand why.
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Sure, it would be annoying then, but I can't imagine many users are trying to give away hundreds of keys at once via PM
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Lots of people have done such giveaways around here using the normal system (normally in the form of some sort of event or challenge they created), and I believe there's a good chance many of them would do similar giveaways per-user too if there was an easy to use system for such purposes.
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why not just make an invite only GA? share the link with just that one person. stipulate that only this one person is allowed to enter (you can do that for inv-only) so you can ask for easy re-roll in case of bots/leaks. Since it's an "official" GA recipient has to redeem the key (so you're sure someone is not using your generosity for profit by trading the key away or whatnot). If it's less than 5 entries it won't mess with CV. I really fail to see any downsides and why we're not using that already...
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Seems like a lot of extra steps: Create invite-only giveaway that lasts ??? time which is hopefully long enough for them to see the link and enter, but hopefully not so long that bots/ninjas find the link. If bots/ninjas do find the link request re-roll until correct winner selected, or if winner selected send gift. Start getting questioned by other users eventually as to why so many of your giveaways only have 1 entry, and likely accuse you of abusing the system somehow. -_-
Threads proposed method: click button on profile > send key.
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a lot of extra steps
Adding a whole new system instead of using what's available in the first place is "a lot of extra steps"...
24h is always reasonable. besides you're likely in contact with the recipient already so you can come to an agreement. heck you can even make just 1h long GA that starts and ends when it suits THEM since you can make GAs that automatically start in the future. Honestly, I might have a limited experience, but I haven't faced that many bots/leaks in private GAs. Besides if you make one, state in desc that it is for one specific person only and stupid bots enter anyway it just helps you weed them out so you can BL them and not deal with them anymore what if you BL a user who's already in your GA?
accuse you of abusing the system somehow
how? as I've mentioned we already have countermeasures for that! cg thought of it over a decade ago! You need at least 5 entries for GA to count. Anything less is just a key distribution system. Besides if we'd make it the norm, people would quickly learn what the 1 entry GAs are about and there'd be nothing strange about it. Especially for active, regular users, who I think are the most likely to scrutinise others and investigate their profiles...
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Adding a whole new system instead of using what's available in the first place is "a lot of extra steps"...
Extra steps one time, vs extra steps every time for every user who wants to send keys.
How about this then; A way to create an invite-only giveaway that can only be entered by a single specified user, and which ends as soon as they do. Although it wouldn't be as fast as direct gifting, it would be quite close and would solve the problem.
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done that before, but reading it here, i think this is one of the best solutions. if not the best.
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I'd agree with jigga on this one - re-rolls are not an option if multiple people join the giveaway, which ultimately you can't stop from happening (blacklisting people is pretty heavy handed). And either doing multiple re-rolls or having to delete and recreate the giveaway is a kinda crappy way to do it as well.
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sorry, it was me before 'cause thought you were saying that you can't ask Support for rerolls in these cases.
these ask for new winner tickets would be handled in a flash, but yes, you're right saying that if the link gets sniped by multiple users, reroll could take more than a single try...
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re-rolls are not an option if multiple people join the giveaway, which ultimately you can't stop from happening
why?
from guidelines:
Entering an invite only giveaway through a leak from a third party may invalidate your entry.
I think there was something more explicit about the creator being able to provide a list of people allowed to enter their invite only GA, but I can't find it rn. anyway that's how PAGYWOSG handles their GAs and it seems to work. I don't see what the issue would be asking for a reroll here...
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No, I didn't say that you can't ask for a reroll, I mean it's a frickin pain in the ass if the only reason (this thread) you are making an invite-only giveaway for a single individual.
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Not a great solution, but a work-around I think might work in maybe 70% of cases*. I've contacted SG users by messaging on one of their giveaways.
Pros
- You can almost safely assume everyone here has made at least 1 public giveaway.
- I don't know if bots would even go back into giveaways that have already ended. Sounds like wasted bandwidth going through the entire archive of millions of giveaways in 10+ years.
Cons: - Users might have many messages in their inbox and overlook your message with a Steam Key.
- It can be tedious to find a public giveaway within a user profile. Maybe if there was a search filter.
*This method won't work if the user has only just joined SG and never made a public giveaway. You can probably use SGtools to check if a user has ever made a public giveaway.
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Please CG add a button to users profile for sending them a Steam key directly, instead of requiring a giveaway first. It would solve the problem of having to deal with ninjas/bots taking keys since you could just ask who wants them and send it to them. Thread like this, this or this would especially benefit.
I'm NOT advocating for a private message system, this would be purely for sending keys.
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