Thank you Zomby2D. I must say, I feel bad for the dev. Not only he didn't get any money from those keys, now he is replacing the revoked keys.
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"I bought this obviously stolen game from an obviously black market and now I'm raging because the dev who got screwed much more wont let me play it"
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Pretty much this. I've seen so many complaints like this in the past were people were raging on about how a dev was mistreating their "paying customers", who purchased a key that later got revoked from a random person on G2A.
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Pretty much this, but "farm it" instead of "play it".
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No, farming would have been done already long in the past. It's been many months.
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I don't get why the customers of g2a and similar places are even considered by devs. You play gray-market games, you win gray-market prizes.
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not knowing that the user was reselling the keys
i don't believe it xD
user who bought those keys is a well known reseller with his own shady-russian lequestore. Why dev didn't report this user in steam?
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Well, he might've been tempted by the cash or something. I mean, he's reported him now?
Edit: They're still friends, so idek
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From what he wrote in another thread he was cusrious about the idea of farming the game. Being a small developer he probably had no idea who the other guy was. (I didn't know him either before today)
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didn't know him either before today
i thought ppl in support know all those cv-farm stores xD
from link u posted above - looks like keys from DIG also revoked. So DiG owner bought keys from shady russian store and resell for profitz. lul
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Unless it was DIG marketplace like many say, so it was the original thief or someone who bought from him selling there.
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Most likely DIG marketplace. I saw a few comments on the forum talking about requesting their feedback changed on DIG.
There's a lot of keys bought from those shady russian stores that makes their way on DIG. It's quickly becoming the new G2A.
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So DiG owner bought keys from shady russian store and resell for profitz. lul
Ignoring that the DIG store has its own G2A style marketplace, that's pretty much how a lot of their offers have looked in the months before they introduced the community marketplace -- Russian keys at inflated prices.
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Why dev didn't report this user in steam?
Because dev knew full well he shouldn't have been selling those keys for card farming. Shit like this is exactly why Valve have placed so many restrictions on cards. First requiring games to reach certain metrics before cards can be added, then stating they would block key generation and finally restricting achievements to stop asset flip games from meeting those required metrics. Card have been nothing but a monumental fuck-up and they need removing altogether but that will never happen because it's free money for Valve.
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Poor dev.
It's good that they are trying to sort things out the honorable way and replacing the affected keys.
I hope they manage to get things sorted out.
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Oof, that sucks. Didn't get his money, and has a ton of users pissed at him. Hope he gets a miracle or something to pull him out of this mess, he really needs it.
Edit: They're still friends, so...Maybe he's trying to sort this out?
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Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
i don't think i would unfriend a dude that owes me a bunch of money.
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I mean, you'd figure the other guy would unfriend him though unless he needs him for some master plan
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oh yeah probably unless he is just keeping him on the hook by lying and deceiving him. Can't be sure what the endgame is here but i assume it's getting away with it AND not having to pay the money he owes the dev
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Farming purpose? As in cards farming purposes? Didn't a bunch of games leave the steam store because devs were doing that?
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Yeah, like, I'm sorry for you but you did what valve specifically says not to do with keys... and what happened to you is exactly why they warn against doing this... and now... surprise, you got scammed.
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I was recently wondering, from where come sudden floods of card sales in many third-rate, cheap - but never given away - games.
I think I know the answer now.
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I'm confused... for what other purpose would a man use 40k copies of the game???
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So many small time developers are totally clueless about key reselling.
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he was only clueless about revoking payment through paypal
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For a game with low sales it's not awful to have the cards farmed and sold on the market. That, bundling and creative marketing to get actual store sales are the only ways to make money for, well, a majority of the games on Steam.
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I'm sure he would have appreciated that filthy card money. :)
Next time sell your game through steam or reputable sites
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He sold the keys for card farming and got burned?
No pity from me.
Also:
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^ agreed, this is how we get trash games onto steam. Just selling them for dirt cheap and card farming purposes
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Does this look like a trash game to you? The trailer looks pretty good. Far from the typical 1€ trash.
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It looks like a 1$ descent clone on Maze like corridors, to me atleast.
what is the typical steam trash game these days, anyway? n straight up asset flip.That a pretty low bar to settle for
Not that it matters, i don't want developers to sell their games for dirt cheap to random people. he knew exactly where those copies would end up.
EDIT: he sure acts like the typical steam indie dev though.
"This is not a fully functional game" 0.1 hours played. Screw you buddy.
Classy
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The response is quite harsh and inappropriate from a developer, but it's not that wrong tbh. Judging the quality of a game in alpha stage with barely 10 mins of gameplay is pretty stupid.
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right, of course, it's just like a good wine. Out of curiosity. for how long as this 2015 game been in the alpha stages?
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It's not uncommon for one-man operations like this to take years to develop a game, often by working on it on evenings and weekends alongside a day job to pay the bills.
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One person operation like this often have this problem that the developer is the one in doing everything, from coding the game, trying to market it, and answering forum posts and reviews. And PR might not be their strong suit.
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The asshole even has a SteamTrades account with 249 upvotes...
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one more reason not to trust "generous" traders with hundreads reps on steamtrades
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Quick glance and 99% are "thanks for letting me idle a 0.25 cent stolen game for you!!"
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"Transactions" like this (getting a game for free, idling cards) shouldn't even be allowed in the feedback system.
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SteamTrades feedback is an open joke ran not my moderators but bot armies that can remove any negatives from scammers like that.
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Sure, that's certainly possible. But does it actually happen? Is there any proof of that?
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If there is a way to abuse a system and rip off people in some way, there are people abusing that way. One of the basic laws of humanity proven over and over in history. But I don't really care that much to look for proof for this, I'll just not use the site that promotes such behavior with total lack of any rules or enforcement.
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People also tend to heavily exaggerate these things. They always think there are way more bots than there really are (the same happens here on SG). I at least couldn't find any Steamtrades feedback bots in my little search just now. I also think if that was the case - regularly the case! - then people would of course notice. People would see how obvious scammers get their negative feedback removed. Because the feedback systems works in a way so that many people see your feedback, and no matter how many bots you bring, you can never prevent that. So if ST is really the bot-infected site many here think, why are there no threads about it? We should see threads here, or on Reddit. People would talk about it. So far I've heard nothing of the sort. Just people assuming that there must be so many bots. No one bringing any actual indications to the table. As I said, people tend to exaggerate these things. Tend to take as fact what is merely as assumption. I am not convinced. And on top of that my personal experience is that I never had any trouble whatsoever with high-rep traders.
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I've seen talk about it. I guess you don't believe in Russian card farms having thousands of bots either then? Nobody thought those existed before they asked Archi for support or whined about Steam banning all their accounts.
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Yeah, but that's my point. You've seen talk about it. I have, too. Right here on SG people talk about it. They assume, they don't have any proof (correct me if I'm wrong).
Again: I am not saying there is absolutely no problem. But people tend to paint a picture of a completely bot-infested Steamtrades, where the feedback system is broken and completely useless - and that is far from the truth. The feedback system is not perfect, but it's still very useful and almost all traders will avoid scams 100%, if they stick to trading with high-rep traders. I am convinced of that, and so far nobody was able to provide anything to prove me wrong.
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If I wasn't too lazy to even read manuals, much rather to learn coding, I would accept the challenge and make a simple ST bot. There are bots to abuse every aspect of Steam (and any other part of the Internet where you can make money) so assuming there aren't ones just because the problem hasn't been made public yet is just silly.
More about principle of allowing such behavior than there being a huge actual problem (yet). Plenty of shades of gray between black and white. I only have personal experience of clearly rule breaking feedback voted to be legit so I stopped caring that much.
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so assuming there aren't ones just because the problem hasn't been made public yet is just silly.
I thought I'd made clear that I am not saying there are none at all. I did it again right above your comment. ;)
More about principle of allowing such behavior than there being a huge actual problem (yet).
Well, you did actually say it is a huge problem. You said the site is run by bot armies. Sounds pretty huge to me. ^^
There are two possibilities to consider here.
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You refrain from trading completely, because there will always be a percentage of scamming, of cheating, of abusing the feedback system and all that. This is no different on other sites. You will never achieve a 100% scam-free trading environment. If that is a reason for you to say you don't want to trade at all, that's totally fine. If 99% is not good enough for you, that's understandable.
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You explicitly say ST is not a good trading site in comparison anymore, because the feedback system is completely useless and "run by bots". To that I say: prove it. Because my impression is very different. I had thousands of successful trades with high-rep traders over the years. Not a single issue. I simply don't believe the feedback system to be useless. And I simply don't believe the site is overrun by bots. I accept that there are black sheep. Of course there are. But from my point of view those are the exception, not the rule. And the statement that ST is "run by bots" seems very wrong to me. It is an exaggeration of a problem that has never really been quantified. And with the obvious lack of evidence it just seems a bold claim.
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I never said it's a huge problem, just that it's how the system is made to work. Trusting public online opinion is like expecting to have a serious Internet vote about anything and not have 4chan trolls and such manipulate it for hilarious results. Have you ever seen that not happen? That's my main point.
1) I'll just rather use some other site where someone is actually moderating rule breakers, on ST everyone is freely allowed to break the rules without any fear of punishment.
2) I haven't had any problems with SG autojoiners either (other than the spam they generate, but it pales in quantity to actual users spamming). But for some reason my opinion about them wasn't taking into accord when they got banned several times. Should they be allowed back in just because I personally don't have any issues with them? Would it be better if we stop having actual humans in support and just handle all issues here too with public votes?
You guys are just proving my point about total wild west vs law and order by doing work here. :)
Edit: here's a fine example of how trustworthy easily botted online votes are:
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1) I'll just rather use some other site where someone is actually moderating rule breakers, on ST everyone is freely allowed to break the rules without any fear of punishment.
Sure, that is clearly a problem and I would very much like to see moderation on ST again. No doubt about that. The site was better with proper moderation, and the voting system is no real substitute for that.
2) I haven't had any problems with SG autojoiners either (other than the spam they generate, but it pales in quantity to actual users spamming). But for some reason my opinion about them wasn't taking into accord when they got banned several times. Should they be allowed back in just because I personally don't have any issues with them? Would it be better if we stop having actual humans in support and just handle all issues here too with public votes?
I really don't know what you're getting at. I was never against moderation, or for public voting. My argument is that the site is still very much usable, and that the feedback system is still very helpful. And that the site is not "run by bot armies", as I highly suspect those incidents are the exception. Almost all profiles will show you an accurate representation of the feedback the user got. I am sure there is abuse, but it's not so high that we could say the site is dominated by that abuse. That is my argument. I am really not in favor of the current voting system. Not only because it can be abused. I also think the regular votes are questionable. People often vote based on reputation instead of facts. So the high-rep trader always has the advantage in votes against the low-rep trader. That's clearly a problem. Anyway, my original argument doesn't have a lot to do with that. :)
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I was only getting at that lack of personal problems with something can never be extrapolated to there being none or very little in general. That you have enough experience to deal with the good traders (which the majority still are hopefully :) doesn't validate the people with +1000 "thanks for making me part of your card farm!!". I've never had problems trading with people who have 1000 +rep on their Steam profile, but that just means I haven't felt any need to trade anything with them, not that their feedback is valid in any way.
Still more about the principle than anything actual. But enough of this, I'll promise to feel very optimistic after visiting an International Grand Food Market. :)
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Sorry, for the late answer, was afk on the weekend...
I was only getting at that lack of personal problems with something can never be extrapolated to there being none or very little in general.
True, but it also goes the other way. ;) Individual personal problems in trading with high-rep traders cannot be extrapolated to "feedback is useless" or "bots dominate ST".
That you have enough experience to deal with the good traders (which the majority still are hopefully :) doesn't validate the people with +1000 "thanks for making me part of your card farm!!".
Right, it doesn't. And my intention was not to say that it does. As I said, those exceptions exist and are clearly a problem. But to my knowledge not a very big one at the moment. I always recommend to people that they don't just look at the numbers, but also have a look at how long the person is on ST and where he got his feedback from. If you see the person has 200 rep just from card idling - maybe not such a trustworthy guy after all. You can usually see that quite fast.
But enough of this, I'll promise to feel very optimistic after visiting an International Grand Food Market. :)
Oh nice. How was it?
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Which ones of these do you disagree with on ST?
1) Anyone can break as many rules as they want with no fear of punishment
2) Only kind of punishment possible is fake negative trade feedback, which is also against the rules
3) In theory it would be trivial for any farmer with thousands of bots to manipulate the votes and remove the feedback
Would you argue that SG where people would mark "not received" without any GA for others instead of blacklisting them makes any sense? Did you know that people from 3) offer their services openly on Steam for example, "$$ for WXYZ upvotes" and such nonsense. Those I have encountered couple times before I stopped bothering with random people. So one could just throw money at it instead of work to demonstrate the point.
Anything that can be manipulated that easily has the worth of Steam profile feedback, where anyone will add +rep for +rep and you can just remove any -rep. Do you trust those too since many people have had successful trades and left each other +rep? Or is the principle of the whole system obviously not working very well enough for you to say profile +reps are meaningless?
It's less Grand than it sounds, also quite the same as last year, so I ended up coming home with the same bag of salami. :)
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1) Unfortunately true.
2) Also true.
3) In theory that would be true. Although (and that is my whole argument) I don't believe it happens too often. And I also don't believe that invalidates the feedback system. We still have lots of traders who are on the site for years and gathered hundreds of +rep. Those are still valid. You can still be fairly certain that you won't get scammed if you trade with those people. Again, a quick look at the profile and some common sense don't hurt. But that was always the case, even back in the moderated times.
But I think we're running in circles now. ;)
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Could say something about bots and voting after checking https://www.steamtrades.com/user/76561198000076279 again.
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There are bots to abuse every aspect of Steam (and any other part of the Internet where you can make money) so assuming there aren't ones just because the problem hasn't been made public yet is just silly.
I also would like to add: assuming something without proof and accepting it as fact unless there is evidence for the non-existence seems sillier to me. Normally it should go the other way around. ;)
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That's the main difference, you have idealistic optimism and I have cynical pessimism. I don't feel like I really need to have proof for my opinion about some way of abuse that's fully allowed and even encouraged by total lack of rule enforcement. I'll always assume it's going to happen and more often than not, it gets proven right and becomes realism.
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Maybe I should be a little more cynical sometimes, and you could be the optimist for a change. ;)
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This is an exception. Most high rep traders are absolutely trustworthy. I never had any problem with people above +200/0.
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rep on steamtrades could be easy abused with bots.
Also there was an option to delete your old trades, so u cant check, for example, if my rep is ok - i deleted all my old threads
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rep on steamtrades could be easy abused with bots.
Sure, that's certainly possible. But does it actually happen? Is there any proof of that?
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It's definitely not a magical exception. Having a few hundred rep doesn't make anyone a good person.
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Of course it doesn't. Someone doesn't have to be a good person in order for me to trade with him anyway. But (unless cheated) it shows that this person had several hundred successful trades. That is a pretty good indicator of whether you should trade with him or not.
I can't say I follow what's going on on ST very much lately. I concentrate more on my own threads. But I was very active for some years, and I still browse other threads from time to time. My experience is that the shady offers almost always have very low rep and often are registered for only a short time. I can count the potential high-rep scammers I saw with one hand, while I must have seen hundreds with low rep over the years. Yes, as with everything there are exceptions. But those are - surprise! - exceptions. I've never seen any evidence to think otherwise.
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If you scam 40k games from one person and give them to 40k idlers for cards, your feedback will be +40000/1 because only 1 person didn't like what you are doing.
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I was once scammed by a guy with around 100 +rep and no -rep.
On closer inspection, it turns out he was idling games for card farming, so his 100 +rep was not hard to get...
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Sure, I didn't say they don't exist. I am just saying this is the exception. And trading with high-rep traders is still way safer than with low-rep ones. It's never completely safe, of course. Even a 1000/0 guy can suddenly change and start scamming people. Single cases don't show the whole picture. In response to your single experience with this guy: I had thousands of trades with high-rep traders and not a single issue. So, based on both our experience combined, we're still good. ;)
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40.000 keys and only 18 reviews on the game, ouch.
If that goes bad it'll basically doom the game.
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No sympathy from me, he deserves everything he gets.
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Does this dev have some proofs he got scammed? Otherwise that can be an old good witch hunt
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Now we're getting both sides of the drama so time to make popcorn.
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interesting https://i.gyazo.com/90aeb9fdde017d1200dd8e5af8c2d791.jpg
"so once you farmed all cards for 40k accounts..."
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Weren't the larger ones closed down by Valve during the initial phases of changing the card drop system? At least this is the first time I hear about a bot farm larger than 2000 accounts (or asking for more than 2k keys) in a while.
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The ones they managed to catch because they looted all accounts at once with ASF or some other silly reason. But my bet is that as usual, anything caught and made public is just the tip of the iceberg.
On other news, turns out my exciting reroll drama was just Steam as usual. Do I really need to go from lvl2 trains to lvl0 public to catch something. :(
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Not even there, probably. I had 9 hits on users this entire year and I should be over 200 public level 0 giveaways.
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This kind of confirms that the keys were sold to him for farming and not for resale.
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I liked the part where PayPal refunded the payment to his PP balance that he's not allowed to have. Didn't say anything about why it was refunded to begin with.
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Valve: "These fake developers take advantage of a feature we provide to all developers on Steam, which is the ability to generate Steam keys for their games. They generate many thousands of these keys and hand them out to bots running Steam accounts, which then idle away in their games to collect Trading Cards. Even if no real players ever see or buy one of these fake games, their developers make money by farming cards."
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Yeah, that part was a dumb move.
In the developer's own words :
I went through with this ultimately, despite my obvious better judgement, because I thought I would learn about the Steam card system and how to better utilize and understand the market surrounding it... I had no idea this was the rabbit hole and I am laughing at myself right now.
It still doesn't warrant getting flak because he revoked keys that weren't paid for. Especially if he genuinely thought that only the person who had bought them from him would be affected.
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i cant answer that. Don't even know where to begin.
other than , the worst case scenario is valve itself, known for casually terminating business for cases of card farming and fake reviews.
especially when it's pointed to them, whenever the circus comes to town, yt channels like sid and jim are sure to pick it up.
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I would suggest buying a copy to support the guy
I would suggest not. His comments make him out to be something of a jerk, and only one of the game's negative reviews is based on revocations. Likewise, he can claim at least partial responsibility for the current circumstances he's in. There doesn't seem to be much basis to go out of your way to support this game, from any angle. Supporting someone is good, but make sure you're doing it for the right reasons, and for something that actually deserves your support.
Besides, unless we've past experiences from which to cast doubt on the second party, it seems they're arguing just as strongly as the developer that the other individual is the one responsible. If they're telling the truth, then the developer is a total scumbag and certainly doesn't deserve support. Not that it's not easy to consider the key-farmer the responsible one by default, given what they're involved in- but, again, it's not like the developer has given us a good impression of themselves either.
(Obviously, I'm exclusively addressing purchasing a game for reasons other than being legitimately interested in the game itself.)
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only one of the game's negative reviews is based on revocations
There were a few more when I originally posted this. Most of them seem to have been removed once the dev offered to replace the keys for those affected.
unless we've past experiences from which to cast doubt on the second party
Even from the screenshot posted by the other party, it's clear that the keys we're sold for farming purpose and not for resale. This corroborate at least that part of the statement from the developer.
Yes, the developer was naive and sounds like so many small developers new to Steam who know nothing about key resale.
Also, why did Paypal refund him in the first place?? And partly to his Paypal balance that he's supposedly not allowed to have.
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Selling keys for farming is not allowed by Valve. Everything after that point is sort of irrelevant. It doesn't lift the blame for potential scam from the other party, but developer should have not entered that deal in the first place. And yes, they had to know about that rule because it's made very visible from day 1.
Reminds me of an old and politically incorrect joke about a "sex worker" reporting an assault that happened on Saturday but they're in the Police on Monday - because the check bounced on Sunday.
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I'm curious about one thing. How good is Valve at communicating changes in policies? Or is this directly visible on the page were you generate the keys?
The game has been on Steam for almost 3 years now and I'm guessing this policy was created more recently. (Probably after the Digital Homicide fiasco) I'm just wondering how likely it is that a developer could be unaware of that policy or if there was no way to miss it and they just clearly ignored it.
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I can't talk about the details but it's almost impossible for a developer to be unaware.
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for the victims.
Mind changing that to "those affected"? I think of something a bit more extreme when the word "victim" gets thrown out. :X
(I mean, consider the definition of 'Victimize': To single (someone) out for cruel or unjust treatment.)
This corroborate at least that part of the statement from the developer.
Which means absolutely nothing, since they're both telling the same story with different angles. Either one could be the one who is misrepresenting things.
The one thing we know for sure is that the key-farmer is responding with a bit more dignity than the developer, which- barring any other considerations to lean us one way or another- should sway us to tentatively favor their story. Likewise, if the key-farmer is as well-known as suggested by other users above, and they- as they noted- haven't had issues until now doing the exact same thing that's occurring now, it's actually unlikely they'd suddenly start (since it would compromise their entire marketing reputation for no discernible reason).
Meanwhile, as you noted, the developer seems to have gone in blindly. Likewise, he seems to be impulsive, petty, and vindictive to at least some minor degree. From just the presentations of character we've been given, it does seem that the developer was more likely the one to intentionally mess things up, as indicated by the key-farmer. But, again- we don't know anything. Likewise, neither party is a victim (even in a lighter sense of the word). There's just no reason to single the game out for special treatment, beyond what it deserves on grounds of its own appeal.
I mean, you're talking about rewarding a developer of seemingly no special merits, for making a bad decision (and one which is in defiance of policies prohibiting such an action). If you have any reason to especially favor this developer, that we can base special considerations off of, then that's one thing- but as is, it seems to be a counter-intuitive recommendation.
I totally appreciate the positive sentiment you're trying to express, and in another circumstance, I might be wholeheartedly backing it.
Here, however, it just feels out of place.
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I think of something a bit more extreme when the word "victim" gets thrown out.
Fair enough, changed it.
if the key-farmer is as well-known as suggested by other users above, and they- as they noted- haven't had issues until now
I personally don't know him but at least one person has expressed the fact that they had trouble with him before:
I've noticed purchases from that person can go funky after some time, if he does payment scams that does explain it.
From my point of view, the developer got suckered into making a quick buck by selling a block of keys to a card farmer (even though it's not allowed by Valve) without thinking that they would be resold. Then, for some reason, the buyer got the transaction refunded the next day. The sent a partial payment a month later and went radio silent for months until the dev revoked the keys. (Thinking he's stopping a card farmer and waking up to a whole other level of mess this morning.
Likewise, he seems to be impulsive, petty, and vindictive to at least some minor degree.
I would probably be too if I was in the same situation. If I ever develop and publish a game, I'm hiring someone to hanlde the PR. :P
I mean, you're talking about rewarding a developer of seemingly no special merits, for making a bad decision (and one which is in defiance of policies prohibiting such an action). If you have any reason to especially favor this developer, that we can base special considerations off of, then that's one thing- but as is, it seems to be a counter-intuitive recommendation.
I get what you're saying. I agree that he doesn't necessarily deserve special treatment for making a bad judgement call, but that's a kind of game I do enjoy and it felt right, at least to me, to help the guy out a tiny bit. I'll let everyone else make their own decision on this.
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yay...
I think I got for free. but stupid statement...btw
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the dev was left with no other choice than revoking the keys
rofl. nope. he already got paid for the keys. he's injuring all those who paid for them later on and didn't have anything to do with that. now he's still having the money but people don't have their paid game anymore. he's a shitty egoistic scammer
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So if I send you $700 with PayPal and revoke the payment, you're happy with it because you got the money first?
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was the payment revoked and the end customers refunded and provided with a compensation ? according to op people have to go on their way to ask themselves to that dev for a new key and don't seem to have a compensation.
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The dev was the one ripped off here, why should he compensate for anything? That he's doing it is just a nice bonus.
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The developer only sold keys to one person, who revoked the payment.
If that person sold the unpaid keys to others, then that person is the one responsible who should be compensating the end "customers". The dev is just being nice by replacing the keys so the least amount of people are affected by this.
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oh so the one who bought the 40K keys is the one who revoked the payment ? didn't get it. in that case both the dev and the "honest" end customers are victims of it
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He blames PayPal apparently for refunding his payments for no reason and banning his account. I find it suspicious that someone does a lot of business with many devs and is not even be able to provide a small payment of couple hundred in a legit way during all those months.
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I'd love to trade with you. You won't mind if I revoke the payment afterward, right?
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Honestly I wouldn't recommend anyone to buy this game. This one still doesn't have price in currency so it's not possible to buy it and I've learned that if dev is lazy enough not to agree to put price after new currency implemention that you can't even pray he will finish it
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I'm rather confused. It looks like screenshots are showcasing that he sold the keys to idle cards and make money based off that, which isn't anything to really sympathize over. Is there something I'm missing?
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Not sure if he's guilty of this, but for damn sure most of his profit would have came from card sales if 40,000 copies were activated for key farming purposes. Hell of a lot more than whatever legit sales were made on steam for 2.99 per copy.
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Well the cards sell for really low, so the dev cut should be at 1-2 cents each at best. We're talking about a possible profit, tax excluded, of $1000-1500.
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Yeah, but compared to sales of an unpopular 2.99 game? With valve taking.. 30%?
He'd have to sell like 500 copies to make $1k, maybe more if there's processing fees in addition to steams cut.
With 18 reviews after 2 years I don't think he sold 500 copies.
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Indeed. That's pretty much why I didn't get people feeling bad for him if he was trying to do that.
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Mkay.. handled poorly imo.
It's 2.99 and didn't sell well. 18 reviews in 3 years?
Should have made the game free after all this came out, good luck reselling keys for a game that's free.
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I feel bad for the dev here but he handled this naively.
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Dev shouldn't be replacing keys Imo. People who buy keys from unofficial sources are taking their own risks. He was incredibly naive to sell so many keys to one person, or was blinded by the $$ but still it's not his responsibility people got scammed.
I'd say people suck but this scammer scum's actions being balanced by a dev who doesn't owe it to anyone pretty much give me faith in humanity.
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Hello SG,
A large amount of keys for the game Geocore have recently been revoked.
As it turns out, a user bought 40k keys from the dev, supposedly for farming purpose. The developer naively agreed to it, not knowing that the user was reselling the keys. On top of that, the user revoked his Paypal payment to the dev and after months of trying to resolve the situation, the dev was left with no other choice than revoking the keys.
He's now stuck with a mess, having a negative Paypal account he can't use and angry users posting negative reviews because the key they bought from a shady website got revoked. Most of them seem to be gone now
Still, the developer is doing the honorable thing and offered to replace the keys of those who got screwed over this.
https://steamcommunity.com/games/355190/announcements/detail/2887254881753042837
So if you had your copy revoked, you can contact the developer with your revoked key an he will try to sort it out for you.
Personally, I bought a copy to support the guy and help him out of a dreadful situation. (It's cheap enough, a kind of game I do enjoy, and it has trading cards to boot.)
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