How high is your monthly income in US Dollars?
Check this.
Income and wastings have different digits and about same ratio. I mean income subtract count of wasting and you get about same result for countries of the same level of development. Table for example:
Case №, Income, Wastings, Free money
1, 4000, 3500, 500;
2, 2000, 1750, 250;
3, 1000, 875, 125.
But World consist countries of many different develepoment level, and the only thing that changes is free money. It's good idea for poll but I think it's need to add development level of countries and use free money percentage of all income instead of exact salary count. In this case answers need to be like "<5%, country have high level of development", "5-15%, country have high level of development", "<5%, country have medium level of development", "5-15%, country have low level of development".
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I think you should have added the $0 option, as I presume many members are school kids (and some may be unemployed like Razielite), and don't have any income yet.
I also think you should differentiate between gross and net income (before & after taxes), because for example: in Ukraine it's practically the same, while in France or Germany net can be 50% (or less) of the gross.
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I had blacklisted you in the past, i think it was once when you said something about westerners (probably in a fit of rage) ! :p
With context i understand better you can be angry, sorry for what happened to you, just we little westerner citizens don't fully decide our governments' choice even if we vote for, we don't vote for every specific decision. I regret my governement makes your country suffer, just so you know most people here don't even know where is your country or all what their governement does. Even here there are a lot of poors or problems, not similar to yours obviously, but people are very taken by the rhythm of their daily worries.
Whitelisted you.
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Sorry to hear that :(
As flutesong mentioned below: https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/E3kD0/sg-how-high-is-your-monthly-income/search?page=2#0gbmlDu
You could pick up some marketable IT skills, and there are many marketplaces for offshore projects (especially someone with decent Eglish skills, such as yourself). I think you could easily make a couple $100 per month working online.
For example:
https://colorlib.com/wp/popular-freelance-marketplaces/
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You shouldn't have to cave to some jerks narrative just to make him feel better. This site is AMAZING and is filled with equally awe inspiring folks that are dedicated to sharing a gaming experience with others that can't for X, Y, and Z reasons. Heaven forbid someone receive gifts on a site names steamGIFTS. I find it incredibly audacious for certain folks, say in the convo above, to just outright judge someone based on stats despite them offering an actual explanation as to why things are they way they are. It shows that that person is dismissive and close minded and could use some horizon broadening, but again that's just my opinion. You keep on being you Raz, and fuck the rest because that's what's most important. Give when you can but the site isn't a test of morality, it's a gift giving/receiving site.
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well, technically according to Terms of Service you gotta be 16+ years old to create SG account, and most of 16+ y/o have at least so minimal disposable money or at least ways to earn it ;)
just joking ofc, I'm well aware that next to noone ever reads Terms of Service and that probably we have a vast demographic of yourger kids on SG`
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Check my post about difference between cost of 100$ for different countries.
"<100" consist "0$" too.
I had no income from my parents too when I was in school, but some of my friends had job. To be honest, for my case it was choice rather than fact (an insurmountable circumstance) while big part of students of other cities have no this ability factually*.
*Nobody prevent people who have internet and pc/notebook/laptop/etc to learn programming or other IT profession and get job for a distance. You could ask some programmers "When you start coding and when you start get income for coding?" and some of them (not big part ofc) will tell you something "I start learn programming at 12-16 and start get income for coding when I was 16-18"
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I also think you should differentiate between gross and net income (before & after taxes), because for example: in Ukraine it's practically the same, while in France or Germany net can be 50% (or less) of the gross.
Yeah, missed that statement in the description as well. While there are many other things, which are more difficult to display in such a poll, before/after taxes or disposable income (as jbondguy007 suggested) would be easy to state as a prerequisite.
@ Amano: not meant harshly, but as a suggestion. Interesting idea anyway and the poll provides anonymity.
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No stable income. Money has been a problem for me for many years (I do still try to give away here on SG when I can though).
Earlier this year I decided to try and become a programmer, but I'm learning everything on my own so hard to say how long it'll take. The plan is to get a decent grasp of Python, C++, and significantly improve my math skills, then figure out what I want to focus on past that (I'm still rather lost when it comes to potential carer paths for programmers).
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Programmer here.
I would suggest you try some simple coding exercises (after learning the basics - variables, operators, loops, data structures) just to see how it is for you.
If it's not fun, and you're not enjoying yourself, I'd say drop it - there are plenty of IT related jobs that make good money, and don't require programming.
If you do like it, and find it fun, then maybe programming is really for you.
I wouldn't say you need strong math skills to be a programmer, just a good understanding of basic school-level calculus.
Also, there's no need to study many languages, it will only slow you down. The most common language is actually JavaScript, which is used for both Client-side and Server-side development (google these concepts if you don't know what they are).
If you insist on Python/C++, I would say drop the C++ and invest your whole effort into Python. First of all be able to implement any basic (non-web, non-db, etc.) program in Python. Once you do you can start learning basic concepts, like Web Service/MicroService development, Databases (Relational/NoSql), Client side, BigData, distributed systems design, messaging queues, etc. and learning specific packages in Python that implement that specific technology. In my experience, the best way to accomplish this is to build small projects. You want to learn Databases - you create a program that reads/writes/modifies a database.
You want to learn Web Services - you build a web service,
etc.
In my experience, knowing 2-3 subjects well enough (probably Databases & Web Services are most important) in addition to strong understanding of basic Python, is enough to get a programming job.
Good Luck!
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Not currently programmer myself, but I have some education and professional background in this field ;)
Mdk25 posted you some great tips, so I will just let myself elaborate a little more, but most important things he already covered ;)
First of all like he said - drop idea of learning multiple languages simultaneously, first you need to learn to code, to think algorythmically, to look for solutions (or how to copy them effectively) etc. Programming language is just a tool to learn actual programming, not your goal itself. When you actually learn to code well, will feel freely about it, not struggling, when the whole process will be comming naturally to you - then if it will be needed for your work or self-improvement you may learn additional languages, and learning a new language when you are already a good programmer will be much faster and easier for you than it is now when you are just starting, so there's really no point in wasting your time and energy at your current level.
As for math required I would definetely add mathemathical logic. Not complicated university-level stuff but basic school-level-stuff is a must. Logic theory, what corelations change to what etc, whole programming (heck, not just programming, almost everything related to computers) is heavilly based on logic equations and fully understanding them is a must.
As for other IT-related jobs - a lot of people without background in IT successfully pursue careers in Business Analysis and Quality Assurance / Testing. Actually over half of people I personally encountered working on these positions had no technological (and especially no IT) background at all, so if programming turns out not to be your thing these are both excellent paths to try out.
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Let's start from the top.
A good programmer (one that can get a job as a programmer) needs to know well (at least) the following basic concepts:
They are ordered from the easiest to the hardest.
But before you start with that, you need to know the basic concepts of computer science (what is memory, what is a database, how binary works, etc.)
You can find a good overview of what concepts you need to know here: https://www.tutorialspoint.com/basics_of_computer_science/
Next you need to start learning basic coding skills: working with variables, comparisons, looping, data structure, functions/methods, etc.
The most basic concepts (variables, comparisons, looping, etc.) don't even need a programming language. There are many fun games that teach those. Like: Human Resource Machine or https://www.playcodemonkey.com/
After you know the basic concepts, you should choose a language, and learn how the basic concepts implemented there (shouldn't be too hard, once you know the concepts). Once you got the basic of the language figured out, you can move on to the more complex subjects (basically the 5 point list I started it, ordered from 1 to 5) while implementing them in the language of your choice.
Once you've managed that, you can start learning more practical concepts that are the way modern software projects are actually built: Web Service/MicroService development, Databases (Relational/NoSql), Client side, BigData, distributed systems design, messaging queues, etc. The best way to accomplish this is to build small projects. You want to learn Databases - you create a program that reads/writes/modifies a database, You want to learn Web Services - you build a web service, etc.
Hope this helps...
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I hadn't really gotten any clear advise until now, so I'll definitely be taking a lot of this to heart, as well as make sure to tackle all the 'need to know' aspects you mentioned. Thank you for taking the time to make such a detailed and insightful responses :)
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I'm in the exact same situation.
I've read all the replies too, you guys gave me some great advices and ideas thank you all.
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I completely agree. I really don't understand why it should be a sensitive topic, we're not judging anyone! I recognize that there are so many people way richer than me everywhere, and that there are billions of people poorer than me, but I'm certainly not here to judge anyone for their education, income or whatever else! You did perfectly not to be ashamed to write everything, it's an act of courage and I really wish the best for your future!! =) I passed too many months or even years without a job and I definitely know what it can feel like!
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I'm effectively disabled(both physically and cognitively) and near bedridden irl due to a long term illness(for ~11 and a half years now) and am reliant on my parents to be my carers in many capacities. (Due to being in a weird limbo where a concrete diagnosis can not be made/identified I don't receive any help in the form of welfare despite my situation, wish I could though it'd make things a lot easier on my family and their situation since they live wage to wage.)
Due to those factors my income is literally $0, the only money I get is as gifts on my birthday and xmas and that usually only amounts between 200 and 300 AUD a year but can occasionally, when things are good, get up to around 400AUD a year(although it's often in the form of giftcards so actual money is still close to nil).(according to a converter 400AUD is currently worth 282.34USD)
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Wishing all the best to you, I can relate with everything. I'm lucky that here in Italy I can get every medicine for free given my permanent mental health issues (mainly major depressive disorder and BPD), so I can treat even my physical illnesses (right arm underwent surgery 3 times, and most of all chronic pelvic pain syndrome) for free. Still of course I'm not living a healthy life, although I'm trying my best.
Thanks a lot for sharing! Really wish the best <3 (and by the way, my chronic pelvic pain syndrome too has officially no certain therapy so I have to try everything that sooths my physical pain!)
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Awesome thread and poll!
Although it's quite difficult for me to answer.. anyways, I'd go from 1000 to 1500 in U.S. dollars (which nowadays basically is similar to our euros xD)..
I hold two academical degrees, but I earn very little with those for many reasons. My main incomes come from other sources, I wanted to change everything in my life after the university and other bad stuff happened (basically health conditions worsened a lot in those years).
So it's ok, I'm certainly not rich but I think that 1000-1500$ correctly describe my current position with my small different jobs :)
I really try to do my best, everywhere I can according to my health conditions and everything else that surrounds me =)
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Beh dai, da 900 a 1300 al mese non è male se non hai una famiglia a carico (e se non vivi in posti dove ti chiedono 500 euro al mese per un buco). Qui non esiste vedere così tanti soldi a meno che non sei statale, dottore o imprenditore.
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ah no assolutamente, concordo su tutto xD
per fortuna ho la casa di proprietà, affitti da gestire e da pagare che al netto di tutto a fine anno arrivo in parità perché ok che le attività che ho e che seguo mi danno molto (anche se ci devo pagare l'affitto) ma dall'altro lato gli immobili che affitto io hanno poi un anno il tetto da rifare, il riscaldamento, la riunione condominiale, le raccomandate dell'amministratore..
non mi lamento per nulla anche se non posso certo poi permettermi chissà cosa.. e purtroppo sono tutto fuorché statale.. ho scelto io di voler fare tutto per i cazzi miei e quindi devo dall'altro lato arrangiarmi con tasse spese e fatture..
infatti l'idea dell'emilia come una svizzera andrebbe un po' ridimensionata, abbiamo tanti che vivono nell'oro con ville macchine aerei privati che partono prima del mio ryanair di merda tipo i vari ad e azionisti di barilla, ferrari, cremonini, lamborghini, maserati o che so io ma in realtà se vai in trentino è già un altro mondo sotto ogni aspetto, qui siamo una sorta di lombardia con più criminalità, meno gente e meno traffico.. non mi lamento per niente ma se riuscissi a andarmene in ticino avendo appena 30 anni non esiterei molto xD
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Hey OP, here https://goo.gl/forms/vTNTPi3vRhuA6sZB3 full, anonymous, stats visible poll. Put it in OP or not, whatever.
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Every situation is different. Some people can have plenty of disposable income on $1000 per month to buy themselves fancy things along with bundles, some people can make a lot more than $3000 per month and still struggle to pay their bills and put food on the table. I'm also willing to bet there are a lot of young people on a site revolved around giving away free video games. Like you said, the country you live in also plays a serious role. Even in countries like the USA though, if you are physically unable to work you still aren't guaranteed to get any assistance at all, let alone enough to have disposable income.
I know it's not what you implied, but I think sentiments like: 'if you've given less than you've received you're a leech, go buy a cheap bundle and give it away' are stupid, even if the 'leech' has the money to do it. My opinion on it doesn't matter much of course, but I give stuff away because altruism puts me in a happier state of mind. The second I'd feel like I was required to give something away for free would be the second I'd walk out the door.
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i only receive disability from American government which is small... but it keeps my head above water with my 3 children and wife.
thankfully tho, before I got disabled, i had worked enough to pay off our house!
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wishing the best for you, and i'm really happy for your last line!
I got my chronic pelvic pain syndrome at 24-25 years old, I'm only 30 but I feel like I could have done tons of other things before.. even if I had mental health issues..
anyways here too the Italian government gives basically nothing to us, and Rome is worse than any other capital not only in Europe.. they can make you wait for years just to "recognize" that you have a physical or mental disability.. and still, they give you barely anything..
i'm happy that you've got a house and you're getting through everything well =)
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Hello Community!
EDIT: Here is a better poll made by user NB264 that differentiates between gross and net income and funds available to buy things.
Many times when I read the forums I am puzzled by some statements. I always raise my eyebrows when someone says "I have no money to buy this bundle this month" or "I am selling cards to have the money to buy games".
The first thought in my head is always: "How is it possible to not have ~5 Dollars to buy a bundle? How? Even with social welfare there is enough money left to save this small amount of money per month."
But then the second thought kicks in: "Oh, wait, we're a global community and I can't convey the standards in my country to other countries. I have to remember that there are a lot of countries where money is scarce, wages are low, inflation is high etc."
So with this second thought I am always able to understand the problems and not judge them or the people in those situations.
Nevertheless, I wonder: How high is your monthly income, fellow SGers? ("The income of a person is therefore the sum of all of his earnings.")
To make it all comparable lets only use USD as a currency.
Cheers.
Edit: I now realize that this poll is not set up correctly and I should be more strict in the description, focusing on disposable income aka "money to spent or to save per month". But I can't change the poll now since there are already votes.
Maybe someone else will create a new thread with better wording to have more precise knowledge of the financial situation of most SGers.
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